The only thing that makes me roll my eyes at the series is the fact that the President is SO goddamn naive.

Yeah, again, call in the help of a woman who has continuously fucked you over in the past by lying to you. Not only that, but each time you see her AFTER she has fucked you over (and how she's NOT in prison is beyond me), she claims she's changed only to turn around and fuck ya a bit more!

I could understand being tricked a second time because everyone a second chance, but come on... three times? If he can't see through deceit of his ex-wife, then how is he fit to make other decisions as president? People who fall for that crap.. it's like, come on, how the hell are you THAT gullible?

Aside from that, the show's damn good. There's really only 4 or 5 good shows on the entire linup of tv/cable these days, and this is definitely one of them.

I definitely agree. The President needs to be removed from office. The past two seasons I have not given a damn about his role. Why Cochran and Surnow think they need to have an entire sub-plot involving the conspiracies of the white house is beyond me. Just have Hayesbert around to take Jack's phone calls periodically.

i'm glad that there are other people who watch this show as much as i do. i completely agree about the bad white house subplot too.

Tonights episode was definetly a sad moment in 24. It seems like they were trying to turn Ryan Chapelle into George Mason of last year. Ryan just didnt have that charm, and though I felt bad for what happened to him, I just didn't connect with his character. It will be interesting to see what folds out with the man who got out of the hotel.

Man, those scenes in the hotel with bleeding/dying people everywhere are gripping. I agree that it was harder to connect with his character but I thought they did a great job with the whole situation. He was a very hardnose kinda guy while doing his job and they managed to bring the human side of him out while it all unfolded.

Great episode in my opinion.

I was watching The Sopranos and realized that Chappelle is Father Phillip Intintola.

:) aah... tuesday. we'll see what happens.

Never have watched this show in any form, but out of sheer curiousity googled to see what this Mia Kirshner girl looked like, very pretty.
http://www.torlian.net/pics/web_foru...a_kirshner.jpg

noticed one of the cast photos and was wondering if that girl in the middle wearing the skirt is the same actress from the great UPN series Seven Days.
http://www.allyourtv.com/images/t/24/cast.jpg

I watched both 24 and Alias this past Sunday back-to-back. On Alias, nobody ever dies and nothing ever changes. It was also odd to see the President's number one security guy (I don't know the actors name) on Alias; he had a bit part.

Awesome episode tonight. Incase anyone has taped it and will watch it later Spoiler: The virus could be spreading at a rapid rate, and it will be tougher and tougher to be contained completly. Kim is again in the field, and there was another close call, but jack taking no chances killed the man fighting with kim. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out anyone else watch tonight? what did u think?

Actually... Spoiler: Jack didn't kill the guy, Kim did. She had her own gun.

I didn't see it that way, Spoiler: she did have her own gun but I don't think she shot it. She was fighting him off and knocked his gun out of his hand, then Jack came around the corner and fired. Maybe I got that wrong though, know I'm not sure.

anyway, it was a great episode. It's going to be interesting to see how fast they act on the whole cheater guy situation. Crazy situation.

yeah Spoiler: Kim definetly had the gun that Jack gave her, but I am almost postitive that Jack was the one that pulled the trigger and shot him. I could be wrong tho...

just watched the part in question on tivo again and Spoiler: Kim did shoot him. He was shot in the gut, and there is no way that Jack could have shot him since Kim was in the way.

What did Kim say at the very end?

Just an FYI: Fox put in another full season order for next year.

24: season 4 will be...

Good question!! I doubt we'll have that answer until 23:58+

It never ceases to amaze me that this show can take such drastic turns and yet appear to be so seemless from one plot point to the next. (With the exception of the moutain lion and kim...that was just uncalled for! lol)

Not sure of the exact words, but it was to the effect that the terrorist leader would know that they now have his daughter.

Thanks nuckingfuts.

That would make sense, but to me it sounded like she said that the terrorist leader doesn't know that they have his daughter. Maybe she was referring to the fact that the guy with the gun never had a chance to call in.

Yes but you are forgetting about the man in the red shirt who was also watching her. He probably called in as soon first chance he got..... assuming he was actually watching her that is.... did we ever find out for sure if the red shirt was watching the daughter as well as the guy that got shot?

This is what I heard, but again I could be wrong.

It's not clear that the guy in the red shirt was watching her also. It seemed like the lead terrorist only had one guy watching his daughter.

Wouldn't it be interesting if the guy in the library who grabbed Kim was really just a pervert trying to rape her (it happens a couple times each season :rolleyes: ). Think about it, he only tells her not to call for help, and he drags her out the back. Just a thought.

Tonights episode is one of those episodes where you wish you were watching it on dvd, because then you could just start watching the next episode, and probably the next, and probably the last final episodes. Spoiler: Tony definetly didn't make the right choice, but with Michelle that close to dieing once, he wasn't going to let it happen again. Who know's if kim and his daughter will get back to ctu, and in general everything is pretty messed up. I mean the virus is in many locations, and it will be hard to contain it. . Two things that I remembered that possibly might come into play is 1 Kate Warner. She was in the very begining episode, but who knows if she was just there to show that Jack might have cheated on her with Marie(?) Salazar, and 2 Chase's daughtor. Both of these two people may be taken hostage etc etc. And another thing that I forgot about is Jack's heroin addiction. At the begining of this day he was dying without getting a fix. Now only like 20 hours later he never even speaks of it, and nobody even cares. Maybe Jack is just such a good agent that he can block it out. Or maybe the writers just forgot about it.

Salazar gave him some magic pill to help with the drug problem.

here's a question: what the hell's up with chloe??

She's an odd odd character.

I really hope the virus gets out SO bad that they can't contain it.

It won't end like that, I'm sure, but I wish it would. It'd be so much better, IMO.

I like rooting for the bad guy.

I wished that nuke would've went off right in the middle of LA in Season 2 instead of in the desert. I think they could've built a much better story around the aftermath.

You KNOW in real life they wouldn't get all these miraculous chances to win like they have been. After a while, it kinda gets unbelievable.. like c'mon, how much luck can you have?

You're tellin me that they snuck in the building, were seen on the monitor, AND walked off JUST IN TIME for the terrorist guy (forgot his name) to turn back to the monitor? Yeah right.

It's a good show, but c'mon, let the bad guy win for once.

Um.. I'm assuming you mean the episode where Chase and 3 other agents strike the building where they believe Saunders is (which was the episode 2 weeks ago or so) and not the one just now where Jack, Chase, and the LAPD are heavily surrounding the building where Saunders actually is.

It wouldn't have mattered that Saunders never saw them on the monitor, cause Chase and the 3 others were at a different building, where a switching node was placed so Saunders could trick them into thinking that's where he was. All those shots with the monitors, etc, were just for dramatic effect.

What...was...Tony...thinking. All his talk about national security and safety, and then he lets the terrorist walk out the door? Oh...man, Jack's gonna be maaaaaaaadd.....But I can see why he did it. He just got his wife back and now he has to watch her be tortured? hmmm....

And on another subject, dontt you think Saunders would have his eventual capture covered and planned for? What I mean is, all he has to do is tell his "sleepers" waiting in the other cities to release the toxin if they do not hear from Saunders every hour on the hour...or something like that. That way, if Saunders gets caught, then he has that to hold over CTU's head.

Tony screwed up bad. I believe that she's screwed either way though. She probably was infected and the whole letter was just to get her into their hands.

Tough situation though, he had the chance to save thousands maybe millions by losing his wife. Gotta be a tough thing to see and make a rational decision.

I can see your point with Saunders having a backup plan, but I how many hours are left anyway? Don't think there's enough time for too many more twists.

Good point. 3 hours? 4 hours left? 2? I'm not sure how many.

.The one thing I've learned from this show is that there's ALWAYS enough time for a plot twist

That is an awesome theory, and It will most likely be true knowing 24. It is almost like a spoiler, but yet it might not happen.

Wait a minute... how can that work? You'd have to anticipate that Saunders and his henchman would be targeting her in order to fake a "you're not infected" letter so that she can be transported away from the hotel. This theory doesn't pan out in my opinion.

My friend pointed this out: What Tony should have said to Saunders (given enough time to rationalize everything) is "anything you do to my wife, we'll do to your daughter"

Good point.

Tony should have been all up on his brain to think of that one a little faster.

I just really hope they explain how Saunders got ahold of his wife that easily. I'm not sure I buy into the fake letter theory. I'd think they were just waiting outside the hotel for some agent to come out and then nab them.

But as I've learned with this show, we never really know what's going on. Geuyel (sp?) being a mole for the mexicans, then turning out to be helping the whole time proved that to me.

Tony's lucky to be thinking at all after getting shot in the neck earlier in the day. Nice how that just healed right up, eh?

you are right, same with chase being shot in the hand ... and a few hours later back on duty ...

but that's just part of the show, don't really care actually ... i'm more into the plot :-)

I really liked 24 before this season started, but this season has really been pathetic. The situations are fucking rediculous. Tony gets shot in the neck, oh I'm fine now. Jack's a H fiend at the start, but has been fine the rest of the day. Chase gets shot in the hand, beaten, and has gas thrown on him, he's fine now of course. Michelle magically is one of the 10% who is immune. They surround the bad guy but wait, there's a few hours left so he has to escape - solution - let's leave this one door unguarded!

The worst was the Pres killing Chapelle and less than one hour later says we won't bow to any more demands!! I bet the ghost of Chapelle appreciates that! What kind of a moron goes from murdering one person to save millions is ok, but allowing terrorists to murder 42 operatives in order to save millions is... just.. too... much...

It's just way too over the top. At least in Alias, there's the underlying 007 superhero thing going on. It makes the asinine plot twists reasonable.

The saddest thing is that I'll still watch season 4 because the networks have such a hard time making good original shows.

They do classify tv as entertainment for a reason. If they wanted to make it realistic it would be boring. I think it is unrealistic at times, but am I complaining. Nope. I just love the show regardless.

Alias... reasonable :D Alias is one of those shows where you know nothing will ever change. The only way any character will be killed is if the actor or actress wants off the show.