Jimbow

Everybody knows now that Chucky is a gay boy but did this help him get where he is today? The agent responsible for his fame is a flaming queen hollyweird insider who somehow managed to get him a movie deal with three stars for a script that definitely didn't fit with conventions. Seems like a lot of strings were pulled to get him some special favors. The obvious conclusion is that he put out the booty to get where he is.

ratbastid

My usual practice when somebody's first post ever looks like this is to google some key phrases and point out the other forums where they're astroturfing the story. I didn't find a damn thing for "chuck palahniuk casting couch", though.

EDIT: Oops. Missed a biggie, on the forum at chuckpalahniuk.net, even!
http://chuckpalahniuk.net/forum/1000...-casting-couch

The_Jazz

Hey, here's a great idea - maybe he actually puts out a good product. His stuff is certainly no worse than what's out today and generally pretty better.

Jimbow, it's impossible for me to give a shit about who someone else sleeps with. I just care about who I do. Even if Chuck's career start is owed to the casting couch, so what? I don't see how it makes any difference at all.

Oh, but wait, you're a troll, so this is obviously The Most Important Thing That's Ever Happened. EVAR!

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FuglyStick

Wait, you can get a movie deal for giving up your ass? Apparently, I've been doing it wrong.

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Baraka_Guru

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Jimbow

I'm not really that interested in Chuck anyway. What I got a problem with is the myth. If you create something that has an audience then the entertainment industry being a free and open market place of ideas will connect you with this audience. If anbody looks closely enough it obviously doesn't work this way. People get what they want through connections and favors. Chuck and his followers act like he's some kind of exception when this is obviously false. Why would some Royal Academy drama fairy who does voice overs for Disney cartoons be interested in white trash nihilism. Maybe because the writer of this white trash nihilism is a secret sister? I've had sex with men, women and animals myself but I guess just not men, women and animals with hollywood connections.

FuglyStick

It sounds like you've been wasting your God-given asshole as well, Jimbow. It's true; you should reserve offering up your brown flower for true love, or at least a lucrative film option on your novel.

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Cynthetiq

do tell.

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Jimbow

Well maybe I need to be a closet queen and then that will get me somewhere. Anyway I'm not lving in some gay capital like Washington DC or Hollywood so that might not be much help in getting into something lucrative like screenwriting or being a republican party lobbyist.

FuglyStick

It may be early, but I'm going to go ahead and call this thread

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Jimbow

Well even though I've had sex with men women and animals I still have a virgin butthole. And of course nobody wants to take what I'm saying seriously. The forces that control America are more worried by nihilism than anything else. Not that anybody will believe in some movement but that they'll come to realise that life itself is meaningless. In order to stave off this nihilism they created the phony fairy nihilist Chucky.

Plan9

What the The Fuck (TM)? Is that you, Honesty?

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ring

Jimbow might find this thread a good read:

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/tilted-...n-concept.html

LordEden

Oh god can we NOT bump that thread. Some things are best left buried.

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Plan9

Funny considering your current signature, Eden.

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Punk.of.Ages

Damn...

I read "Chuck Palahniuk" and thought, "Hey, that's a thread that might be relevant to my interests."

Boy, was I fucking wrong.

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Jimbow

I've been blocked from the Chuck Palahniuk forum. I must have been too close to the truth. Are Chucky and his cult just another covert op perpetrated by the corporate media conspiracy just like Dave Eggers and 826 Valencia?

ring

Jimbow, I read your responses on that other place Mr. Bastid found.

Yikes. Experiencing Incarceration is something I don't know about.
I might have tried to bite off the face of my attacker, too.

Hard tellin' not knowin.'

PZ.

Try reading some other stuff here at TFP you may find it worth your while.

Baraka_Guru

It's a waste of time to take pop culture and the industries that produce it so seriously.

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ring

The industries that produce this anemic fare:
Are clever bloodless predators.

Kinda like video games?

Jimbow

I don't think so. Pretty much tells people what to believe. Of course I know it's all a lie but then I've been behind the curtain and seen the machinary that makes the show go on.

ring

I don't think so either. Look at what passes for news broadcasts in the U.S.A.

It has many addicted to the 'doom & gloom'--- 'they're comin' to get you'. The fear inducing adrenaline rush, is a bankable commodity, and its legal & cheap to produce.
Even our so called 'nature programing' is full of apocalyptic what if scenarios.

snowy

I want to note that Fight Club won the Oregon Book Award even before serious development on the film began.

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Wes Mantooth

I don't know if its a waste of time to take the pop culture industry so seriously. Sure its an extraordinary waste of time to obsess about how the latest pop culture icon got to the top, what they ate for breakfast or who they're fucking but I don't think its a waste of time to recognize or even be concerned about the impact it has on our society. We, here in the states at least, are so passive about it, we let the pop culture machine practically define entire generations but couldn't care less about how they go about doing it. I do think over time vapid reality shows, shallow music, silly fads, movies with insulting, childish plots (and lots of explosions), magazine racks full of publications about dumb celebrities, millions of websites full of the same and badly written dime store novels have a huge impact on who we are as a people. Maybe if we as a society took it more seriously and tried not to indulge ourselves in every piece of garbage that comes down the chute the industry might be compelled to put out stuff with more substance.

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ratbastid

And so you brought your road show here. We're... honored?

The_Jazz

Two things: I'm people and Hollywood's never successfully told me what to believe. Except that Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms, yo.

The other: I sincerely doubt that you have any idea of where the curtain actually is, let alone that you've approached it. And I'll go on record as saying that you'll never convince me that you've been behind it since your whole point up to this particular point is that you're an outsider.

Finally, if you do peruse other parts of TFP, you'll find that we don't suffer trolls for very long and that I'm generally one of the ones that ushers them to the door.

Or are you going to tell us that you bought a 5-pack of condoms but one is missing now?

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ring

Hey Jazz, it seems you have him all figured out and pegged.
What's the harm in giving him a chance?



My first 'what the fuck' moment happened while watching
'I dream of Jeannie', in 1967. I was eight years old hadn't learned the fuck word yet.

"Mom, this show is dumb." I proclaimed.

My parents had a 'what the fuck is this crap?' look on their faces, too.

Cheesy fun pulp fiction was a racy taboo sweet-treat, decades before this.
It paved the way for toppling the puritanical barriers of repressed sexuality.

My Mother was savvy. She would point out the shows that continued to portray
women as ditzy subjects who were happy, grateful & content
to be under the patriarchal thumb.

'All in the Family' --- We watched every episode family style.
Same with the Honeymooners. (Saturday was Walker's chicken night, Dad would go get the chicken, in time before the Honeymooners would start.

Why aren't these classics being broadcast anymore?

What television programs do you recall that would satisfy your definition of 'Substance'?

Baraka_Guru

Palahniuk's work doesn't tell you what to believe; it asks you to question what you believe based on societal conventions.

Fight Club in particular is a sardonic exploration of hypermasculinity (which, in a sense, makes your gay comments rather ironic), feminism, commercialism/consumerism, self-actualization, existentialism, and class struggles.

The book works to break down the norms of social order in terms of gender roles, class roles, and the problem of personal worth in a materialistic society. If anything, it works to undo if not dismantle and destroy what you would call "a lie" and "the machinery behind the curtain."

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ring

If I'm understanding you correctly, this isn't about Chuck at all.
& you are thoroughly disenchanted by the machinations behind the scenes
of the hollywood creative process?

Jimbow

I've got a problem with them trying to present things as alternative and underground and whatever which are actually just projects planned and approved by the powers that be. They actually marketed Sofia Coppola as an independent film maker. How can she be independent, her father owns a film studio. Anyway, Marie Antoinette deserved to get her head cut off. Behind the curtain is where the ugliness begins. The machinary is the horror that's there waiting to happen to you if you step out of line. Skid row, prisons, mental institutions, here the leper outcasts that terrify the cubical slaves into huddling in their suburban shelters are created.

Baraka_Guru

Okay, so this is about Hollywood.

Fight Club starred three A-listers. Its director was already known for his popular thrillers. It wasn't presented as alternative/underground.

You could have used a better example.

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Jimbow

Well that's pretty much my point. Chucky owes his fame and fortune to the fact that the media conglomerates decided to make a product based on his work but for some reason he keeps on presenting himself as an undergrounder.

The_Jazz

And John McCain keeps running for Senate as an "outsider".

Ring, my problem is that I don't like people using TFP as their platform for libel. Which is what Post #1 is, no matter how you cut it. It wasn't until today that we got the big "sarcasm" reveal, and still there's this giant axe being ground against TFP about Chuck. Don't get me wrong, I don't give a shit about him as an author, but I do give a shit about TFP and whether or not we get introduced as evidence down the road.

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ring

I didn't take the 'libel' part into consideration. I apologize.

Thanks for the wake-up insight.

Cynthetiq

undergrounder???? LOL that's funny because to those that keep it real, he's now just a sell out.

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Baraka_Guru

His mode of writing went out of fashion in the '90s.

I think this thread is 10 years too late.

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ring

Have we salvaged a discussion with this thread?

I recall being a fresh-face amongst the late seventies & early eighties punk scene.
The worst epithet imaginable was to be called a sell-out.

Peoples liked what they heard & it became popular. Keeping it real does not mean
keeping it underground forever.

The only punks I know about these days that are still keeping it 'real'
are stuck in their same sophomoric rage....fatter ,older & stuck in time.

& I don't know if the libel thing is a big concern or not:
http://www.splc.org/legalresearch.asp?id=27

Jimbow

I'd sell out if I could. It's not like I've got any principles or anything. It's just anything I have to say would offend too many people. Being an outsider isn't always a fashion statement sometimes you're stuck in the underground and can't get out.

Baraka_Guru

This whole talk about "the underground" is so archaic.

The underground collapsed years ago. It's now hit the mainstream.

There is no underground.

"Sellout" is now what unsuccessful people call successful people.

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The_Jazz

Don't slander someone or talk about sex with animals or little kids and you'll find me difficult to offend. That goes for most of the folks around here.

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