fresnelly

I loved that they took their time telling the story. I feel that they gave it it's proper due.

Also, I'm glad Richard is back on the "good" side.

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ratbastid

It was a beautiful episode. The scene with Richard and Isabella and Translator Hugo was SO nice.

Troublebot

Did not like that Keamy said, "Some people just aren't meant to be together." Don't think it bodes well for the Kwans.

Nope. Don't like that at all.

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FoolThemAll

But Jack also remarked that he guessed no one told the tomato it was supposed to die - right after sideways-Sun got shot. I think they're leaving this one up in the air - whether or not supposed destiny is defied.

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fresnelly

Why didn't anyone tell me that fainting at the handshake was a sure-fire way to pick up chicks?

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Zeraph

That was a really good episode. I had forgotten about the time jumping rules. And I'm pretty sure even though most of them met and talked in the alternate time line none of them ever touched (while conscious/alive unlike when Jack touched Charlie when he was unconscious, lol that sounds dirty.)

Grancey

Where have you been? This is #3 on the chick's list.

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GREAT episode.

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ratbastid

See. You. In. Another. Life. Brother.

Ho-ly crap.

Lasereth

They can put Desmond in any episode and it automatically gets better. He's such a great actor and his character is part of the reason the show is so great. His relationship with Penny just pops out of the screen. Their "first" meeting in the stadium was just beautiful.

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Reese

John and Jack shook hands, Sun and Jin DEFINITELY touched. I'm pretty sure it was island Desmond getting revived after the EMP knocked him out that pulled him out of alternate Desmond's mind and back into his own which caused alternate Desmond to faint.

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Redjake

I don't want this show to end. It's starting to reach "Season 2" status with the quality of story telling and acting. I fucking love this shit, brotha.

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Frosstbyte

Yeah. This season is really going to make us sad that the show's ending, because they've done so much to make it great.

I honestly think that everyone else could end up dead, but so long as Desmond and Penny end up together, I don't care. They have such wonderful chemistry. It's very hard trying to think of Whidmore as one of the..."good guys" this season, after I'd really pegged him as being the big bad of the show.

I'm not sure how I'll handle a Hurley episode after all the portents of the Desmond episode, but I suppose short changing Hurley wouldn't be fair to anyone. And, indeed, he may save them all (he's certainly my top bet for replacing Jacob), so I guess I shouldn't be too upset.

fresnelly

Tonight on Lost:

BOOM!!

Holy shit!

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Zeraph

hah, couldn't have put it better myself.

But seriously they better give a reason why Hurley wanted to talk to 'Locke.' It reeks too much of plot railroading.

That mysterious boy is growing up and starting to look like Jacob more...but if that's him why did he need candidates...huh, this is totally left field but what if its the man in black (aka 'Locke') as a kid? Before he turned evil. Triggered somehow by MIB taking a permanent body. Maybe if the kid catches up to him in age he fails somehow.

Oh, and wtf do you think Desmond ran over Locke for? To get him to remember, or to kill him so MIB can't escape somehow? I'm starting to think the way MIB is trying to escape is by 1. picking a body, then 2. merging with the alternate timeline into said body and freedom.

ObieX

I was thinking something similar, but then he didn't finish the job, he just drove off. Desmond's mission seems to be to get everyone to remember. I think it may be a way to get Linus Locke and Jack together in the alternate reality. Linus will accompany Locke to the hospital where Jack will be.

Those 3 seem to have a hard time remembering the island, maybe they need the extra contact of all of them together to get it to work. Each of them have come into contact with many of the others already (not counting the plane) and they still don't seem to remember. Maybe everyone has their own special combination. Linus Locke and Jack seem to make sense as one of those. Or simply the near-death experience alone may make Locke remember, as it seemed to do with many of the others who remember. I have a feeling that Locke will miraculously be able to walk after this.

I'm not sure yet if MIB knows about the alternate reality. My thinking is that the alternate reality is part of Jacob's plan to thwart the MIB.

It seemed like Libby wasn't one of the trapped ghosts on the island. That is a pretty important point, i think. Why? I dunno yet i gotta ponder a bit more. She sure didn't hurt anyone from what i can remember.

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Zeraph

Interesting thought. I wonder if Michael is alive in the alternate reality? Since his ghost is stuck there.

I'd disagree with Jacob having that plan to blow up the island. I don't recall Jacob ever nudging them in that direction. Plus, I'm pretty sure MIB would know about it. That's something he'd sense I think, considering that island is like a magic prison for him.

Not too sure though...

fresnelly

I'm beginning to think that the sideverse is more like a mass delusion than a true alternate timeline or reality. In the end, surely the main characters will have to choose between the two, no?

Did you notice that Desmond is now acting like Jacob in the sideways world? He's going about "touching" people and manipulating them just as Jacob did originally.

And by touching I mean running over them with his car.

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Zeraph

I dunno, I think the two universes/timelines are real. I think in the end they will merge into one new one. With most of the dead characters getting their life back. Either that or it will be a tough choice between two evils, and they'll pick one that resets everything back to the very beginning of Lost, and they'll end the show with them trying it again to get it right. Ya know, one last FUCK YOU to our sanity from the writers.

Jove

Agree with what everyone has said thus far. However, if someone was handling unstable dynamite, they should be more careful with what they put in the bag. And throwing it on the ground will most likely end in said person being killed, which is what happened to Illana. Not a very bright individual is she?

Did someone mention that Desmond #2's mind is now in Desmond #1? Is that why he is acting so calm after the time travel experiment?

Frosstbyte

Another dynamite episode. This show is getting really out of control here. I have lost any ability to figure out what's going on or why, so I'm just along for the ride. I'm sure there are people deep analyzing every bit of this last season. I think I'm happier taking things as they come. This was a pretty fucking intense piece of work, though.

fresnelly

Yeah, I'm with you and have pretty much given up speculating.

Man, I hope all these deaths are justified.

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Lasereth

Sayid's death was stupid. Sun and Jin's deaths were emotional and had an impact but Sayid's was just....blank. Why did they spend an entire season making him weird and dark and foreboding and ANNOYING to just end with a quick death. They should have left Sayid awesome this season and it would have made his death have an emotional impact.

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fresnelly

He still has to die in the sideverse.

EDIT: Oh wait, maybe he doesn't. I'm going to be sad when this is all over.

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ObieX

They sure are killin off a lot of people as we come into the home stretch. I can't wait to see who explodes next.

Don't forget, he was already dead!

One of the guys at work suggested re-watching the series with Locke as the smoke monster pretty much from the start (from when he first encountered it.) They never do explain how he gets away the first time, they just show him walking out of the jungle. Adds an interesting twist to re-watching.


I think Walt is gonna come and save the day with his bad-ass backgammon superpowers!

WAAAAAALLLTTTT!!!!!!!!!

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Zeraph

I liked Sayid's death. If every death is a big deal then it becomes easy to predict, and unrealistic. Every story needs a few random, senseless, and sudden deaths (after all, that's how real life is) or it becomes too soap opera-ish.

The Qwon's ending was sad and beautiful.

The bit about Locke is interesting. But remember the smoke monster has left many people alive that have seen it. Plus, ya know, there was RealLocke's body. That would have been good though, they should have done that (probably...as that would have changed the story quite a bit I think.)

Frosstbyte

Also...Smoky can't leave the island and Locke was definitely off the island. The Qwon's end was very sad and beautiful. That was nicely put. I dare say we've not seen the last of those two, or at least I sincerely hope we haven't.

With all the deaths in this episode and the parallel worlds going on, is anyone else getting a whiff of the Dark Tower? Maybe the people whose end is bad on the island will find a second chance in sideworld and those who make it out ok in realworld will be able to stay there. I'm not sure I explained that very well, but in my head it sounds good.

ratbastid

What was scary about Sayid ever since his resurrection WAS his blankness. A couple episodes ago he had some scene with Flocke or somebody, and I turned to the girls and yelled, "How is he doing that??" It's the creepy emptiness he's had that's been scary about him. I actually wasn't all that impressed by Naveen Anderson's acting until this season--to be able to just turn off all affect like that really takes talent.

My problem with his death is that it was a sacrifice in the name of saving the last candidate, which shows a bit of humanity that I really didn't want him to be capable of at this point.

The Qwons are still alive in the alt-timeline. Which I suspect will be left as the real timeline, and the island and everything and everyone on it will be the side branch of time. So they're fine. I think we need to be prepared for more candidate deaths--the one left alive on the island becomes NewJacob. That's my working theory anyway.

Jove

Yeah, I was impressed with his ability to be void of all emotion. That is how I expected Sayid to act if he never met Nadia.

Since it is the final season, I expect every single character to die either in the side verse or on/around/under the island.

What I don't understand is why everyone trust and follows MIB/John Locke/Smokey to a certain destination without questioning all of his motives? If I were in that situation, hopefully I would be bold enough to question him up front, but after I get an agreement from him that he won't kill me after my questions or comments.

rahl

The more main charectors that die the more certain I am that their live counterparts in sideworld are actually going to come to the island. So they can kill whoever they want, in the end they will all be back from the other world in order to stop smokey from leaving.

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Reese

Did Frank Lapidus die in the sub? I was really starting to like him.

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Lasereth

Yeah I think it's safe to presume he's dead. I liked his character too.

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Reese

Well that answers 1 question from Season 1..

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warrrreagl

After LOST, Grancey and I switch to The Good Wife, and Jacob's unnamed brother (The Man In Black) has been resurrected as DA Childs. He's allowed to explore his creepy side even more fully on CBS.

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Lasereth

Cool episode last night. I wish there was more of the man in black in Lost. His actor is FTW.

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Zeraph

Aww man, I thought we'd get to finally know his name. Now I wonder if he even has one?

The line between who is good and who is bad/evil is a little blurrier now too... Sure MiB killed his fake mother, but she kind of had it coming, and it was a heat of the moment thing after she slaughtered his people (how did she kill them all so easily I wonder..) And then Jacob did something worse than death to MiB.

Now that we've seen Jacob as a kid I'm starting to think the theory about him being that blond kid that freaks out MiB/Locke in the current-verse is right. So in other words Jacob does revive/regrow. OR maybe it was still his spirit and he looked like that because that's how they knew each other best (when they were kids.) Yeah, I think the latter is more likely. So that explains that kid.

I wonder what they drunk, fakemom and Jacob, that makes them special? She poured it from a fairly normal looking bottle. Perhaps it was her blood, and that's the way the pass down the protectorship and there's a bottle of Jacob's blood somewhere. I was expecting them to do something with that light...

Speaking of the glowy place, what do you guys think it is? It sounds like what Jacob told Richard about the island was wrong, and that it has nothing to do with Hell/evil per se, it was just how he explained it to Richard because of his belief system. It seems like it has something to do with the creation of life, and that putting it out would destroy all of humanity. Which would fit what Jacob said to Richard, just in a different paradigm since MiB apparently has to destroy it to "leave."

Now I'm starting to wonder if by leave, he means die...that all he's wanted is the release of death...I'm pretty sure his fakemom said "thank you" when he killed her, probably because she was tired of living. This also fits his plan better, now that we know he was just trying to get the candidates to destroy themselves. Since he could have turned that wheel anytime he wanted to, which means he must know that he can't actually leave the island. So his real motivation must be to destroy humanity and himself along with it, so that he may finally rest.

Leto

What was that? He floated him down the creek into the glowy place, but all that happened was that black smoke blasted out. Did MiB become the smoke, and then transmogrify back into MiB's body outside the glowy place to fall into the trees?

so going into the glowy place was worse than death? I think I would like to be able to transform into all-powerful smoke at will...

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fresnelly

Wasn't that the same bottle that MiB smashed a few episodes ago?

I don't think we'll get a clear answer for what the light is. I think it's a MacGuffin like the Briefcase in Pulp Fiction so any definitive answer, be it scientific or fantastical, would ultimately be disappointing. That it's the "heart" of the Island is enough for me.

I like what you're saying about MiB wanting death, especially since his his mother told the boys that going inside the cave was worse than death.

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Zeraph

That's what MiB's fakemom said. I think it turned his soul into black smoke, his body remained untouched and came back out the creek. Think of it like being eternally dead and bound to one location as a ghost. That sounds like suck to me.

Maybe, but all old bottles are similar, so maybe not.

fresnelly

Jacob and MiB's black rock/white rock game gets serious:

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