ooooo where did you get that info? Awesome!

Survivor has a more active spoiler and speculation community than any other reality show. There is already not only a cast list but a confirmed boot order list posted for Season 20 on several prominent spoiler sites! I don't know anything else spoilery about this season, though, other than obvious stuff like who the next few boots probably are:

For now, Spoiler: Mr rocket scientist john is designated as the next boot.

There is some speculation as to how the heck we are going to drop the numbers we need to drop by the Finale on the 20th. There are only 3 more episodes before the Finale, and we have to drop 4 people to get down to a final 5, unless they are going to try a Final 6 going into the last episode, and then do 3 challenges and tribal councils to get down to Final 3.

My speculation about Natalie is just that, speculation based on their edits, but I do think she has a shot at winning.

Yeah....its been awhile since I visited any of the community sites....Im doing it now though!!

The thing I hate though, I think if the "most popular" person actually wins, the money should go to the 2nd most popular

Dang...Shambo is gonna be PISSED!!!

Yeah Russell may have just screwed himself over. I understand his decision, and I definitely think that John caught him totally off guard and basically forced him into admitted he had the idol, but not telling Shambo what was going on was a baaad move.

I need shambo to leave. She bugs me. Glad to see the expression on her face at the vote.

They just need to cut ties with Shambo soon. Foa Foa needs to be sure that no Galu make it to the finals (Shambo excluded).

It was risky, but Russell needed to reassert control. It sends a message to Shambo that she is NOT in charge. I think her "swing vote" power was going to her head

Well he could still have asserted his power and told her about it. But blindsiding him without saying anything to her may cause trust issues. Russell says his best alliance is Natalie but I'm not so sure. Shambo goes with him most of the time.

Shambo has dodged a full clip this series (1st episode, the two men getting injured resulting in no tribal council meetings, the merging of tribes just in the nick of time; everyone temporarily forgot about Shambo playing Chicken Whisperer; riding Russell's votes against her enemies, etc.) Otherwise, she's clueless.

Natalie would easily win final against Russell because most of her former tribe is sitting on the jury, as of now. Some of his tribe members will be joining soon, but Russell will have to be part of voting them out- and that won't be pretty- so he stands to lose some of those potential votes, too.

He's made this series watchable and enjoyable.:thumbsup:

I've said it before, I'll say it again.....one of the best seasons ever

Natalie and Russell were both Foa Foa, are you thinking of Monica?

Speaking of, I like how they managed to make a fairly tense action-packed drama-filled episode, the results of which were kicking off Dave and Monica exactly like I thought they were going to do when it was obvious Foa Foa had the numbers. Whole lot of drama for nothing...oh well, it was exciting, and I'm glad they didn't string it out over two episodes, this no-brainer was the perfect two-fer.

^ D'oh. Right you are.

Good god how is Russell still in the game.

If they don't get rid of Brett he'll win the whole thing after doing nothing the entire season. They need to win immunity next time or Foa Foa is done for.

Yes, Brett has this in the bag if they don't get rid of him immediately.

I agree, it'd suck to have the pretty boy win at the last minute.

That said, damn, I was kinda getting used to Shamwow and her mop.
Oh well, now the race is heated, and we'll see what Russell's really made of.

Btw, he had brass ones in not playing the idol last night.

wow they are fucked..........Brett just won 1st immunity in finale.

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hahahahahahaha holy shit. Russell won the second immunity. Bye bye Brett.

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Russell's opening statement was the best. I really hope they don't give the money to the other two. He is simply the best player there, hands down. "may the best man win" = truth.

Russell deserves this 100%.

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Natalie won. I'm literally not watching this show anymore. This show is stupid. This is my first season of Survivor and is now my last.

Any show where the best person in the entire game loses doesn't capture my viewing.

Yeah that was pretty stupid.

I think that what happens in the game and what they show on TV is two different things though. They show Russell being a power player, and he was, but I also think they edited the show to make viewers believe that the other players respected him, when they didn't. He never had a chance at winning because he screwed over everybody in the game basically and didn't hide it. Russell was pretty much the only player that made the show interesting this season and they capitalized on it, making him seem like an unstoppable force when in reality the other players never thought anything of him as they were voted off. It kills me to see Erik cheering whenever Russell fucked over people, but when it comes down to the vote, he didn't vote for him.

He still deserved the win 100% though. At least Jeff even said that he should have won ha ha ha ha ha. Natalie winning is as bad as Parvati winning.

:thumbsdown: Robbery, pure and simple.

I wish there was something that could be done about the jury system on the show because this one sucked as much as the series would have without Russell.

I'm actually not that upset about him losing because at least he made it to the end with his strategy. Some seasons, none of the people who made it to the end did anything in the whole damn show. It's really awesome that the Foa Foa 4 did what they did. Also I would have raged way harder if Brett made it to the end because he would have won.

That's just how the game goes. You can't worry about the final outcome, just how they got there. Yes it was a huge dose of bitter jury syndrome but winning the jury is the ultimate goal. Galu was the biggest bunch of chumps out there, how can you really expect those babies to vote for the guy that exposed their stupidity?

I'm glad Russell was awarded the $100,000 popular vote, but he really screwed himself at the end out of the million. He was bragging too much.

'Course, that's Russell, no holds-barred.

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Anybody know when the Villains -vs- Heroes is? I missed the date.

February 11th. Hopefully Russell does better in that Season. He got robbed this time :(

I think that Russell, using his Russell-like ways, found out beforehand who the winner was, because he seemed pissed off even before they announced the winner, and he didn't seem the least bit surprised.

Also, did anybody else think that Erik seemed like he was totally drunk on the final tribal council?

Oh yeah he definitely knew.

Good god the internet is a raging hate machine today over Russell losing. CBS will have to do something to calm the tide (like when they gave Rupert $1,000,000 just because people loved him). I don't know what they can do but man people are seriously raging.

I have nothing to back this up, but I think Russell was doubly pissed because he probably didn't last long in Villains vs. Heroes. He looked to be in bad shape at the finale, most likely because he just got back from the V vs. H taping. Like Amanda, he had to play the 2nd season before finding out if he won the first one. Unlike Amanda, I don't think he made it to the end both times.

Again, pure speculation. Can't wait to see it unfold next month.

I had the exact same speculation upon watching the finale. I'm betting that Russel in a group of like-minded connivers will not last very long at all.

I'm going to take a different interpretation. If he was in bad shape, he probably went the distance in VvsH, or he'd be all relaxed from chilling in Ponderosa, if he even made it THAT far.

Also, I think he's bent out of shape, because he thought his technique would win season 19, and therefore he probably played season 20 the same way. Noone on Season 20 knows what a player he is, whereas he could theoretically have watched all of their seasons, and know their 'tricks'. I bet he makes it to the top 3 in season 20 also, and is mostly pissed because he is just now finding out that his 'fuck everyone, they'll vote for me out of respect for my gameplay' strategy is not a winning one, after two iterations of it.

that too is a good theory (kind of like how Amanda's "mastermind the moves but take none of the credit" theory blew up in her face twice)