oldtimer

Need to vent here. T3 was unmoving. I felt no emotion. I felt no connection. Was I wrong for going to the movie with high expectations? To be as good as the second, or even the first? Yes, I feel guilty because I should have known nothing good could have come out of the CRAP that movie studio's produced from 2000 on. The one thing to push me over the edge was the absence of the Terminator 2's score. It was <b>NOT</b> present in any of the film. Not even the credits! Not to mention the cheezy special effects but that was to be expected anyway. Too much BOOM and BANG. It didn't make you think. There was just too much action to really follow along. They didn't stay consistent with the previous two films in some ways. Why change the Terminator's view mode (from red coloration to full color) he wasn't upgraded at all (this is a small nickpick still). The addition of the TX and the change in sex, wasn't at all bad. It didn't take away from the movie. I will highlight the good points of the film later on (edit) but truly this movie was a letdown for me and any of James Cameron's fans, as he, sadly, did not make this movie. To make things even worse, they plan to do a fourth, which in my mind, will completely destroy the Terminator series. GOD DAMNIT, WHY?!!! *fist hits wall*

*WARNING* Thread may contain SPOILERS.

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YourNeverThere

Man, i can agree that the was no plot. James Cameron is amazing and the moive missed him. But come on... He Smashed Everything. The action was great, Edward was great, stupid five year old catch phrase's were great. After seeing that happens to a good action flick when it gets a plot (Hulk) i was looking for something else. This movie was great and i highly think everyone should see it.

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Stare At The Sun

I think you're all alone on this one. Not every movie has to have a huge in depth plot, we know most of the plot from t1 and t2. You're the only person i've heard say they didnt like it. Seriously, sometimes, i think people cant even accept a good movie, someones always got to bitch about it. Honestly, you can downplay any movie. It had a lot of action, kept with the series, and was very well done. Most people think this way, and perhaps you should realize that not all movies like i said, have to have this crazy in depth plot, the plot, was very straightforward. It all fit well. I firmly stand by this movie, and hope to god there is a fourth one. However, i hope its in the future, where they just fight the machines, and finally defeat them. That would be so sweet.... Just my humble opinion. Feel free to tear into me now.

messy

I haven't seen it, but how could a Terminator flick be bad?

I mean, you should already know the plot before even going into the theater like UnlikedOne said. Arnold has to destroy the other terminator, right?

That's what I expect to happen, and when I see it... ANY little plot twist should make the movie even better.

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Cynthetiq

The summer movies are always about escapism.... it's historically been that way for at least two decades. Matrix was the first action francihise to really push the intellectual side, but since it's roots are in japanese anime, it's really not that far fetched, and it wasn't a summer movie.

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n1ck31

I loved it, especially the end. I wasn't bored for a minute, entertained constantly. It actually exceeded my expectations- and delivered the end that I honestly didn't think it would. I'm actually looking forward to the next one.

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I'm not sure if it was Judgementday or just seeing a cold war fallout shelter during nuclear armageddon(me being a big post-apocalyptic movie junkie) that left me with a 'wow' feeling.) Its probably the latter..

kod

Sadly enough, the plot was the best thing about it. The effects weren't any better than T2, the action was uninteresting, the female terminator was not threatening, and the humor was goofy and self-parodying instead of witty. I would have really hated it had my expectations not been so low to begin with.

diergray

I really enjoyed it. I can't remember the last movie that was none stop action from beginning to end.

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oldtimer

*SPOILER*
Trust me it can. And didn't Arnold have to destroy the other Terminator in T2? Still combining action and fear effectively?

The whole movie was just one unfinished chase scene. It couldn't do it for me. I don't know if that "boom and bang" is appealing to people maybe the ones who don't have taste. Who most definently said, "This is was a great movie because it is a Terminator movie!" I mean I could sense the fakeness all around me in many scenes but not to say I didn't enjoy Arnold's intelligence when he dropped the crane underground for that nice smash or the "Talk to the hand!" line at the gas station. But regardless, they seemed to want to mimc T2 so badly. Bringing in that god forsaken psychiatrist from the psych ward. Who cares about him? Why the hell was he brought along with the police to the cemetary? Does he think he can stop the Terminator? That was annoying. Even though they didn't use the theme!! Your not a true fan of any Terminator movie if you didn't miss the theme. It's just what makes it heroic; to keep fighting, to survive. Well, listen to the theme and get your own ideas. Then they had to make the TX not-effiecient, come on, with every upgrade there is more intelligence, so why does she waste 5 shots on the little kid opening the door? Ooooh, big threat!

To quote someone earlier, someone always has to bitch or something to that effect, I'm not bitching I'm just saying what everyone else is afraid to say, That this movie was too much action and not enough emotion. No fear. Didn't feel scared for a second nor shocked unless someone can point out a scene that scared them. T2's knife through the milk carton was gory enough for me to give you an idea. Didn't see that creativity here. But again did like the ending, with jamming the fuel cell down the TX's throat and the earlier LA smash fest but just at the end when the crane truck filps over. Maybe it didn't have to make you think, though that would have been a plus, but it sure as hell didn't make you feel.

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Cynthetiq

The psychologist was is both previous movies. It was a good tie in IMO that this guy has retired 10 years later, he's finally come to grips with the T2 incident and the previous time of talking to Sarah Connor on the impossiblity of the police station skirmish.

As far as a unfinished chase, yes it was like coitus interuptus, and I think that was it's hook. They came to the realization that there was no Skynet to destroy. There were no supercomputers to find, it was over in the very beginning of the movie when Gen. Robert Brewster activated Skynet.

As far as not having the music, I'm not sure if it was a loss to all the bidding that went onto acuire the franchise. I did not miss it.

Shooting the boy 5 times... ferocity. The terminators have always been feroicious and over the top since the beginning of the first movie.

As far as the digital special effects, they were the cleanest and most incredible I've seen. T2 was the first to bring all those element together. It was going to bve near impossible to top, especially since the technology hasn't made such a great leap sine. The Arnold heads were not digital, even when you can see the jawline of the base robot. It was all real and not digital.

Issues that I did have with the movie:

I wanted more machines to rise ala maximum overdrive, especially after seeing the cop car and fire engines being controled.

the T-1, explain that it was the first teriminator. I only learned this from watching HBO first look. Also note, they were FULLY robotic not just animatronic. That is a neat thing.

The TX should not have had that emotional face of OH SHIT!!! when he pulled out the energy device... robots have no emotion.

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Stare At The Sun

actually, yes, they should show emotion, its a good way for them to infiltrate human bases, etc. Just as arnold showed emotion of sorts, this tx would be no different. Granted, it might have been excessive, but really he could have just held it,(the fuel cell) or opened up her mouth and stuck it in(hehe).

oldtimer

The psychologist was not necessary he barely said two sentences and was outta there. He was just brought in for a laugh nothing more. If anything he hindered the movie by appearing in it. And, the TX's emotion before she blew up, yes I noticed and hated that. But that is the exact same thing as being "ferocious". Terminators can not be "ferocious" they weren't even designed to be. They were made to be efficient killing machines, no emotions (can mimic them). And, if their actions appear to be "ferocious" in doing so then that can only be defined by the person watching.

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oldtimer

I'm going to take back the "Monstrosity" crack I made about T3 in the title. I didn't <i>hate</i> this movie and that is too harsh a judgement. But there were definently some bad elements that made me feel this way. Though, I must say T3 is a "must-see". I liked it but hated a lot of it. You'll have to decide for yourself. Don't get me wrong that was a pretty short movie to begin with.

And, as James Cameron said it best, who was asked, "Why didn’t you want to do Terminator 3?"

"Basically because I had told the story. To make Terminator 3 was to make a 3. Was to just do a film for the sake of the commerce. Quite honestly, with all the other above the line players, it wasn’t that attractive a deal. I’m being totally honest here. I could make a lot more money off of any other film that I made. Now, if I had a story that I felt passionate about telling, I wouldn’t have considered that. But I didn’t. I would have been doing it for the sake of doing the third Terminator. The only compelling reason for me to have done that film was a sense of pride of authorship. “Well, dammit, I did the first one and I did the second one and it’s my creation and I should do the third one.” But ultimately, that’s a stupid reason to spend a year, year and a half of your life in hell to make a big movie. I’d rather spend a year of my life in hell to make something new, which is what I will be doing."

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THE MAC GOD

You never know how AI will act... expecially when it acts on its own.


I agree.. I missed the theme music... but it WAS in the credits (barely).

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We went into the movie with fairly low expectations, but we actually liked it. It was good to see they ended the movie the way they did. Even my gf, who isn't really into action blow em up movies, liked it quite a bit.

m0rpheus

I just saw the movie. Honestly I was expecting total shit. Was T3 as good as the first two? No, it was lacking in comparison.
That said however I was quite entertained by it. It was far better than most sequels, my GF dragged me to Charlies Angels 2 the night before. Now that was a monstrosity.

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rodimus

Anyone seen T3 yet. What are your thoughts on the movie?

Gambit

I was very excited after leaving the film, as my mind was wrapping itself around the wholel mythos of the three films. That, and the fact that I LOVE how they ended the film. They NEVER end fiilms like that anymore, where evreything the heroes were working towards the entire film was for naught, and we all end up getting fucked.

Seriously, it takes a lot to surprise me in a movie these days, especially in a "summer blockbuster sequel", and they managed to do just that by actually going through with judgement day. Kudos!

Konichiwaneko

I liked the movie. Claire Danes is cute. The TX was hott, and John conner was as whiney as luke skywalker.

The only problem with it is the quickness of it. (Quick as in pace, not as in lenght)

Also I know it was probably an ad spot, but there was no drama in knowing that Sarah died by lukemia.

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nate_dawg

I thought it was pretty good, but I went in with low expectations.
it was really cool how this one kinda ties everything together and fills you in on the whole skynet situation.........and yeah the ending ruled, definitely cool seeing the nukes all heading for destruction all at once.........

Cynthetiq

woah.... you completely missed all the posts above yours.

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-Ever-

To any solid James Cameron fan: T3 is nowhere, I repeat nowhere, near as good as T2.

With that said....does this justify labeling it a bad movie? Hell no. The action was great, the acting was poor, and it got me excited; just like any other action movie out these days!
T3 was definitly just T2's story and direction methods all re-done, as if the director just felt it was up to him to re-do the movie instead of adding more smart, intelligent storyline.
I dunno, I could go on for a long time about it. I just have to say that T3 is nothing like T2 or T1 in that it is now using different, more modern ways of exciting a crowd that is growing stupider and stupider (one solid proof of this lies in that many of you have accepted this as a true addition to the Terminator series..... ) And come on, I hope all of you picked up on the cheesy advertisments.... I counted at least three: Budwieser, Victorias Secret, and some new perscription drug on the huge billboard. Yeah yeah, maybe they needed the support for the movie, yet I know Cameron would have never stooped so low, even if it meant cutting the budget some. Yeah I loved the movie, I just wish it wasn't called Terminator...

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mrap1

It was a cool effect, and my favorite part of the movie, however, it's just not possible to remote control just any type of vehicle. There have to be actuators, or some other way for the steering wheel and accelerator to be manipulated. And how was she able to send and receive a signal from these vehicles when they weren't in her sight? I could see how they could pass off the signal thing by saying it piggy backed on some of the other communications equipment the vehicles carry, but how did she know where Arnold and Connor were? The police vehicles don't have those types of sensors to relay the info back to her. All in all a cool scene, just not a believable one.

urgodhere

i feel that this was a horrible movie and the no one should see it in theatres ans should wait untill they can rent it. There was no real plot and the conection between the other movies was unrealistic. Also...did anyone notice that Jon Conner was a pussy in this movie. He was a hard ass in the 1st/2nd and then the third one hits and hes a dumbass pussy. Just my $.02.

Cynthetiq

Ummm... in the first one he's not even born...the only "pseudo" on screen appearance of John Conner was the last few minutes of the movie with a pregnant Linda Hamilton.

The second one he was a hard ass???? He was this whiny little boy, saying sappy type things like:

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oldtimer

Damn straight he wasn't a hard ass! GREAT, GREAT reply Cynthetiq. Those few lines helped me reminence a little of T2.

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-Ever-

There's a huge difference between being a pussy (t3) and being human (t2)

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Mr.Deflok

LMAO!! Did you even watch Terminator 1 and 2? The only hard ass moment John had is in the beginning of T2 when you see Future John scarred and looking out into the wastelands.

John in T3 is a much more realistic character, he knows his destiny and is afraid of it since it's such an immense weight on his shoulders... the entire fate of humanity.

blanks

Lets put it this way. The worst thing about this movie is the lack of originality.
The first movie was groundbreaking because you get the surprise of seeing the robot after the gasoline truck explosion. You never expected it to survive, and then... here it comes again, more scary than before. THAT is where the title comes from! T2 and T3 are o.k. but both are remakes of the original. nuff said.

BTW- T4 has the possibility to bring back the flava from the first, but most likely it will be a rehash of the rehash of the rehash.

AsianRage

News flash people, Cameron didn't hate T3.

-Ever-

What in the world would that matter? I'm not sure about you, but I'm working with *my own* opinions here bud...

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seretogis

T3 wasn't nearly as good as T2. The scene in T2 where Sarah is escaping from the hospital, sees Arnold, and scurries away from him, is GOLD. There is nothing nearly as dramatic in T3.

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TaLoN

t3 wasn't meant to be dramatic, it wasn't meant to have a deep plot, and it wasn;t meant to be original. it was pure action and pure comedy. it was much funnier than t2 which i didn't think possible. i don't know what you guys liked about t2 so much...yes it was awesome, but only until t3 was released. it was only meant to close the series, and it did exactly that.

TaLoN

the future of this movie continues from the first movie not the 2nd. after destroying the t1000 and the remaining evidence, the plot reverted back to the original timeline.

TaLoN

do you need to have a laptop "in sight" of a wireless router for it to transmit...i don't think so. radio waves can go anywhere they want.

she used nanomachines to modify the cars so that she could control them wirelessly. she is designed to assimilate other machines... if they aren't capable of doing what she wants, then she "rebuilds" them. by the time she was done with them, those vehicles were basically cars of the future (except they still run on gasoline)

Cynthetiq

yes that was funny the glasses... and the talk to the hand.. hilarious.

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mrap1

Radio waves can go anywhere they want, but you need a receiver to intercept the transimission. Like I said, I could get over the remote control part because emergency vehicles carry sophisticated communications equipment. I can see how she could have modified what was on board to receive signals she was emitting. What I can't see is how the cars were able to tell her where Arnold was. Like I said in my original post, the ems vehicles don't have the type of sensors necessary to relate that info back to her. Therefore, the only way she could have controlled the ems vehicles and attack Arnold was to have everybody in her line of sight which she clearly didn't.
And you still need some physical device to turn the steering wheel, and press on the gas and breaks. From what I understood of the dialogue, the new terminator in essence can reprogram other machines to control them, it didn't say anything about rebuilding them.

mrap1

Actually the other way she could have kept an eye on them is if she electronically broke into some government spy satellites and used them to track Arnold.

oldtimer

Which they didn't show so she did not have that kind of access.

"electronically broke"?! Who are you? What other way is there to break into a satellite?

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