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Zeraph · 03-08-2009, 08:17 AM

How well could you see out of the mask? Cool costume!

Daniel_ · 03-08-2009, 12:04 PM

We now have tickets for tomorrow night.

This made me laugh.

Jove · 03-09-2009, 08:10 AM

I would like to know if there is a image or wallpaper for the scene of all the minutemen sitting/standing next to the table (like the Last Supper type of deal).

telekinetic · 03-09-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeraph

How well could you see out of the mask? Cool costume!

Eh, enough to get around and pose for pictures with a surprisingly large amount of people and theater staff. Not good enough to watch the movie...it came off, then went back on just in time for me to miss whatever was on the twilight zone >_<

Halx · 03-09-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jove

I would like to know if there is a image or wallpaper for the scene of all the minutemen sitting/standing next to the table (like the Last Supper type of deal).

Spoiler: Yes, in the opening credits. It is a montage of many similar scenes, with costumed heroes taking the place of the usual subjects in famous paintings and photographs.

Jove · 03-09-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Halx

Spoiler: Yes, in the opening credits. It is a montage of many similar scenes, with costumed heroes taking the place of the usual subjects in famous paintings and photographs.

Is it online so I can get a copy?

Halx · 03-09-2009, 10:50 AM

Beats me.

My own take of the movie was that it was excellent. I personally was too engrossed to notice the spotty acting by Silk Spectre II that some people have mentioned. I approved wholeheartedly with the changes made to the story to embrace the movie medium. I loved the pacing and the storytelling. I appreciated that the movie treated me as an intelligent person and let me tie all the clues together myself.

This movie lost a lot of points with critics because its story is over 20 years old and many of its concepts no longer seem revolutionary. Fuck 'em. A good story is a good story.

My only gripe was the soundtrack. I realize how it fits in with the original comic, but there were a few songs in there that took me out of the moment. The date. The funeral. The sex scene. Great scenes, but the music left me wondering why... why...

telekinetic · 03-09-2009, 10:57 AM

I generally hate soundtracks with songs that I know and like...it yanks me out of the ambient effect the song was intended to have. The Matrix is practically unwatchable now that I've listened to the soundtrack so many times. Watchmen ironically would have been 'better' (in terms of keeping the viewer's focus on the continuity) if they'd been covers, so we wouldn't already have a pitch-perfect representation to mentally sing along to, but get the idea that they're referencing the song and move on.

World's King · 03-13-2009, 10:36 AM

I really really liked it. Now, I did see it at 11pm so we didn't get out till 2am. I'm gonna have to see it again during the day so I'm not as sleepy... And not drink before.

My girlfriend hated it. Okay, so she didn't hate it... she just thought it was boring.

Daniel_ · 03-13-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by World's King

I really really liked it. Now, I did see it at 11pm so we didn't get out till 2am. I'm gonna have to see it again during the day so I'm not as sleepy... And not drink before.

My girlfriend hated it. Okay, so she didn't hate it... she just thought it was boring.

My wife seemed to rather like it, as did I.

biznatch · 03-13-2009, 01:29 PM

I also liked it.
I had read the book about 2 weeks ago so it'd be fresh in my mind, and it's surprisingly faithful for most things, especially the dialogue.
Even the shot's angles are great, they recreate the scenes exactly how they're supposed to be.
A few obvious things can't be put in the movie, such as the parallel comic book story read within Watchmen, Tales of the Black Freighter. There's simply no practical way to put that in a movie without making it incredibly awkward.
A few other things have been changed, but as a whole I feel like they took out the right parts to make it a good movie, without losing the best aspects of the book.
I was surprised by Jon's voice, I didn't really know what to expect though. I suppose maybe a less human, and less young voice.
I liked Rorschach a lot, he did a great job with it, and the Comedian was good as well.

The rest of the cast is okay, too. Veidt looked more impressive in the book as a person, but when the stunts came it finished convincing me that it was him. Maybe his face was a bit off, somehow.

Costume design was great too.

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Overall, I recommend it, but of course, read the book, either before or after! It should be on everyone's must-read-list.

telekinetic · 03-13-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by biznatch

A few obvious things can't be put in the movie, such as the parallel comic book story read within Watchmen, Tales of the Black Freighter. There's simply no practical way to put that in a movie without making it incredibly awkward.

The very-prevalent buzz is that the extended director's cut re-intersperses the Black Freighter portions where they belong.

Supporting evidence for this is that the newspaper salesman and the kid reading the book are very prominent throughout the film.

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Collider: What is the final running time on the DVD and what can fans look forward to?

Zack: The final running time without the Black Freighter is 3 hours and 10 minutes.

Collider: When you say the Black Freighter, so you’re going to put in some of the animated bits?

Zack: No. The Black Freighter version of the movie, which we call the final cut or the ultimate cut – it has a marketed name that I don’t know exactly what it is. That version of the movie, because when we were up there we physically shot the in’s and out’s, scenes at the newsstand that go into the movie. There’s like scenes where our characters pass the newsstand and then we pick up action at the newsstand and it gets us into the Black Freighter….with shots that go into it and it comes to life and you follow the Black Freighter story and then come back into the movie. That version of the movie is the director’s cut with the Black Freighter intercut. That version sort of traces the structure of the Black Freighter that's integrated into the comic book… So that version is the 3 hour and 25 minute version. So you have all those in’s and out’s…but the director’s cut includes the Hollis death stuff, that’s just a lot more connective tissue…it’s hard for me to even remember exactly what’s in it. But it’s just a lot more.

For those bad at math, that's 34 extra minutes in the Extended, and then an additional 15 minutes for the Black Freighter (I believe it's going to be called the Ultimate cut).

I also heard a rumor of one of those two cuts hitting theaters in [s]April.[/s]

Edit: Make that July, and Snyder confirmed limited theatrical release.

Cynthetiq · 03-13-2009, 01:32 PM

I enjoyed it... I'm looking forward to the read when I have the time.

biznatch · 03-13-2009, 02:47 PM

Great, I was wondering if there was a way to include the Freighter segments, and I'm anxious to watch the most extended cut.

Strange Famous · 03-18-2009, 03:48 PM

I dont think a move has pissed me off for a while. This did.

I wont spoil it for anyone else who hasnt seen it by even going into it - but the ending is fucked up so badly.

I cant imagine why they would do that... its almost like a joke of what Hollywood producers do to a work of art... like those Orange adverts they have at the start of movies (in Cineworld's in the UK anyway)

The_Jazz · 03-18-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

I dont think a move has pissed me off for a while. This did.

I wont spoil it for anyone else who hasnt seen it by even going into it - but the ending is fucked up so badly.

I cant imagine why they would do that... its almost like a joke of what Hollywood producers do to a work of art... like those Orange adverts they have at the start of movies (in Cineworld's in the UK anyway)

I agree - up to a point. Rationally, I understand why they felt they made the change. But that doesn't make me happy about it. I feel conflicted about it. There was just too much material at the end of the day, and it would have been very confusing to introduce the characters necessary to explain the original ending.

But I wanted my giant squid, dammit!

SecretMethod70 · 03-18-2009, 04:53 PM

I dunno, I agree pretty strongly with PZ Myers' take on the issue, and he's both a fan of the graphic novel AND obsessed with cephalopods! (Some spoilers below)

Pharyngula: Watchmen

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We made the 45 mile drive to distant Alexandria to see Watchmen this afternoon. On the way there, I learned that neither Skatje nor Collin had ever even tried to read the graphic novel, so I almost slammed on the brakes and turned around to make them sit down and read it before I'd take them — but my own fanboi nature prevented me from putting off the movie any longer, so I took them anyway. The kids have been sternly instructed now that we're home that they're required to read it. Good thing I kept going, too — it was excellent. Where Ironman was last summer's exhilarating carnival ride of a superhero movie, this one is the grim and intellectual anti-superhero movie of this year. Ten tentacles up!

It is true that the movie did remove the giant space squid from the ending, but — and this is rather heretical for me to say — this ending was better, and made the story even stronger. I was imp…

Wait, what's that noise?

There's mad-eyed bearded man pounding on my window! It's…it's…Alan Moore! How did he know what I was writing? I haven't even posted it yet!

He's broken in! He's com…NOOOOOOOOOOO! <SQEEEEEEE> -fzzztzzzt- <crackle> *click*

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Have no fear, gentle readers. I knew that would happen, and took precautions. While the enraged Mr Moore is distracted by my robot duplicate upstairs, I can continue my review from the safety of my armored bunker.

I did have some concerns. The director, Zack Snyder, last made the cartoonish 300, another adaptation of a graphic novel, and while stylish, it was also ludicrously macho to the point of camp. He may have been a good choice, after all, because what he did in that movie was slavishly translate the ludicrous machismo of Frank Miller to film — he seems to be a kind of visual mimic. What he did in Watchmen was to channel the cynicism and complexity of Alan Moore, instead, and thereby produce a movie that was cynical, complex, and interesting. There aren't many movies that I can say I would like to see a few more times, just to pick up on the details, but this is one. Even if the ending is changed, it's still entirely faithful to the spirit of the graphic novel.

<Phwooooomp!>

Oh, dear. Don't be alarmed — Mr Moore seems to have chewed through the casing of the robotic power supply, causing a rather large explosion in my living room. That must have stung!

The casting was phenomenal. Jackie Earle Haley as Rorschach was the perfect image of the terrifying psycho — again, Snyder's dedication to the source pays off. Heath Ledger was frightening as the Joker, but this Rorschach, who is playing a "hero" as a vengeful vigilante with an absolute moral code, is just as powerfully present. When he's thrown in prison with a mob of criminals he was responsible for putting there, and he shouts, "I'm not locked in here with you! You're locked in here with ME!", he's convincingly dangerous.

Billy Crudup as Dr Manhattan has a strange role: he has been given godlike powers, and he has to play a being who is gradually losing his humanity. I thought he pulled it off. The role is key; one of the ideas Moore tries to portray…

<CLANG!>

Mr Moore is trying to batter the door to my lair down. I think I shall have to release the rabid bat-hyena chimeras; they'll take care of him.

Anyway, as I was saying, the story is trying to address the standard superhero comic book trope of the superman, the man who is unstoppable, invincible, and nearly omniscient by showing what such a creature would be like, and what the world would be like with such a being in it. It's not simple — the superhero certainly wouldn't be rescuing cats from trees or stopping burglaries, he'd have much more cosmic matters on his mind, and you have to figure he'd feel a bit detached from a humanity whose members are as fragile as vapor to him. That's an idea that the story explores.

There's also the counterpoint. If we lived in a world where costumed vigilantes with powers that mainly seem to be enhanced combat abilities, what would we see? Moore sees it as a gateway for fascism, and I can't much disagree with him.

These are good questions to ask, if only for the benefit of us godless folk (there is a connection!) It's one of the questions we "New Atheists" ask: if there really were a god like the ones described in the Bible or Koran or whatever, wouldn't the world look a bit different? Wouldn't the existence of these kinds of beings have significant consequences, wouldn't there be direct effects on reality that we would have to deal with? Postulate a superman or a deity, and suddenly there are all kinds of peculiarities of their apparent nonexistence that must be rationalized away…we have to pretend that such a being would be content with the occasional foiled bank robbery or tornado that misses Aunt Edna's house.

Face it, we live in a world of moral ambiguity, where there are no simple answers, no uncompromised good guys and no unremittingly evil bad guys. And if a few individuals did have vast powers beyond the average person's reach, it would not make the complexity vanish.

<Zrrrm-rrrrrmm-rrrrrrrrmmmmmmm…>

Uh-oh. He's cut the power conduit from the fusion plant. I'm going to have to conserve my battery reserves to fire up the particle beam turrets, so sorry, I've got to cut this review short. Trust me, though, the movie is well worth seeing, if you don't mind a little brutality and a rather grim moral.

Even better — read the graphic novel, Watchmen (amzn/b&n/abe/pwll).

Oh, man, I hope that appeases him a little bit.

snowy · 03-18-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Jazz

I agree - up to a point. Rationally, I understand why they felt they made the change. But that doesn't make me happy about it. I feel conflicted about it. There was just too much material at the end of the day, and it would have been very confusing to introduce the characters necessary to explain the original ending.

But I wanted my giant squid, dammit!

This pretty sums up how I felt at the end of the movie.

telekinetic · 03-18-2009, 05:29 PM

Here's what Snyder said, and I agree with: The changed ending is character-driven in a way the squid wasn't, and if the squid took 20 minutes to build up to, that's 20 minutes less of Rorschach and Dr. BlueMan. I had no problems with it.

Ozzy's cat made way less sense in a squidless universe, though.

fresnelly · 03-18-2009, 06:06 PM

I saw it last night without having read the book or really knowing much about it besides what I've picked up through osmosis. I enjoyed it immensly, even if some of the violence was a bit much for me. I basically checked out mentally during the back-alley fight and the Kidnapper flashback.

Anyway, the ending worked fine for my ignorant eyes.

Martian · 03-18-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeraph

Rorschach is awesome, my new favorite super hero. Anyone know what the reason they give for his mask being able to do that?

That's explained in more detail in the graphic novel. The fabric was created by Veidt industries, and is heat and pressure sensitive. It was originally a dress made by the tailor shop Rorschach worked for after he moved out of the foster home he grew up in, but the woman who ordered it didn't want the dress because she thought it was ugly. Rorschach liked it because the black and white never mixed, and the movement was interesting. He taught himself how to cut it properly and decided to make a mask out of it when he started crimefighting. If you pay close attention in the graphic novel, you'll notice the pattern on his mask changes panel to panel.

I don't think there's any real spoilers in there.

I loved the movie overall. I thought the ending was a bit clumsy, though; I understood the rationale behind the change (and behind all the other changes, for that matter) but I still thought it felt a bit lacking.

Bring on the super extended ultimate director's cut!

snowy · 03-18-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Martian

Bring on the super extended ultimate director's cut!

Amen. Despite my mixed feelings, I'll definitely be looking forward to seeing this.

Lucifer · 03-19-2009, 01:29 PM

We saw it the other night on IMAX, where it totally rocked, even though we didn't know much about it. We like the fact that the CG supported the movie, as opposed to 300, where the CG was the movie. It took us about 40 minutes to come up to speed on what and who was what. It might have been better with a better Introduction, maybe a couple of paragraphs scrolling up the screen to explain about the superheros and their backstory.

Strange Famous · 03-19-2009, 02:07 PM

In its own right - I guess I could admit it is a well made movie, which mainatins the core of some fascination characters.

As a representation of the comic book, a really huge let down to me.

And I really feel the things they did to make it more "commercial" actually werent needed and it could still have been a commercial movie off its good looks, without having to "Hollywood" up certain things.

I suppose it wasnt as bad as the "From Hell" movie.

Aurakles · 03-19-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by snowy

Amen. Despite my mixed feelings, I'll definitely be looking forward to seeing this.

Same here. I had mixed feelings. Love Rorschach and the Comedian, but wasn't impressed by much else. That said, I am anxious to see a director's cut.

YaWhateva · 03-19-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

As a representation of the comic book, a really huge let down to me.

you mean it being the closest representation of a comic book pretty much ever?

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And I really feel the things they did to make it more "commercial" actually werent needed and it could still have been a commercial movie off its good looks, without having to "Hollywood" up certain things.

they didn't make it more "commercial" or make it more "Hollywood". There's no way they could have done the original ending really well in movie format. The changes were made to fit the medium, not to make it "Hollywood".

Strange Famous · 03-20-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by YaWhateva

you mean it being the closest representation of a comic book pretty much ever?

they didn't make it more "commercial" or make it more "Hollywood". There's no way they could have done the original ending really well in movie format. The changes were made to fit the medium, not to make it "Hollywood".

In my opinion they captured the look and feel of the comic perfectly, but captured very little of its soul, I saw the movie as an exercise of surface over feeling.

Zeraph · 03-20-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

In my opinion they captured the look and feel of the comic perfectly, but captured very little of its soul, I saw the movie as an exercise of surface over feeling.

I think part of it is that it's impossible to capture the original feeling in any type of novel from a movie. The written word(when in it's most excellent form) oddly enough, will always be able to convey more feeling and emotion that a motion picture.

Strange Famous · 03-20-2009, 11:52 AM

Yes, but there were so many little things that to me needlessly spoiled it.

I dont want to get into spoilers, but as a small example of what I mean:
Spoiler:
When Nite Owl and Silk Spectre's two fight scenes. In the book they can certainly look after themselves. In the movie the level of violence and the ease with which masses of opponents are levelled would be ridiculous in a Steven Siegal movie. I think the movie wouldnt have suffered if a realistic fight with odds of 2:3 or whatever, rather than a super powered martial arts exhibition when 20 or 50 thugs are decimated with ease and acrobatics

The_Jazz · 03-20-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

In my opinion they captured the look and feel of the comic perfectly, but captured very little of its soul, I saw the movie as an exercise of surface over feeling.

SF, I am in absolute, total agreement with you for a change. I completely agree with pretty much everything you've said in this thread.

However, I don't see how the film-makers could have done much more to capture the soul of the book. That's an exceedingly difficult thing to do when moving mediums.

Frosstbyte · 03-20-2009, 05:36 PM

A wonderful visual experience with a nigh incomprehensible plot and resolution. I'm sure it was a lovely reproduction for fans of the comics, and I enjoyed watching all the craziness, but it could've used some intense editing. I'm not sure they could've made the story any clearer without sacrificing a lot of what fans of the comic love about the movie, but it probably would have done wonders for those of us uninitiated.

mrklixx · 04-19-2009, 03:01 PM

These are some comments from the "Rate the last movie" thread, that I had missed. I had a question/comment relating to this but I thought I would transplant it to the Watchmen thread.

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Originally Posted by KellyC

And I can do without the blue penis and the sex scene on the ship--I don't like sex scenes in movies. There's porn for that.

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Originally Posted by SecretMethod70

Also, with Watchman it's conveniently more clear that the sex scene and blue penis nudity serve a narrative function: these weren't added by the studio, but taken directly from the graphic novel. I've already addressed the sex scene, but Dr. Manhattan's lack of concern for clothing just goes to demonstrate his detachment from human society.

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Originally Posted by KellyC

However, there are plenty of scenes in the movie where he's shown with clothes on, or at least the black man-thong. Seems kind of inconsistent. Or was it because he's only doing it at the request of those government agents?

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Originally Posted by m0rpheus

That's pretty much it. The black thong is in the flashbacks and he's naked in the present. The other times he's wearing clothes is at the government's request.

So, my question is, other than for the shock value of 20 or so minutes of blue penis screen time, why does Dr. M have a penis at all? "Well he probably had a penis before the accident", you might say. Yes, but he can control matter, and can control his appearance (blue, superbuff, 50ft tall, etc), so the penis has to be a conscious creation. Now I can understand the desire to have one to satisfy his masked babe dujour, but why not put it away when not in use. I think the lack of a penis would have more effectively demonstrated his detachment from human society.

03-08-2009, 12:04 PM	#42 (permalink)
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03-09-2009, 10:50 AM	#47 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Beats me. My own take of the movie was that it was excellent. I personally was too engrossed to notice the spotty acting by Silk Spectre II that some people have mentioned. I approved wholeheartedly with the changes made to the story to embrace the movie medium. I loved the pacing and the storytelling. I appreciated that the movie treated me as an intelligent person and let me tie all the clues together myself. This movie lost a lot of points with critics because its story is over 20 years old and many of its concepts no longer seem revolutionary. Fuck 'em. A good story is a good story. My only gripe was the soundtrack. I realize how it fits in with the original comic, but there were a few songs in there that took me out of the moment. The date. The funeral. The sex scene. Great scenes, but the music left me wondering why... why... __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

03-09-2009, 10:57 AM	#48 (permalink)
telekinetic zomgomgomgomgomgomg Location: Fauxenix, Azerona	I generally hate soundtracks with songs that I know and like...it yanks me out of the ambient effect the song was intended to have. The Matrix is practically unwatchable now that I've listened to the soundtrack so many times. Watchmen ironically would have been 'better' (in terms of keeping the viewer's focus on the continuity) if they'd been covers, so we wouldn't already have a pitch-perfect representation to mentally sing along to, but get the idea that they're referencing the song and move on. __________________ twisted no more

03-13-2009, 10:36 AM	#49 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	I really really liked it. Now, I did see it at 11pm so we didn't get out till 2am. I'm gonna have to see it again during the day so I'm not as sleepy... And not drink before. My girlfriend hated it. Okay, so she didn't hate it... she just thought it was boring. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

03-13-2009, 01:29 PM	#51 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	I also liked it. I had read the book about 2 weeks ago so it'd be fresh in my mind, and it's surprisingly faithful for most things, especially the dialogue. Even the shot's angles are great, they recreate the scenes exactly how they're supposed to be. A few obvious things can't be put in the movie, such as the parallel comic book story read within Watchmen, Tales of the Black Freighter. There's simply no practical way to put that in a movie without making it incredibly awkward. A few other things have been changed, but as a whole I feel like they took out the right parts to make it a good movie, without losing the best aspects of the book. I was surprised by Jon's voice, I didn't really know what to expect though. I suppose maybe a less human, and less young voice. I liked Rorschach a lot, he did a great job with it, and the Comedian was good as well. The rest of the cast is okay, too. Veidt looked more impressive in the book as a person, but when the stunts came it finished convincing me that it was him. Maybe his face was a bit off, somehow. Costume design was great too. ---------- Post added at 09:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:27 PM ---------- Overall, I recommend it, but of course, read the book, either before or after! It should be on everyone's must-read-list. __________________ Check it out: The Open Source/Freeware/Gratis Software Thread

03-08-2009, 08:17 AM	#41 (permalink)
Zeraph Banned Location: The Cosmos	How well could you see out of the mask? Cool costume!

03-09-2009, 08:10 AM	#43 (permalink)
Jove Groovy Hipster Nerd Location: Michigan	I would like to know if there is a image or wallpaper for the scene of all the minutemen sitting/standing next to the table (like the Last Supper type of deal).

03-13-2009, 01:32 PM	#53 (permalink)
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03-13-2009, 02:47 PM	#54 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	Great, I was wondering if there was a way to include the Freighter segments, and I'm anxious to watch the most extended cut. __________________ Check it out: The Open Source/Freeware/Gratis Software Thread

03-18-2009, 03:48 PM	#55 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	I dont think a move has pissed me off for a while. This did. I wont spoil it for anyone else who hasnt seen it by even going into it - but the ending is fucked up so badly. I cant imagine why they would do that... its almost like a joke of what Hollywood producers do to a work of art... like those Orange adverts they have at the start of movies (in Cineworld's in the UK anyway) __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

03-18-2009, 05:29 PM	#59 (permalink)
telekinetic zomgomgomgomgomgomg Location: Fauxenix, Azerona	Here's what Snyder said, and I agree with: The changed ending is character-driven in a way the squid wasn't, and if the squid took 20 minutes to build up to, that's 20 minutes less of Rorschach and Dr. BlueMan. I had no problems with it. Ozzy's cat made way less sense in a squidless universe, though. __________________ twisted no more

03-18-2009, 06:06 PM	#60 (permalink)
fresnelly Functionally Appropriate Location: Toronto	I saw it last night without having read the book or really knowing much about it besides what I've picked up through osmosis. I enjoyed it immensly, even if some of the violence was a bit much for me. I basically checked out mentally during the back-alley fight and the Kidnapper flashback. Anyway, the ending worked fine for my ignorant eyes. __________________ Building an artificial intelligence that appreciates Mozart is easy. Building an A.I. that appreciates a theme restaurant is the real challenge - Kit Roebuck - Nine Planets Without Intelligent Life

03-19-2009, 01:29 PM	#63 (permalink)
Lucifer Husband of Seamaiden Location: Nova Scotia	We saw it the other night on IMAX, where it totally rocked, even though we didn't know much about it. We like the fact that the CG supported the movie, as opposed to 300, where the CG was the movie. It took us about 40 minutes to come up to speed on what and who was what. It might have been better with a better Introduction, maybe a couple of paragraphs scrolling up the screen to explain about the superheros and their backstory. __________________ I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. - Job 30:29 1123, 6536, 5321

03-19-2009, 02:07 PM	#64 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	In its own right - I guess I could admit it is a well made movie, which mainatins the core of some fascination characters. As a representation of the comic book, a really huge let down to me. And I really feel the things they did to make it more "commercial" actually werent needed and it could still have been a commercial movie off its good looks, without having to "Hollywood" up certain things. I suppose it wasnt as bad as the "From Hell" movie. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

03-20-2009, 11:52 AM	#69 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Yes, but there were so many little things that to me needlessly spoiled it. I dont want to get into spoilers, but as a small example of what I mean: Spoiler: When Nite Owl and Silk Spectre's two fight scenes. In the book they can certainly look after themselves. In the movie the level of violence and the ease with which masses of opponents are levelled would be ridiculous in a Steven Siegal movie. I think the movie wouldnt have suffered if a realistic fight with odds of 2:3 or whatever, rather than a super powered martial arts exhibition when 20 or 50 thugs are decimated with ease and acrobatics __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

03-20-2009, 05:36 PM	#71 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	A wonderful visual experience with a nigh incomprehensible plot and resolution. I'm sure it was a lovely reproduction for fans of the comics, and I enjoyed watching all the craziness, but it could've used some intense editing. I'm not sure they could've made the story any clearer without sacrificing a lot of what fans of the comic love about the movie, but it probably would have done wonders for those of us uninitiated.