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Old 03-01-2007, 06:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Sopranos' last few episodes... Predict how it will end!

So the Sopranos is just about done with only a few more upcoming episodes. The last few seasons have been fairly weak in my humble estimation. What will end up happening to bring to a close one of the best television series in a long ong time? Here's one possible ending....

Actually Tony will see three ghosts on Christmas Eve. One from mobster past-Big Pussy, One from mobster present- Uncle June, and one from mosbster future- His once inept son Anthony Jr.- who now is a crime boss father's dream.... smart, saavy, and ruthless. With Meadow as #2, Big Tony and that fat ass Carmella can retire to South Florida without worry while the two kids run that mafia game strong. BAAAMMM!!!!

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Old 03-01-2007, 07:48 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Meadow to appear on stage at the Bing.

Carm to shoot T, but not kill, for his constant raiding of the fridge

Uncle June to regain his memory and become a traveling opera singer.

AJ to go on a crash diet and become a feared enforcer now that his brain starts to work again.

Paulie Walnuts and Christopher to reconcile and set up a secret love nest at the marina.

As if!
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Old 03-01-2007, 10:10 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Meadow to appear on stage at the Bing.

Carm to shoot T, but not kill, for his constant raiding of the fridge

Uncle June to regain his memory and become a traveling opera singer.

AJ to go on a crash diet and become a feared enforcer now that his brain starts to work again.

Paulie Walnuts and Christopher to reconcile and set up a secret love nest at the marina.

As if!
Hilarious.... I like it.

Next........

I actually think Tony will get out of the business in tact and safe. I would like to see Christopher end up taking over all the while grooming AJ to eventaully take over and lead as Tony once did. I woul also not be surprised to see Meadow join the biz. I think she's been such the good and idealistic girl but with smarts and cunning. I know one thing... I want to see a lot of violence and nudity, hear a lot of F bomb s, and experience many unexpected scenarios. Bring on the Jersey Gumbas!!!

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Old 03-01-2007, 10:18 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Actually Tony will see three ghosts on Christmas Eve. One from mobster past-Big Pussy, One from mobster present- Uncle June, and one from mosbster future- His once inept son Anthony Jr.- who now is a crime boss father's dream.... smart, saavy, and ruthless.
Replace Junior as mobster present with Christopher and replace Pussy with Junior as mobster past, that would be a kick ass story.
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Old 06-03-2007, 08:56 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Having just watched the second to last episode...


I'm fucking clueless.


But what I'd like to see. Tony lives. Phil dies. Tony retires. Meadow takes over...


Not gonna happen.
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Old 06-04-2007, 12:32 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Everyone hopes that Tony lives, but let's face it. He is the definition of a tragic hero, and tragic heroes have to die. The Soprano's is a gritty, violent program, that has shown time and time again that no one is safe. Why should Tony be an exception? What better way to go out than Scarface style?
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Old 06-04-2007, 08:39 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I think tony and phil both die, little carmine takes over New York, and takes care of carm and the kids, end of story...not that this is the most exciting ending, but it would cover alot of bases.
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Old 06-04-2007, 08:59 AM   #8 (permalink)
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If there's going to be a Soprano's movie, as David Chase has implied, then killing Tony would tie an anchor to that.

However, I think Tony has to die. I can't imagine it working any other way, unless he "wakes up" to discover he actually was the salesman he dreamed he was in his coma. That ending would piss me off.

If there is a movie, it would most likely focus around AJ, possibly with a recovered Sil behind the scenes pulling strings. Paulie is the only other capo I can imagine leading the family, but it couldn't be successful for long.
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Old 06-04-2007, 12:11 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I don't think Paulie is long for this world.

Remember that Tony and Sil both know that Paulie was 'playing both sides' (New York and NJ) and was buddies with Johnny Sac.

It was Paulie's responsibility to kill Phil. (He admitted to fucking that up). Maybe he screwed that up on purpose to appease Phil and have a place in the new regime.

Now that Sil is in the hospital, there is nobody in Tony's gang with the smarts to locate and kill Phil, except Tony himself.
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Old 06-04-2007, 12:19 PM   #10 (permalink)
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However, I think Tony has to die. I can't imagine it working any other way, unless he "wakes up" to discover he actually was the salesman he dreamed he was in his coma. That ending would piss me off.
ROFL, that would be the worst idea ever, but it'd be really funny!

I stopped watching after last season because it bored me stupid. The show lost it's edge years ago and I felt my TV time was better spend with the offspring of the Sopranos like The Shield, Nip/Tuck, Rescue Me, and even shows less related, but dramatically influenced like Battlestar.

Has it really shaped up this season?
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Old 06-04-2007, 02:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Has it really shaped up this season?
Only last night. I think that the writers could have gone into last night's episode directly after Johnny went into the joint and had Phil take over and nothing would have been any different. Every episode thus far this season has had nothing to contibute to the whole thing IMHO save for last night.
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Do I need to watch any episodes prior to this last one to enjoy it?

... 'cause I haven't seen a single lick, nor do I have the slightest inkling about who 'The Sopranos' are.
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Do I need to watch any episodes prior to this last one to enjoy it?

... 'cause I haven't seen a single lick, nor do I have the slightest inkling about who 'The Sopranos' are.
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Do I need to watch any episodes prior to this last one to enjoy it?

... 'cause I haven't seen a single lick, nor do I have the slightest inkling about who 'The Sopranos' are.
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Old 06-04-2007, 02:58 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Watching some of the earlier episodes adds to the enjoyment, but none of this season...or last season are really necessary.
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Old 06-05-2007, 02:16 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Whatever happens will be a disappointment - just like this last season was. ;(

(My prediction to come later)
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Old 06-05-2007, 06:48 PM   #17 (permalink)
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One good thing, is it would appear we won't have to see Lorraine Bracco any longer. She was always my least favorite part of the show even though tony and Melfi's relationship was important to the entire series.
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Old 06-09-2007, 11:11 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Yeah... I'm excited as hell... And I know when it's over...


I'm gonna be really pissed.
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Old 06-10-2007, 04:38 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I think we need a good ol' fashioned mobster shoot-out in the end.

Maybe everyone dies in the hail of gunfire, only after the mayhem do we notice that someone was conveniently missing during the entire ordeal. That would be because that one person orchestrated the mass murder, who is revealed to be none other than...
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:18 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I didn't predict in this thread.

But let me say, that I would have been wrong.

The finale was the most disappointing HBO finale I have seen. I feel like the show just gave the fans a big 'fuck you'.

WTF was that?
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:47 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The last two seasons were a great disappointment. However after last weeks episode, I had great expectations for tonight's. Other than Spoiler: that dirty cocksucker Phil getting whacked there was little or nothing worth a damn to make the show worth watching. I think the writers, producers and directors of this show quit working two years ago.

I can't find an explanation for that final scene other than the producers wanted to leave the door open to milk some more money out of HBO in the future for a mini-series.
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The finale was teh most disappointing HBO finale I have seen. I feel like the show just gave the fans a big 'fuck you'.

WTF was that?
I didn't watch the entire series, so I found the ending hilarious because I didn't waste 6 years watching the show. I laughed for a good 5 minutes after the show was over. I just want to know who thought this ending would be a good idea? At least one person at HBO must have liked it.

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Old 06-10-2007, 07:48 PM   #23 (permalink)
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omg, the last scene was so tense... i thought for sure tony, aj and carmela were gonna get gunned down while meadow was out there trying to park that poor lexus and then it cuts out. WTF?! For a second I thought my dvr didn't record the last two minutes! I have no idea wtf happened or didn't happen.

It's funny though, if you go look at the hbo forums everyone is reading all this shit into (and the other episodes). I think they are all full of shit.

So what about the cat? That was weird.... staring at christopher's pic. The cat definitely meant something.
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Old 06-10-2007, 08:19 PM   #24 (permalink)
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This show is officially a goddamn joke.

I thought I downloaded an incomplete file, but nope, that's how it ended.

What shitty writing. I feel ripped off as a fan.
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Old 06-10-2007, 08:32 PM   #25 (permalink)
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A perfect ending? Maybe. Certainly had my heart beating like crazy when the screen wnet blank. Chase set it up perfectly. It is what you want it to be. Or is it?

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Old 06-10-2007, 08:47 PM   #26 (permalink)
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As I have never seen, heard, nor spoke of The Sopranos, I guess it may be a bit presumptious of me to say that although I did not watch the final episode, the ending could have been made to be that way in order to have the fans even more hyped up about the possibility of a Sopranos' movie.

It would seem logical to leave things up in the air at the end if there was a possibility to gain revenue by having everything resolved in the potentially-upcoming movie.

But that is just my take.
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Haha, I hope you're being sarcastic :P

They just violated one of the unwritten rules of good TV - never make an ending like THAT.

Like the infamous "Oh, this whole season never happened because it was a dream sequence" cop out.

What they did was horrible, and if they are setting it up for a movie, it's bullshit marketing. I don't wanna be a part of it. I feel like years of my life have been wasted following this show. Got no satisfaction or enjoyment out of that finale whatsoever, and most people are in the same boat.
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Old 06-10-2007, 09:47 PM   #28 (permalink)
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The Soprano's movie is rumored to be a prequel. The story of what happens before Tony ascends to power.

Consider this synopsis, taken from a Sopranos forum.

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Tony's dead. (Sorry but this is going to be a long comment.)

A) First episode of this season Bobby says you don't hear it when you're shot.

B) Second to last episode of this season, Tony flashes to Bobby saying you don't hear it when you're shot.

C) The entire story arc was about Tony - when Tony's gone, the arc is done.

D) In the diner, every time someone walked through the door, the perspective changed to Tony's as he looked up

E) After the last bell jingle, just as the perspective changed to Tony's everything went black and silent - as though the person whose perspective we were to shift to was no longer alive

F) The cat was a reminder that Tony killed Chris, and had Adriana killed. The cat was a reminder that Tony's a bad guy - who has it coming.

G) There was so much symmetry between Phil's execution in front of his family and Tony's last moments

H) We all know how much Godfather III ruined the Godfather movies. I think the focus on Meadow was a reference to the Godfather. David Chase didn't end it the way Godfather III ended. This time the boss gets killed.

I) Every other episode ended in music during the credits. This one had no music because Tony's dead.

J) Episode titles have always meant something. This episode's title referred to Bobby's gift of the gun to Tony. When he gave it to him he made the comment about how everything would just go silent when you were shot.

K) The ending was so incredibly brilliant. We all felt what it was like to be Tony in those final five minutes. We all felt nervous, anxious, just as he must have felt. After being absorbed into Tony's experience, we were left with silence and blackness like death because...

Tony is dead.
Its perfect. Tony's dead. Or not. Chase didn't follow the rules for a series at all. Why should he now? This was the single best ending to this series because so much was expected of it. Is the above 'guess' correct? Or did T and family finish the onion ring appetizer and order dinner? Were you sitting there with you heart beating in your chest when the screen went black? I tend to think Tony's dead. I also think Chase nailed this one.

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Were you sitting there with you heart beating in your chest when the screen went black?
No. I was flipping through my channels because I thought my satellite went out where the ACTUAL ending was supposed to be. It's nice to be creative and not follow typical television rules, but with so many people counting on this episode to tie up more than one loose end...it was a disappointment.
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It was beautiful.



Although I have to admit that I yelled at the TV until I realized what had happened.



So far I'm the only one that I've run into that think it was the best way for the show to end. Mainly because I know that no matter what had happened that fan would bitch. This way... David Chase gets to sit at home on his pile of money laughing at everyone. And no matter what, it will be remembered as the greatest drama in television history.



Thank you David Chase.
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Old 06-11-2007, 04:04 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I really really hate these 'lady or the tiger' style of endings.
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Old 06-11-2007, 04:06 AM   #32 (permalink)
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The ending was bullshit. No amount of I-think-this-is-what-he-meant fantasizing will change the fact that the Sopranos just fell completely flat.

Everyone has been talking about how brilliant David Chase is that he builds up all this tension and suspense and then nothing happens. Sure, this might be brilliant in the middle of the series, but if he's that brilliant, then he realizes that when you string people along like that for such a long period of time, you give them a catharsis at the end.

This ending was lazy, presumptuous, and insulting. This show took a nosedive somewhere around the middle of season 6A and never recovered. What's sad is that so many fans stuck around thinking that there would be a huge payoff for our patience. There wasn't. It turns out the show just got that stale.
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The ending was bullshit. No amount of I-think-this-is-what-he-meant fantasizing will change the fact that the Sopranos just fell completely flat.

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This ending was lazy, presumptuous, and insulting.
Exactly.

No matter how you look at it, it was a shitty ending. Anyone can come up with a "figure it out yourself" ending. It's by no means creative or good in any way, shape, or form.

I don't wanna speculate to the characters' fate. I want to *see* it, or it doesn't happen. This isn't Six Feet Under, this is The Sopranos.

It was a lazy cop out, just like the past two seasons. The show has been insanely boring and uneventful compared to the other seasons.

This "ending" just more or less backs up the fact they have no creative juices left in them whatsoever. They totally botched getting AJ involved with the family - they were on the right track halfway through, then completely fell short. The way they killed off Chris and the rest, didn't even follow up on the indictment, nothing. Leaving everything to the imagination doesn't leave out the fact there are millions of pissed off viewers right now.

The least they could've done, if they wanted to allude to the fact he was dead, was to show a gun enter the screen THEN black out. *That* is how you end it if you don't wanna show it.
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seriously man, if this really is the case you might need to examine if you had a life to begin with........
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I've watched this show ever since it started in the late late 90's. How does that equate to having no life?

That's, what, 8 years of being the fan of a show only to be completely ripped off?
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It was a lazy cop out, just like the past two seasons. The show has been insanely boring and uneventful compared to the other seasons.
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This ending wasn't a marvel of creativity. It would have been well suited for a season finale, but not a series finale.
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Exactly.

No matter how you look at it, it was a shitty ending. Anyone can come up with a "figure it out yourself" ending. It's by no means creative or good in any way, shape, or form.

I don't wanna speculate to the characters' fate. I want to *see* it, or it doesn't happen. This isn't Six Feet Under, this is The Sopranos.

It was a lazy cop out, just like the past two seasons. The show has been insanely boring and uneventful compared to the other seasons.

This "ending" just more or less backs up the fact they have no creative juices left in them whatsoever. They totally botched getting AJ involved with the family - they were on the right track halfway through, then completely fell short. The way they killed off Chris and the rest, didn't even follow up on the indictment, nothing. Leaving everything to the imagination doesn't leave out the fact there are millions of pissed off viewers right now.

The least they could've done, if they wanted to allude to the fact he was dead, was to show a gun enter the screen THEN black out. *That* is how you end it if you don't wanna show it.
It's all the responses like this that make you realize how good it really was.
Too bad the last few seasons as a whole sucked ass making this the best way to end it.


Now Six Feet Under, since you mentioned it... best series yet. Especially the last episode!
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This ending wasn't a marvel of creativity. It would have been well suited for a season finale, but not a series finale.
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No matter how you look at it, it was a shitty ending. Anyone can come up with a "figure it out yourself" ending. It's by no means creative or good in any way, shape, or form.

I don't wanna speculate to the characters' fate. I want to *see* it, or it doesn't happen. This isn't Six Feet Under, this is The Sopranos.
I disagree with this as well.


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It was beautiful.

Although I have to admit that I yelled at the TV until I realized what had happened.

So far I'm the only one that I've run into that think it was the best way for the show to end. Mainly because I know that no matter what had happened that fan would bitch. This way... David Chase gets to sit at home on his pile of money laughing at everyone. And no matter what, it will be remembered as the greatest drama in television history.

Thank you David Chase.
World's King, you got it right.
It took me an hour or so to come around.

I was worried before the show about what they would do to try to tie things up. I was not worried about them killing off this guy or that guy. I was worried that they would ruin the whole series by having too much happen in one episode.

How stupid/cliché/standard/regular/normal/expected/exactly the same as any other TV series it would have been had they neatly tied up everything.

It would have been so contrary to anything this series was.
Imagine the following final episode instead with everything tied up nicely.
- Tony makes a deal with the rest of the families like it happened on the show.
- Phil Leotardo gets killed in the same manner.
- Someone forgets to call off the hit on Tony or can't get through to the guy who has been staking him out and tony gets killed in front of Carmel and Anthony Jr. (or just before he is about to be killed the cops show up and arrest him)
Then then before showing the credits they roll the pics of each of the characters with "what happened" text next to it.
- Silvio remains in Coma
- Paulie Walnuts dies young of a heart attack after taking on that cursed job Tony wanted him to take.
- In her grief Carmela travels to Italy for some time away. While there she bumps into Furio. They end up together.
- Meadow becomes a big human rights lawyer in NY.
- Anthony Jr. seeing his father killed in front of him vows revenge and joins the family business moving up quickly eventually becoming boss.

Nice and clean.
And dumb.

Life goes on. This episode is telling us that the characters lives go on (whether or not they are insinuating that someone key is killed).

It was not lazy. It can't say because I know nothing about the process they went through but it must have been extremely hard for them to buck the trend of final episodes. I am sure this was discussed at great length and probably opposed by many involved.

Why should they give you catharsis?
They never wrote and produced what you wanted.
They wrote and produced what they though was good and because it was you liked it.
They created something completely new, they did things differently. Before the Sopranos there was no series like this.

This was a perfect ending.

As for the last couple of seasons or last few episodes:
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The Sopranos got better and better as it went on.
- Christopher going the way he did.
- Tony finding Anthony Jr. and pulling him out of the pool.

Those two moments were probably the most powerful moments that ever were on the show.
The writers are brilliant. Taking a guy like Tony. Showing us all sides of him. Making us hate him and love him.
Taking us from the moment that he killed Christopher (eyes bulging in suffocation and surprise) and a little bit later in the episode where they show him relieved that Chris is dead (a moment where you can't stand this guy) to the moment where he pulls Anthony Jr. out of the pool and cradles him at the side of the pool stroking his hair and comforting him (I cried - call me a wuss).

The emotion I felt in both of those sequences was crazy.
And kept thinking "but this is only a show".

What other show writers can do this?

This is what they did in the final episode, they wrote what was right, not what the general public necessarily wanted to see.
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Old 06-11-2007, 08:12 AM   #39 (permalink)
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You're right Sticky. I think it was a masterpiece. Not a convenient ending, no happy ending, no mob shootout, no finality. Except in our minds. Its Chase's story, not ours.

However, this is an interesting theory posted at
http://digg.com/movies/The_Sopranos_..._Did_You_Think

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OK, at first I was really angry. I mean really, really angry. I can't believe though that no-one has posted by now what happened. The only thing I saw that was right, was that in the last scene we are seeing through Tony's eyes. Remember when he was speaking with Bobby...basically saying that you don't see it happening?

So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn't that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely Genius!!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail.

So the point would have been that life continues and we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history, you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store and the black guys at the end were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?).

Absolutely incredible!!!! There were three people in the restaurant who had reason to kill Tony and then it just ends. This was Chase's way of proving that he will not escape his past. It will not go on forever despite that he would like it to "don't stop". Not the fans!!! Tony would like it to keep going but just as we have to say goodbye, so does he. No more Tony and I guess we are supposed to be happy that Meadow didn't get clipped as well (she would have been between the shooter and Tony) since she is the only one worth a crap in that family.

Thank you David Chase for making it so obscure that I feel bad for hating you at first. Absolutely amazing!!!!"
To be fair, there are some people that take issue with the above at that site and have some proof to back them up.

But, the brilliance in the ending lies not in it's ending but how we perceive it ending. The debate and disucssion will last for days. Had it closed with them ordering dinner with no sinister background or with T getting his forehead ventilated, we'd be done discussing it by now.
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Old 06-11-2007, 08:21 AM   #40 (permalink)
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I guess the main thing everyone wasn't going to be happy with anything. There are those of us who didn't like this ending, those that wanted Tony killed, those that wanted Tony to live and countless other people's ideas of how everything should have gone.

My main beef is after all the disappointment from the last two seasons, I wanted something to make me think "OH MY GOD". Instead I left with "WHAT THE FUCK".
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