Tamerlain

I agree, not exactly a great episode. Nikki and Paulo will never be characters who advance the story, so I don't get why they were the focus of the episode. Pretty morbid if they stay buried, too.

And you ended up being half right about this week's episode - Charlie just didn't end up dead.

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warrrreagl

Remember Locke's warning that things don't tend to stay buried on the island.

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ubertuber

NICE! And creepy.

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Grasshopper Green

I was pretty "meh" about the episode, but it certainly gave me the creepy crawlies before going to bed.

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fresnelly

I liked it a lot. I enjoyed seeing past events from their perspective and the Edgar Allan Poe-tic ending was a great finish. Warreagal is right on. Can you say Telltale Heart?

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absorbentishe

I was scratching my head the whole time, until the end. What a way to go though, being barried by your "friends". There had to be some reason the show focused on them, but what, what could it be?? I think they'll be back.

ubertuber

Absorbentische:

The scene with Ben and Juliette meant a lot. It showed that the situation with Jack was entirely planned - down to Michael and Walt. It showed that the interest the Others had in Jack was confined to, or at least spurred by his surgical ability. It showed definitively that the Others have no intention of helping the Losties, and instead make complicated plans to manipulate them to get what they want.

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the_marq

Regarding the whole, Locke's dad is the same guy that scammed Saywer's (James Ford's) mother; I would say that we can be 99% certain that he is based on this information I found on the Lostipedia:

Linky

It seems pretty unlikely that a 24 letter anagram just 'slipped in.'

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Ample

I didn't get Sawyer throwing the diamonds on the two before they put dirt on them. That is not Sawyer! He is a con guy, he lies cheat and steals. Is that really him to throw away 8 million dollars worth of diamonds?

When he emptied them into his hand it did look a little light, like a few were missing. I don't know maybe he was trying to make good with Sun.




Overall I thought this was the worst show of the season

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ubertuber

Or maybe it is a sign that some of the losties have really given up hope of going home. After all, those diamonds would only really be valuable on the market...

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Ample

maybe some of them.... but Saywer has been in the others camp. He knows there is a way on and off the island. Of course he doesnt know about what Locke did, yet.

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ratbastid

Sawyer's a con man with a heart of gold wrapped around a left ventricle of pure shit. Nonetheless, I don't think it's out of character for him to leave the dead with the worthless treasure that they (apparently) killed each other for.

ubertuber

Yeah, and actual grave-robbing seems beyond him. I just can't see him picking diamonds out of mostly decomposed flesh.

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MPower

He might have replaced the diamonds with some cheap jewelry he had been hoarding.

Grasshopper Green

That is awesome

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pmb145

The Pikki episode was ok. I'm really disappointed that they didn't throw in any small 'wow' moments that pertained to the big story. Maybe they did and we just don't know yet.

ratbastid

I thought the glimpse of Ben and Juliette in the Pearl hatch was a pretty big deal. It shows us that the plan to have Jack operate on Ben was in play from sometime before the middle of the second season. It shows us that Ben didn't have surveillance access to the Swan hatch from the barracks or the Hydra--he had to go to the Pearl to look in on the Losties.

The "wows" in this episode were of the looking-backward variety. The things that we've thought were ill-advised moves by the writer/producers now turn out to have been part of a story we didn't know yet. The way this episode meshed with everything else that's been happening was very, very clever.

pmb145

Ratbastid... That's a very good point. Ben told Locke that he was coming for him. This episode makes it clear that Jack was Ben's purpose for coming. Now was the French Lady in on it? and is Locke just an easy target for Ben?

ZenFilthPig

It's funny... I'm the last one out of my friends to stay with the show and was almost pushed over the edge by that episode. I thought they'd just come up with a novel way to have an entire "previously on Lost" show, without having to resort to a lame TV special.

But, since reading a few posts, I may have been a little too quick of the mark. The 'Nothing stays buried on this island' remark went totally over my head and I didn't really consider the timeline for some of the other encounters.

It was probably becasue I was still rolling my eyes at the whole having to be travelling at 100 mph down a hill directly at rocks to jump start a van.

radioguy

i'm enjoying this season and am back to planning my wednesday nights around the show!

Ample

I don't understand why they don't move everyone from the beach to the camp, at least they would be protected from the smoke thingy. I hated seeing Jack walk with Juliet and not Kate at the end of the show.

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fresnelly

I thought about that too, but I would be worried about the Others coming back. Also, to the regular Lost, the beach represents the best opportunity for being rescued and I imagine they've grown attatched to it. The village is hidden in the scary inland and I imagine the power and water has been cut off or sabotaged.

I wonder where the Others are now?

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Jove

In the beginning of the episode when Kate's car was being towed away, the song being played was the same song Sayid and Hurley were listening to when they were trying to get a signal from the radio back in season 1 or 2.

Does anyone think Sayid will torture Juliette?

warrrreagl

I sure wish I could take credit for noting that quote around here, but my fair bride Grancey pointed it out to me first. If it weren't for her, I'd probably think this show was just "Gilligan's Island" with more people.

After last night's episode, I think she'd kick his ass if he tried.

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Rekna

I'm not convinced Juliette isn't still working with the others. Next weeks episode should be good. I hope we find out some juicy details about the others and where they came from.

fresnelly

I think we should start a pool as to whether Juliette is still working for the
Others. Will the writers take the obvious twist?

My hunch is that one of the Lost will kill her in a rage, only to find out she wasnt working for the Others after all. That sort of guilty act is a common theme among the players.

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Ample

I do think that she is still working for the others, she is really conniving and plays the head games as well as Ben. And if you all remember in next week's preview it was Saywer not Sayid, that wanted answers and is willing to kill if he doesn't get them.

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pmb145

I hope that Juliette isn't working for the others. I;m looking forward to seeing her conversation with Sayid.

Lokus

I don't think Juliette is still working for the Others. There's no love lost between her and Ben and now Ben has no hold over her. What can he offer her with the submarine destroyed? It seems to me that she does have a real connection with Jack. On the other hand, she did seem like Ben's right hand man when she visited the Pearl(?) station with Paulo watching and when Jack was a prisoner.

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ratbastid

Well, but the question then is: how did the others leave? Did they leave the island at all? Do they have some other way (an underwater tunnel via the Hydra station perhaps?) to the Alcatraz island?

I don't know. Even in that scene, there was friction between them. It was a very well played scene, actually. Elizabeth Mitchell and Michael Emerson are both supremely talented actors, and they play off each other perfectly.

The_Jazz

I think the more interesting question is: where did they go? Personally, I think we'll find that they went somewhere else on the main island that we haven't seen yet. I feel fairly confident in saying that The Survivors haven't circumnavigated the island yet since the Sayd/Jin/Sun trip seemed to be an out-and-back to the "camp" with the giant 4-toed foot.

I also think that it's growing more apparent that The Others are also missing some big part of the back story of the island itself.

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Rekna

Juliette could still be playing jack. Perhaps the whole other dissent stuff was all part of the ploy....

Also I was just thinking that the others clearly controlled/had access to the pearl, and all other facilities that we know about except the station from season 2 (the hatch). I'd think they would also have access or control this one. This would suggest that Desmond is really an other.

ratbastid

Well... I think somewhat more saliently, The Others are clearly not a unified whole. Ben may know everything about everything (although his interaction with Locke seems to indicate that on some level he doesn't "get" the island). It was pretty clear that Juliette had never heard of Smokey. I'm not sure one can sensibly say whether "The Others" know the whole story.

Doubtful. We've already seen a flashback episode that covers his whole history with the island and entirely explains his presence.

ubertuber

I thought this until she said the opposite - something like we don't know what it is, but we know it doesn't like our fence. So the playing stupid was another yet layer of strategic lies.

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pmb145

I just recently went to Lostpedia and read about the whispers. I looked at them in the past and always kind of just thought that it was something to do with Psychics.

Now, after reading them again, I'm starting to think they're coming from beyond. It sounds like they're ghosts. Especially when Shannon dies and you hear them, they welcome her and someone says 'hi sis'. Maybe Nikki and Paulo will play a role later.

Rekna

Thats true, maybe the guy he was with was an other. That or part of the other group.

Ample

I knew it! I didn't want to believe it cause I think Juilett is a totally hottie, but now that she is evil I have to hate her, and I hate that.

One thing that I just don't is how she/they knew about Sayid and more Sawyer killing the people, I'm sure through some type of record about all that of what Sayid did, but how in the world would she know that the day before the plane crashed that Sawyer killed someone. How is that possible?

The symbol on the tree where the meds were located, what did that mean?


I thought the best line in the show was when Sawyer said, "I say we sick our resident Iraqi on her"

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warrrreagl

It's still too cut-and-dried to say that Juliette is evil. Too easy. I don't buy it.

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absorbentishe

That show was fantastic! I think she'll be the double agent from here on out. I think she has something for Jack, and doesn't want to ruin that, but she does want to get home, and Ben can do that for her.

BTW, next week looks super awesome from the previews.

ratbastid

Right. She's being manipulated by Ben, obviously. She's not evil--she just wants her life and her sister back, and her last resort is to do whatever Ben says.