Sawyer and Sayid should torture Juliette for a while just to drive Jack over the edge.
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Plus the flashbacks show she's not evil. The differences between Juliette in the past and Juliette now are like night and day - there's got to be some good left in her. I think she'll do something redeeming, or I hope so. Would be much more interesting that way than if she sticks with the double-agent ploy. -Tamerlain |
Am I the only who thought that episode revealed a huge segment of what the Others are doing on the island?
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Great episode... yea, the jury is still out on Juliette. Not on Ben, though... he's just an evil prick. This episode sunk it in for us.
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I find it strange how in season 1, the others were extremely stealthy, mysterious and powerful (physically, like how Ethan almost killed Charlie to get to Claire, and gave Jack a beat down on several occasions), but now in season 3, they seem to be just like everyone else, living on the island and trying to get answers to certain problems, like why pregnant women would not survive the entire pregnancy.
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What I found strange is that no one is listening to Sawyer and Sayid.
Everyone knows what they used to be, right? If you had to judge someone's character wouldn't you want the input from an interrogator and a con-man? Seems they'd be super at summing folks up fairly fast. Probably better than a doctor that's been fooled by just about everyone on the island and some of folks off the island, for that matter. I don't recall, but did they even say what they were doing the were experimenting on pregnant women in the first place? I remember the guy with Juliette's orange juice just gushed over what she had done to her sister, but I don't remember if he mentioned what they were working on in the first place. |
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Two or three times in this episode it was, "Oh yeah, la di da, and Ethan kidnapped Claire!!!" Um... Yes. And strung Charlie up from a tree. Anybody remember that? The whole Ethan-kidnapping story arc happened because LOST was facing early-midseason cancellation, and wanted to be able to wrap the whole thing up in a dozen-twenty episodes. They laid themselves some narrative traps right there, some of which they've unwound brilliantly, and others they're just... ignoring. |
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Didn't Rousseau give birth on the island?
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So then the island's healing properties causing the immune system to turn on pregnant women must only apply to those who get pregnant on the island. But then that doesn't explain why they kidnapped Claire if she didn't actually need the vaccine. Which in turn doesn't explain why they were injecting her initially, since Rousseau gave birth on the island without suffering consequences. And now (I've arrived somewhere with my rambling) can we assume that the Others know nothing happens to women who get pregnant off the island, since they know Rousseau isn't dead (or do they)? If they know she isn't dead, then they know that they don't need to protect Claire from anything. Maybe that's why Juliette said that Sayid would kill her if he knew what she had done. Maybe they were just using Claire as a dummy... Now I'm more confused. -Tamerlain |
They were using Claire as a "Control" subject.
Imagine a pharmecutical company testing the effectiveness of a new pain reliever. They have 100 test subjects total and they give 50 of them the new pill. The other 50 are the Control subjects and they get a placebo. Then the company can confirm that any improvent in the actual subjects not shown in the control group is due to the new pill and not due to other factors. Regarding Rousseau, either she conceived Alex before coming to the island, or she has the same "understanding" with the Island that Locke does. It's certainly an easy way out for the writers if necessary. |
Interesting ideas. I wonder what this holds in store for Sun, then.
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As for the episode, I completely thought that Juliette was legit beforehand. It must mean that there's another way off the island, maybe the sub wasn't really destroyed? We see an explosion, not the sub exploding and the part in the episode where Jack said "You want to get off the island, that makes you one of us", I immediately thought that Locke wants to stay on the island. So does that mean Locke is one of them? Bernard and Rose also want to stay on the island but they disappeared so they don't count. |
I'm curious about the whole, "Can't get off the island thing." I thought after juliet's trial all the others, plus jack, went off to a ship. If you look in episode 9, at roughly 40 minutes right after the sheriff lady tells jack what his tattoo means it shows a shot of a ship, not a submarine, off the island. What's up with that?
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All this pregnancy! It hadn't even crossed my mind to think about Rousseau and Sun! (And the Others know that Rousseau's alive. Ben went and got caught by her deliberately so she'd lead him to the Losties.) |
Sun's fate will be revealed in her next flashback where we'll find out whether she conceived on the island with Jin or off the island with the bald guy.
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Yeah a Sun episode is coming up soon. Next week maybe?
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I've been having a problem with reading spoilers and then reading the insider scoop of someone who has seen it the day of. I need to cut that out and watch the show without all that. It's just sooo hard. Anyone else have this problem?
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I'm always about a day behind. I watch on iTunes as I don't own a TV. I just stay out of the threads until I'm current.
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I don't watch the show on TV either. I download it the day after and watch it commercial free.
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Okay, so did anyone recognize the Helicopter Pilot?
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No.
But if you recorded the episode, go back and freeze it on the photo on the monk's desk when Desmond turns in his robe. It's a snapshot of the monk standing next to Debbie Reynolds, who figured prominently in Desmond's first flashbacks with Penny several weeks ago but I can't remember how. |
I didn't catch who was in the photo, but I knew it was something we needed to see. Wasn't the ex's brother in another flash back as well? He looked familiar.
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As well as finding it incredibly sexy, I find it odd that Kate is still wearing thong underwear... 60+ days into their stay on the island. But I guess when you crash land your wardrobe would be pretty limited. I've enjoyed the last few episodes; I think the writers are building up to what is (hopefully) going to be a good season finale. -Tamerlain |
I thought the girl in the photo was the "sheriff" of the others. Am I wrong about that?
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Now, would the pilot have been Penny had Desmond let Charlie die? |
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I'm thinking that the whole Juliet thing is a ploy to get Sun to go along with testing that they wanted to do on Claire but were unable to because she was rescued.
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OK, so eyepatch came back to life. And we believe Jack's father came back to life. And Locke warned that things don't tend to stay buried on the island.
Let's just hope to God that Arntz doesn't come back. *shiver* |
Well, clearly not everyone who is dead stays dead and/or there are multiple levels of death and everyone who is there is dead and if you die again after you're dead you can't be reborn. Or something.
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He could have been faking it i guess. He's pretty resourceful that way.
I liked the revelation at the end that Spoiler: fake plane wreckage was created to discourage a rescue. Any cunning linguists out there who can confirm what the Helicopter Pilot was mumbling about when semi concious? I'm particularly curious about what Patchy translated as "Thank you for saving me." |
I have to re-watch it. I *gasp* fell asleep during the show. I did catch the spoiler, that really puts a twist on things.
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According to those on the internets, she said something to the effect of "I'm not alone / I'm not the only one" in Portugeuse. I don't know how accurate that is as I don't speak Portugeuse, but it seems the general consensus.
Fake plane wreckage and fake bodies? She said no survivors, right? That sort of implies they found bodies, doesn't it? |
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