Lost season 3
 

I can't be the only one waiting for the new season, can I? Anyone else jonesing to see what happens next, or did they lose you somewhere along the way?

Enquiring minds want to know!!

AAAAAAAA I'm fucking DYING.

October can't come soon enough.

I think rb put it as well as I could put it. I have long greatly appreciated your avatar and title, rb. So many unanswered questions!

Thanks for starting this thread, spongy. I've been keeping myself sated by following the 'Lost Experience' webgame.

As soon as they start showing promos I'll be giddy like a schoolgirl. :D

Has anybody heard any juicy tidbits as to what season three might bring upon us? I have to admit, I'm entering season three as a wee bit of a skeptic. I don't know how much longer I can stand being dragged inch my inch through this... this will be a pivotal season for me. If the producers/writers resort any further toward mediocrity (not that they're there yet, but I feel them slipping there, slightly) then they might lose me... No more black monsters. No more polar bears... But more Kate...and more Sun.

I just re-watched all of season two over the weekend and at now I am obsessed with the show again. I wonder what will happen to Jack, Kate and Sawyer, poor saps have been taken by the hostiles.

I have heard a couple of minor spoilerish things.. just to be safe Spoiler: I read that desmond will be a regular, kate will pick between Jack and Sawyer, and also that this season the Others will be major onscreen players.

As for teasers, ABC has already run some including a cool one where they say what they used to be before the crash... tres cool! Probably available at abc.com i will post a link if I find it.

Here's the link ... the cool vid I mentioned plus a little more

i just started watching the show and got hooked.

started watching from the second season.
i saw all the episodes in about 3 days.

HUGE LOST fan here!!!

I dont think this would be a "spoiler", but here is what the first few shows are going to be called.

A Tale of Two Cities
Further Instructions
The Glass Ballerina
Every Man for Himself
The Cost of Living

Still trying to figure out bit torrent. I don't think they start to air Lost 3 here until next summer... They just finished their run of Lost 2...

I'm not even getting into the fact that they just started running House on a cable channel that I don't get... I take solace in the fact that it is last season's House.

...fresNELLY, giddy as a schoolgirl... :lol:

I can just see you waving your forearms like Smithers screaming in joy.

Yup, I can't wait for the new season. It's become the only show I need to watch.

It was unfortunate Hurley did nothing to help Jack, Kate and Sawyer, but I guess his only choices were:

1. Walking back to camp and informing people of the situation
2. Attacking "Henry Gale" and getting shot by Henry's crew and dying.
3. Announcing to Henry Gale and crew that they messed with the wrong people and have started a war.

Yeah, I can see that. Tackling him the same way he did Sawyer... :rolleyes:

The Others had the whole thing completely set up. They'd out-thought Jack and the Losties from the get-go. I think Fenry got caught on purpose. I think it was a recon mission.

Definately looking forward to it. I think Lost is a terrific show.

I am definitely looking forward to the start of Lost - I'm surprised I made it through a whole summer without it :D
And I can't wait to finally sit down and watch the extras from Season 2 - the DVD's came out last week!

Season 3 hasn't appeared on Tivo's season pass manager yet. Anyone know if this is usual for Tivo?

They're GREAT.

I got the Season 2 dvds the friday before they were released and I'd watched them all before Sunday :) This is the first season that I'm going to watch week to week. I don't know if I'll be able to stand it. On DVD I don't mind as much when one episode goes off with a gun stuck to someone's head, and the next episode rewinds 2-3 days and shows it from a different perspective and goes off at the same spot the other episode did.

I agree Cybermike, the cliff hangers are brutal especially during the 5 minute commericals, which are extremly annoying. I do like on season 1 & 2 box set how I can skip the ending credits and go on to the next episode.

One more week until season 3!

This Wednesday (9/27) at 9 ABC is showing a recap episode.

Too bad I would really like to stop watching TV. Maybe that needs to wait until after Lost.

It is painful watching weekly episodes compared to the DVDs.

Whats more painful (at least short-term) is they are only showing 6 epidsodes in 2006, they will show the remaining episodes starting in Jan. The bright side is no repeats. Considered DVRing them, buut too many folks I know watch the show and will spoil it for me.

One more day!

Has anyone seen a teaser preview of season 3 yet?

Fantastic episode!

Within seconds of the plane splitting in two, Fenry Gale ordered two scouts to investigate the people on the plane. All I have about the others on the island is speculation and I am sure further within the season, we will figure out who they are and what they are doing on the island.

I like how they went deeper in Jack’s past and how he became extremely obsessive over whom Sarah was dating and she would not tell him a damn thing even when he called everyone on her list, including Jack's dad..

I like how they placed Sawyer in a cage like he was a wild animal and since he does act like a wild animal on some occasions, it was great to watch him figure out how to get food.

The first few minutes were WOW!

I started watching late, and just today watched the season finale for last year...it's going to stink having to wait week by week to find out what happens next.

Okay, so... I just want some goddamn answers, not more mysteries. At this rate, this show is gonna get cancelled before we know anything.

Dude, I SCREAMED OUT FUCKING LOUD when the punchline for the first few minutes happened.

That was you? Did you get my return yell?

Even if I don't have all the answers yet, at least I can take solace in that Sawyer and Kate can only have eye-sex from that distance.

Quoted for truth. Miserable episode. Intriguiging moments but this episode shows a disturbing direction for the new season. Part of what was always awesome about Lost was weaving the group with the individual. This episode entirely lost that. Additionally, it gave us no perspective. Everything that happened in this episode I could've easily assumed from the end of the last episode. There was no exposition. There was no explanation. Hell, there weren't even new questions raised!

Thanks for an hour of NOTHING. Fortunately next week looks like it improves on some of those problems.

Additionally, I'm going to assume that MonomAnny hasn't seen the other seasons, so I won't spoil anything for him. The opening really was the best part. It was all downhill from there.

I think I agree with you Frosst... but I think I liked the episode overall more than you did.

The opening scene was great. It was really ballsy of them to give us all that insight into the Others' situation right away, without having to wait into the new season at all. I liked it a lot. One thing we learned was that the Others did not plan for or arrange the plane crash.... I've always wondered if the Others "brought" the survivors there... but now it looks like it was as much a surprise to them as it was to Jack and company.

But then the rest of the episode was nothing too special. You're on the money about there being no exposition. And what's even worse, there was plenty of oppotunity for it. I mean, why didn't Jack or Kate ask more questions of their captors? What did Kate and Henry/Ben talk about over their meal? They might not have gotten anything answered, but it seemed awkward that they didn't even try.

Yeah, I'm going to agree. Overall, I was rather disappointed with the episode - to be honest, as we delve deeper and deeper into Jack's past I like him less and less.

Anyway, it didn't really answer anything, so it was pretty much like I was back watching season two. Here's to hoping the next episode is much better.

As far as season premiers go, this is one of the poorest I've seen (not that I've seen that many)

I didn't care for the episode...well watching it with people oggling Kate isn't the most fun for a girl to partake in especially when shes under the weather.
I thought it was kind of boring...didn't make much sense, didn't really tie up any loose ends. I agree NoSoup, Jack's past is becoming worse as the series progresses. He seems like an obsessive creep. Oh well, if it doesn't get better I'll disregard the show, hopefully that won't happen.

Moskie, it was Desmond who brought the plane down because he didn't press the button that one time almost causing an "incident".

You are not going to get your damn answers from the first episode of season 3 because this show will provide more questions than answers. By the end of season 3, you will get maybe one or two answers, but 50 more questions.

If I were taken by the others, I probably would be disoriented from the drugs and feeling a little out of place to ask coherent questions.

You would think the most educated individual on the plane, Jack, would have been asking more questions to Julia or Ben about their mission on the island, but he didn’t, why? One reason would be finding a way out of the newest hatch and then having a random stranger who might be potentially dangerous walk in the room with a folder filled with information about his life.

How would this make you feel? Would you be asking questions? Would you be comfortable enough to talk to someone who:
1. Killed people at your camp
2. Kidnapped a pregnant woman and left one person for dead
3. Threatened to kill one of your friends because you were looking for the guy who was looking for his son, but was taken prisoner by the others.
4. Might perform scientific experiments on you and or your friends, which might be painful.

I like asking questions and if I were on the island captured by Ben and his comrades, I would ask:

1. Who are you?
2. Who am I?
3. Why are you here?
4. Why am I here?
5. What is the secret of the universe?
6. Are you him?
7. Were you at one time a doctor?
8. Why do you talk like that?
9. Where did you get this food?
10. Is this all a dream?
11. Why are you experimenting with animals and humans?
12. What did you do to Walt?
13. Why are you taking our people?
14. What makes me different from anyone else?
15. What is the Dharma Initiative?
16. Are you working for the government?
17. Is this entire island a psychological experiment?
18. If this island is a psychological experiment, did I pass the test?
19. What is up with the smoke mist monster?
20. Why do we have to press the button every 108 minutes?

In case anybody cares, the brand new Tivo that Grancey purchased last weekend confirms that the novel being discussed in the book club was Stephen King's "Carrie." I was able to freeze-frame on the cover and on the binding.

I noticed Julia was reading a Stephen King book, but was unsure of what story. Thanks for the tip!

Fantastic! I was just getting ready to scour the internet searching for that little tidbit.

The show has always had that spooky, Prisoner-esque vibe, but it was especially conspicious last night. I swear, I kept expecting Gale to look over the breakfast table and tell Kate they'd get what they wanted 'by hook or by crook.' The Sawyer bit was entertaining and my dislike of all things Jack has grown significantly. It might also be kind of fun to try to figure out why a zoo/aquarium is on an island in the middle of nowhere, but overall, I didn't really like the premiere.

I just felt like there were too many, "Jeezy Creezy, how stupid can you possibly be?" moments for me to get into it.

But the Others aren't answering are they? You can ask them until your blue in the face, and you won't get anything but unreadable expressions. That fact was driven home by last night's episode.

I believe the Others are essentially a Genesis/Garden of Eden commune preparing for the aftermath of the "End" of the world. Google the Lost Experience Webgame summary and you'll see my reasoning.

With this in mind, they consider the Plane survivors to be petty and unenlightened; stubbornly trapped in a vain and ultimately doomed worldview - not to mention dangerous. Remember that a number of Others have been killed. As we've now seen, the Others have social connections with each other. They're not just employees and co-workers. That fact shouldn't be ignored.

All through the premier I was cheering Jack in his aggressive tactics. I wanted Jack's wife to reveal her lover's name, his father to break down in repentance, Julie and Ben to feel his wrath... In short, I wanted Jack's path of desctruction to succeed. As the disastrous fallout of Jack's actions toward his wife and father were revealed (not to mention his and Julie's near death directly resulting from his primal distrust of Ben), it was clear how my sense of what is "right" was being manipulated by the show. Therein lie Lost's major themes: Trust, Faith, Enlightenment, Letting go the cult of self, We're all connected... I invite a more erudite member to cement this for me :)

The Others are intentionally inscrutable because in their own minds, they've acheived their state of enlightenment. The survivors are old world intruders who need to be treated like children until they come around.

Jack: "Do you think I'm stupid?"
Julie: "I think you're stubborn."

When Julie said that Dharma was "along time ago" and that "it doesn't matter". I believe her.

If you're going to continue enjoying the show, you're going to have to appreciate the character development themes as much as the mysterious expository trappings.

Another tidbit. When Julia opened the show by playing Pet Clark's "Downtown," the CD case she actually selected from the stack was Talking Heads' "Speaking in Tongues," wasn't it? The CD itself that she loaded into the player was blank though (no printing).

Oh, I couldn't disagree more--I think the episode satisfied a lot of questions and raised a whole bunch more, which is exactly what every episode is intended to do.

There's a contingent of LOST fans who are angry in every episode (particularly major episodes like season premieres and finales) when there aren't Answers. But, look--the point of the show is the mystery. They could just trot J. J. Abrams out to explain everything about the island and everything on it, which would satisfy your curiosity, and there'd be no show anymore.

I think it's safe to say we have our first openly gay character on Lost, right? Gay or brain-dead.

Really? Because my first thought was, "That's not really an answer."

Seems like the Others are particularly good at misdirection. Their answers hardly seem like answers and their actions seem to serve the purpose of taking attention away from what they're really trying to accomplish.

The answer is obvious.

See, there is this very rich investor who is interested in using DNA found in fossilized amber to bring back the dinosaurs...

I would just like to note that the "fish biscuit" that Sawyer got was a dark pinkish color....much like a red herring.

As to the red herring, klixx: thank you. My day was just now made by you.

I've got two questions to ask, though many more in my head, that I'd like to get other people's opinions on.

1)Did Juliette not get to the surface seemingly pretty fast to deal with Sawyer?
2)If the place Jack is was really underwater, shouldn't that door have been much harder to close? It seemed to me like a tankful of water was outside the door, making water rush in... but very easy to push against once the pressure starts running down.

RB, I'm frustrated because the best way to tell a story is to combine answers with new questions.

Re-watch Season 1. Every episode you learned something CONCRETE about the island and people while at the SAME TIME being tantalized with new information and new possibilities.

The only concrete thing we learned this episode happened in the first 5 minutes when we found out that the Others have a nice little camp where they have tea and make crumpets and have book clubs about old Stephen King novels, i.e. they're even more normal than we thought. I'm not looking for a "SECRETS OF THE ISLAND REVEALED" moment, but I am looking for some give and take. I tire of a show that requires constant, unyielding faith that eventually the writers will "Make it all make sense" without giving me any reason to believe that they won't draw this out right up until the show is cancelled.

Yeah, but you know the greater risk is that the show will be forced to stay on longer than the plot was designed for. The producers have promised that they have a five or six season plot arc in mind, but it's so popular that there's little chance ABC will let them end the series gracefully--it's almost certain to get drawn out beyond the natural ending point. At which point, the producers have all promised they'll walk away from the show. So that's the only point at which I'll be willing to say it's jumped the shark. Until then, I enjoy the show enough exactly as it is and has been that I'm willing to play along with whatever multi-year-long path they're taking me on.

They've really learned from the Twin Peaks Syndrome, where the network, bowing to public pressure, forced David Lynch to cough up an ending to the central plot of the series early in the second season, and then refused to let them stop making episodes. Most of the second season was pure dreck as a result. Once you know who killed Laura Palmer, who gives a good god damn about saving the pine weasel?

I don't really know what it is about LOST that calls for such second-guessing on the part of many viewers, but I hear this all the time. "Oh, I love it, it's the best show on TV, but they'd better not screw the fans over." I mean, I can understand that I guess, but what about just enjoying what they give you? It's a TV show, for crying out loud.

The show was exactly like I expected. That's the way the show has been going, and we got what we've been getting. Not every character is in every episode, not every story line is played. This is setting up to be awesome.

On a side note, did anyone catch when the plane broke apart, how did the tail fall the way it did? If the plane was over the island, how did the tail come in from the ocean? And, the cock pit, it didn't break off, since it fell seperately too? Just an observation.

...when reached for comment the dinosaur said, "ROARRR!"

Sorry. Got my threads mixed up there... ;)

warrrreagl: I'd have to watch it again to be absolutely sure, but I thought there was a label around the inner ring. Didn't catch that with the case though...
Edit: Upon further review the call on the field has been reversed. There is a label, but it's just a bunch of gibberish and "this side up." move along...

Anybody else got an unsettling itch about Kate? There's something hinky about her being put in the cage across from Sawyer, who has got to be the most consistently enjoyable part of the show, in my humble opinion.

Not really. I expect the Others will be exploiting kate and Sawyer's feelings for each other in order to test/break/torture them. Jack's conspicuous absence will be a helpful tool as well.

ok, you guys lost (heh) me. who's gay now?

I really enjoyed the season premiere. But I'm also someone who likes to watch shows like this to simply enjoy them. It doesn't bother me that more questions are raised than answered. That shouldn't be surprising, given that the show is in it's 3rd season.

As the story keeps spinning, it is natural that more questions are raised than answered. In the beginning we only had a few questions so it was easy to get a few answers in the 43 minutes of show-time. Now we have hundreds of questions and still the same 43 minutes. They can only do so much.

I am surprised that no one has commented on the apparent animosity between Julia and Ben/Henry. She was "thrilled" that Adam hated the book and didn't give a lick that Ben wouldn't enjoy it. There was also the moment at the end of the episode where you could clearly see there was some bad blood between Julia and Ben/Henry. Perhaps Jack, Sawyer and Kate do have an ally? Anyone? :) (well they do have Rousseau's daughter... hmmm...)

And I echo the sentiment of a few previous posters who yelled out loud at the first 5 minutes of the episode - I was one of you too. Clearly the best part of the episode.

-Tamerlain

This is an interesting point. Ben certainly didn't hesitate to leave Julia for dead when Jack started opening the door, did he?

(Ex)beardy boy, Mr. Friendly, Tom... whatever you want to call him.

He had a kind of genuine humor in his voice when he told Kate she "wasn't [his] type."
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On another note, I was thinking earlier (it was hard and it set off the smoke detector, but I did it)... Why did those cuffs cut Kate up so bad? Tom said something like, "They cut you up pretty bad, didn't they?" But she was only (supposedly) eating breakfast and then walking to her cage. They shouldn't've cut her that badly unless there was more motion or pulling on them going on for another reason.

Maybe the "they" Tom was referring to wasn't the cuffs?

I didn't read too much into Kates injured wrists. I figure Beardy Boy escorted her roughly from the beach to the cage, which could have been a long journey. That and Kate probably fought him the whole way.

I too am curious how Julia's shaken loyalty will play out. Will we stay in the present and see her used by Jack as a wedge in the Other's facade, or will we get to see more of her background with Ben and the rest of the Others.

I disagree - there was some pretty significant injuries to her wrist. I think she had her civlized breakfast, and then had something bad happen to her (interrogation? torture?). Remember, Ben said before he left her at the beach that the next couple of weeks would be unpleasant.

I'm with you, there's definitely something there. I thought immediately that something happened to her when I saw her wrists.

His statement was pretty ambiguous. But also, Kate would have told Sawyer if anything happened to her, wouldn't she?

-Tamerlain

Here we go again. First Baltar now this jerk. What is it with you?

Ok - well you are right - the show wouldn't be compelling without characheters to hate. . .

Yeah I noted that immediately.

I have a feeling that Juliet will be playing an important part in the war between The Others and the survivors - I mean, there's a reason as to why they chose to focus on her in the opening scene. Did you notice how, after turning up the music and looking at her reflection in the mirror, she was close to tears?

And then there's the book club incident. I couldn't help but noticing the look in her eyes as she stared blankly ahead for a few seconds before she started yelling at Ben/Adam. It was very despairing and "what the hell am I doing here?"-like. I think she hates this little community of theirs and her life there. And her yelling at Adam/Henry like that only strengthens my conviction. It's clear that she's frustrated about her situaiton and she was simply taking it out on them.

And on top of that there's definitely some bad blood between her and Henry. I say that Kate, Sawyer and Jack indeed have an ally.

What can I say? I'm drawn to the duplicitous. :lol:

I was watching it for the second time and...I don't know...she looks ashamed. Of what, I couldn't say. If there is in fact a time discrepency, then maybe she's ashamed to talk about what happened to her or maybe she's ashamed of what she's going to have to do over the next two weeks, eh?

FYI. One of the actors was interviewed recently and he said this season will focus on The Others (we knew this), and how fromt their perspective the survivors were the bad guys. Invading their bucolic existence, killing their friends, etc.

Could be interesting, though clearly the Others aren't innocent in all this - remember how they took the kids the first night?

Handcuffs could of caused it?
 

I believe the injuries were most likely from the handcufffs she was forced to wear while eating with Henry...I have never worn cuffs however I have read several novels about them, one impeticular. Steven King's "Gerald's Game" tells about a woman who is trapped in cuffs to the bed when her husband dies of a heart attack. She nearly died in them...so with that knowledge I could believe her wrist to be beaten up from them.
Who knows, could be many reasons.
Just a thought so we remember the cuffs at breakfast.

They were just scratches. Cuffs can do that, especially if they're put on "properly"--that is, too tight to rattle around on the wrist. Those were Tom's words actually: "Looks like those cuffs scratched you up pretty bad."

I think Sun gets an extra point for actually pulling the trigger and killing Hannah (or is it Annah) instead of being emo and giving the gun to the chick. Too bad she had an affair with her english teacher.

Sawyer did an awsome job at kicking ass, but should have kept to himself in the cage because Ben knows everything.

Well, I suppose that doing hard physical labor all day can qualify as being "unpleasant".

I think that Ben and Juliet used to be lovers or something to that effect...the soup line and look that passed between them led me to believe that. Which...would suggest a reason for any bad blood between them.

AND...if Ben really has spent his entire life on the island...then there would have to have been people there long before Dharma...wouldn't there? Perhaps some type of Utopian society....

My thoughts exactly...

I'm kind of surprised that Sun slept with her English teacher. We could obviously see that he wanted her through the flashbacks last season, but I didn't think she'd sleep with him.

The hard labour camp they seem to be running with Sawyer and Kate doesn't really seem like something that would be "the worst two weeks" of Kate's life. I don't get that part yet.

I think they're keeping Jack separate from those two though because they realize he's the leader of the group - they have to keep him separate from Sawyer and Kate. They're giving him the most respect by keeping him locked away. But maybe it's just to break him, maybe they don't want to break Kate and Sawyer - they seem to be pretty easy to manipulate by threatening one in the presence of against the other.

I didn't really develop any new theories about the show, but still a good episode. Actually, it was interesting that Ben was so insistent about getting the sail boat. Maybe the boat he gave Michael and Walt was the only one they had. Maybe he goes after them in the sail boat?

-Tamerlain

Stonehenge rock formations on the island?
 

This may be a bit of a stretch but when it showed Sayid, Sun, and Jin sailing I could of sworn I saw a similar rock formation to Stonehenge on one of the cliffs...making me believe the theory of people being there for many years prior to Darhma.
Anyone else see the similar rock formation or am I just losing it?
:confused:

Could be. Maybe they drove Dharma off? And they're preserved in Dharmafolk oral tradition as "the hostiles"?

I have one nagging question and one confused point:

First, the "disease" that kept coming up in the first two seasons. I'm somewhat surprised there has been no mention of it, unless these others are somehow different others than the others that kidnapped Claire very early on, as they seemed to be pretty obsessed with that.

Second, these others seem altogether different than the others we previously encountered. They're a lot more human and a lot "squishier." I can't figure out why we went from "SCARY PEOPLE WHO KIDNAP YOU IN THE NIGHT" to "We're not the enemy, you made us the enemy by killing our own. Calm down and let us help you."

I liked this episode a LOT more than last week's, and was much more what I expect episodes to be like. I also generally think Sun and Jin are awesome, so I'll never complain about episodes that focus on them. Here's looking forward to seeing more.

One small detail about the episode...

Did anyone else miss the relevance of the childhood flashback of Sun's? What was the point? Was it to prove her dad was a jerk...because that has already been shown. I wondered about it last night and I'm still wondering about it. I'm with you though, Frosstbyte...I think Sun and Jin are among the most intriguing characters on the show.

This "Sun episode" was all about betrayal.

In that first flashback, Sun betrayed her father and the maid by lying about the broken statue. Then she betrayed Jinn with her affair. Then she betrayed Jinn by working around him to help Sayid. Finally she betrayed herself by shooting the other woman (Colleen?).

Meanwhile Jinn is staying true to himself, standing up for to his father in law, refusing to kill the man he's been sent to kill. Also in staying in on the plot to ambush the Other team. It's a brilliant dichotomy--until now Jinn has been set up as the bad guy, and Sun has done whatever she needs to to deal with him, but this episode turned that all around. These two characters just keep getting deeper.

Edit: RB beat me to it. Read his! :thumbsup:

I think it was to show that Sun has lied to get herself out of trouble in the past, and others have faced the consequences of those lies because her lies were not very convincing. Sun's honesty, particularly to Jin, was is great question during this episoode (and for good reason). I think setting it up by showing her lying to avoid getting in trouble herself set the tone for watching her deceive Jin the first time by cheating and the second time by plotting with Sayid.

Thanks for the clarification; the explanations make sense :)

This is a delayed response, but why do you think she betrayed herself when she shot that woman, RB? Kind of seemed like the prudent thing to do, all told. Self defense, escape capture by hostile forces.

My prediction is that Ben and the upper level Others will take the Woman's death (if the shot was indeed fatal) very seriously, and up the ante in the conflict between the two groups. In other words, she's important and Sun's shot crossed the line.

Remember her snappish jibe at Juliette and Ben for being excluded? There's a history there, and it hints towards some sort of tense relationship triangle, as well as the broader social hierarchy of the Others.

If Ben is the sole leader, I put Juliette and the woman up as "executives", the , Bearded guy and the Jobsite enforcer as middle management, and the rest, such as Rousseau's daugher and her missing friend from the Zoo cage, as low ranking worker bees.

The worker-bee redshirts are somewhat expendible towards the Others' quest to convert/save the Losties, but the high ranking woman's death will be taken very personally.

I'm definitely looking forward to next weeks episode, apparently focusing on Locke and Eko; two of my favourite characters. What did happen in the hatch during the incident?

It's just not who she is. She's not a fighter--though as we saw from this episode, she's willing to lie to get her way. And she probably got herself in more trouble with the Others when she is inevitably caught. For narrative purposes, she has to get caught now.

The more I see of the Others, the more I'm pulling for our Losties to believe them. The reveal about the world series was brilliant--if I had been on a desert island when that happened and somebody told me about that, there's no WAY I'd believe that.

While I thought that the World Series scene was a good way to prove that the Others do get information about the outside world, I thought they could have chosen something different. I believe that the Others would be concerned about who gets elected (Ben told Jack that Bush was re-elected) but I don't think they would show as much enthusiasm in baseball (or sports in general) as Ben showed.

"No really, they were down 3 games to none and won 8 straight." You really have to be a fan of baseball to understand the signifigance of coming back from 0-3 to win a series. Maybe it's just nitpicking, but it kind of bugged me. I'm sure the audience appreciated the use of the Red Sox example, but I just don't think the Others would have a very large interest in sports. Ben especially, since he was born on the island. He wouldn't have been surrounded or exposed to the craziness that surrounds Red Sox fans, so why would he be so enthused?

-Tamerlain

Just to nitpick a little, he didn't actually say that. He said he'd lived on this island all his life.

Yeah, but that's the thing. This island isn't as isolated as we've thought. Ben is clearly up on current events, very much part of the world. Maybe he IS a Sox fan! That's what's so shocking about that scene; there's a video tape on this island of a TV broadcast of an event that made major world news since the crash. According to Jack's understanding of the island, that should be impossible.

I have noticed this as well Frossbyte and maybe the writers are doing this to show the others reactions and behaviors toward certain actions or events.

I like your description Fresnelly of the others hierarchy. I think we have seen examples of this when Sawyer fought against several of the middle management crew.


I would like to know if they have several psychologists analyzing the personalities and behaviors of each Lostie and what the individual who do in certain situations. We do know Ben likes to observe and test people to see how far he can go before the person cracks.

Agreed. That was the game he was playing in the Armory.

I think we can pretty much count on the Others to be at least three steps ahead of the Losties at every point.

Ah yes, that's right. I watched that part again. That makes his Red Sox news more important since he would have (most likely) come to the island with people who hadn't been there before. So perhaps that's where his interest in baseball comes from.

I don't have season 2 on my computer and I'm at school so I can't check, so I might get this wrong. The only time Ben seemed to be caught off guard was when Anna-Lucia came back from looking for his air balloon and had ID that proved he wasn't who he said he was. If I remember correctly there was supposed to be an ambush there? I agree that Ben always seems to be 3 steps ahead of the Lost, but I think it will be his undoing at some point.

-Tamerlain

When the Others have their undoing, say, sometime around the season finale :D, I'll bet it will have less to do with underestimating the Lost, than overestimating their own. The Lost have been behaving like wounded animals, lashing out violently, acting on base human instinct, while the Others are disciplined and believe themselves to be enlightened in some way. In just about every confrontation between the two groups, the Others make some offer based on trust, and the Lost fight back single mindedly. Sun shooting the Woman on the boat is the latest drastic example.

I believe Ben and Juliette are psychiatrists or psychcologists by training, who hope to save the Lost from themselves, by bringing them around to, well, their philosophy hasn't been revealed just yet, but clearly they want them to give in and listen.

And yet, we've seen hints of discord among their group, and the cracks are beginning to show. I think that over the course of this season, we'll see their intellectual discipline break down under the strain, and they'll begin to act more like the feral Lost. The Lost will drag them down, rather than be dragged up.

Here's a wild prediction: By the end of this season, (setting up the next) the two groups will have completely broken apart and formed new alliances - One mixed tribe of Others and Lost opposing the other. I see Ben and Jack leading one with Sawyer and Juliette leading the second. Egads, how can Kate choose?!? Sun Vs. Jin! Eko vs. Sayeed! We can even have another catastrophic sci-fi machina as either the catalyst or endgame. The mind boggles.

Oh, man I can't remember the last TV show to get me speculating like this. What a great show!:)

Interesting theory, fresnelly, and I could totally see that happening :)

Fun analysis on this last episode guys, keep it coming. :)

I've got a question, though... my memory is hazy, but weren't we led to believe that Sun was planning to meet her English teacher in Sydney, but decided at the last moment to stay with Jin? If I remember right, it seemed pretty clear that the teacher (or his driver or something) was all ready to meet her, and there was no indication that he had died. I liked the flashback of this past epsiode, but it seems like a stretch for it to jive with the previous flashbacks.

Sun & Jin have long had been the subjects of my favorite flashbacks, so I'm just trying to get their stories straight.

I think this week was the first hint we've had that the English teacher wanted to run away with her. This was the first week we've really had their affair confirmed out loud--it was hinted with a look in an the episode where she revealed her pregnancy, but this was the first time they were actually in bed together.

The impression I always got was that she was going to leave Jinn in Sydney and start a life on her own. Given that her lover was dead by the time they left for the Sydney-LA trip, I think that probably was her plan.

Desmond either saw the, or came from the future...

And then came back naked, like the Terminator.

I agree, but after the massive implosion of the hatch, did Demsond get taken into the future by the electromagnetic explosion or can he now predict the future because of what he did in the hatch by turning the switch releasing the electromagnetic energy, which then threw out the trio into the wild un-harmed for a brief moment?

I'm guessing his talent will be fleeting. It would be too convenient otherwise. I like that Hurley is effected by this and I look forward to more of him and Desmond interacting.

Tonights episode was great: Lots of action, an intriguing flashback, and it caught us up on some of the other main characters. The Polar Bear was a bonus.

In Canada, Lost is broadcast on two channels: ABC and CTV, which adds its own Canadian commercials and promos. Interstingly, each has different previews for next week's episodes.

While the ABC promo showed Ben torturing Sawer and questioning Kate's feelings for him, here's what the CTV promo had:

Kate has escaped and is trying to free Sawyer from his cage. He is pleading with her to leave him and run. (Time is running out!) Then we see Ben leading Sawyer up a hill on the island because he wants to show him something. Whatever it is, Sawyer looks gobsmacked. Honolulu perhaps? :D

Badass Locke is back!

One of the themes the producers were exploring last year is the notion that the hatch changes people--they get down there and they're not who they were outside. It's good to see Locke getting his groove back after the implosion.

I was not in love with last nights episode. As far as I am concerned, the whole polar bear story line is trash because it makes the story seem fake, and cheesy. I didn't even care for Lockes backstory. I didn't buy into it. I know there's gonna be a bunch more episodes like this one bc they can't spent the whole of season iii with the others....

But now we know where the bears came from--they're ex-Dharma, from the cage Sawyer's now in.

And geez, the other mysteries that got brought up! The dumptruck in the bear's cave! Desmond can see the future (or something)!

I should know this, but what was with the dumptruck in the bears cave? I missed the relevance of that.

Far as I know, we've never seen it before.

I liked the episode. It was intriguing, I liked the backstory (although I have a question...Locke says bad things happen to those that hang out with him...does he have further contact with the cop, or was the bad things that happen the fact that the pot business went up in flames), and it was good to see Locke as a take charge guy again. Next week's episode looks like it's going to be a good one too.

I must have missed the thing about Desmond seeing the future.. can anyone refresh my memory?

When Hurley runs into Desmond in the forest, Hurley says that the Others have Jack, Kate and Sawyer but that they (the Losties) are not supposed to go finding them. Desmond responds that Locke already has and talked about it in his speech. Hurley is totally confused and just stares at Desmond, so Desmond backtracks, saying something about how he must be confused or mixed up.

At the very end of the episode, we see Locke making the speech while Hurley looks on and Desmond throws rocks into the ocean in the background.

Again, I dislike that in this season they're having to focus on just one aspect of the story at a time instead of having them woven together, but I have to admit I don't see a very effective alternative way of doing it. That being said, I love badass Locke, even if the flashback was not one of the best. Can't wait to see the excitement in store next week. That looks like it's shaping up to be a killer episode.

Pretty good episode. I wonder at what point in his past Locke becomes crippled? I'm kind of surprised that it's been this long and we haven't found that out.

Did anyone else catch in the beginning that when Locke picks up the Jesus stick, he isn't wearing a backpack, but when they switch shots and show his face he has straps on his shoulders? That's the first continuity error I've noticed since I started watching.

Not to state the obvious, but I think Locke will have an important role to play in rescuing Jack, Sawyer and Kate from the Others because he won't be intimidated by them. He takes his cues from the island itself (so he believes) so the games the Others play won't have much effect on him. Especially now that he is rounding back into his old form.

-Tamerlain

Is anyone else pissed that we're only going to get six episodes and then we have to wait until 2007?

The break is a bit of a drag, but I bet the Sixth episode is going to be a real corker. It'll be like having an extra season finale and premier.

Also: No reruns. :thumbsup:

I didn't see it so much as Desmond knowing the future... but instead Desmond being aware of some sort of 'script' that each of the Losties is playing into, without them knowing it.

Something along the lines of the psychological experiments driving the Losties to do some particular actions; in Locke's case, giving that speech. And Desmond has some (new?) insider information on it. Maybe?

Sawyer was owned by the best con-artist's around, The Others. Yet Benjamin and crew do not have the best medical supplies around to help save one of their own. And one of the others, possibly Ben, might have a tumor in his spine, oh NOES!