Rekna

Ok so Locke is going to use the C4 to blow up part of the compound (or maybe the sub?). I don't think Locke wants to leave the island so he is going to sabotage it. Well this episode was good I'm annoyed with what Locke is about to do. Locke is now taking the path of Michael and screwing everyone else over for his own good. Not even Sawyer does that. Also how many more times are they going to pull the Desmond saving Charlie plot? They have set it up so they can keep on doing it but it will get old....

absorbentishe

The first thing I though of when they went over the fence was, how are they going to get back over? Locke is a moron at times. I think Jack's dad is in somehow on the Dharma stuff, after watching Wed's show. I really don't like the Charlie/Desmond stuff, let if go for a little.

On a side note, a friend said that TV Guide had some spoilers in it last week. Did anyone read it?? I guess I really don't want to, I just want to watch and see what happens.

Rekna

Here is what my tv guide says.



Also the previews for next week episode revealed some tidbits of information.

ratbastid

Also, the "next time on" strongly implied that Spoiler: we'll find out why Locke was in a wheelchair, and it will be Ben that reveals that.

Tamerlain

I always forget that we don't know how Locke was paralyzed... would be nice if we were finally told instead of being continually teased about it.

Great episode, the ending with Jack making a run for it was wonderfully directed.

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Grasshopper Green

Someone said Jack's father has ties with 5 others....I come up with Jack, Claire, Sawyer, and Ana Lucia...who am I missing?

It's definitely weird that he has had encounters with so many people on the island...

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ratbastid

It's certainly weird inside the "woo woo" mythology of the show, but it's not all that weird from a narrative point of view. Jack is still the "main character" and the nominal leader of the group. Links to Jack are of high narrative value (higher than a link to, say, Rose, for instance). And the easiest way for the writers to link a character to Jack but not have Jack know about the link is to go through Christian.

What's weirder, IMO, is the overtly, well, Christian overtones of the name "Christian Shepherd".

radioguy

see, i didn't like this episode...yet ANOTHER twist to it...claire/jack possible siblings. oh well...i'll still watch it because it's a good show, i just didn't care for this weeks episode...

fresnelly

Ooh. Good one!

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Grasshopper Green

I guess I've come to expect the twists...but this satisfied 2 questions for me. I noticed when Jack's father visited the woman in Australia and asked "to see her"...I suspected at that time he wanted to see Claire. Now I know why. It also somewhat clears the air as to why Christian might be in Australia...he has ties there. I just hope they keep answering some of the older puzzles (hopefully next week they will!)

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Rekna

At the end of last season there was the huge twist where penny found the something important. However, that twist has never been addressed in this season. Do you think they just decided to drop that plot line?

Tamerlain

Not a chance they dropped that plot line. I think they're waiting to progress Desmond's ESP powers a little further before they reintroduce Penny.

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Rekna

I guess they could still be holding on it. Last episode they reveled it has only been 2 weeks since this season began.

Jove

The mystery of why Locke was in a wheelchair is over. I suppose being thrown out of a window and falling 8 stories will break your back.

I am glad Locke blew up the sub because now the others are screwed and might revolt against the leader, Ben!

Do you think that is really Locke's dad in the holding area, or do you think it is another trick? What do you think Locke is going to do, shoot him or get all sappy and say

"Why did you do it dad, why!?!

fresnelly

Having Locke's Dad captured was a great twist because is shows how far reaching the Others' parent organization is. They were able to track down and abduct this slick conman from whoknowswhere just to turn the screws on Locke. Sweet!

One of the themes of the show is the choice of giving into vengance or forgiveness; a decision that Locke must now confront in earnest.

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ratbastid

IMO it was an EXCELLENT episode. Best of the season. Maybe better than any since Season 1.

I'm so glad shit's happening again!

Ample

I'm thinkin' that Locke's pop is the head honcho of the "others" and him in the holding area is just a ploy

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the_marq

Did he blow up the sub really? We see him inside the sub with the explosives, then the it cuts away. The next time we see Locke he is strolling down the pier, soaking wet as if he had been swimming in his clothes. Then the others show up, there's shouting, machismo... yadda yadda yadda. Then BOOM. Something blows up a few hundred metres away.

Why would Locke have been swimming to plant the bomb? Unless he happened to have a couple magnets there would be no way to attach the bomb securely to the outside of the boat. It would have been far easier to blow it up from the inside.

Theory: he piloted the sub away a few hundred meteres then swam back to the dock and then blew up some random debris to make it appear the sub is gone, when in fact it's just parked down the beach.

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Grasshopper Green

After a slow start, this season is kicking ass. I'm so glad that the writers are starting to answer some of the questions instead of just bringing new ones up.

I'm a bit anxious for next week's episode though, since preview said someone dies...and I'm kind of attached to the remaining characters.

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ratbastid

Right! You think Desmond finally slips and lets Charlie get away?

filtherton

I think charlie's the one character who i wouldn't really miss.

Who thinks that locke's dad scammed sawyer's mother?

Frosstbyte

Charlie is WAY too obvious to be offed. There's no way it'll be him, but that does leave it very unclear who it is going to be. Hurley might be a potential candidate, if only because-while something of a fan favorite-he has little UMPH to add to the main storyline. I'd say Rodrigo Santoro or the newly introduced chick would be likely targets, but they haven't been on the show much for anyone to really care. Alternately, that might be a sufficient amount. If the grave weren't at the Losties' camp, I think I would be putting my money on Juliet, since she seems like she could be ripe to go with no more means of escape from the island.

Overall, a VERY interesting episode this week. Ben continues to be one of the best written and acted TV characters that I have ever seen. Michael Emerson's face and voice are so perfect and expressive. I love watching him work everyone just as he sees fit, and constantly marvel at how much he says with a single look. Note, also, that now Ben does not have to give up Kate, Sayid and Locke because Jack never left the island. Flawless, perfect.

Locke has gone from one of my most to one of my least favorite characters. The rugged, quiet idealist of season 1 has given way to someone very dark and selfish and horrible. As we learn more about him, I can't blame him for being that way, but it's not been a pleasant or particularly entertaining transformation to watch.

Jove

I wasn't expecting Locke to know how to pilot a sub, since I would assume it would be a tricky thing to maneuver.

Rekna

I don't think 1 person could pilot a sub.

I don't think the others will revolt against Ben. Ben has everyone exactly where he wants them.

The person who dies is definitely not Hurly and not Rose. In the preview they showed them burying someone and that someone was a skinny white person wearing jean shorts. I couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman but it did kind of look more like a womans body.

I think Locke's dad is the same man who conned Sawyers parents.

Now we are going to have a new escape plan but this time I bet Juliet and Alex will probably be in on it.

I'm betting we will either have an Alex or Rauseeu episode soon.

Ample

I thought it was odd how Alex didn't ask Ben or even Locke any question about her mom, after Sayid told her that "she looked like her" and "I'm sure that's what they told you". I know if my mom was dead and someone that I didn't know told me that I looked like her I would ask my "dad" about it, or the guy that was with the guy who told her. And how come Danielle didn't approach Alex when she saw her?

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Rekna

she is afraid how she will act. She talked about being quite last episode i believe. She told Sayid that she was afraid that she wouldn't even recognize her.

Tamerlain

Awesome episode, and I'm happy like everyone else that long-standing questions are finally being answered.

Locke's dad being the one who conned Sawyer's mom is likely, since it fits with the theme of everyone on the island being connected. Will be interesting once those "outside" characters and the ones on the island start to realize the connections.

Locke doesn't seem too... tricky (?) enough to have piloted the sub out to sea and then blown up the dock to make it look like the sub was destroyed. I don't think it fits with his character. He's very one-track-minded once he gets an idea in his head.

Is it just me or do the Others seem like they're becoming easier to get along with? I didn't expect Jack to be buddy-buddy with Ben just because they have a deal. And I certainly didn't expect Ben to agree to release Kate and Sayid.

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Grasshopper Green

Jack playing nice doesn't seem to fit his personality so far, although Ben agreeing to release Kate and Sayid when he knew full well that John was going to blow the sub up seems par for course IMO.

I'm really intrigued to found out why Locke's dad is on the island. I hadn't even thought of him being the one that conned Sawyer's mom, although it seems very likely given the fact that so many of the characters are interconnected.

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Lokus

Well I can see Jack and Juliet getting along pretty well, they do have a 'thing' going on. Ted also seems a likeable enough guy. I don't think Jack and Ben get along that well though, Jack looked really suspicious leaving Ben's house. He should be too, the only reason Ben agreed to let Sayid and Kate go is because he knew that Locke would blow up the submarine. Notice how he says he'll let them go "as soon as you're off the island." Everything works out for Ben now, Jack, Sayid, Kate, Locke and Juliet stay on the island permanently.

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ratbastid

What were the names Locke's dad has used? When they were both mentioned this week, I noted the similarity of them. Are they similar to "Sawyer"?

pmb145

I think Locke might turn out to be the villian of the show. I know its been thought before.. but the way everything has been playing out, it seems he cares only about the Island. I keep thinking back to the time he touched Walt and Walt freaked.

Daoust

If the sub was the only way for them to get off the Island, as Ben said, then where did Walt and his dad go? What happened to them? Forgot about that, didn't ya?

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Tamerlain

They took the Others' power boat. It was small, and the island everyone is on is - presumably - in the middle of the ocean. I don't think that small boat would get Walt and Michael very far and I think they will be back.

There is, however, still Desmond's sail boat. The Others confiscated it from Sayid, Jin and Sun in the last episode last season and - again, presumably - they still have it somewhere.

So now we're down to 1 way off the island. But we have to think Penny (Desmond's girl) will make an appearance soon with the cavalry...

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Rekna

It has only been 2 weeks since Michael left. I've heard he is coming back next season.

Grasshopper Green

I don't remember, unfortunately. He seems to be a very slick conman though, I wouldn't be surprised if he used a new identity for all of his victims.

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guthmund

Anthony Cooper and Adam Seward were the two names, if I remember correctly.

Was that Anna Lucia's mother talking to Locke in the hospital?

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ratbastid

Seward is pretty close to Sawyer...

Rekna

I think Charlie is going to die this week. Sun is going to find out that Charlie was the one that kidnapped her not the others and either she or Jin is going to kill him.

Tamerlain

I totally forgot about Charlie kidnapping Sun. Your scenario would be an interesting way to tie up that lose end.

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Rekna

I thought tonights episode was pretty lame but the ending was good. I hope they aren't really dead. If they are dead then the episode was basically a filler. No plot advancement and no character backstory. This episode reminds me of recap episodes of sitcoms where they bring back stuff from old episodes to create the new episode (like friends thanksgiving episode, ect).