SpikeQX99

I dont' watch the show at all, but I was reading the MySpace page for my old high school.. And it a big WOW!! That Brad made the show.. then they were all bummed out when he got canned.

I remember him playing QB on the Varsity football team and all. Would't have imagined he would have gone on to fashion design. Funny how things in life happen to work out.

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Derwood

Dumb move by Jonathan? I'm on the fence here. Nate was done either way, as Yul would have pulled the immunity idol at the vote. Now Yul hasn't shown the idol and jonathan is going to get the brunt of it. Smart move on his part.

If Yul wasn't so loyal, his next smart move would simply be to throw a vote at Jonathan along with the old Raro. The farther he can go without showing the idol the better.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Jonathan got booted next week, and after his torch was snuffed, he looked over his shoulder and said "oh, by the way, Yul has the idol?"

Not really, cuz i'm rooting for Yul (or Ozzy) to win at this point.

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Daval

I love these types of changes to the game (meaning Johnathan pulling the betrayal again). Nate, who I used to like, went out like a whiny bitch. Good riddance.

Go Yul & Ozzy go!

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*Nikki*

I can't stand Jonathan and hope he goes next. I think part of the reason I dislike him so much is that my mother in law loves him

Derwood

but jonathan is good for the show because he changes things up. the people you want to get rid of are the becky's and candace's of the game, as they do nothing but follow along with what everyone else does. The show is SO much more fun when you have people like Cao Boi, Jonathan, etc. in there.

The worst finale ever was when it was Neleh vs. Vecepia, as neither had done anything to get to the final two but do what someone else told them to do

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Ace_O_Spades

Then Yul could just give the idol to ozzy

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Derwood

The dumbest thing about last episode was when Jonathan was trying to convince Candace/Adam not to vote for Yul (re: he might have the idol). They were just "no, I don't think he does."

Ok look, there are only 4 people left in the game who have been to Exile Island. Hey Candace do you have it? no. Do you have it Adam? No. I (Jonathan) don't have it. Wonder who does?

Dumbasses

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Ace_O_Spades

Possibly nobody... But it's fair to assume that someone must have found it by now I guess

It's starting to get interesting... Tonight's episode could dictate a lot of what happens for the rest of the series

The balance of power is shifting!!!

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Derwood

that was the most deliciously tense, uncomfortable, awkward episode ever. i loved every minute of it

Yul has an uphill battle here. the ENTIRE jury is ex-Raro people at this point

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ShaniFaye

I really enjoyed last nite...one of the best in awhile. I cant remember enjoying one like that since Johnny Fairplay's infamous deception hehehe

I hated Adam got immunity, I'd really liked to have seen HIM out. They have let Jonathon stay long enuff now that the smart thing to do would be to take him to the end cause everybody hates him so much.

Still rootin for Ozzy!!!

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Mister Coaster

/Joining topic late, but have watched every episode...

All I have to say is Jonathan is my HERO! He is the ONLY one who completely understands the game (at least up to the final jury) in its entirity. It's all about numbers, exploiting weakness, and most of all, TIMING! True that if he makes it to the final 2, he probably won't get the jury vote, BUT he could always attempt to exploit the fact that he had been playing, playing, playing and therefore should get some votes. He is actually playing very much like Richard Hatch. BTW, has anyone else notised that Jonathan's voice sounds exactly like Alan Alda?

About Yul, he has also played well, and the use of the idol served him well. Even by showing it to Becky early, that GUARANTEED that he would have at least one person that would be with him 100% to the end, or at least until he decided it was time for her to go.

Ozzy is a great competitor, but he will be voted out before Jonathan, he's too strong physcially, and nobody will attempt to vote off Yul because he has shown the idol. Everyone else is just cannon fodder up to the final 4.

Great season so far...

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Ace_O_Spades

The thing is... Johnathan becomes a very viable person to want to take to the final 2 because it's a guaranteed win

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balderdash111

Is it possible Jonathan is playing for second prize at this point? He knows he's pissed off the jury, but second prize is still a bunch of cash as I recall, so maybe he's shooting for that now.

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fresnelly

Good call! I was thinking Casey Casem.

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*Nikki*

Why would Yul tell everyone he has the idol?? I don't see how the hell this is going to benefit him.

Daval

I think it will benefit him because people will not waste there vote on him knowing he will be immune (which automatically means the second highest vote person leaves) which would be one of the people who voted for Yul.

Even though he doesnt have to use the idol, it effectively makes him safe.

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Miss Mango

Was anybody else completely annoyed by Candice getting all snippy because the other team wasnt sharing the food that THEY caught?

It was, very much, a case of someone laying around and waiting to be fed- like Jonathon said. I dont like him, but he had a point there.

If you had no help in catching the food, no help in preparing the food, and youre laying in a tent smooching with your boyfriend and your friend- and then get pissy because you didnt get included in mealtime? Open up your eyes. Sheeminy.

I like Parvati, but I hate that she was so dumb about the idol. And I love Yul, but it seemed like he was just showing it off almost to gloat... Im not sure why he did it. But whatever.

Mister Coaster

Yul used the idol brilliantly. By showing it to Jonathan, and threatening Jonathan with the vote, he managed to swing the balance of power to his group. As long as that group stays true, that brings him to the final 4, at which point the idol no longer can be used. He figured (correctly) that after the vote that Jonatahn would tell the others that Yul had idol. Now that the cat is out of the bag, he went ahead and showed it to everyone, like Daval said, no votes will be cast his way because everyone knows they would be wasted.

All that adds up to a better use of it than simply keeping it hidden and playing it at tribal one time only.

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Derwood

also, if Yul wins immunity, they have to worry about him giving it to Ozzy or someone else. It really makes Raro's voting strategy tough.

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Ace_O_Spades

I'm pretty sure Yul is going to win at this point... He deserves to anyway... He's played everyone in the game.

Go YUL!

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Derwood

Well, the show just got a lot less interesting.

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silent_jay

I love how Adam bring integrity into the game, it's like he forgets that a million dollars is on the line. I guess he thinks looking good is more important than getting the money. I think Jonathan has played a great game, sure he's deceived everyone, but he's done all he can to get the money.

I couldn't agree more Derwood, the game just got a lot less interesting.

But hopefully Yul or Ozzy wins it all now, they've played a strong game, Yul especially.

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Ace_O_Spades

Well, from the preview for next week, it looks to be a crazy show... Will Ozzy flip over to Adam's side? I don't see him biting on that one for some reason, but who knows, stranger shit has happened.

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Mister Coaster

Well my hero is gone. For once the banishment to exile island really was played well and he got the boot as a direct result of that. Oh well, he was fun to watch, and I loved how pissed off everyone got when he was around.

As for the rest of the game, it's a toss up between Ozzy and Yul, and it makes no sence whatsoever for them to be in an alliance with eachother now. They are obviously the 2 strongest, with Ozzy being the best performer in physical challenges. Yul needs to make a play to vote off Ozzy while his immunity idol is still playable, but he seems like "too nice" of a guy to try that. Adam is the dark horse that could pull off something big if he can get someone to swing.

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Derwood

voting off Jonathan at this point was just really, really dumb. Vote him off when you're up 5-1, not 5-2. Now it's 4-2, giving someone (read: Ozzy) a chance to flip the game again. Bad move by Yul.

Problem is, it's this point in the game that people always get caught up in "who deserves to win" instead of "I deserve to win, this is what I need to do to make that happen"

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warrrreagl

Stupid, stupid, stupid move!

Hitler in the final two would win against Jonathan, so how in the HELL can they vote him out??!!

Also, the smugness of the jury is really starting to piss me off, and I feel like the Survivors are dumb enough to let the jury influence how they vote. How will Jonathan's presence on the jury affect the jury's dynamics?

Ozzy may be the greatest single player I've ever seen on this show.

Yul needs to be slapped.

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kutulu

Yul did what he needed to do and continues to impress me. Somewhere along the line Yul got pinned as the ringleader for the controlling tribe. The minority tribe told him straight up, get rid of Jonathan now or YOU will be the one held responsible in the final two.

Ozzy has been amazing at challenges but that is just a portion of the game. He has showed very little in the way of getting along with others and influencing the game.

Derwood

Someone needs to write a doctoral thesis on Survivor and what it shows about our society. I find it very interesting that after 13 seasons we have yet to see a woman be the person calling the shots. Every time a man wins the show, it's because he was strong, good at challenges, played the game, etc. Every time a woman wins, it's because she was flying under the radar, etc.

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ShaniFaye

Im confused.....we have 6 people left, I realize tonite we'll prob be down to 5 (unless they do a "oh you have to vote two people off thing" How in the world is the finale Sunday nite?

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warrrreagl

I can't figre out that one, either.

And that damn hidden immunity idol has GOT to go next season. There have been two seasons now which were essentially decided after only three or four weeks. I liked it the very first time when they simply said "It's hidden somewhere," and everybody was looking and digging like crazy. No clues, please.

Also, I always thought that the holder of the hidden idol could simply pass it over to anyone after the vote - but Jeff has said a couple of things that make me believe it must be in someone's exclusive possession BEFORE the vote. Does anybody know?

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kutulu

This is only the second season for the hidden idol and remember that the dude that won it last time never even needed it. He also didn't win.

Something is up with either tonight's episode or the one on Sunday. There has always been 7 people on the jury. So far there are already 6 people on the jury with four more to be eliminated. They won't end up with an even number on the Jury, so something odd will have to happen.

Daval

From what I've heard there will be 3 finalists.

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Troublebot

Dear Jeff Probst:

You're the host of a reality game show. Yes, you do a good job and I usually enjoy seeing you on my TV screen, but these last few shows you've left a bitter taste in my mouth.

Why all the Jonathon hate? It's very clear to viewers that you don't like him. Yeah, he seems kinda bossy and long winded, but certainly not deserving of the ire you seem to be spewing forth. I know we don't see everything happening between you and the contestants, but I doubt he's anymore loathsome that some of the cornballs you've had on the show. If you act this way towards him, why didn't we every see you physically beating on Jonny Fairplay? (THAT, I would have liked to see.)

Jonathon's a good player. Yes, he's filpped back and forth on who he's loyal to, but is this the first time we've seen this? He played the game the way everyone should- for himself. Only idiots are suprised when they're backstabbed on a reality TV show. He's one of the "cleanest" players we've seen in this game since Richard Hatch. The conversations between Yul and Jonathon were a joy to behold. It was all about game. "I may not trust you completely, but I know what you're thinking in this game and we can work together." Such a refreshing change from the petty, "I thought we were buddies." style of gameplay we see from everyone else.

I don't know what happened Jeff, but you didn't seem to like Jonathon. You were more than happy to call him out during competitions, including clueing everyone into his wife's strategy in the water/flag competition. Suddenly, everyone else was doing the same thing too and Jonathon and his wife lost. Is that your job, Probst?

Speaking of Jonathon and his wife, it really ticked you off that he went over and kissed her goodbye before leaving for Exile Island and didn't ask your permission, didn't it? I think that's what it came down to out there Jeff, he didn't kiss your ass just the way you liked and you had a little snit. Someone doesn't recognize you as the god of Survivor and it puts your panties in a great big wad, doesn't it?

I was even willing to let all that lie until last night, when you berated Yul for bringing back Jonathon's hat. What the hell burrowed up your ass Jeff? Is it possible that Yul was doing something nice for someone else, nothing more? Why do you have to go and hamstring the guy? It's not your game Jeff, it's their's. If they aren't smart enough to see the subtle things that are going on (and Adam, I'm looking right at you), then I really don't think it's your place to point them out. You did more than your share in getting Jonathon knocked out, don't go doing the same thing to Yul.

Jeff, you're the host. You give the viewer a touchstone, a common sense of what they're watching. You raise questions at tribal council and you snuff out the torch at the end of the show. YOU DO NOT EFFECT THE COURSE OF THE GAME. Actions like what we've seen this season will send you back to Rock and Roll Jeopardy.

Your friend,

Troublebot

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Derwood

I think Jeff is instructed by the producers to stir certain pots, and the Jonathan hat thing was one of them. Why else would they specifically show Yul deciding to bring the hat to tribal council?

Ozzy was smart to stick with the four. He needs to hedge his bets to get to the final four and flipping on Aitu isn't the way to do that.

I think I predicted very early in this thread that there would be a final 3.

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*Nikki*

I can't wait until Sunday night!!

Mister Coaster

Pretty predictable episode. Ozzy wins the challenges, one of the outsiders gets the boot.

Troublebot, you voice your opinions upon observations very well, but I think you are reading a lot farther into Probst's comments than you should be. Jeff always calls out the peole who flip alliances or stir up emotions of the other survivors. Plus it was obvious (at least in the way they edited the episodes together) that everyone either didn't like, didn't trust or simply was putt off by Jonathan. He was merely bring it to light at tribal. And I didn't think for a second that Probst was being snide or pissy when Jonathan kissed his wife, just made a comment. I don't know, but I didn't see anything wrong with his actions.

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fresnelly

You know, if I were an ambitious TV producer, I would build an entire show revolving around Mud-Pit and Hot Tub shenanigans. Why haven't they come up with this sooner? It's too bad they cut the footage of Yul, Ozzie and Pavarti's all-night threesome. "We bonded allright." indeed.

Seriously though, the Aitu alliance was right to stick together. Also, the tribal council flap over Johnathan's hat was just silly. It was a decent thing to do, altruistic or not.

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Derwood

remember also that tribal council takes up to 2 hours to film, and then they edit it down to 3 minutes or so, so Jeff asked a ton of other questions, but the producers decided to focus on the jonathan stuff

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Derwood

Yep, just needed to brag about how right I was

But seriously, good final challenges, and I'm pleased with the results. Rarely do you see the two best players make it to the finals. Congrats to Yul and I can't wait until next season!

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Daval

I was pretty happy with the outcome. I was rooting for Yul over Ozzy, whereas my wife was going for Ozzy. The only person I knew who was going for Becky was my daughter and thats only because she's still at the 'boys are icky faze'

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