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dlish · 04-01-2009, 09:00 PM

the idea of failed states in this economic environment is not unforeeable, but at the same time, down right scary!

poor african countries would be the prime example, but so could a handful of other european and south american countries too.

the thought of having the populace take things into their own hands without a legislative framework makes me shudder.

what effects do you guys see as this having on world economics?

the quote in the final paragraph rings so true. if the banks fail, and the governments falter, its quite easy to see a weak government fall to its knees. what kind of threats do we see emerging as a result of this?

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The global economic crisis threatens to create failed states, UN secretary general warns

The global economic crisis threatens to create failed states, UN secretary general warns | News.com.au Top stories | News.com.au

UN chief Ban Ki-moon has warned that failing to act to halt the global economic crisis could lead to widespread social unrest and failed states, ahead of the G20 crisis summit in London.

"What began as a financial crisis has become a global economic crisis,'' the UN secretary general wrote in an article in today's Guardian newspaper in Britain.

"I fear worse to come - a full-blown political crisis defined by growing social unrest, weakened governments and angry publics who have lost all faith in their leaders and their own future.''

He said the global economic downturn affected the poorest countries the most, and noted that in these countries "things fall apart alarmingly fast''.

"Unless we build a worldwide recovery we face a looming catastrophe in human development,'' Mr Ban wrote.

World leaders meet in London today to decide how to tackle the global financial crisis, but are divided on whether to boost the world economy with an injection of capital, or to focus on new rules to prevent another such crisis.

Mr Ban called for a "truly global stimulus'' package, and argued that developing countries need $US1 trillion over 2009 and 2010.

He added: "There is a thin line between failing banks and failing countries, and we cross it at our peril.''

inBOIL · 04-01-2009, 10:20 PM

There's opportunity for positive reform in a state's failing, but this will almost certainly be squandered by outside interference.

flstf · 04-02-2009, 06:49 AM

Throughout history failed states or I should say governments are the natural order of things. It seems like those in power cannot help themselves from being or becoming corrupt. The trick is for leaders and polititians to enrich themselves, their families and friends without destroying the system but they usually are too greedy and can't figure out how before it is too late.

girldetective · 04-02-2009, 12:28 PM

I see a place for old Colonialism here but without the exploitation. Instead more of a sort of big sister/little sister sort of thing. It could become a competition between the larger, richer nations to see who could get their little country going full strength with the GNP, education, infrastructure, etc. An assholeish thought perhaps, but one that might work.

Cynthetiq · 04-02-2009, 12:32 PM

interesting perspective GD, a buddy system. It worked in SE Asia in the 90s if I recall.

I'm thinking that there's part of evolution for this as a wise person reminded me, in order for something to evolve, something has to die.

lostgirl · 04-02-2009, 12:55 PM

I just want to quote a lot of Dune and Children of Dune right now.

04-01-2009, 10:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
inBOIL I have eaten the slaw	There's opportunity for positive reform in a state's failing, but this will almost certainly be squandered by outside interference. __________________ And you believe Bush and the liberals and divorced parents and gays and blacks and the Christian right and fossil fuels and Xbox are all to blame, meanwhile you yourselves create an ad where your kid hits you in the head with a baseball and you don't understand the message that the problem is you.

04-02-2009, 12:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
girldetective sufferable	I see a place for old Colonialism here but without the exploitation. Instead more of a sort of big sister/little sister sort of thing. It could become a competition between the larger, richer nations to see who could get their little country going full strength with the GNP, education, infrastructure, etc. An assholeish thought perhaps, but one that might work. __________________ As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons...be cheerful; strive for happiness - Desiderata

04-02-2009, 12:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	interesting perspective GD, a buddy system. It worked in SE Asia in the 90s if I recall. I'm thinking that there's part of evolution for this as a wise person reminded me, in order for something to evolve, something has to die. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

04-02-2009, 06:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
flstf Easy Rider Location: Moscow on the Ohio	Throughout history failed states or I should say governments are the natural order of things. It seems like those in power cannot help themselves from being or becoming corrupt. The trick is for leaders and polititians to enrich themselves, their families and friends without destroying the system but they usually are too greedy and can't figure out how before it is too late.

04-02-2009, 12:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
lostgirl lightform Location: Edge of the deep green sea	I just want to quote a lot of Dune and Children of Dune right now.