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BugLover · 08-04-2005, 04:36 PM

How long is too long for a mature couple in a committed relationship not to have sex (not counting medical issues)?

Sugar&Spice · 08-04-2005, 04:58 PM

When I was in a relationship we would have sex almost everyday. Sometimes we'd be too tired so that would get moved to every other day. If I find myself in another committed relationship I would hope to be having sex at least 3 times a week.

HoneyPot · 08-04-2005, 05:05 PM

Ofcourse sex is important in a relationship. Especially in a committed one because of the question of sexuality. You think because its been a while since you did the deed, they are no longer attracted to you, but in reality they are focusing more on things such as emotion... which is awesome. Sex is not everything...a true loving relationship is whats important.

raeanna74 · 08-04-2005, 05:16 PM

Hubby and I kindof go through phases. There are a LOT of daily things that get in the way of sex. Kids are at the top of the list. Health problems get in the way almost more often than some people who aren't in a relationship may realize. Too tired, achy, worked too hard, sore muscles, colds, flu, injuries, childbirth (this takes about a month for some people to get back from), and so many other things. A key though is a desire for physical intimacy of some sort. Intimacy that is purely animal animal sexuality takes a lot of physical stamina at times. Sometimes there is just a need to cuddle. Hubby and I have been needing a lot of that lately and fairly often lately that's all it is. There are other times we do enjoy sex and we do often but there are times when you NEED something else instead. There is really no SET time that it's normal to go without sex. I would feel like something was missing if hubby and I didn't snuggle, kiss, or hug some throughout the day. We can go for a week without sex but if we go a day without giving a hug or kiss then SOMEBODY is gonna say "What's wrong?'

shesus · 08-04-2005, 06:48 PM

Well, it depends on my mood and the situation, but 3-6 days is the longest. I get very irritable and aggressive after 5 days. However, when the stress gets high and I get so tired I fall asleep upon sitting down, I can go longer without the irritablity and aggressiveness. Yet, I think it is different for everybody.

snowy · 08-07-2005, 04:07 PM

In a truly committed romantic relationship where there is little interference from previous committments (ie "real life") then I like to get it every 1-2 days.

However, in my current sexual relationships we are monogamous but not committed, per se, and so we can have sex anywhere from twice a week to once a month, depending on how much "real life" interferes. That is usually our biggest restriction--finding time.

getwonk'd · 08-07-2005, 08:58 PM

Hubby and I can go a few months without it. I really have no interest in sex lately. I am extremely attracted to my husband and he is the love of my life but sex just isn't a priority. We have four kids at home and a very busy home. By the time we go to bed we just want to sleep. I find the talking and little touches to be more satisfying than having sex.

mandy · 08-08-2005, 01:25 AM

there was a time at the begining(when we started having sex) when my bf and i could not get enough of eachother, and we would go at it whenevr we could, eg, in the lounge of my house while my parents were in the room...

when that subsided, we used to have sex at least three times a week, now... unfortunately, he's been working away for the past two months.in the first month, he came down once and we had sex the whole week end, that was after three weeks

now, coming from someone who used to "get it" at least three times a week, that was a real bummer for me:-(

but then again, it's not only about the sex...but three weeks is too long a time to go without!!!

astrahl · 08-08-2005, 05:45 AM

I love coming home from work everyday and heading straight for the bed. It is a really nice way to come together after the work day.

BugLover · 08-08-2005, 04:34 PM

My husband and I haven't had sex at all this year, and we only got married last year. We're not young (late 30s), but certainly not in our dotage, either. At first, I tried initiating but was told he couldn't perform under pressure. I tried talking to him because I was concerned it could be medical, but I know he looks at porn and is aroused by it (which never bothered me). I used to find him irresistable but after nearly 8 months of physical rejection, I just don't have that spark for him like I did. He's really sweet in other ways, but without feeling like he's interested in me physically I just don't know what kind of future we have.

greeneyes · 08-08-2005, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BugLover

My husband and I haven't had sex at all this year, and we only got married last year. We're not young (late 30s), but certainly not in our dotage, either. At first, I tried initiating but was told he couldn't perform under pressure. I tried talking to him because I was concerned it could be medical, but I know he looks at porn and is aroused by it (which never bothered me). I used to find him irresistable but after nearly 8 months of physical rejection, I just don't have that spark for him like I did. He's really sweet in other ways, but without feeling like he's interested in me physically I just don't know what kind of future we have.

You just described my last relationship. I'm still dealing with feeling like I am unattractive and undesired... and it's been months and I am marrying a wonderful man who does everything to make me feel completely loved, desired, and attractive.

It isn't so much about not getting sex as it is feeling as if you have no self-worth.

sillygirl · 08-08-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by astrahl

I love coming home from work everyday and heading straight for the bed. It is a really nice way to come together after the work day.

What she said.

Sugarmouse · 08-09-2005, 12:54 AM

ideally at least everyday when i am in a happy relationship..ive never had a guy want it as much as me though!

SiN · 08-09-2005, 10:02 AM

I can't vote because I'm not in a committed relationship, or any, right now ..

but I would say that, Ideally, no more than a week, accounting for 'real life' in the way.

in other words, a usual of more-than-once-a-day to every other day or 2 ...

but if/when things just get like that, where the priorities have to adjust, I still think it would be important to a relationship to find/make the time after a week has gone by.

Minx · 08-09-2005, 11:23 AM

^^ as always, SiN is wise.

eMOTIONal20 · 08-09-2005, 12:45 PM

15-21 days. I mean, ideally, I wouldn't want to go that long without it, but I could. I think I based this more on: any longer than that, then there might be something going on in the relationship that probably should be discussed.

I am aching for some lovin' after maybe four or five days though.

08-11-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by greeneyes

You just described my last relationship. I'm still dealing with feeling like I am unattractive and undesired... and it's been months and I am marrying a wonderful man who does everything to make me feel completely loved, desired, and attractive.

It isn't so much about not getting sex as it is feeling as if you have no self-worth.

OK, am I the only dumb blonde who actually believes you "get it all the time when you are married" or what?

Ive been married to (IMO) a very sexy man who, sadly, seems to have misplaced his MOJO (LOL, always wanted to use that word). He proclaims love and interest...but, but, well...there is no but. NOTHING! Agreed, a few kisses and touches are nice but I want a bit more ( a LOT more really). Starting to feel that undesired/aggitated feeling regularly now. As mentioned above, he doesnt seem to want to chat about it (doesnt perform well under pressure either) but doesnt ACT on it either. Humph, what to do?

Stimulate his interest you say? Im not really interested in looking at porn...guess I am a bit shy/insecure that way.

Initiate you say? I typically do... wouldnt it be nice if he would TOO?

Focus on other aspects of your marriage you say? Gettin hard to when I fracking WANT him...the topic seems stuck in my mind...lol.

Tease him into compliance you say? Hmmmm, you mean do MORE than wear my best nighties after my evening shower/perfume/shave/even make up routine?

My question is this: We are healthy, youngish (both about 40) and not hard to look at so...whats up? This isnt the first time this cloud has hung over a relationship with me. Is it just ME!!! I understand the honeymoon is over but perhaps we fell over the edge.

Suggestions?

BugLover · 08-16-2005, 03:49 PM

Islandflea, it sounds like we are married to the same man.

It is frustrating to be the only one in the relationship attempting to initiate sex. In my case I gave up. I can count on one hand how many times we've *done it* since we got married almost a year ago, and that was only in the first 2 months. Nothing since then! I used to just look at him and it would get me going. Now, I feel like the spark is completely gone. He has even made the choice to sleep on the couch most nights - i think because he is afraid that I'll *try something*! Our marriage has been reduced to pecks on the cheek. Talk about frustrating!

jillian · 08-16-2005, 07:48 PM

im the type that hashave sex at least once a day... and if not then i need to get off at the very least once a day... if the guy im seeing doesnt feel up to it.. i take matters in my own hands.. or toys... im constantly sneaking to the bathroom at work

jenjen · 08-16-2005, 11:49 PM

Wow I have to admit I'm surprised at the people who go months without sex and have not even been married that long. I think going a week or even two isn't a big deal but going months would really have me on edge!

08-17-2005, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BugLover

Islandflea, it sounds like we are married to the same man.

It is frustrating to be the only one in the relationship attempting to initiate sex. In my case I gave up. I can count on one hand how many times we've *done it* since we got married almost a year ago, and that was only in the first 2 months. Nothing since then! I used to just look at him and it would get me going. Now, I feel like the spark is completely gone. He has even made the choice to sleep on the couch most nights - i think because he is afraid that I'll *try something*! Our marriage has been reduced to pecks on the cheek. Talk about frustrating!

Maybe it all goes in cycles OR...

What ya say we open a thread regarding Sex Counseling? NOT sex advice from peers but the real "convince your SO, make an apt and go talk to a professional."

Except, what makes one a sex professional?

I would go. What do you think?

Peacefool · 08-18-2005, 11:02 PM

I don't think having sex is as important as being physically and emotionally intimate. For example, as soon as my boyfriend comes home from work we cuddle/make out for about an hour or so. We do this everyday and it's not because we feel we should but because it comes natural. We just automatically jump in bed when we get home!

The main reason why we don't have sex everyday is because he's uncomfortable with his body and isn't in the best physical shape so he can't perform as well as he'd like so he gets down on himself. . .which is such a turn-off for him of course. I constantly assure him he's sexy to me (which he is) and I'm always initiating the sex but I guess what he thinks of himself is what is going to make the difference here. Anyway, that's my take on it.

Sweetpea · 08-24-2005, 08:37 PM

Well, on a good week, we have sex 4 or 5 times, on a busy or stressful week, 2-3 times and a couple 'masturbation night's' Where i get to pick the porn and we masturbate together and watch a little porn and watch each other but are too burned out for a full on fuckfest

I've heard people say sex fades once you're married, but we've been married going on 4 years now and we're still at it and it's getting better every year as we learn more about what pleases each other and grow in our sex life/fantasies.

But yeah... if it gets to about 3 days and we haven't had sex, we both get antsy and definitely need it

But we don't have kids and i'm sure if we did, things wouldn't be as good sexually... another reason why we are never having kids

gosh, this got long, sorry to ramble

Sweetpea

Sweetpea · 08-24-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by islandflea

Maybe it all goes in cycles OR...

What ya say we open a thread regarding Sex Counseling? NOT sex advice from peers but the real "convince your SO, make an apt and go talk to a professional."

Except, what makes one a sex professional?

I would go. What do you think?

This is a wise choice. Sex therapy will completely help your relationship. I have heard amazing things about it and i think it would be a good choice. Having sexual intimacy is very important in a relationship and don't feel bad about wanting it, having good sex is the right of every woman! (and man too)

If i was having sex issues, i would certainly see a therapist, i bet it would really turn things around and help you and your husband!

you should certainly consider it seriously

Sweetpea

JustJess · 08-25-2005, 05:39 AM

It doesn't sound like either of you are having sex issues of your own... I'd be pretty upset if I were you, going 10 months without booty in a new marriage. I would think that's pretty unusual. We sometimes go 2 weeks, and it's completely my doing, but even for me, that's a long time.

It sounds like the men need to consider therapy of some kind. I know how body issues can destroy your libido.. perhaps the combination of professional help plus your support can improve matters. Seriously... try to talk to them about it. Sex isn't the only thing, but it's an important part of the intimacy of marriage.

anti fishstick · 08-25-2005, 07:30 AM

I'm currently in a situation where my boyfriend is about 4 hours away from me, so I don't get to see him as often as I used to. We would see eachother on weekends and pretty much go 2-3 times a day when we did. When we live together, it will probably be at least once a day. We've been together for almost 2 years and the sex has not become less frequent, and we don't plan on it. :-D

So for me, I picked 7-14 days.

pyreglow · 09-05-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by anti fishstick

I'm currently in a situation where my boyfriend is about 4 hours away from me, so I don't get to see him as often as I used to. We would see eachother on weekends and pretty much go 2-3 times a day when we did. When we live together, it will probably be at least once a day. We've been together for almost 2 years and the sex has not become less frequent, and we don't plan on it. :-D

So for me, I picked 7-14 days.

Similar situation for me, too.

Peapod · 09-08-2005, 10:41 PM

I think it depends on the couple. Some people like to have spice in their sex lives and save it for the weekends to try new and kinky things.. (also work gets in the way lol). Other people are REALLY sexual together and like it all the time. I believe people should be in relationships with people who have the same sexual appetite otherwise there could be a lot of hurt and resentment!

(been there done that)

BlueBongo · 09-09-2005, 02:06 PM

I dunno.. when I'm interested in sex with someone, then it can be rather exciting and an almost regular routine. But I just prefer it with someone I'm in a committed relationship with..... I'm going nuts, but I'll live.

Damned morals...

KinkyKiwi · 09-16-2005, 03:07 PM

i would like it every or every other day but with not living together and school i have to say 3-6 days

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandy

there was a time at the begining(when we started having sex) when my bf and i could not get enough of eachother, and we would go at it whenevr we could, eg, in the lounge of my house while my parents were in the room...

when that subsided, we used to have sex at least three times a week, now... unfortunately, he's been working away for the past two months.in the first month, he came down once and we had sex the whole week end, that was after three weeks

now, coming from someone who used to "get it" at least three times a week, that was a real bummer for me:-(

but then again, it's not only about the sex...but three weeks is too long a time to go without!!!

and did she just say in the room?

View Poll Results: Committed couples: How long since you last had sex?
1-2 Days: Are you kidding? It's a daily thing!	28	25.23%
3-6 Days: That's almost half a week!	35	31.53%
7-14 Days: A full week without getting any???	20	18.02%
15-21 Days: Way too long!	8	7.21%
22-31 Days: Come on baby! Give it to me!	2	1.80%
1 - 2 Months - You gotta be kidding...	1	0.90%
3-4 Months - Remember back when we used to do it?	4	3.60%
5-8 Months - Uh, sex? What's that?	6	5.41%
9-12 Months - Hmm, what's it called? Oh yeah: PENIS!	0	0%
Year or more - Hey you there in my bed! What's your name?	7	6.31%
Voters: 111. You may not vote on this poll

08-04-2005, 04:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
BugLover Upright Location: City of Angels	How long is too long without sex? How long is too long for a mature couple in a committed relationship not to have sex (not counting medical issues)?

08-04-2005, 04:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sugar&Spice Psycho	When I was in a relationship we would have sex almost everyday. Sometimes we'd be too tired so that would get moved to every other day. If I find myself in another committed relationship I would hope to be having sex at least 3 times a week. __________________ -Speak your mind even if your voice shakes

08-04-2005, 05:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
raeanna74 I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot! Location: Upper Michigan	Hubby and I kindof go through phases. There are a LOT of daily things that get in the way of sex. Kids are at the top of the list. Health problems get in the way almost more often than some people who aren't in a relationship may realize. Too tired, achy, worked too hard, sore muscles, colds, flu, injuries, childbirth (this takes about a month for some people to get back from), and so many other things. A key though is a desire for physical intimacy of some sort. Intimacy that is purely animal animal sexuality takes a lot of physical stamina at times. Sometimes there is just a need to cuddle. Hubby and I have been needing a lot of that lately and fairly often lately that's all it is. There are other times we do enjoy sex and we do often but there are times when you NEED something else instead. There is really no SET time that it's normal to go without sex. I would feel like something was missing if hubby and I didn't snuggle, kiss, or hug some throughout the day. We can go for a week without sex but if we go a day without giving a hug or kiss then SOMEBODY is gonna say "What's wrong?' __________________ "Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma.

08-04-2005, 06:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
shesus Fancy Location: Chicago	Well, it depends on my mood and the situation, but 3-6 days is the longest. I get very irritable and aggressive after 5 days. However, when the stress gets high and I get so tired I fall asleep upon sitting down, I can go longer without the irritablity and aggressiveness. Yet, I think it is different for everybody. __________________ Whatever did happen to your soul? I heard you sold it Choose Heaven for the weather and Hell for the company

08-04-2005, 05:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
HoneyPot Crazy Location: Nunya	Ofcourse sex is important in a relationship. Especially in a committed one because of the question of sexuality. You think because its been a while since you did the deed, they are no longer attracted to you, but in reality they are focusing more on things such as emotion... which is awesome. Sex is not everything...a true loving relationship is whats important.

08-07-2005, 04:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	In a truly committed romantic relationship where there is little interference from previous committments (ie "real life") then I like to get it every 1-2 days. However, in my current sexual relationships we are monogamous but not committed, per se, and so we can have sex anywhere from twice a week to once a month, depending on how much "real life" interferes. That is usually our biggest restriction--finding time. __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

08-07-2005, 08:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
getwonk'd Tilted Location: Central Wisconsin	Hubby and I can go a few months without it. I really have no interest in sex lately. I am extremely attracted to my husband and he is the love of my life but sex just isn't a priority. We have four kids at home and a very busy home. By the time we go to bed we just want to sleep. I find the talking and little touches to be more satisfying than having sex.

08-08-2005, 01:25 AM	#8 (permalink)
mandy Addict Location: Port Elizabeth, South Africa	there was a time at the begining(when we started having sex) when my bf and i could not get enough of eachother, and we would go at it whenevr we could, eg, in the lounge of my house while my parents were in the room... when that subsided, we used to have sex at least three times a week, now... unfortunately, he's been working away for the past two months.in the first month, he came down once and we had sex the whole week end, that was after three weeks now, coming from someone who used to "get it" at least three times a week, that was a real bummer for me:-( but then again, it's not only about the sex...but three weeks is too long a time to go without!!!

08-08-2005, 05:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
astrahl Insane Location: You don't want to live here	I love coming home from work everyday and heading straight for the bed. It is a really nice way to come together after the work day. __________________ Maybe it was over when she chucked me out the Rover at full speed. Maybe Maybe... ~a-Ha

08-08-2005, 04:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
BugLover Upright Location: City of Angels	My husband and I haven't had sex at all this year, and we only got married last year. We're not young (late 30s), but certainly not in our dotage, either. At first, I tried initiating but was told he couldn't perform under pressure. I tried talking to him because I was concerned it could be medical, but I know he looks at porn and is aroused by it (which never bothered me). I used to find him irresistable but after nearly 8 months of physical rejection, I just don't have that spark for him like I did. He's really sweet in other ways, but without feeling like he's interested in me physically I just don't know what kind of future we have.

08-09-2005, 12:54 AM	#13 (permalink)
Sugarmouse Insane Location: Preston lancs(i know i know)	ideally at least everyday when i am in a happy relationship..ive never had a guy want it as much as me though! __________________ Sugarmouse=Festered

08-09-2005, 10:02 AM	#14 (permalink)
SiN strangelove Location: ...more here than there...	I can't vote because I'm not in a committed relationship, or any, right now .. but I would say that, Ideally, no more than a week, accounting for 'real life' in the way. in other words, a usual of more-than-once-a-day to every other day or 2 ... but if/when things just get like that, where the priorities have to adjust, I still think it would be important to a relationship to find/make the time after a week has gone by. __________________ - + - ° GiRLie GeeK ° - + - ° 01110010011011110110111101110100001000000110110101100101 Therell be days/When Ill stray/I may appear to be/Constantly out of reach/I give in to sin/Because I like to practise what I preach

08-09-2005, 11:23 AM	#15 (permalink)
Minx Junkie Location: Up yonder	^^ as always, SiN is wise. __________________ You've been a naughty boy....go to my room!

08-09-2005, 12:45 PM	#16 (permalink)
eMOTIONal20 Crazy Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado	15-21 days. I mean, ideally, I wouldn't want to go that long without it, but I could. I think I based this more on: any longer than that, then there might be something going on in the relationship that probably should be discussed. I am aching for some lovin' after maybe four or five days though. __________________ "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

08-16-2005, 03:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
BugLover Upright Location: City of Angels	Sounds just like what I'm going through Islandflea, it sounds like we are married to the same man. It is frustrating to be the only one in the relationship attempting to initiate sex. In my case I gave up. I can count on one hand how many times we've done it since we got married almost a year ago, and that was only in the first 2 months. Nothing since then! I used to just look at him and it would get me going. Now, I feel like the spark is completely gone. He has even made the choice to sleep on the couch most nights - i think because he is afraid that I'll try something! Our marriage has been reduced to pecks on the cheek. Talk about frustrating!

08-16-2005, 07:48 PM	#19 (permalink)
jillian Crazy Location: indiana	im the type that hashave sex at least once a day... and if not then i need to get off at the very least once a day... if the guy im seeing doesnt feel up to it.. i take matters in my own hands.. or toys... im constantly sneaking to the bathroom at work

08-16-2005, 11:49 PM	#20 (permalink)
jenjen Tilted Location: Oregon	Wow I have to admit I'm surprised at the people who go months without sex and have not even been married that long. I think going a week or even two isn't a big deal but going months would really have me on edge!

08-18-2005, 11:02 PM	#22 (permalink)
Peacefool Upright	I don't think having sex is as important as being physically and emotionally intimate. For example, as soon as my boyfriend comes home from work we cuddle/make out for about an hour or so. We do this everyday and it's not because we feel we should but because it comes natural. We just automatically jump in bed when we get home! The main reason why we don't have sex everyday is because he's uncomfortable with his body and isn't in the best physical shape so he can't perform as well as he'd like so he gets down on himself. . .which is such a turn-off for him of course. I constantly assure him he's sexy to me (which he is) and I'm always initiating the sex but I guess what he thinks of himself is what is going to make the difference here. Anyway, that's my take on it.

08-24-2005, 08:37 PM	#23 (permalink)
Sweetpea Fade out Location: in love	Well, on a good week, we have sex 4 or 5 times, on a busy or stressful week, 2-3 times and a couple 'masturbation night's' Where i get to pick the porn and we masturbate together and watch a little porn and watch each other but are too burned out for a full on fuckfest I've heard people say sex fades once you're married, but we've been married going on 4 years now and we're still at it and it's getting better every year as we learn more about what pleases each other and grow in our sex life/fantasies. But yeah... if it gets to about 3 days and we haven't had sex, we both get antsy and definitely need it But we don't have kids and i'm sure if we did, things wouldn't be as good sexually... another reason why we are never having kids gosh, this got long, sorry to ramble Sweetpea __________________ Having a Pet Will Change Your Life! Looking for a great pet?! Click Here! "I am the Type of Person Who Can Get Away With A lot, Simply Because I Don't Ask Permission for the Privilege of Being Myself"

08-25-2005, 05:39 AM	#25 (permalink)
JustJess Unencapsulated Location: Kittyville	It doesn't sound like either of you are having sex issues of your own... I'd be pretty upset if I were you, going 10 months without booty in a new marriage. I would think that's pretty unusual. We sometimes go 2 weeks, and it's completely my doing, but even for me, that's a long time. It sounds like the men need to consider therapy of some kind. I know how body issues can destroy your libido.. perhaps the combination of professional help plus your support can improve matters. Seriously... try to talk to them about it. Sex isn't the only thing, but it's an important part of the intimacy of marriage. __________________ My heart knows me better than I know myself, so I'm gonna let it do all the talkin'.

08-25-2005, 07:30 AM	#26 (permalink)
anti fishstick Post-modernism meets Individualism AKA the Clash Location: oregon	I'm currently in a situation where my boyfriend is about 4 hours away from me, so I don't get to see him as often as I used to. We would see eachother on weekends and pretty much go 2-3 times a day when we did. When we live together, it will probably be at least once a day. We've been together for almost 2 years and the sex has not become less frequent, and we don't plan on it. :-D So for me, I picked 7-14 days. __________________ And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. ~Anais Nin

09-08-2005, 10:41 PM	#28 (permalink)
Peapod Upright Location: Southern California	I think it depends on the couple. Some people like to have spice in their sex lives and save it for the weekends to try new and kinky things.. (also work gets in the way lol). Other people are REALLY sexual together and like it all the time. I believe people should be in relationships with people who have the same sexual appetite otherwise there could be a lot of hurt and resentment! (been there done that) Last edited by Peapod; 09-08-2005 at 10:44 PM..