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ziadel 01-16-2006 09:37 PM

Past lives? Do you remember any of them?
 
Well, anyone here believe in reincarnation and remember a few past lives?

anything you'd like to share?

and please, lets keep criticism to a minimum here, every other thread I've started at other places the usual, "Why does everyone remember being someone important thing pop up" and ya know what, you wouldnt remember it if you werent important :p

but anywho, anyone have any weird memories or dreams they cant explain like that?

if you don't, who would you have like to have been in a past life or two?


edit: and I know that people who start these threads are encouraged to participate, and I will, I prefer to add to the thread once it has some of its own momentum tho (I do this in almost all thread, as what I have top say is usually pretty controversial and I dont want to derail the thread from the start, i.e. people have a way of just criticizing what I've wrote instead of answering)

alpha phi 01-16-2006 09:59 PM

Well here's my theory....
We live as humans for 12 lifetimes.
Then progress into a higher lifeform.
We start at the begining of the Zodiac.
Aries-Total intelligence
With each passing lifetime we gather wisdom.
A few can consciencely remember past lives,
most will only subconsciencely remember.
Wisdom is like experence
I would describe the difference as:
It starts raining
Intelligence is looking up and saying "it's raining"
Wisdom is taking cover without haveing to know why.

Ustwo 01-16-2006 10:36 PM

The funny thing about past lives is how few people remember themselves to be average Joes.

Slippery Slope 01-17-2006 02:48 AM

I think it may just be inherited memory... you
can inherit your ancestor's looks so why not
their memory?

"I've got this 'orrible feeling that If there is such A thing as Reincarnation,
knowing my luck, I'll come back as me!"
- Rodney Trotter

maleficent 01-17-2006 03:07 AM

I'm boring in this life-- if there is such a thing as reincarnation... I was boring (and mean) in a past life based on the karma I've got in this life...

My next life I want to come back as a cat of a really loving owner-- and sleep in the sun on the forbidden couch all day long..

ShaniFaye 01-17-2006 04:13 AM

I've always had this feeling I was a tavern wench and the (in another time) I lived on a pirate ship (yes Im being serious) ever since I was a teenager I've had "dreams" about stuff like that

sorry, I know thats boring but its the best I can do....interesting how I've never felt I was a "lady" heheheh

Bill O'Rights 01-17-2006 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
...ever since I was a teenager I've had "dreams" about stuff like that

Hmmm...I've had some very "real" dreams about being inside of the cockpit of a plane (that I can now identify as the cockpit of a B-17G), the definate sensation of a hard shudder, or vibration, and giving the order to "Hit the silk!"...before I ever knew what "hit the silk" meant. (It's basically the order to bail out). And that's it. End of dream. I had that dream for years, starting when I was 11 or 12.

I suppose I could've seen it in some late show movie. But, somehow I really don't think so. Besides...that's not as fun.

Charlatan 01-17-2006 09:04 AM

I don't believe in reincarnation at all. I don't believe in an afterlife either.

When you die, there is nothing else.

This life is the only one we've got.

Zeraph 01-17-2006 09:18 AM

I don't believe or not believe in past lives. With that type of thing I just have faith that this here and now is not the only here and now and that nothing is a waste (which if we only lived one life and had no after life, what would be the point?). So such a reality could have reincarnation.

My aunt does believe in reincarnation and if such things do exist I believe her. She seems very sensitive to those sorts of things. She doesn't remember being anyone important, she mostly remember odd tidbits and how she was murdered.

My aunt has said she feels that I must have been some kind of samurai or other warrior. I don't remember anything as extravagant as details from such a life, but I have always had an affinity for martial arts. My aunt and a few other people have also told me I have an asian feel/look (though physically look nothing like). I was also one of those kids that was very adult like at much too young an age. I have a few other personality traits that could be nicely explained by a past life as well, but I don't want to get into that.

So like I said, past lives could fill a gap of knowledge that we don't have, but I don't rely on such a belief. For practical application I use psychology to explain or modify and not the belief in past lives.

Zeraph 01-17-2006 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan
I don't believe in reincarnation at all. I don't believe in an afterlife either.

When you die, there is nothing else.

This life is the only one we've got.

See to me that is impossible, because if that is true, then this never happened. It is happening however, so that is not true. :) But I do somewhat agree of that take on life that we shouldn't be obsessed with what happened or is to come, and focus on living this life and not to waste it. However, I can not fully accept such a thing deep down, because well, a lot of people I don't like would be dead other wise ;) and I can't accept that murder is fine.

raeanna74 01-17-2006 09:39 AM

I do believe in an afterlife. I have no idea of what I believe about reincarnation.

I have had vivid dreams of being a priest. The person I am in those dreams is a fanatic. I'm 'punishing' people for being heathens. If this is any indication of who I was in a past life I was probably one of those responsible for the inquisition.

I've also had vivid dreams of being a slave - though I think that's partly a result of certain fantacies. :rolleyes:

snowy 01-17-2006 10:31 AM

My mother and I both have recurring dreams we tie to past lives.

In hers, it is a quiet simple dream: she is a child walking through the forest hand in hand with a much older man she knows is her grandfather (yet is not HER grandfather). They are dressed as if it is the 1800s.

In mine, it is a violent death: I drive off of an unfinished bridge, plummeting to my death by drowning, unable to get out of my car. I am driving a very old car (think 1920s or earlier, even).

Both of us have had these dreams more times than we can count. And yes, both of us believe in reincarnation.

Arsenic7 01-17-2006 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slippery Slope
I think it may just be inherited memory... you
can inherit your ancestor's looks so why not
their memory?

"I've got this 'orrible feeling that If there is such A thing as Reincarnation,
knowing my luck, I'll come back as me!"
- Rodney Trotter

You can't inherit memory because genes, the material of inheritance, doesn't store that sort of information. Your genes are essentially unchanged from the moment you are born.

And I really don't know how one would get around the whole "is this a past life or am I just imagining things?" question. I have a lot of vivid dreams, some of them involving monsters and dinosaurs...some of them not.

Is a past life the only explanation for visions? I don't think so...

Even if the visions were real, how would you tell whether it is a past life or simply a vision of someone elses experiences?

Willravel 01-17-2006 11:01 AM

I'd like to think I had something to do with music in a pat life, but I've yet to have reversion therepy. It'd be quite a thing to find out that reincarnation was real in such a visceral way.

Tachion 01-17-2006 11:14 AM

I am not sure how many are aware of research being done with Quantum brain dynamics but to summarize a very complex topic it basically is that consciousness and quantum mechnaics are linked and that our brain works on a quantum level.

What does this mean? It means our brain has links to a place where time does not exist and reality is far different than what you perceive in our 3D world.

So anything is up for grabs and life can be very different than what we think!

Have 'you' lived before? No, if you is defined by what you now know, feel , think, or look like. There may be an another unknown 'you' that exists and is linked to the 'you' you know.

There may only be one 'you' for all of us and we are like a bunch af radio stations picking up one signal - each modifying the signal on reception.
Its an illusion to see the radio as the source of the music.

You see, you may have had past lives but the funny thing is, we may all be the SAME life now and before.

Thats the irony if we kill each other - you could be killing another part of you.

MojoRisin 01-17-2006 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlatan
I don't believe in reincarnation at all. I don't believe in an afterlife either.

When you die, there is nothing else.

This life is the only one we've got.

I agree with this.

I do believe within us is the culmination of all past lives and that we can look back. We are most of the time completely occupied with what's happening around us, concious in other words. But we are at base the same as we have been for 10,000 years or so, as the ideas that make us who we are today are stripped away we start to get a feel for how we got here, this is what we see in the past life dreams.

shesus 01-17-2006 05:31 PM

I believe in reincarnation. I have a friend who was hypnotized to find out past lives. His sessions are taped and he gets to hear what he says. From what I've heard him explain there is no way he would know the landscape and certain events unless he had really been there and experienced it. Nothing incredible stands out just normal stories such as dying during childbirth, drowning, etc.

I believe that I was French in a past life. Maybe in New Orleans, I'm not sure. When I was younger I had an invisible friend named Mimi which is a French name. I have done a little bit of research on childhood behavior such as invisible friends and there are links to past lives there. Like the friend was a friend in the previous life. I also would dream in french and there is a song that we have that the first time I heard it I had a 'flashback' of sorts. I tranced for the whole song and jj had to pull me out of it. That was strange.

Past lives have always interested me and I would like to know who I was, but I guess one can never really know because it is not something that can be proven. Interesting discussion though.

insidious_machinae 01-17-2006 06:04 PM

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hotzot 01-18-2006 06:13 AM

The best line I've ever heared about reincarnation came from David Letterman. When he was chatting with Shirley Mclean about her reincarnations, she asked him if he was ever reincarnated. Dave said something like " I'm not sure, but I think I once delivered pizzas to the Eisenhowers." Shirley was not amused.

Carno 01-18-2006 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeraph
See to me that is impossible, because if that is true, then this never happened. It is happening however, so that is not true.

What? :confused:

Why would the fact that there is no afterlife or reincarnations mean that there is no present? That makes no sense.

Rodney 01-18-2006 03:20 PM

I've got plenty of past lives. I was a kid once, then a teenager, then a horny young man, now established and middle-aged. Those all seem like separate lives to me, because I was very different people during each of those times.

I believe in time travel, too -- one day at a time. It's slow, but hell, when I started moving forward through time there was still a British Empire. And where did all you people with pink hair, navel rings, and funny tatoos come from? :-)

For all intents and purposes, speculation about past or future lives or the afterlife is not particularly productive. Heaven, hell, past lives, future lives -- they're all part of life now. Anything that happens after you're dead is gravy -- or anti-gravy, as the case may be.

nezmot 01-18-2006 03:26 PM

I don't hold with reincarnation. If you look at the numbers, there are more people alive today than have ever lived at the same time before - so where do all these new souls come from? Animals? Are there fewer animals alive today than there were all those years ago? What about before there were animals? Where did all those souls come from then? And if we are all supposed to progress from an animal existence, to human being, and then on to something else, will there be a time when all the souls have 'climbed up the bridge' and are inhabiting human/pre-transcendental bodies? i.e. Will we one day live in a world with no animals, because we've all overcome/or about to overcome our karmic baggage?

The answer to the above questions, for me, has to suggest that reincarnation is a fiction. I'd be happy for someone to show me where I might have made a mistake, but until the numbers make sense, or someone explains the mechanics to a satisfactory level, I will remain unwilling to accept the concept of reincarnation.

CSflim 01-18-2006 04:36 PM

Moooooo!

I was a cow in my past life. I feel incredible guilt every time I eat a steak.

Zeraph 01-18-2006 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carn
What? :confused:

Why would the fact that there is no afterlife or reincarnations mean that there is no present? That makes no sense.

I know that does not make too much sense, I don't know if I can fully communicate this idea or if I just don't have the words. But its like if there is no continuance, then at the end, it will be like nothing has ever existed because there is nothing to continue it. So in a sense, if there is a definite and complete end to everything, then it never existed in the first place. Yet we exist, therefore there is a continuance.

That probably didn't clear anything up... :crazy:

Rodney 01-18-2006 05:44 PM

On the other hand...

I have heard the cosmologists talk about the nature of alternative universes and realities. I have read that in a _very_ large but finite amount of space, all possible combinations of matter would recur -- for example, everything on earth and everthing out 100 light years or more. So if that is the case, another "you" may exist somewhere, certainly has existed before this time and certainly will exist again, all on different versions of Earth separated by unimaginable distances. I take a certain amount of comfort in the thought because -- while I personally will almost certainly die -- there will always be a Rodney. Somewhere.

snowy 01-18-2006 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodney
I take a certain amount of comfort in the thought because -- while I personally will almost certainly die -- there will always be a Rodney. Somewhere.

My mother would contend that more than one of me, anywhere, at any time, is a very scary thought and not comforting at all.

Rodney 01-18-2006 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onesnowyowl
My mother would contend that more than one of me, anywhere, at any time, is a very scary thought and not comforting at all.

The universe is a scary place :-).

rainheart 01-18-2006 07:07 PM

I've been toiling away in my reincarnation lab and I've theorized that it's all a lot of b.s. and I should get back to living my life right *now*

MojoRisin 01-19-2006 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeraph
So in a sense, if there is a definite and complete end to everything, then it never existed in the first place. Yet we exist, therefore there is a continuance.

You should read about Nietzche's idea of eternal recurrance, that we will return and live the same life again, an infinite amount of times. I don't want to misinterpret it but it's the best explination for showing that there is no end or begining. Nietzche does not support the idea of a soul seperate from the body either, it's not reincarnation, nor does he support an afterlife. It's the best explaination for 'the way things are' I've read.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy Nietzche
And do you know what "the world" is to me? Shall I show it to you in my mirror? This world: a monster of energy, without beginning, without end; a firm, iron magnitude of force that does not grow bigger or smaller, that does not expend itself but only transforms itself; as a whole, of unalterable size, a household without expenses or losses, but likewise without increase or income; enclosed by "nothingness" as by a boundary; not something blurry or wasted, not something endlessly extended, but set in a definite space as a definite force, and not a sphere that might be "empty" here or there, but rather as force throughout, as a play of forces and waves of forces, at the same time one and many, increasing here and at the same time decreasing there; a sea of forces flowing and rushing together, eternally changing, eternally flooding back, with tremendous years of recurrence, with an ebb and a flood of its forms; out of the simplest forms striving toward the most complex, out of the stillest, most rigid, coldest forms toward the hottest, most turbulent, most self-contradictory, and then again returning home to the simple out of this abundance, out of the play of contradictions back to the joy of concord, still affirming itself in this uniformity of its courses and its years, blessing itself as that which must return eternally, as a becoming that knows no satiety, no disgust, no weariness: this, my Dionysian world of the eternally self-creating, the eternally self-destroying, this mystery world of the twofold voluptuous delight, my "beyond good and evil," without goal, unless the joy of the circle is itself a goal; without will, unless a ring feels good will toward itself--do you want a name for this world? A solution for all its riddles? A light for you, too, you best-concealed, strongest, most intrepid, most midnightly men?-- This world is the will to power--and nothing besides! And you yourselves are also this will to power--and nothing besides!


highthief 01-19-2006 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nezmot
I don't hold with reincarnation. If you look at the numbers, there are more people alive today than have ever lived at the same time before - so where do all these new souls come from?

It's a good point. I think the energy of our being continues on, and that energy may be traceable from one source to the next, but the concept of the "soul" is belied by the numbers.

Bill O'Rights 01-19-2006 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onesnowyowl
My mother would contend that more than one of me, anywhere, at any time, is a very scary thought and not comforting at all.

Hot coffee, through the nose, this early in the morning...not pleasant.

Still...that was, in all likelyhood, the funniest thing that I will experience today. Unless, of course, I break out my high school yearbook. ;)

Fly 01-19-2006 07:04 AM

i used to be my daddy's little squirt in my past life.



:D

Zeraph 01-19-2006 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MojoRisin
You should read about Nietzche's idea of eternal recurrance, that we will return and live the same life again, an infinite amount of times. I don't want to misinterpret it but it's the best explination for showing that there is no end or begining. Nietzche does not support the idea of a soul seperate from the body either, it's not reincarnation, nor does he support an afterlife. It's the best explaination for 'the way things are' I've read.


Indeed, that sounds like what I'm trying to get at. I've always known I need to read more Nietzche, the stuff I do read I usually agree with, I just havnt had time. Perhaps now I will make some. Thanks for bringing that up.

Slippery Slope 01-19-2006 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arsenic7
You can't inherit memory because genes, the material of inheritance, doesn't store that sort of information. Your genes are essentially unchanged from the moment you are born

I accept that. ...at least, until they discover otherwise...

Charlatan 01-20-2006 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highthief
It's a good point. I think the energy of our being continues on, and that energy may be traceable from one source to the next, but the concept of the "soul" is belied by the numbers.

This is a very Buddhist concept. Reincarnation for them has more to do with "energy" in general (rather than specific).


I still maintain, despite Zeraph and Nietzche's claims to the contrary, that this is all we have. Though, I must admit, I am intrigued by Tachion's bit of business about how our consciousness and quantum mechnaics are linked.

I find the idea that our brains can function at a quantum level and interact with other consciousness at this level very interesting. It could go a long way to explain some of the wierdness that some people claim to experience.

rhaevyn 01-20-2006 03:02 PM

I believe in reincarnation, though I don't necessarily think everyone has past lives.

Over the past 8 years, I've had recurring nightmares--several times a year, at least--of being raped that I believe are either repressed memories or memories of a past life. I'm not quite sure.


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