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BAMF · 06-02-2003, 08:00 AM

I really really hate evyer single one of them. I think they are just out to screw people over. Lets start at the beggining.

THe police had a picture of my brother rioting. They asked him to come down and give a statement so they could find those "responsible for casuing the damage". They publically said that a majority of the damge was caused by a handful of people, and those people will pay. My brother did $0.00 worth of damage. He was just there with 5000+ other people. Either way they had his stateent that he was present and didnt do any damage. Two weeks later he was arrested because "We need to show that it doesnt matter how much damage you cause at a riot, you can still get in trouble." They were all (14 people arrested) then told that they were going to be scapegoats. It took us 2 lawyers, and he ended up with 330 hours of community service and 1 year probation. The community service had to be done from 8pm to 8am at a homeless shelter. All in all they lied to him to get a statement then used his statment against him.
That is the brief version, I could go on for pages about evey other thing the cops did wrong, but I need to move on.

My brothers 21 birthday. He was drunk at the bars, I was with him. Eventually a few of his friends took him home and put him to bed. 30 mins later I left with some of my friends to check on him (he lives about 2 blocks away, so we were walking). About 1/2 way there he comes jogging down the road towards us, runs over, and sits on a car hood (92 honda accord) denting it, but causing no real damage. This was outside a fraterinity, so about 30 people got all gay up in our face, and this girl I was with was screaming at them, My brother then ran off, she was still screaming so I couldnt leave, then the cops showed up. I was quiet. I made up a story about me just walking down the street when someone I knew from class ran over and sat on the car then took off. They found out from someone else that he was my brother. She (the cop) called me a liar, said I was providing false information, obstructing an investigation, and being uncooperative. She then arrested me for public intox. And I still never told them where my brother was or where he lived. They had his old address on their computers, so they never found him. So all in all I got arrested for not ratting out my brother at the drop of a hat. At the station I blew a 0.09, if anyone is interested. She spent 2 weeks looking for my brother, even called our house and talked to my parents. Eventually she called him and he arranged to come in and give a statement, he told her that he was coming with a lawyer, she said "bring it on". The lawyer said he advises his clients to "NEVER GIVE STATEMENTS TO THE POLICE" (very important advice for everyone). So my brother just never showed up at the police station when he was supposed to. She (the cop) called our house and got in a fight on the phone with my dad, and that was the last we heard. I had a court apperance today, but my lawyer when instead of me, and I havent heard what happened yet.

ADvice: Never talk to cops.

Riddle?: What comes first? the cop or the asshole.

Do assholes become cops, or does the cop job turn normal people into assholes?

ARTelevision · 06-02-2003, 08:16 AM

sorry you've had some experiences, which from your point of view, were negative...

That being said...

Policepersons are some of the most dedicated and honorable people around. The fact that there are some idiots among them is a mere demographic truism.

Any amount of civilized life we have on our streets is the result of their life-risking effort.

When I see a cop I take the time to say "You guys do a great job. A lot of people appreciate that. Thanks."

mtsgsd · 06-02-2003, 08:16 AM

I guess you're looking for comments since you posted this. I'm sorry I can't offer any sympathy though. You were both doing things you should not have been doing, and you got busted for it. How is this the cop's fault?

BoCo · 06-02-2003, 08:24 AM

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Originally posted by mtsgsd
I guess you're looking for comments since you posted this. I'm sorry I can't offer any sympathy though. You were both doing things you should not have been doing, and you got busted for it. How is this the cop's fault?

That's what I was thinking. You knowingly lied to a cop, and now you're angry that she is making more trouble for you. Your brother caused damage to private property, and he won't even show up to make a statement. I feel sorry for the person whose insurance may go up because he has to get his car fixed because of your drunk brother. If this goes to court, and you swear on the Bible that you'll tell the whole truth, will you actually tell the whole truth, or will you continue to lie? If you do lie, and more problems come your way, then don't come crying to us for sympathy. Play by the rules, stay sober, tell the truth, and you'll probably never be in trouble.

Also, get your brother some counselling, as he sounds like he could use some. Public intoxication and rioting aren't going to lead to a healthy and productive life for that guy.

By the way, I love the police. If it weren't for them, civilized society wouldn't stand a chance.

The_Dude · 06-02-2003, 08:33 AM

you cant really base your judgement on these incidents, you're judging an entire group by actions of a few induviduals.

there are good cops and bad cops, but certainly more good ones out there.

Minx · 06-02-2003, 08:41 AM

I agree with The Dude...no matter what profession you are talking about you are going to run into good people and assholes...be they lawyers, teachers, doctors, police...doesn't matter.
I think in general the police do an excellent job. If we didn't have them it wouldn't be safe to walk the streets. I for one am very thankful for the job they do everyday, especially those that risk their lives everyday so we, the general public, can remain safe.

Lebell · 06-02-2003, 08:42 AM

I'm sorry that you've started out bad with the police, but I too am having a hard time generating sympathy.

I know that probably isn't what you wanted to hear.

My advice, start taking responsibility for your actions and let your brother do the same. Please believe me when I say it will make your life much easier in the years ahead.

good luck.

Leander · 06-02-2003, 08:47 AM

I am still trying to understand how these incidents are the fault of the police. Both you and your brother put yourselves in situations that, to be blunt, were not very smart. Your actions were responsible for the consequences.
Some cops are jerks, others aren't. That's true of everyone, everywhere.

BAMF · 06-02-2003, 10:11 AM

I dont see the connecting between someone who gets drunk on their 21st needing counsuling. ANd I did not lie to the cop, I just never told her that the person was my brother, and I wasnt drunk..if I had waited 10 more minutes I probably would have been under the legal limit and allowed to drive, not that I would. And there was no damage to the car. And there are a thousand things cops could be doing, other than arresting people they dont get along with. Maybe cops are just assholes in college towns.

Either way I have absolutley no respect for power tripping assholes, regardless of whether or not they are a cop. And every cop ive met has been a power tripping asshole.

Detective work..what? no, they just coherice statements from people that dont know any better then bust them with their statement being the only evidence. They woudnlt do 5 minutes of work to find real criminals.

I was arrested for public intox walking down a street minding my own business.

If I ever get the oppurtunity I would make sure that cops have to answer to a civilan board that can fire or suspend them. I think its wrong to have a group of civilans (cops + famil and friends) that get away with everything short of murder.

Shokan · 06-02-2003, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by BAMF

I made up a story about me just walking down the street when someone I knew from class ran over and sat on the car then took off. They found out from someone else that he was my brother. She (the cop) called me a liar, said I was providing false information, obstructing an investigation, and being uncooperative.

Soooo, let me get this straight. You didn't lie?

rogue49 · 06-02-2003, 10:49 AM

I'm sorry, everything just doesn't sound consistent.
Even in your story, even with editing, even after the fact, even not being involved myself.

I would suggest if you are going to look for people to agree with your statements, be clear.
Otherwise your arguement is already put in doubt.

And not to say that you are wrong or right (I've had my questionable calls by the police too)
but you should consider that if you put yourself into a questionable situation in the first place,
then you are taking the risk that you become a target,
whether by civilians or the force.

Don't be the one to "claim" you are victim of unfairness, (whether right or wrong)
take the extra step and don't put yourself there...

One of the reasons I don't like going out clubbing Fridays,
something always seems to "happen" on Fridays,
maybe because everyone is partying & on the edge.
I prefer Wed, Thurs, Sat or Sun.

And if someone (even a friend or family member) seems to have a "pattern" of trouble following,
then avoid being sucked into that "pattern".
Look into your memory, you'll see it right in front of you.

Remember you are responsible to yourself first.
Otherwise how will you be stable enough to help others then
if your situation is unbalanced?

Cynthetiq · 06-02-2003, 12:51 PM

hmm... like my SIL she didn't intend for the bad end result so it's not her fault...

It's your fault. Own up to it. You were drinking. It's your responsibility.

Same thing goes for the brother...

uncle phil · 06-02-2003, 12:54 PM

what bones said...wake up, and grow up...

krwlz · 06-02-2003, 12:55 PM

Well, BAMF, its is obvious that your a rookie, even without your title...I think everyone posts one or two thread where they get ripped a new asshole when they want sympathy before they learn...I did.

That said, Man, everyone else is right, some cops are good, some bad, but bottom line they cant arrest you if your obeying the law...So in order to really see the bad side of a cop, you have to fuck up.

Imagine if there were no cops....scary place man, I have my guns, but I don't really want to use em on other people...

WhoaitsZ · 06-02-2003, 04:15 PM

YES! NEVER GIVE THE POLICE STATEMENTS!

remember...... if you know who raped your grandmother... don't tell the police!

lame lame LAME

Force 10 · 06-02-2003, 04:50 PM

Sounds like the cops hate you too. Damn them all!

Actually, It's a good thing I'm not a cop. I'd be a bad cop. Trust me on this. I'd kick the shit outta more little assholes then you could shake a stick at.

As for your brother rioting with no damage, whatever; he caused damage just by being there. Just because 5000 others were there too, doesn't make it right. It's just he was dumb enough to have been caught on tape…hence dumb enough to pay for it. I love it, justice. You want to lie and try to manipulate the system and is okay for you but not the cops? I say hooray for the cops that talked your brother into giving them a statement they could use against him. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

No real damage to the hood of the car and you made up some story about some other guy: Sounds to me like you can't fess up to your actions. Sounds to me like you'd rather someone else pay for your (or your brothers) drunken stupor. It's called growing up my friend. Take a little responsibility for your actions and quit trying to blame your idiocy on society.

This really makes me pist off actually. I'm not attacking you directly per se. It's just that one day you're going to have kids and you're going to invoke your thoughts into their wanting little heads. Then your kids will pollute other kids with the "fuck the police" syndrome. It's just not smart. It's true, like Art said, that there are asshole bad cops out there...how could there not be? But it's also true for society in general. There are asshole bad people out there that need the shit kicked out of them by the asshole bad cops. It all pans out in the end.

I for one enjoy most of the police and have no problem standing up for them.

I was once an asshole too.

ps...tell that guy with the dented hood that I saw it all if he needs someone in court.

The_Dude · 06-02-2003, 05:10 PM

just compare our cops to the corrupt cops around the world, and then you'll realize what we have

PSnyder · 06-02-2003, 05:21 PM

It's impossible to have a policy of don't lie EVER or NEVER get in questionable situations. It's like saying don't jay-walk or don't speed, drive extra careful. I couldn't live like that, life is fast and supposed to be fun.

BAMF didn't do a thing wrong, lying to protect your friends and family makes sense. Actually I think he was only just not telling the whole truth, sure it was someone he knew but he had nothing to do with the accident. He shouldn't have to say it is his brother, just someone he knew. The lawyer is right, don't make statements.
My brother and uncle were on jetskis, fooling around (having fun), one jetski flew over the front of the other, my uncle got hurt a little, do you think he told that to the cops? Don't be stupid.

Honesty isn't everything, trust me.

I still don't see why BAMF got in so much trouble. You should all act more like him, else life means very little. There is so much to argue here, I can't even consider it all at once.

krwlz · 06-02-2003, 05:31 PM

I didn't say don't do shit....I just said don't piss and moan when you get caught and have to pay up...

PSnyder · 06-02-2003, 05:39 PM

So you do do shit and take risks. while walking down the street may be a risk, but that's all he did, nothing he did was irresponsible. I take more risks on a daily basis than he did that particular night.

you guys said its all right for the police to twist and deceive to catch people, i say you should then bend and sly your way out of trouble.

Atanvarno · 06-02-2003, 06:26 PM

I have had encouters with the police ending badly myself, but if there's something wrong it's not the police officers who are doing an (often) thankless and dangerous job for low pay. Rather it's the laws. If you say you hate the politicians, go ahead, I won't hold it against you. Saying you hate the police however, just helps make their job even more thankless, and much much harder. Harder job for the cops means more cops, which means larger chance to get a bad cop and you having to pay more taxes

Glad-I-Ate-Her · 06-02-2003, 06:42 PM

You and your brother have to live up to what you did. Regardless of your intentions.

If some drunk "dented" your hood, like your brother did, how would either of you feel? I'm sure you would be screaming and calling the police (that you hate) for help!!

Someday (I hope it never happens) you may need the police that you hate, they might save you or your brothers life. Think about it.

BAMF · 06-02-2003, 07:02 PM

I guess I was wrong, you guys are right. I will never again drink 5 beers on a weekend. I will rat out my brother to save my own ass from now on. If a good friend gets drunk on his 21st I will not go and check on him, so I dont put myself at any risk.

And some background, the cops had the names of 8 people that flipped a car during the riot. They didnt bother splitting up the police report when they handed it out to the poepl that were arrested, so I read it all. Of those 8 people that did real damage (a BMW was flipped in a parking garage) only 1 of them was picked up. They had over 300 identified people at the riot. My brother was arrested BECAUSE he cooperated with the police.

Next time he has a beer I will call the cops on him, just in case something happens it would be better for me that he be in jail.

Shokan · 06-02-2003, 07:14 PM

BAMF - You totally missed the point of everyone's comments. Please read them again carefully.

BAMF · 06-02-2003, 07:24 PM

And I dont think I made myself clear, when I said a dent in the hood I didnt mean a damaging one. If you sit on the hodd of a honda accord it is likely to become concave. If you get up there is a good chance it might pop out normal, otherwise just pop the hood and tap it from behind and it pops back out.

And I gathered that the point of the comments was to pay for our mistakes and that we deserved the consequences.

I didnt rat my brother out : I dont know the punishment yet

My brother was present at a riot with 5000 other people, only about 20 people were doing damge, instead of doing any kind of investigation in order to punish those people the plan was to call in anyone they could identify and arrest them if they confessed to being present. So my brother cooperated with the police : Punishment 330 hours of community service.

I understand the comments, and I dont think anyone here has any real friends that would stick up for them. If there was ever a real victim I might rat a friend out. I didnt think my first posts through, they were written with more hatred then logical thought.
I am thinking now, and right now I know I would not want to be friends with most of you. Remember, if you see me in a bar, dial 911. I put myself at unreasonable risks by going out on weekends. I should just sit at home all the time I am not at work.

BAMF · 06-02-2003, 07:29 PM

Oh, and we talked to the guy who owned the honda, and since there was no damage he ended up calling the prosecuters office and dropping the charges against my brother. The charges he never personally pressed, but the cop did it in his name.

guthmund · 06-02-2003, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by BAMF
I guess I was wrong, you guys are right. I will never again drink 5 beers on a weekend. I will rat out my brother to save my own ass from now on. If a good friend gets drunk on his 21st I will not go and check on him, so I dont put myself at any risk.

Next time he has a beer I will call the cops on him, just in case something happens it would be better for me that he be in jail.

Remember, if you see me in a bar, dial 911. I put myself at unreasonable risks by going out on weekends. I should just sit at home all the time I am not at work.

Finally! You've got it! Remember to rat on your neighbors and loved ones for the smallest infraction. Remember that all cops are trying to protect you from yourself. Don't bother with friends and certainly don't go checking on them. Don't go out on the weekend, shouldn't you be working anyway? And for God's sake don't drink at all. You don't reserve the right to blow off a little stress. In fact, what I like to do is bunch it all up into a tiny little ball and bottle it up somewhere deep and dark never to see the light of day.

/sarcasm

Everyone was real quick to jump on the soapbox and tell you that "BAMF, what you did was wrong. You have to accept the consequences.....etc."

Here's what I gather. Your brother was in a mob, whether by choice or by accident, he didn't do any damage; and he wasn't involved in any illegal activity other than being in the wrong? place at the wrong time. He tried to do the stand up thing and cooperate with the cops about the kids who did fuck things up and he got ass raped in the process.

I'm assuming when you say he "dented" the hood, you were talking about that popping noise and subsequent concave you get when you sit on a cheaply made hood. The one that 90% of the time pops out when you remove your ass? It seems if the guy who owns the car has no problem then what is the problem?

Okay, you were drunk in public. That's a pretty big no-no. And although I don't agree with walking around drunk in public....I understand. Yes, you lied to the cops. Again, another no-no, but understandable considering the recent troubles your brother went through with the riot situation. So again....I understand.

As for Cops. I've met a lot of good ones and I've met a lot of bad ones. Cops, to me, are no different then the guy down the block; respect is a two way street. Just because you slap on a badge doesn't require me to stand salute and call you sir.

Respect is earned thorugh accomplishment and actions, not through shiny metal badges and stripes.

Whew...that was a long one...I've got to take a nap.....

seretogis · 06-02-2003, 08:24 PM

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Originally posted by BAMF
I really really hate evyer single one of them. I think they are just out to screw people over. Lets start at the beggining.

THe police had a picture of my brother rioting.

Did anyone else just stop reading this post after reading the above?

Phaenx · 06-02-2003, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by BoCo
That's what I was thinking. You knowingly lied to a cop, and now you're angry that she is making more trouble for you. Your brother caused damage to private property, and he won't even show up to make a statement. I feel sorry for the person whose insurance may go up because he has to get his car fixed because of your drunk brother. If this goes to court, and you swear on the Bible that you'll tell the whole truth, will you actually tell the whole truth, or will you continue to lie? If you do lie, and more problems come your way, then don't come crying to us for sympathy. Play by the rules, stay sober, tell the truth, and you'll probably never be in trouble.

Also, get your brother some counselling, as he sounds like he could use some. Public intoxication and rioting aren't going to lead to a healthy and productive life for that guy.

By the way, I love the police. If it weren't for them, civilized society wouldn't stand a chance.

I can't add anything else that Boco hasn't. You lied to a cop, what the hell did you expect to happen? Jeez.

Force 10 · 06-02-2003, 09:03 PM

BAMF,

Relax, take none of this personal. It's only a message board. You must have known you would get a reaction like this. Take what critism you want and try to learn from it. If it's all wrong, fuck it ya know. Who the hell are we to judge you anyway. But remember, you did come here to be judged...

komodo · 06-02-2003, 09:29 PM

The problem? Trouble with John Law.

The solution? I think avoiding riots and people who cause damage to other people's cars would be a good idea (and don't fucking tell me there was 'no real damage', because dents cost money to hammer out). Additionally, lying to the cops is never a good plan, because they'll almost always get stories from different people... even if you both lie, you'll probably tell different lies. Red flag, please come downtown.

I don't get why people whine about the cops- as far as I can tell, you (or your brother) were guilty of everything they said you were, even if they did punish you harshly.

madsenj37 · 06-02-2003, 10:37 PM

I have no problems with cops and they have no problems with me. I will say that I have noticed it really depends on where you live. If your in a small town, small time stuff is taken more seriously, because they have less to worry about compared to a big city. Big cities seem to let smaller things go.

seretogis · 06-03-2003, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by Bones
WHY THE FUCK WERE YOU SITTING ON THE GOD DAMN HOOD IN THE FIRST PLACE.

(insert Bone's edited comment here)

I blame the parents. It's yet another classic case of "I am a victim who can do no wrong" and it's due largely to a shitty job of parenting. Couple a lack of parenting with public media networks that have no sense, and the result is people who have no respect for others or any sort of authority figure.

tommyboy · 06-03-2003, 09:26 AM

when you point your finger at someone you have three pointing right back at you

Cynthetiq · 06-03-2003, 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by BAMF
And I dont think I made myself clear, when I said a dent in the hood I didnt mean a damaging one. If you sit on the hodd of a honda accord it is likely to become concave. If you get up there is a good chance it might pop out normal, otherwise just pop the hood and tap it from behind and it pops back out.

And I gathered that the point of the comments was to pay for our mistakes and that we deserved the consequences.

I didnt rat my brother out : I dont know the punishment yet

I understand the comments, and I dont think anyone here has any real friends that would stick up for them. If there was ever a real victim I might rat a friend out. I didnt think my first posts through, they were written with more hatred then logical thought.

time and a place for everything.

But if it's not your car.. don't sit on the mofo hood. It's pretty simple. You want to sit down and you didn't bring your own chair? Have your butt grab some DIRT.

As far as not drinking blah blah blah... my friends drink and are responsible about it. What does that mean to me? It means that they aren't asses when someone asks them questions, they don't sit on a car that doesn't belong to them, they are respectful to authority.

raeanna74 · 06-03-2003, 01:57 PM

Omittion of fact relative to an investigation is looked on as lying. As a teacher when there was a problem with students misbehaving and one of them told me only part of the story not the whole story I tended to distrust everything else they said. Also if they were omitting information it was always because they either were protecting someone elses misbehavior or their own. If there was no damage to the vehicle then there would have been no proof other than witnesses. The most he could have gotten written up would be public intoxication (which was the case) and possibly making a disturbance. If there was any damage whatsoever (I would consider a slight dent as damage) then he had the responsibility to come forward and face the consequences of his actions. If there was even a slight dent in the hood of the car it would affect it's value (given that the car wasn't already a beat up rest bucket) and to get it repaired could possibly include repainting the entire hood. A dent even if you manage to hammer it out frequently results in cracked paint while in turn will eventually allow flaking and rust. In the middle of the hood of a perfectly decent car this looks like an ugly mar. I have seen cops that pick out some of the smallest infractions and I understand some of the frustration but it almost appears to me as though you have had a negative attitude from the get go or you would have been more helpful to the police. Another word of advice regarding being seen at the riot - don't stir up trouble and you won't get it. You may not have caused the damage at the riot but your presence and that of all the other "innocent" rioters encouraged those who caused the damage to do what they did. You may not have done it yourself but being present and not attempting to stop the vandels makes you "party to the crime."
Stay home to drink and don't stick around when people are making trouble. Let them deal with the problems and don't cover for them. By covering for your brother he didn't learn to be responsible for his actions. The next lesson that presents itself might be much worse for him that will be partly your fault for trying to cover the first time.

mrap1 · 06-03-2003, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by seretogis
I blame the parents. It's yet another classic case of "I am a victim who can do no wrong" and it's due largely to a shitty job of parenting. Couple a lack of parenting with public media networks that have no sense, and the result is people who have no respect for others or any sort of authority figure.

While I agree that his way of thinking is questionable to say the least, I am more hesitant to blame all of this on the parents. These guys are obviously older, responsible for their own actions. He said it was a college town which leads me to believe that he is being influenced more by his newfound freedom and friends than by his parents.

seretogis · 06-03-2003, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by mrap1
While I agree that his way of thinking is questionable to say the least, I am more hesitant to blame all of this on the parents. These guys are obviously older, responsible for their own actions. He said it was a college town which leads me to believe that he is being influenced more by his newfound freedom and friends than by his parents.

Well, someone with bad parents is more likely to be spineless when in a situation that involves "peer pressure". However, what I am specifically making my point on is his "none of it is my fault" attitude, rather than his actions.

krwlz · 06-03-2003, 02:44 PM

BAMF, I am not saying that should or should not do anything, nor am I saying it was right or wrong. What I am saying is that if you do something that goes against the law...be prepared to bend over dude, cuz your gunna get it up the ass.....

On that note, if you don't want to hear honest opinions from the members of the board, don't post threads like this....

cheerios · 06-03-2003, 02:57 PM

Ok, we all get the point, that's enough. remember guys, respect is what it's about, even when we don't agree.

06-02-2003, 08:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
BAMF Crazy	I hate the police I really really hate evyer single one of them. I think they are just out to screw people over. Lets start at the beggining. THe police had a picture of my brother rioting. They asked him to come down and give a statement so they could find those "responsible for casuing the damage". They publically said that a majority of the damge was caused by a handful of people, and those people will pay. My brother did $0.00 worth of damage. He was just there with 5000+ other people. Either way they had his stateent that he was present and didnt do any damage. Two weeks later he was arrested because "We need to show that it doesnt matter how much damage you cause at a riot, you can still get in trouble." They were all (14 people arrested) then told that they were going to be scapegoats. It took us 2 lawyers, and he ended up with 330 hours of community service and 1 year probation. The community service had to be done from 8pm to 8am at a homeless shelter. All in all they lied to him to get a statement then used his statment against him. That is the brief version, I could go on for pages about evey other thing the cops did wrong, but I need to move on. My brothers 21 birthday. He was drunk at the bars, I was with him. Eventually a few of his friends took him home and put him to bed. 30 mins later I left with some of my friends to check on him (he lives about 2 blocks away, so we were walking). About 1/2 way there he comes jogging down the road towards us, runs over, and sits on a car hood (92 honda accord) denting it, but causing no real damage. This was outside a fraterinity, so about 30 people got all gay up in our face, and this girl I was with was screaming at them, My brother then ran off, she was still screaming so I couldnt leave, then the cops showed up. I was quiet. I made up a story about me just walking down the street when someone I knew from class ran over and sat on the car then took off. They found out from someone else that he was my brother. She (the cop) called me a liar, said I was providing false information, obstructing an investigation, and being uncooperative. She then arrested me for public intox. And I still never told them where my brother was or where he lived. They had his old address on their computers, so they never found him. So all in all I got arrested for not ratting out my brother at the drop of a hat. At the station I blew a 0.09, if anyone is interested. She spent 2 weeks looking for my brother, even called our house and talked to my parents. Eventually she called him and he arranged to come in and give a statement, he told her that he was coming with a lawyer, she said "bring it on". The lawyer said he advises his clients to "NEVER GIVE STATEMENTS TO THE POLICE" (very important advice for everyone). So my brother just never showed up at the police station when he was supposed to. She (the cop) called our house and got in a fight on the phone with my dad, and that was the last we heard. I had a court apperance today, but my lawyer when instead of me, and I havent heard what happened yet. ADvice: Never talk to cops. Riddle?: What comes first? the cop or the asshole. Do assholes become cops, or does the cop job turn normal people into assholes?

06-02-2003, 08:16 AM	#2 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	sorry you've had some experiences, which from your point of view, were negative... That being said... Policepersons are some of the most dedicated and honorable people around. The fact that there are some idiots among them is a mere demographic truism. Any amount of civilized life we have on our streets is the result of their life-risking effort. When I see a cop I take the time to say "You guys do a great job. A lot of people appreciate that. Thanks." __________________ create evolution

06-02-2003, 08:33 AM	#5 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	you cant really base your judgement on these incidents, you're judging an entire group by actions of a few induviduals. there are good cops and bad cops, but certainly more good ones out there. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

06-02-2003, 08:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
Minx Junkie Location: Up yonder	I agree with The Dude...no matter what profession you are talking about you are going to run into good people and assholes...be they lawyers, teachers, doctors, police...doesn't matter. I think in general the police do an excellent job. If we didn't have them it wouldn't be safe to walk the streets. I for one am very thankful for the job they do everyday, especially those that risk their lives everyday so we, the general public, can remain safe. __________________ You've been a naughty boy....go to my room!

06-02-2003, 08:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	I'm sorry that you've started out bad with the police, but I too am having a hard time generating sympathy. I know that probably isn't what you wanted to hear. My advice, start taking responsibility for your actions and let your brother do the same. Please believe me when I say it will make your life much easier in the years ahead. good luck. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

06-02-2003, 08:16 AM	#3 (permalink)
mtsgsd Addict Location: Wisconsin, USA	I guess you're looking for comments since you posted this. I'm sorry I can't offer any sympathy though. You were both doing things you should not have been doing, and you got busted for it. How is this the cop's fault?

06-02-2003, 08:47 AM	#8 (permalink)
Leander Crazy Location: The Land o'Toxins and Wudder	I am still trying to understand how these incidents are the fault of the police. Both you and your brother put yourselves in situations that, to be blunt, were not very smart. Your actions were responsible for the consequences. Some cops are jerks, others aren't. That's true of everyone, everywhere. __________________ Just me and God, watching Scotty die..

06-02-2003, 10:11 AM	#9 (permalink)
BAMF Crazy	I dont see the connecting between someone who gets drunk on their 21st needing counsuling. ANd I did not lie to the cop, I just never told her that the person was my brother, and I wasnt drunk..if I had waited 10 more minutes I probably would have been under the legal limit and allowed to drive, not that I would. And there was no damage to the car. And there are a thousand things cops could be doing, other than arresting people they dont get along with. Maybe cops are just assholes in college towns. Either way I have absolutley no respect for power tripping assholes, regardless of whether or not they are a cop. And every cop ive met has been a power tripping asshole. Detective work..what? no, they just coherice statements from people that dont know any better then bust them with their statement being the only evidence. They woudnlt do 5 minutes of work to find real criminals. I was arrested for public intox walking down a street minding my own business. If I ever get the oppurtunity I would make sure that cops have to answer to a civilan board that can fire or suspend them. I think its wrong to have a group of civilans (cops + famil and friends) that get away with everything short of murder.

06-02-2003, 10:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	I'm sorry, everything just doesn't sound consistent. Even in your story, even with editing, even after the fact, even not being involved myself. I would suggest if you are going to look for people to agree with your statements, be clear. Otherwise your arguement is already put in doubt. And not to say that you are wrong or right (I've had my questionable calls by the police too) but you should consider that if you put yourself into a questionable situation in the first place, then you are taking the risk that you become a target, whether by civilians or the force. Don't be the one to "claim" you are victim of unfairness, (whether right or wrong) take the extra step and don't put yourself there... One of the reasons I don't like going out clubbing Fridays, something always seems to "happen" on Fridays, maybe because everyone is partying & on the edge. I prefer Wed, Thurs, Sat or Sun. And if someone (even a friend or family member) seems to have a "pattern" of trouble following, then avoid being sucked into that "pattern". Look into your memory, you'll see it right in front of you. Remember you are responsible to yourself first. Otherwise how will you be stable enough to help others then if your situation is unbalanced? Last edited by rogue49; 06-02-2003 at 10:57 AM..

06-02-2003, 12:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	hmm... like my SIL she didn't intend for the bad end result so it's not her fault... It's your fault. Own up to it. You were drinking. It's your responsibility. Same thing goes for the brother... __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

06-02-2003, 12:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	what bones said...wake up, and grow up... __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

06-02-2003, 12:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	Well, BAMF, its is obvious that your a rookie, even without your title...I think everyone posts one or two thread where they get ripped a new asshole when they want sympathy before they learn...I did. That said, Man, everyone else is right, some cops are good, some bad, but bottom line they cant arrest you if your obeying the law...So in order to really see the bad side of a cop, you have to fuck up. Imagine if there were no cops....scary place man, I have my guns, but I don't really want to use em on other people...

06-02-2003, 04:15 PM	#15 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	YES! NEVER GIVE THE POLICE STATEMENTS! remember...... if you know who raped your grandmother... don't tell the police! lame lame LAME

06-02-2003, 04:50 PM	#16 (permalink)
Force 10 Had to leave this awesome space	Sounds like the cops hate you too. Damn them all! Actually, It's a good thing I'm not a cop. I'd be a bad cop. Trust me on this. I'd kick the shit outta more little assholes then you could shake a stick at. As for your brother rioting with no damage, whatever; he caused damage just by being there. Just because 5000 others were there too, doesn't make it right. It's just he was dumb enough to have been caught on tape…hence dumb enough to pay for it. I love it, justice. You want to lie and try to manipulate the system and is okay for you but not the cops? I say hooray for the cops that talked your brother into giving them a statement they could use against him. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. No real damage to the hood of the car and you made up some story about some other guy: Sounds to me like you can't fess up to your actions. Sounds to me like you'd rather someone else pay for your (or your brothers) drunken stupor. It's called growing up my friend. Take a little responsibility for your actions and quit trying to blame your idiocy on society. This really makes me pist off actually. I'm not attacking you directly per se. It's just that one day you're going to have kids and you're going to invoke your thoughts into their wanting little heads. Then your kids will pollute other kids with the "fuck the police" syndrome. It's just not smart. It's true, like Art said, that there are asshole bad cops out there...how could there not be? But it's also true for society in general. There are asshole bad people out there that need the shit kicked out of them by the asshole bad cops. It all pans out in the end. I for one enjoy most of the police and have no problem standing up for them. I was once an asshole too. ps...tell that guy with the dented hood that I saw it all if he needs someone in court. Last edited by Force 10; 06-02-2003 at 04:57 PM..

06-02-2003, 05:10 PM	#17 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	just compare our cops to the corrupt cops around the world, and then you'll realize what we have __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

06-02-2003, 05:21 PM	#18 (permalink)
PSnyder Upright	It's impossible to have a policy of don't lie EVER or NEVER get in questionable situations. It's like saying don't jay-walk or don't speed, drive extra careful. I couldn't live like that, life is fast and supposed to be fun. BAMF didn't do a thing wrong, lying to protect your friends and family makes sense. Actually I think he was only just not telling the whole truth, sure it was someone he knew but he had nothing to do with the accident. He shouldn't have to say it is his brother, just someone he knew. The lawyer is right, don't make statements. My brother and uncle were on jetskis, fooling around (having fun), one jetski flew over the front of the other, my uncle got hurt a little, do you think he told that to the cops? Don't be stupid. Honesty isn't everything, trust me. I still don't see why BAMF got in so much trouble. You should all act more like him, else life means very little. There is so much to argue here, I can't even consider it all at once. Last edited by PSnyder; 06-02-2003 at 05:37 PM..

06-02-2003, 05:31 PM	#19 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	I didn't say don't do shit....I just said don't piss and moan when you get caught and have to pay up...

06-02-2003, 05:39 PM	#20 (permalink)
PSnyder Upright	So you do do shit and take risks. while walking down the street may be a risk, but that's all he did, nothing he did was irresponsible. I take more risks on a daily basis than he did that particular night. you guys said its all right for the police to twist and deceive to catch people, i say you should then bend and sly your way out of trouble. Last edited by PSnyder; 06-02-2003 at 05:48 PM..

06-02-2003, 06:26 PM	#21 (permalink)
Atanvarno Tilted Location: Norway	I have had encouters with the police ending badly myself, but if there's something wrong it's not the police officers who are doing an (often) thankless and dangerous job for low pay. Rather it's the laws. If you say you hate the politicians, go ahead, I won't hold it against you. Saying you hate the police however, just helps make their job even more thankless, and much much harder. Harder job for the cops means more cops, which means larger chance to get a bad cop and you having to pay more taxes __________________ Memorization is a poor excuse for intelligence." - Cesar Martinez-Garza (1973 ->) - Last edited by Atanvarno; 06-02-2003 at 06:30 PM..

06-02-2003, 06:42 PM	#22 (permalink)
Glad-I-Ate-Her Junkie Location: 1 mile from Ground Zero	You and your brother have to live up to what you did. Regardless of your intentions. If some drunk "dented" your hood, like your brother did, how would either of you feel? I'm sure you would be screaming and calling the police (that you hate) for help!! Someday (I hope it never happens) you may need the police that you hate, they might save you or your brothers life. Think about it. __________________ I'm "Glad I Ate Her" because the payback was worth it!!

06-02-2003, 07:02 PM	#23 (permalink)
BAMF Crazy	I guess I was wrong, you guys are right. I will never again drink 5 beers on a weekend. I will rat out my brother to save my own ass from now on. If a good friend gets drunk on his 21st I will not go and check on him, so I dont put myself at any risk. And some background, the cops had the names of 8 people that flipped a car during the riot. They didnt bother splitting up the police report when they handed it out to the poepl that were arrested, so I read it all. Of those 8 people that did real damage (a BMW was flipped in a parking garage) only 1 of them was picked up. They had over 300 identified people at the riot. My brother was arrested BECAUSE he cooperated with the police. Next time he has a beer I will call the cops on him, just in case something happens it would be better for me that he be in jail.

06-02-2003, 07:14 PM	#24 (permalink)
Shokan Addict Location: Canada	BAMF - You totally missed the point of everyone's comments. Please read them again carefully. __________________ Legalize it.

06-02-2003, 07:24 PM	#25 (permalink)
BAMF Crazy	And I dont think I made myself clear, when I said a dent in the hood I didnt mean a damaging one. If you sit on the hodd of a honda accord it is likely to become concave. If you get up there is a good chance it might pop out normal, otherwise just pop the hood and tap it from behind and it pops back out. And I gathered that the point of the comments was to pay for our mistakes and that we deserved the consequences. I didnt rat my brother out : I dont know the punishment yet My brother was present at a riot with 5000 other people, only about 20 people were doing damge, instead of doing any kind of investigation in order to punish those people the plan was to call in anyone they could identify and arrest them if they confessed to being present. So my brother cooperated with the police : Punishment 330 hours of community service. I understand the comments, and I dont think anyone here has any real friends that would stick up for them. If there was ever a real victim I might rat a friend out. I didnt think my first posts through, they were written with more hatred then logical thought. I am thinking now, and right now I know I would not want to be friends with most of you. Remember, if you see me in a bar, dial 911. I put myself at unreasonable risks by going out on weekends. I should just sit at home all the time I am not at work.

06-02-2003, 07:29 PM	#26 (permalink)
BAMF Crazy	Oh, and we talked to the guy who owned the honda, and since there was no damage he ended up calling the prosecuters office and dropping the charges against my brother. The charges he never personally pressed, but the cop did it in his name.

06-02-2003, 09:03 PM	#30 (permalink)
Force 10 Had to leave this awesome space	BAMF, Relax, take none of this personal. It's only a message board. You must have known you would get a reaction like this. Take what critism you want and try to learn from it. If it's all wrong, fuck it ya know. Who the hell are we to judge you anyway. But remember, you did come here to be judged...

06-02-2003, 09:29 PM	#31 (permalink)
komodo Tilted	The problem? Trouble with John Law. The solution? I think avoiding riots and people who cause damage to other people's cars would be a good idea (and don't fucking tell me there was 'no real damage', because dents cost money to hammer out). Additionally, lying to the cops is never a good plan, because they'll almost always get stories from different people... even if you both lie, you'll probably tell different lies. Red flag, please come downtown. I don't get why people whine about the cops- as far as I can tell, you (or your brother) were guilty of everything they said you were, even if they did punish you harshly.

06-02-2003, 10:37 PM	#32 (permalink)
madsenj37 Still searching... Location: NorCal For Life	I have no problems with cops and they have no problems with me. I will say that I have noticed it really depends on where you live. If your in a small town, small time stuff is taken more seriously, because they have less to worry about compared to a big city. Big cities seem to let smaller things go. __________________ "Only two things are certain: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not certain about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

06-03-2003, 09:26 AM	#34 (permalink)
tommyboy Psycho Location: NH	when you point your finger at someone you have three pointing right back at you

06-03-2003, 01:57 PM	#36 (permalink)
raeanna74 I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot! Location: Upper Michigan	Omittion of fact relative to an investigation is looked on as lying. As a teacher when there was a problem with students misbehaving and one of them told me only part of the story not the whole story I tended to distrust everything else they said. Also if they were omitting information it was always because they either were protecting someone elses misbehavior or their own. If there was no damage to the vehicle then there would have been no proof other than witnesses. The most he could have gotten written up would be public intoxication (which was the case) and possibly making a disturbance. If there was any damage whatsoever (I would consider a slight dent as damage) then he had the responsibility to come forward and face the consequences of his actions. If there was even a slight dent in the hood of the car it would affect it's value (given that the car wasn't already a beat up rest bucket) and to get it repaired could possibly include repainting the entire hood. A dent even if you manage to hammer it out frequently results in cracked paint while in turn will eventually allow flaking and rust. In the middle of the hood of a perfectly decent car this looks like an ugly mar. I have seen cops that pick out some of the smallest infractions and I understand some of the frustration but it almost appears to me as though you have had a negative attitude from the get go or you would have been more helpful to the police. Another word of advice regarding being seen at the riot - don't stir up trouble and you won't get it. You may not have caused the damage at the riot but your presence and that of all the other "innocent" rioters encouraged those who caused the damage to do what they did. You may not have done it yourself but being present and not attempting to stop the vandels makes you "party to the crime." Stay home to drink and don't stick around when people are making trouble. Let them deal with the problems and don't cover for them. By covering for your brother he didn't learn to be responsible for his actions. The next lesson that presents itself might be much worse for him that will be partly your fault for trying to cover the first time. __________________ "Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma.

06-03-2003, 02:44 PM	#39 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	BAMF, I am not saying that should or should not do anything, nor am I saying it was right or wrong. What I am saying is that if you do something that goes against the law...be prepared to bend over dude, cuz your gunna get it up the ass..... On that note, if you don't want to hear honest opinions from the members of the board, don't post threads like this....

06-03-2003, 02:57 PM	#40 (permalink)
cheerios Banned Location: 'bout 2 feet from my iMac	Ok, we all get the point, that's enough. remember guys, respect is what it's about, even when we don't agree.