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Astrocloud · 10-10-2005, 12:05 PM

Madonna's first religion was Catholicism -which she promptly offended some religious types. Now she "converts" to a new faith and proceeds to piss them off.
http://www.jewsweek.com/bin/en.jsp?e...nZone=Articles

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Jewish Mystics to Madonna: Lay off our sage!
A song on Madonna's upcoming album dedicated to a Kabbalist rabbi is drawing criticism from some rabbis.

Madonna and Friend in Tel Aviv at a Kabbalah "Shiyur"

A song on Madonna's upcoming album dedicated to a Kabbalist rabbi is drawing criticism from some rabbis, the Israeli Maariv daily reported Sunday.

The album, "Confessions on a Dance Floor," is to be released on Nov. 15 and features a track entitled "Isaac" about Yitzhak Luria, a 16th century Jewish mystic and Kabbalah scholar.

Rabbis who oversee Luria's tomb and a seminary in the northern town of Safed are unimpressed with Madonna's musical tribute and see the inclusion of the song about Luria on the album as an attempt by the pop star to profit from his name.

Madonna made a much publicized visit to Israel in 2004, when she visited many sites important to Kabbalah, but she did not travel north to Luria's grave.

The singer and actress was raised a Roman Catholic but has become a follower of Kabbalah in recent years. Madonna has adopted the Hebrew name Esther, wears a red string around her wrist to ward off the "evil eye" and reportedly refuses to perform on the Jewish Sabbath. She is one of a group of non-Jewish celebrities who have taken an interest in Kabbalah in recent years.

The movement has sparked skepticism and criticism among many of the rabbis who specialize in studying and teaching Kabbalah. Jewish tradition holds that Kabbalah is so powerful and complicated that students may not begin to approach it until after age 40. Among the elements of Kabbalah are mystical meanings drawn from holy books by recombination of letters and other signs.

Rabbi Rafael Cohen, head of a seminary named after Luria, suggested Madonna's actions could lead to divine retribution.

"Jewish law forbids the use of the name of the holy rabbi for profit. Her act is just simply unacceptable and I can only sympathize for her because of the punishment that she is going to receive from the heavens," Cohen told Maariv.

Another rabbi called for Madonna to be thrown out of the community.

"Such a woman brings great sin on kabbalah," Rabbi Israel Deri told Maariv. "I hope that we will have the strength to prevent her from bringing sin upon the holiness of the Rabbi (Yitzhak Luria)."

Deri serves as deputy chair of the Religious Sites Authority, which oversees Luria's burial site in Safed. Neither Deri nor Cohen were available for comment on Sunday.

I'm kinda looking forward to the divine retribution... Maybe God will inspire her followers that her music really does suck.

denim · 10-10-2005, 12:31 PM

It's just a fad that she's taking part in. My response to that article is "whatever".

pig · 10-10-2005, 12:35 PM

Madonna = jumped the shark, jumped the couch, jump a lot of things and now it would seem she's just batshit crazy. Has she officially Yokoed Guy Ritchie?

Ustwo · 10-10-2005, 12:46 PM

Madonna, master of the publicity stunt.

canuckguy · 10-10-2005, 12:47 PM

madonna who? do people really listen to her music for a message? can't believe people actually care about what she or really any other celb has to say. If she wants to put her money were her mouth is thats fine, but who cares what she thinks. My guess would be that even if she never said anything religious that the jewish rabbi or whatever would have been pissed that it was not mentioned. anything to get into the news and sell records/promote religion. Saw her in concert when i was younger during the blond something or other tour. She was hot.

LOL, there is a website called jewsweek.com? I remember reading a thread where using the name jew was an insult? not that it is to me. gonna go surf over to irishweekly.com.

Poppinjay · 10-10-2005, 12:58 PM

What happens when people get famous? Are they taken to some undergournd lair and indoctrinated in the cult of the crazy?

I think most people don't give a rat's ass what Madonna says, or Streisand or any of these people. But THEY think we hang on every word.

Redlemon · 10-10-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by brian1975

LOL, there is a website called jewsweek.com? I remember reading a thread where using the name jew was an insult? not that it is to me.

The thread was From Bitch Dog to Jew Couple.... To save you the reading time: "Jew" as a noun is OK, but "Jew" as an adjective is insulting; "Jewish" would be the correct adjective.

/ end threadjack

Sweetpea · 10-10-2005, 01:31 PM

oh my goodness... GASP! Someone Using religious beliefs to PROFIT... i'm shocked

hehehehe

Sweetpea

StanT · 10-10-2005, 01:43 PM

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Madonna offends God, news at six

Hard to believe that there was anyone left for her to offend.

flat5 · 10-10-2005, 01:47 PM

She does not need this song to make her famous. All she did was write a song about a person or subject. She's not the one raising the fuss.

docbungle · 10-10-2005, 01:48 PM

I find it ridiculous that these "religious" folk deem others not worthy of their religion. I see the same irony here as I do in catholocism.

Ganggreen · 10-10-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by denim

My response to that article is "whatever".

couldn't have said it better myself.

denim · 10-10-2005, 02:52 PM

"Celebrities" have to maintain a certain visability. It's important for their careers. I don't think Madonna is in that category, though. I think flat5 nailed it; it's the rabbies involved who are being attention mongers.

I'm a bit hesitant to call a rabbi an attention whore. We'll see where this goes, if it ever shows up in the news again, which I rather doubt.

albania · 10-10-2005, 03:35 PM

Who cares? Why would this be news? Madonna is old and not cool she hasn't made a good album since around the time i was born.

Val_1 · 10-10-2005, 05:05 PM

God seems to be rather easily offended. Madonna? Come on.

Xazy · 10-11-2005, 04:11 AM

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I find it ridiculous that these "religious" folk deem others not worthy of their religion.

Maybe if she was serious about the religeon she would be acceptable. But she is not following the beliefs at all, just making a mockery of them.

denim · 10-11-2005, 06:24 AM

I think God is amused by stupidity. Why else would there be so much of it?

docbungle · 10-11-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Xazy

Maybe if she was serious about the religeon she would be acceptable. But she is not following the beliefs at all, just making a mockery of them.

IMO, the people in every religion on this planet make mockeries of themselves and their religion when they behave like they "own the rights" to worship. As if we must have their approval in order to worship correctly. God gave you the right and the ability to worship any way you like. So go ahead and do that and let Madonna take care of her own soul as she sees fit.

Fire · 10-12-2005, 02:38 AM

As to the exclusivity of the jewish religion, addressed above, I wish that more religions were more selective on who got to join- If you disagree, watch a televangelist some time ( Robert Tilton is a good example, as well as giving me an amusing idea of what the anti-christ should look/ act like)

Xazy · 10-12-2005, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by docbungle

IMO, the people in every religion on this planet make mockeries of themselves and their religion when they behave like they "own the rights" to worship. As if we must have their approval in order to worship correctly. God gave you the right and the ability to worship any way you like. So go ahead and do that and let Madonna take care of her own soul as she sees fit.

Interesting thought and I agree for the most part. I do not care how she worships, preys, does what she wants. But making a total mockery of someone’s belief publicly, making songs about an amazing Rebbi, a gadol hador (the greatest rabbi of his generation, consider it to a pope, but not exactly) in a song, where there are religious issues to even listen to a woman sing. Etc... That is where I say it is wrong. If she wants to do what she wants at home, go for it, it is for G-d to judge not me. But to make a public mockery, and bring about the fakeness to an aspect of the religion publicly like she has, is wrong.

flat5 · 10-12-2005, 03:24 AM

Xazy, have you heard the song? Does it mock the rabbi?

docbungle · 10-12-2005, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Xazy

Interesting thought and I agree for the most part. I do not care how she worships, preys, does what she wants. But making a total mockery of someone’s belief publicly, making songs about an amazing Rebbi, a gadol hador (the greatest rabbi of his generation, consider it to a pope, but not exactly) in a song, where there are religious issues to even listen to a woman sing. Etc... That is where I say it is wrong. If she wants to do what she wants at home, go for it, it is for G-d to judge not me. But to make a public mockery, and bring about the fakeness to an aspect of the religion publicly like she has, is wrong.

Well then what are they doing listening to Madonna in the first place? She's not exactly a gospel singer. I compare this to Ford Motor Company being offended when the manufacturer of Twinkies publicly praises the quality of Ford's engines.

Xazy · 10-12-2005, 10:31 AM

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Well then what are they doing listening to Madonna in the first place?

I actually highly doubt that they have ever heard her sing, ever. It is them getting more upset at someone making a mockery of G-d and the belief. Imagine someone making a mockery of the a 'Saint' if you would.

HedwigStrange · 10-12-2005, 07:41 PM

Does anyone else enjoy the irony of the title? "Madonna offends God?" What, are His Holiness and the Virgin Mary in a tiff?
And personally, if I were a rabbi, I would be asking myself why God made Madonna so successful if she is a blasphemer. After all, it must have been a miracle to blind people enough that they would buy her drivel.

Xazy · 10-14-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by HedwigStrange

Does anyone else enjoy the irony of the title? "Madonna offends God?" What, are His Holiness and the Virgin Mary in a tiff?
And personally, if I were a rabbi, I would be asking myself why God made Madonna so successful if she is a blasphemer. After all, it must have been a miracle to blind people enough that they would buy her drivel.

Free will.

pinkie · 11-15-2005, 01:07 PM

edit............

riverman · 11-17-2005, 01:36 PM

I think Madonna was unwise to include that song. Mixing religion with entertainment is bound to cause some offence when the artist is controversial.

Aphrodite · 11-17-2005, 02:05 PM

Religions are easy to offend.

ironman · 11-17-2005, 08:01 PM

As religion and state, entertainment and religion must be separated, no an easy task though.

billege · 11-17-2005, 10:47 PM

Madonna is a total flake, and the hollywood Kabbalah is such a scam. She's a joke who's fallen for a joke. I only care enough to express just how annoying it is that she gets attention for it.

DonovanDuVal · 12-04-2005, 06:40 AM

Having seen Madonna on the MTV award ceremony the other week where to prove Elton John wrong she actually sang live I can honestly say that she has now not only offended God, but also managed to offend me.

You can't help but be offended when someone shits in your ears.

It's nice that she tried to answer her critics and managed to prove to the whole world that she's one of the world's most popular singers, that can't actually sing very well.

Xazy · 12-05-2005, 04:08 AM

You have to realize being succesful singer does not neccesarily have to do with having the best voice. It is about presentation and knowing how to sell yourself. While I am not a madonna fan, no one can say she does not know how to sell herself!

Lucifer · 12-05-2005, 10:27 AM

there's no such thing as bad pubicity

10-10-2005, 12:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
pig pigglet pigglet Location: Locash	Madonna = jumped the shark, jumped the couch, jump a lot of things and now it would seem she's just batshit crazy. Has she officially Yokoed Guy Ritchie? __________________ You don't love me, you just love my piggy style

10-10-2005, 12:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Madonna, master of the publicity stunt. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-10-2005, 12:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	What happens when people get famous? Are they taken to some undergournd lair and indoctrinated in the cult of the crazy? I think most people don't give a rat's ass what Madonna says, or Streisand or any of these people. But THEY think we hang on every word. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

10-10-2005, 01:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
Sweetpea Fade out Location: in love	oh my goodness... GASP! Someone Using religious beliefs to PROFIT... i'm shocked hehehehe Sweetpea __________________ Having a Pet Will Change Your Life! Looking for a great pet?! Click Here! "I am the Type of Person Who Can Get Away With A lot, Simply Because I Don't Ask Permission for the Privilege of Being Myself"

10-10-2005, 01:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
docbungle It's all downhill from here Location: Denver	I find it ridiculous that these "religious" folk deem others not worthy of their religion. I see the same irony here as I do in catholocism. __________________ Bad Luck City

10-10-2005, 12:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
denim Banned Location: Massachusetts, USA	It's just a fad that she's taking part in. My response to that article is "whatever".

10-10-2005, 12:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
canuckguy I read your emails. Location: earth	madonna who? do people really listen to her music for a message? can't believe people actually care about what she or really any other celb has to say. If she wants to put her money were her mouth is thats fine, but who cares what she thinks. My guess would be that even if she never said anything religious that the jewish rabbi or whatever would have been pissed that it was not mentioned. anything to get into the news and sell records/promote religion. Saw her in concert when i was younger during the blond something or other tour. She was hot. LOL, there is a website called jewsweek.com? I remember reading a thread where using the name jew was an insult? not that it is to me. gonna go surf over to irishweekly.com.

10-10-2005, 01:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
flat5 Very Insignificant Pawn Location: Amsterdam, NL	She does not need this song to make her famous. All she did was write a song about a person or subject. She's not the one raising the fuss.

10-10-2005, 02:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
denim Banned Location: Massachusetts, USA	"Celebrities" have to maintain a certain visability. It's important for their careers. I don't think Madonna is in that category, though. I think flat5 nailed it; it's the rabbies involved who are being attention mongers. I'm a bit hesitant to call a rabbi an attention whore. We'll see where this goes, if it ever shows up in the news again, which I rather doubt.

10-10-2005, 03:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
albania Psycho	Who cares? Why would this be news? Madonna is old and not cool she hasn't made a good album since around the time i was born.

10-10-2005, 05:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
Val_1 Addict Location: In a State of Denial	God seems to be rather easily offended. Madonna? Come on. __________________ I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. -Frank Sinatra

10-11-2005, 06:24 AM	#17 (permalink)
denim Banned Location: Massachusetts, USA	I think God is amused by stupidity. Why else would there be so much of it?

10-12-2005, 02:38 AM	#19 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	As to the exclusivity of the jewish religion, addressed above, I wish that more religions were more selective on who got to join- If you disagree, watch a televangelist some time ( Robert Tilton is a good example, as well as giving me an amusing idea of what the anti-christ should look/ act like) __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

10-12-2005, 03:24 AM	#21 (permalink)
flat5 Very Insignificant Pawn Location: Amsterdam, NL	Xazy, have you heard the song? Does it mock the rabbi?

10-12-2005, 07:41 PM	#24 (permalink)
HedwigStrange Tilted	Does anyone else enjoy the irony of the title? "Madonna offends God?" What, are His Holiness and the Virgin Mary in a tiff? And personally, if I were a rabbi, I would be asking myself why God made Madonna so successful if she is a blasphemer. After all, it must have been a miracle to blind people enough that they would buy her drivel.

11-15-2005, 01:07 PM	#26 (permalink)
pinkie Helplessly hoping Location: Above the stars	edit............ Last edited by pinkie; 11-15-2005 at 01:13 PM..

11-17-2005, 01:36 PM	#27 (permalink)
riverman Upright Location: Brighton, UK	I think Madonna was unwise to include that song. Mixing religion with entertainment is bound to cause some offence when the artist is controversial. __________________ We're living in a strange time Working for a strange goal We're turning flesh and body Into soul Strange Boat, The Waterboys

11-17-2005, 02:05 PM	#28 (permalink)
Aphrodite Tilted Location: Lost in the pages of a book full of death	Religions are easy to offend.

11-17-2005, 08:01 PM	#29 (permalink)
ironman Smithers, release the hounds Location: Guatemala, Guatemala	As religion and state, entertainment and religion must be separated, no an easy task though. __________________ If I agreed with you we´d both be wrong

11-17-2005, 10:47 PM	#30 (permalink)
billege Watcher Location: Ohio	Madonna is a total flake, and the hollywood Kabbalah is such a scam. She's a joke who's fallen for a joke. I only care enough to express just how annoying it is that she gets attention for it. __________________ I can sum up the clash of religion in one sentence: "My Invisible Friend is better than your Invisible Friend."

12-04-2005, 06:40 AM	#31 (permalink)
DonovanDuVal Crazy Location: UK	Having seen Madonna on the MTV award ceremony the other week where to prove Elton John wrong she actually sang live I can honestly say that she has now not only offended God, but also managed to offend me. You can't help but be offended when someone shits in your ears. It's nice that she tried to answer her critics and managed to prove to the whole world that she's one of the world's most popular singers, that can't actually sing very well. __________________ "I've been Donovan DuVal. Take care of yourselves, and each other."

12-05-2005, 04:08 AM	#32 (permalink)
Xazy People in masks cannot be trusted Location: NYC	You have to realize being succesful singer does not neccesarily have to do with having the best voice. It is about presentation and knowing how to sell yourself. While I am not a madonna fan, no one can say she does not know how to sell herself!

12-05-2005, 10:27 AM	#33 (permalink)
Lucifer Husband of Seamaiden Location: Nova Scotia	there's no such thing as bad pubicity __________________ I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. - Job 30:29 1123, 6536, 5321