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ironman · 10-10-2005, 09:47 AM

Show me one 100% non-immigrant US citizen that is not an american native, and i'll give you a million bucks. I can't believe you people...

Poppinjay · 10-10-2005, 09:55 AM

When I lived in Kansas, if we did not have illegal immigrants, our building would have stunk from the garbage. We had a total of one white custodian who felt she was above all the Mexicans and refused to do much of anything because they would do it all.

Equating his presence in America to robbery, drunk driving, and general thuggery is not appropriate. He wanted an opportunity, we make them here. It's our biggest seller.

The laws and customs of this country stem from a group of rowdies who came illegaly, spoke a strange language, and had no respect for the customs of the place.

If an illegal is basically a good guy and good social fabric, keep him. Make him legal. This country works hand over foot to speed up the process for Europeans if they have valuable knowledge, or a song on the pop charts.

Mojo_PeiPei · 10-10-2005, 10:43 AM

This country was founded by a bunch of honkie's who came here and liked what they saw. They came and conquered the land, making it their's, to the victor go the spoils. The white man who came here didn't come illegally, there was no broad central power in America, there was no one language in America prior to them coming, there was no unifying customs even.

I'm 100% non-immigrant, I was born and naturalized in the states according to our laws, as many in my family have been for many generations.

Sucks for this guy, but he was an illegal.

Rodney · 10-10-2005, 11:04 AM

Most people who come here illegally, especially from Mexico, are just looking to survive, looking to make a few bucks and support their families. Who can argue with that?

That said, the history of America shows that, time and again, the people with the big bucks make money and keep power by keeping the guy one rung up from the bottom of the ladder fighting with the guy standing on the ground below him, to keep his place.

You can rant about the law all you want, but if American business didn't want the illegals here for low-wage work, they wouldn't be here at all. Want to keep illegals out of the country? Set up a system where business has to verify the ID of every hire against an automated national database, or face heavy fines or even jail terms. That'd do it. Do you see anybody proposing this? No way. Instead, Bush and company want to find ways to legally import "illegals" for short times for their labor, then ship them back home.

If you don't want illegals here in large numbers, you know who to blame. And it's not the illegals themselves.

Poppinjay · 10-10-2005, 11:05 AM

So by those rules, they could have just stayed in Europe and claimed it as a whole.

No one language.

No unifying customs.

No broad central power.

Somehow, I think Spain, France, and Germany might have had a problem with that.

Mojo_PeiPei · 10-10-2005, 01:07 PM

They tried didn't they?

Pragma · 10-10-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rekna

Apparently you haven't read the threads above... he doens't need an untraceable check. there are lots of ways for illegals to volentarily and involentarily pay taxes.

I did read the posts - I meant income tax. Everyone pays sales tax, but would it be possible for an illegal immigrant to pay income tax, seeing as how the IRS would immediately notice "oh wait, he's not legal", etc.

Ganggreen · 10-10-2005, 02:43 PM

i agree, he should be deported. if he was such a great guy he wouldn't be involved in "ILLEGAL" activity.

Psycho Dad · 10-10-2005, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Suave

I'm sure you'd feel the same way about laws if you were driving and accidentally hit and killed someone, got convicted of manslaughter, and were sent off to prison where you were summarily raped for 3 years. You'd be like "well, I deserved it, because that's the law no matter how good a person I may be."

As was the last time that came up in one of these threads I have to question what states are issuing sentences of ass raping.

frogza · 10-10-2005, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ironman

Show me one 100% non-immigrant US citizen that is not an american native, and i'll give you a million bucks. I can't believe you people...

In this case the opperative word is not "immigrant" it's "illegal"

shakran · 10-10-2005, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hulk

The irony is that if he had kept quiet, and not gone out of his way to help, he'd still be in the country living a happier life. It's hardly likely he'll have much of a home to go back to after 12 years abroad, isn't it?

I don't care. If he'd come here legally, he wouldn't have to worry about what he's going home to.

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Originally Posted by justjess

1. Yes, he broke the law. I jaywalked today, too. Friday, I was speeding. And yes, I consider it that much of an issue.

And had you gotten caught jaywalking or speeding, I doubt many people on here would be whining about it on your behalf. When you decided to speed, you KNEW you were breaking the law, and you KNEW you were taking the risk of getting caught. You did it anyway, and you got lucky.

He KNEW he was breaking the law by coming here illegally, but he did it anyway, and after all these years, his luck ran out.

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2. Want to send all the illegals home? Who's going to do all the cleaning, the maintenance, the cooking in restaurants, the harvesting? These people are so grateful for an opportunity to have work, they're willing to do what most American citizens are not. And believe me, the average business owner has NO problem taking advantage of their desperation. They're not living easy lives here, they are working their asses off for very little money.

Wow, you're making a great case against allowing illegals to stay. Why on earth would we want to allow such a horrible system to continue?

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3. It's pretty easy to be all high and mighty about "he broke the law" when it's not your life, isn't it? People need second chances - in many cases, first chances.

They're not killing him or sentencing him to life. They're sending him back where he started. That is the definition of a second chance.

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And it's not like our government is making it easy to get that chance. Most immigrants that I have spoken with (and I talk to a lot people in general, and immigrants specifically since that's what I do for a living) would be perfectly happy to do things legally, if only they COULD.

If for whatever reason they can't, that's just too bad. We are not responsible for making sure the entire world has a better life, especially if it means a problem with our national security. Illegal immigrants are not US citizens (obviously). If they have issues with their home country, they need to take it up with THEIR government, or come here legally.

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I know a guy who works just about harder than anyone else I've met. He's an upstanding guy, has a lovely wife and kids, and has been working hard to become a legal permanent resident. Even though he's making less than any of you would ever accept as a salary, he put his hard earned money into lawyers to file for permanent residency. The lawyers gave him bad advice, told him he didn't need a new employment authorization card cause he was filing as a refugee (for various reasons, that was untrue), and generally left him to hang. Being the employer, we could not keep him on staff without legal work authorization. And now, he's got no job. Nothing. He paid taxes like you and I, he worked harder than we do, he's trying to do it right, but he's still screwed.

And I know of 19 guys who destroyed the world trade center. Point being, for every "good honest decent" immigrant story you come up with I can come up with a counter. What this indicates is that there is a screening process for immigrants for a reason. If they come here illegally, that's a REAL good indication that they don't need to be here.

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Do you think creating a life and a job for himself was easy? It's not. Moving, learning a new language, a new set of societal rules, raising a family, and then being told too bad, you have to leave?

No I don't and I do sympathise with his situation. I feel bad for him. But he came here illegally. He's not supposed to be here. He's not allowed to be here. "yeah but I LIKE him" is not a good enough reason to let him stay after he broke in to the country.

RangerDick · 10-10-2005, 09:03 PM

where's bill clinton/janet reno when you need them?......

Rekna · 10-10-2005, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pragma

I did read the posts - I meant income tax. Everyone pays sales tax, but would it be possible for an illegal immigrant to pay income tax, seeing as how the IRS would immediately notice "oh wait, he's not legal", etc.

again you are 100% incorrect. read the article posted. They do pay income tax, most don't file to get money back though. However they can. The IRS has lots of information on illegals, where they are, who they are, ect. But it is illegal for them to share that information with anyone......

There was a huge stink about this after 911 but the law was never changed.

Rekna · 10-10-2005, 09:20 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84745,00.html

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WASHINGTON — While locating illegal aliens in the United States has become a major homeland security priority since Sept. 11, one federal agency knows where many illegal aliens are, but won't share its information.

The Internal Revenue Service receives millions of tax filings each year from illegal aliens — even helping illegals file their forms by giving them Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers. But under federal law, the IRS (more news | Web) is prohibited from sharing its data with other agencies.

"The internal revenue code really does not differentiate between legal or illegal status," said IRS representative Patricia Kirk.

ITINs are used in place of Social Security numbers on tax returns. One tax preparer said he frequently hands out ITINs to help hundreds of illegals file their returns.

"Not only can they actually file a tax return, but they can actually meet their rights and responsibilities as taxpayers and also enjoy some of the benefits that taxpayers enjoy," said Salvador Gonzalez of the Midwest Tax Clinic. "Some of them get money back. Some of them pay."

Since 1996, the IRS has handed out over 6 million ITINs, and some illegal immigrants hope by using the ITINs to file tax returns, they can show they are deserving of citizenship.
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But at least one immigration group charges that the ITINs are merely a way for illegals to skirt the law and try to legitimize living inside the country.

"The federal government should not be doing a single thing to help these illegal aliens remain in the United States. They should be focusing their efforts like a laser beam on finding and deporting illegal aliens," said David Ray of the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

While the IRS can't share its information on tax filers with any other governmental agency — including the Department of Homeland Security, which recently took over duties of policing illegal aliens — immigrants continue to enter the country by avoiding the legal channels.

"It is another example of a schizophrenic federal government that hasn't quite decided what it is going to do about illegal immigration," Ray said.

Gonzales said he is pleased that illegal aliens are not only participating in the country's growth, but are being protected according to the laws of the land.

"This is the law. The law says that if you earn income in the United States you are required to pay income tax and you are required to file an income tax return," he said.

While the debate rages, illegal immigrants continue to dump income taxes into the federal coffers. The latest data shows that two years ago, tax filers with ITINs sent the IRS $300 million in taxes.

Suave · 10-10-2005, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Dad

As was the last time that came up in one of these threads I have to question what states are issuing sentences of ass raping.

All of them. The government sanctions it, but they keep it a secret.

10-10-2005, 09:47 AM	#41 (permalink)
ironman Smithers, release the hounds Location: Guatemala, Guatemala	Show me one 100% non-immigrant US citizen that is not an american native, and i'll give you a million bucks. I can't believe you people... __________________ If I agreed with you we´d both be wrong

10-10-2005, 09:55 AM	#42 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	When I lived in Kansas, if we did not have illegal immigrants, our building would have stunk from the garbage. We had a total of one white custodian who felt she was above all the Mexicans and refused to do much of anything because they would do it all. Equating his presence in America to robbery, drunk driving, and general thuggery is not appropriate. He wanted an opportunity, we make them here. It's our biggest seller. The laws and customs of this country stem from a group of rowdies who came illegaly, spoke a strange language, and had no respect for the customs of the place. If an illegal is basically a good guy and good social fabric, keep him. Make him legal. This country works hand over foot to speed up the process for Europeans if they have valuable knowledge, or a song on the pop charts. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

10-10-2005, 10:43 AM	#43 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	This country was founded by a bunch of honkie's who came here and liked what they saw. They came and conquered the land, making it their's, to the victor go the spoils. The white man who came here didn't come illegally, there was no broad central power in America, there was no one language in America prior to them coming, there was no unifying customs even. I'm 100% non-immigrant, I was born and naturalized in the states according to our laws, as many in my family have been for many generations. Sucks for this guy, but he was an illegal. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

10-10-2005, 11:05 AM	#45 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	So by those rules, they could have just stayed in Europe and claimed it as a whole. No one language. No unifying customs. No broad central power. Somehow, I think Spain, France, and Germany might have had a problem with that. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

10-10-2005, 01:07 PM	#46 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	They tried didn't they? __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

10-10-2005, 11:04 AM	#44 (permalink)
Rodney Observant Ruminant Location: Rich Wannabe Hippie Town	Most people who come here illegally, especially from Mexico, are just looking to survive, looking to make a few bucks and support their families. Who can argue with that? That said, the history of America shows that, time and again, the people with the big bucks make money and keep power by keeping the guy one rung up from the bottom of the ladder fighting with the guy standing on the ground below him, to keep his place. You can rant about the law all you want, but if American business didn't want the illegals here for low-wage work, they wouldn't be here at all. Want to keep illegals out of the country? Set up a system where business has to verify the ID of every hire against an automated national database, or face heavy fines or even jail terms. That'd do it. Do you see anybody proposing this? No way. Instead, Bush and company want to find ways to legally import "illegals" for short times for their labor, then ship them back home. If you don't want illegals here in large numbers, you know who to blame. And it's not the illegals themselves.

10-10-2005, 02:43 PM	#48 (permalink)
Ganggreen Tilted	i agree, he should be deported. if he was such a great guy he wouldn't be involved in "ILLEGAL" activity.

10-10-2005, 09:03 PM	#52 (permalink)
RangerDick Loser Location: manhattan	where's bill clinton/janet reno when you need them?......