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ARTelevision · 06-01-2003, 03:23 PM

This is the "religion" I was "raised" in - whatever those words mean.
So, I feel I have a responsibility to point out its foibles.
Here's one.
It's blatantly sex-negative.
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No plans for kids? The church won't marry you
from iol.co.za
June 01 2003 at 02:24PM

Paris - A French couple has been refused a religious wedding ceremony by the Catholic church because they said they did not want to have children, Le Journal du Dimanche newspaper reported on Sunday.

The pair - named only as Anne and Christophe - told the parish priest in Saint-Remi de Forbach in northeastern France that they were afraid of passing on a nervous disorder from which Anne suffered.

"However, it was not a genetic illness. It posed a real problem because what they said is incompatible with canon law," said Philippe Hiegel, spokesperson for the Metz diocese.

In the Catholic marriage ceremony bride and groom must declare that they intend to have children and that they accept the "responsibility of spouse and parent," church officials told the paper.

"The priest had no choice but to refuse. If the marriage was ever disputed in a church court it would be declared void," said Jean-Marie Stock, the diocesan vicar-general.

Church officials explained that the marriage service can be offered to couples who cannot have children, or who want to delay having them, but an outright refusal to have children is a disqualification.
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moral of the story: you fuck, you gotta wanna have kids.

it's simple...simply stupid

JStrider · 06-01-2003, 03:27 PM

*shrug*... get her tubes tied... then she cant have kids... so then they cannot have children... since

"Church officials explained that the marriage service can be offered to couples who cannot have children"

i think churches extreme negativity when it comes to anything sexual is detrimental to many peoples lives... they go through life thinking its all bad and terrible... and then when the time finally comes its boring and mechanical and just done to make babies...

BoCo · 06-01-2003, 05:15 PM

Catholics totally give Christians a bad name. I can't wait until their whole system is torn down.

The_Dude · 06-01-2003, 05:21 PM

just go to the govt official and get married, that's what i would do

JStrider · 06-01-2003, 09:37 PM

for some people getting married in the church is important... and they dont want to "just go to the govt official and get married"

SecretMethod70 · 06-02-2003, 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by JStrider
*shrug*... get her tubes tied... then she cant have kids... so then they cannot have children... since

"Church officials explained that the marriage service can be offered to couples who cannot have children"

Same outcome - getting your tubes tied is also against the Catholic faith as are all "unnatural" forms of birth control. The reason for all this is that it's the Catholic view that the primary purpose of sex is the propagation of the species and the expression of deep love. The distant secondary purpose is pleasure between two loving couples. Not saying it's right or wrong, just explaining the "why."

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Originally posted by BoCo
Catholics totally give Christians a bad name. I can't wait until their whole system is torn down.

I'd argue that ultra-fundamentalist Christians do worse, but that's just my opinion.

Macheath · 06-02-2003, 02:56 AM

But the French Catholic church NEEDS a steady supply of disabled people - who will ring the bells at Notre Dame Cathedral if they don't?

Doos · 06-02-2003, 04:02 AM

Interesting, I see you got that story from an SA site.

Doos · 06-02-2003, 04:27 AM

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Originally posted by Macheath
But the French Catholic church NEEDS a steady supply of disabled people - who will ring the bells at Notre Dame Cathedral if they don't?

Nice one.

GoldenOuroboros · 06-02-2003, 04:50 AM

Some religions are just totally whacked..

Daval · 06-02-2003, 04:54 AM

Wow, and I thought that the church was trying to modernize.

SecretMethod70 · 06-02-2003, 05:32 AM

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Originally posted by Daval
Wow, and I thought that the church was trying to modernize.

In some areas pertaining to theology, no, but in other areas, sure.

For example, the fact priests in the Roman Catholic faith can't get married is not a theological matter. That is to say, it is not a religious belief that it is *wrong* for priests to marry, it is just the way in which the Roman Catholic Church conducts its business.

I make the distinction of Roman Catholic priests CAN get married in some other Catholic Churches. In fact, most aren't aware that there are actually 22 different Catholic Churches which differ in various non-theological ways, but share the same theology. For example, Armenian Catholics.

So, in these non-theological areas - marriage of priests not being one of them - the Roman Catholic Church is "modernizing." This involves things such as what type of music is used in services, the order of parts of the service, how the church staff interacts with parishoners, etc.

However, the belief that the primary purpose of sex is for contraception comes from the theological interpretation of the Bible - just as the belief against abortion does - and, therefore, no amount of "modernization" will ever change that.

EDIT: For anyone who may be curious, <a href="http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/rites.htm">Catholic Rites and Churches</a>

madsenj37 · 06-02-2003, 10:54 PM

The Catholic church believes that sex should be done only in a procreative and unitive environment. If these people want a church ceromony, they need to switch to protestantism or something. You can change religions, but you cant change a religion.

Capt.JamesHook · 06-02-2003, 11:38 PM

What a big man stepping up to the plate and doing... what everyone else has been doing all over the place for years and defaming the Roman Catholic Church. Big deal. Really, show someone you got balls and go to Iraq and bash Islam.

If you do not like being Catholic then you do not have to practice it. It is simple, and you are simply stupid for not understanding it.

06-01-2003, 03:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	no sex without procreation, is the idea here, I think This is the "religion" I was "raised" in - whatever those words mean. So, I feel I have a responsibility to point out its foibles. Here's one. It's blatantly sex-negative. ............................ No plans for kids? The church won't marry you from iol.co.za June 01 2003 at 02:24PM Paris - A French couple has been refused a religious wedding ceremony by the Catholic church because they said they did not want to have children, Le Journal du Dimanche newspaper reported on Sunday. The pair - named only as Anne and Christophe - told the parish priest in Saint-Remi de Forbach in northeastern France that they were afraid of passing on a nervous disorder from which Anne suffered. "However, it was not a genetic illness. It posed a real problem because what they said is incompatible with canon law," said Philippe Hiegel, spokesperson for the Metz diocese. In the Catholic marriage ceremony bride and groom must declare that they intend to have children and that they accept the "responsibility of spouse and parent," church officials told the paper. "The priest had no choice but to refuse. If the marriage was ever disputed in a church court it would be declared void," said Jean-Marie Stock, the diocesan vicar-general. Church officials explained that the marriage service can be offered to couples who cannot have children, or who want to delay having them, but an outright refusal to have children is a disqualification. ........................................................ moral of the story: you fuck, you gotta wanna have kids. it's simple...simply stupid __________________ create evolution

06-01-2003, 03:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	shrug... get her tubes tied... then she cant have kids... so then they cannot have children... since "Church officials explained that the marriage service can be offered to couples who cannot have children" i think churches extreme negativity when it comes to anything sexual is detrimental to many peoples lives... they go through life thinking its all bad and terrible... and then when the time finally comes its boring and mechanical and just done to make babies... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

06-01-2003, 05:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
BoCo Fear the bunny Location: Hanging off the tip of the Right Wing	Catholics totally give Christians a bad name. I can't wait until their whole system is torn down. __________________ Activism is a way for useless people to feel important.

06-01-2003, 05:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	just go to the govt official and get married, that's what i would do __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

06-01-2003, 09:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	for some people getting married in the church is important... and they dont want to "just go to the govt official and get married" __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

06-02-2003, 02:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	But the French Catholic church NEEDS a steady supply of disabled people - who will ring the bells at Notre Dame Cathedral if they don't?

06-02-2003, 04:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
Doos Crazy Location: South Africa	Interesting, I see you got that story from an SA site. __________________ Don't be alarmed, I'm an African. Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels good.

06-02-2003, 04:50 AM	#10 (permalink)
GoldenOuroboros The Cheshire Grin... Location: An Aussie Outback	Some religions are just totally whacked.. __________________ Can you see me grin grin grrriiiiinnnning?!

06-02-2003, 04:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	Wow, and I thought that the church was trying to modernize. __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

06-02-2003, 10:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
madsenj37 Still searching... Location: NorCal For Life	The Catholic church believes that sex should be done only in a procreative and unitive environment. If these people want a church ceromony, they need to switch to protestantism or something. You can change religions, but you cant change a religion. __________________ "Only two things are certain: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not certain about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

06-02-2003, 11:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
Capt.JamesHook Crazy	What a big man stepping up to the plate and doing... what everyone else has been doing all over the place for years and defaming the Roman Catholic Church. Big deal. Really, show someone you got balls and go to Iraq and bash Islam. If you do not like being Catholic then you do not have to practice it. It is simple, and you are simply stupid for not understanding it.