07-20-2005, 10:04 AM | #1 (permalink) | |
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'You wore flip-flops to the White House??!!'
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Once more, I shall out myself as a man outside of my time element. "Dressing down", and "casual" attire, have gotten to the point where not only do people not care to dress "up" anymore, many, it seems, don't know how, or in this case, seem to to know when. I see nothing wrong with casual. In fact, I'm dressed in "business casual" right now. But, then again, I also know that, were I to visit the White House, to meet the President of the United States, that I need to dress a little more formally than I ordinarily would. These girls are dressed as if to go to their local Olive Garden. On the other hand, when I take Mrs. O'Rights out to a nice restaurant, of the kind that I wear a jacket and tie to, I often see men dressed in Hawaiian print shirts, beige "cargo" shorts and sandals.
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07-20-2005, 10:06 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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I don't dress up very often, but I'm just very lazy.
If khakis and a polo shirt arn't good enough, I don't want to go if I can help it.
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07-20-2005, 10:17 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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I think people are making way too big a deal out of this. They're acting like she tried sneaking in a WMD to the meet. Relax, it's just a pair of flip-flops. Then again, I'm usually wearing a Motörhead or Pantera t-shirt and jeans, I'm probably the wrong person to make judgements on what other people wear.
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07-20-2005, 10:30 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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To me, formal wear is designed for two purposes: when you want to impress someone, or when you want to show respect for someone. If I were going to a job interview, I'd dress formally because I wanted to impress the interviewer. If I was going to a funeral, I'd dress formally to show respect for the deceased. That said, I really only "like" wearing formal wear becuase I look damn hot in a suit and tie. At work, I wear a T-shirt, jeans, and sandals. My company (a very corporate office) has no dress code. I notice that I'm a lot more productive (aside from my TFPing) wearing this than I would be if I had a throat-killing tie around my neck.
Furthermore, women's formalwear is far different then men's. I really don't see any difference between classy flipflops and lacy heels. They both show off the foot, one just raises it off the ground by a few inches; is one really more formal than another?
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07-20-2005, 10:33 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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Just because they're "flip flops" doesn't mean they aren't formal or at least semi-formal. Some of them are actually quite expensive and well-made. It wouldn't bother me in the least to see women walk into the White House wearing Rainbows.
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07-20-2005, 10:40 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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Fashion is not immutable.
She wasn't wearing sports or beach wear. She was wearing suede with rhinestones flip flops. I have a pair of leather ones that I wear to the office all the time (well when it's warm). Two notes: 1) Maybe she was trying to make a political statement about Bush being someone who can appreciate a good flip flop. 2) Why is Bush walking with canes in this pictures... is he desperate to look like Roosevelt?
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07-20-2005, 10:47 AM | #8 (permalink) |
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I believe they are lacrosse..."sticks". I dunno what they're called, but lacrosse players use them.
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07-20-2005, 10:55 AM | #10 (permalink) | |
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07-20-2005, 10:57 AM | #11 (permalink) | |
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07-20-2005, 11:19 AM | #12 (permalink) |
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I'd call what those women are wearing nice casual, nowhere near formal. If I were going to meet the President of the United States I'd wear something more tailored and less flowery. And no flimsy little flip-flops! I don't care how much money they coughed up for those or how much sparkly stuff there is on them, they look ugly and make that annoying sound when you walk with them and are as of yet not approved formal wear. I hope they'll never be.
Still, it's kind of cute that you can come to an audience with the most powerful man on Earth in a flowery little dress and flip-flops. But I can't keep from wondering, if one of those women were going out on a hot date with, say, Brad Pitt, to say, the Academy Awards, would they still wear flip-flops? |
07-20-2005, 11:29 AM | #13 (permalink) |
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I guess you can where what you want mostly. Personally if I was the person that you were coming to see, I was the one in authority, and you wore something like that I wouldn't put much stack on anything you said because you portray a less scholarly appearance. All we have to go on in first meetings is our first impression. Does no one care anymore about their first impressions??
I'd be wearing a very tailored suit dress or jacket and slacks with heels. I'd be wanting to show respect and portray as professional an image as possible.
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07-20-2005, 11:31 AM | #14 (permalink) |
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The only place I wear flip-flops is to the pool. I don't like flip-flops as normal attire. I'm just not that casual when it comes to dressing. I can't stand leaving the apartment in a t-shirt. My wife is the same way. She refuses to wear flip-flops with a dress or out of the apartment unless we're going to the pool.
To quote her, "flip flops are horrible! Now, if you're wearing khakis or cargo shorts and you're a man, then flip-flops are okay. There are beautiful heels out there to wear and why would any woman wear flip-flops??" She says this while throwing her arms up. "Anyone buying expensive flip-flops are being taken!" On the other hand, I understand that many, many, many people prefer flip-flops. It's just not for me. Besides, I've got some ugly-ass feet and don't want people staring at them.
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07-20-2005, 11:49 AM | #16 (permalink) |
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I really don't think this is as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Honestly, there are more important things to worry about in the world than this. While I (who wears flip-flops every damn day of her life) would probably not wear flip-flops to the White House (I have several nice pairs of slides for such occasions), I see no harm in it. I honestly fail to see how someone's choice in footwear shows disrespect. That's ridiculous.
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07-20-2005, 11:53 AM | #17 (permalink) |
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OK, it has been awhile since I have been in here. February because I have been so busy with school and work. However, my husband showed me this and I think that flip-flops have gone too far. He already quoted me with the arms being thrown up and everything. However, I felt that I wanted to ellaborate on this topic.
First of all, flip-flops are not the 'throw on with anything' type of shoe. They are the 'I am lazy today I am going to pull up my hair, pull out the holey jeans, throw on my favorite t-shirt and go get coffee and cigarettes' shoes. If women are going to spend the time and money shopping for feminine outfits then for goodness sakes get the shoes to match. I would not wear a satiny shirt or a nice dress with flip-flops, it ruins the look. I am not saying that they should have on 3 inch heels, but at least a low wedge or a 1 inch sandal. Of course, my other pet-peeve is the woman who puts her heels in her bag to walk home in her grubby tennis shoes. I guess I am a style before comfort girl and I have the blisters on my feet to show it. If you are going to dress up to look good, the shoes cannot be an afterthought.
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07-20-2005, 12:09 PM | #18 (permalink) |
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I love my flipflops. I have many pairs of flipflops. I am wearing flipflops right now in fact. However, I don't think I'd wear them to the White House, not necessarily because I'd be worried what the President or the fashion mavens thought (I couldn't care less what the President or fashionistas think of me), but because I would be worried about what *I* thought of myself; I wouldn't feel good presenting myself in that way. I just don't think this is a flipflop appropriate occasion.
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07-20-2005, 12:18 PM | #19 (permalink) |
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I don't think this is a big deal but then I never really got women's fashion.
I can't for the life of me understand why "witch toe" shoes are so popular. I think they look terrible. And low heels screaming old woman. As for the president part, considering they're college athletes I think a little bit of casualness (new word goodness) is ok. |
07-20-2005, 12:19 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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First of all.... ::insert your own "If John Kerry was president":: joke here...
Anyway, all these shoes are are backless sandals. "Flip-flops" is probably not the correct term to use in describing this sort of footware. They have become accepted, across the board, by females age 16-28, then typical demographic most interested in current fashion. I know that, for example, the high school that I consulted for had to change their dress code rules - because too many of the female teachers were wearing these shoes to class. Fashion is changing...who would have though 10 years ago that jeans and a sport coat would be dress-casual? Anyway, people are blowing this way, way out of proportion. If it were men who wore this, then maybe that'd be a fashion no-no. But these are young, college-aged women. Moreover, this is a woman's athletic team, meeting the president because of athletic achievement. To me, it would seem strange to have them dressed in ball gowns or suits. They still looked nice after all, and showed proper respect. That being said, if attire directly correlates to respect, I'd only meet Bush if I were clothed in socks and sweat pants.
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07-20-2005, 12:30 PM | #22 (permalink) |
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I love my flip flops. I'd wear them at work if I could. (I really really can't.) However, I might have chosen something different for the White House (that is, if I cared what Bush thinks). But who knows what I would have thought in college? NOW I wouldn't do it, but back then? It's a good possibility. Your perspective on what's acceptable dress changes pretty radically as you get older a lot of the time.
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07-20-2005, 12:35 PM | #23 (permalink) |
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I for one would say it's not proper formal attire. From what I recall in most cirlces formal ettiquette means formal dress shoes. If flip flops have made it to that category because you've made them out of suede and rhinestones, then I guess Ghetto Prom Attire is just fine too.
IMO it just shows that people have no class, short and simple.
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07-20-2005, 12:38 PM | #24 (permalink) |
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/makes a note not to wear flip flops with my corset when I meet the pres
anyone here old enuff to remember the Steve Martin stand up routine "Cruel Shoes"? I will forever think of that anytime I think of high heels....mostly because its true. Flip flops at a cook out at Camp David might be ok....def not ok in my book for the white house but then my mother taught me when and where I was supposed to look like a lady. do you know girls even buy designer flip flops to wear under their thousands of dollars wedding dress? It simply boggles my mind. There are other shoes in the world for such occasions that are just as comfy
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07-20-2005, 02:26 PM | #26 (permalink) |
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I hate to dress up. Were I to go to the whitehouse, I would give serious though to wearing a tye died shirt, beatup cargo shorts and my boots. Pretty much what I wear everyday. But I would probably break down and put on a polo short and khakis(what I wear to work). But back on the subject, I don't think the girls were under dressed. Under dressed would have been shorts, a baggy t-shirt and slippers.
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07-20-2005, 03:48 PM | #27 (permalink) |
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This is dumb as hell. Why is it even on the news? The girls look fine, perfectly dressed up to me. It really bothers me that people are making a big deal out of this. WHO CARES! It's not like they went in with sweatpants. I would have looked at the picture and said nothing looks out of the ordinary unless someone pointed out that they were wearing sandals, in which I would have said that it still looks fine. I thought society was beginning to move past what you're wearing and caring more about how polite you are.
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07-20-2005, 04:40 PM | #29 (permalink) |
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yes we do brian1975, there are still people who do job interviews not wanting to see every tattoo you own, how much cleavage you have, or if you wore a gstring or no underwear at all. There are still people that care that you dont wear white shoes between labor day and easter and there are people who know that when you go somewhere like the white house you are respectful enuff to dress for it.
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07-20-2005, 05:08 PM | #31 (permalink) |
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This is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. Looks like we can up the anty as far as news coverage now:
1. Michael Jackson 2. Pope Coverage 3. Random White Girl Missing 4. What shoes people wear to the White House I can't believe anything was even written about this. If she spit on someone's face I could see it being rude. But they aren't in bathing suits here, it's just sandals/flip flops whatever. Good God. It's summer time. I'd like to think, as unpopular as he may be, our president probably gave as much of a shit as I do about it. Get over it people. It's shoes!!!!! Shoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am getting fired up
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07-20-2005, 05:47 PM | #32 (permalink) | |
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07-21-2005, 05:00 AM | #33 (permalink) |
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How stupid is this?
I think they look fine. Nice casual dress for a nice casual photo op. It would be one thing if they were making faces or grabbing each other, but they're not. Personally, I believe fashion should have more to do with how you feel about yourself, rather than what someone else thinks of you.
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07-21-2005, 05:43 AM | #34 (permalink) |
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While I hardly think this is worth a news report... we do unfortunately live in a world where people do not usually have a chance to make an impression based solely on their personality and character. So you must "advertise" yourself based on how you wish to be perceived. That includes your choice of shoes. Certainly you wouldn't wear flipflops into the average office, it wouldn't be considered professional. Maybe *I* don't give a rat's ass, but that doesn't mean I don't want to give them the appropriate visual cues that indicate they should respect me.
As for the girls... we have to take this into context. They were wearing nicer flipflops, and they are college athletes. Their dress code is different from someone who has already participated in the professional world.
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07-21-2005, 06:01 AM | #35 (permalink) |
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if someone can give me a good description of how a flat summery dress shoe is differentiated from a thong of sufficient quality, i'll buy that this is a problem.
until then? a big fat whatever...
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07-22-2005, 07:33 AM | #38 (permalink) |
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It looks tacky to me. It's not hard to coordinate a nice looking pair of dress shoes, pumps, heeled sandals, or flats if you absolutely must for a special occasion. I don't think it's disrespectful so much as it shows a little lack of knowledge of or disregard for formal courtesy.
Then again, I do a blouse/sweater and skirt or dress with hose and heels to work most days, so my fashion sense is probably closer to mom's than the daughters.
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07-23-2005, 08:10 PM | #39 (permalink) |
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that is just standard wear for here in the valley---I see it every Sunday in church---most kick them off and go bear foot after they sit down.....and no one cares.....and "the big guy" in our house is a lot more important than the guy in that house...
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07-24-2005, 12:34 AM | #40 (permalink) |
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Wow. Why does that girl have 15 pairs of flip flops?
If I were the president (which I thankfully am not), I would not give half a crap as to what people wore to the WhiteHouse, so long as no genitalia or "private parts" were showing. People get uppitty about far too many things lately. I say fuck it; as long as you don't have an odour that makes me gag or sit on my furniture with your bare ass, there isn't much harm. Still, I dress myself nicely sometimes, especially when ettiquette demands it, but I don't care what other people do. Hell, wear a Hawaiian shirt to a funeral.
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