Zombie dogs! (Or bringing humans back to life.. - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Jinn · 06-27-2005, 12:38 PM

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117...-13762,00.html

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SCIENTISTS have created eerie zombie dogs, reanimating the canines after several hours of clinical death in attempts to develop suspended animation for humans.

US scientists have succeeded in reviving the dogs after three hours of clinical death, paving the way for trials on humans within years.
Pittsburgh's Safar Centre for Resuscitation Research has developed a technique in which subject's veins are drained of blood and filled with an ice-cold salt solution.

The animals are considered scientifically dead, as they stop breathing and have no heartbeat or brain activity.

But three hours later, their blood is replaced and the zombie dogs are brought back to life with an electric shock.

.. more in the article

Holy cow -- cryogenation for real? Sounds a little Frankenstein-esque, but promising nonetheless.

Ballzor · 06-27-2005, 12:48 PM

too lazy to exist? kill yourself for 3 hours until its late enough to start drinking.

feelgood · 06-27-2005, 01:03 PM

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attempts to develop suspended animation for humans.

Killing humans and then bringing them back to life is not cryogenation. Cryogenation is turning a person into a box of ice (literally) and then reviving them.

Jinn · 06-27-2005, 01:11 PM

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Killing humans and then bringing them back to life is not cryogenation. Cryogenation is turning a person into a box of ice (literally) and then reviving them.

Uhh.. wouldn't turning a person into a box of ice kinda... kill them? And wouldn't reviving them.. bring them back to life? Even if they're dead, the idea here is that pumping them with ice cold salt water could keep them alive long enough to bring them back to life -- just like cryogenation.

the_marq · 06-27-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by feelgood

Killing humans and then bringing them back to life is not cryogenation. Cryogenation is turning a person into a box of ice (literally) and then reviving them.

Gotta disagree with you there man.

That is exactly what cryogenics is all about. Originally desinged (or imagined) for those with chronic diseases that could not be cured with existing medical technology. Conceptually speaking, 'cryo' is all about freezing these people (or dogs) until such time as they could safely be revived and cured of (cancer, AIDS, etc..) whatever.

Sure, technically speaking there is a thin line between "killing people" and placing them in suspended animataion, but that's jsut splitting hairs.

That said, this process with dogs is a long way from from the SciFi version of stasis. Worth a closer look sure, but don't go buying an extra freezer just yet.

feelgood · 06-27-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by the_marq

That is exactly what cryogenics is all about. Originally desinged (or imagined) for those with chronic diseases that could not be cured with existing medical technology. Conceptually speaking, 'cryo' is all about freezing these people (or dogs) until such time as they could safely be revived and cured of (cancer, AIDS, etc..) whatever.

If you're telling me that you disagree with the part "Killing humans and then bringing them back to life is not cryogenation" well then...what's the point of reviving dead people? Just leave them dead in peace.

Are the people with chronic diseases dead yet? They will be dead but they're still ain't dead when placed into those freezers

Kinda seems pointless to place a member of the family with cancer or AIDS into cyrogenics tank (or whatever other science friction name there is) and 20 years later, the cure is found and those people will find themselves way outta sync with the rest of the world, especially with most of their familes gone.

the_marq · 06-27-2005, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by feelgood

Are the people with chronic diseases dead yet? They will be dead but they're still ain't dead when placed into those freezers

As of right now they are, yes.

Ted Williams of baseball fame who just died recently wished to be frozen "after his death" in hopes to be revived and 'cured' (of being dead I presume) when the technology was available.

Regardless, whether you're frozen just before you die, or just after you die in hopes of being cured later is just splitting hairs. Once you are frozen and brain function stops, yer dead.

feelgood · 06-27-2005, 01:28 PM

I guess that means quarter of the world's population with chronic disease (whether it'll be AIDS, cancer, etc etc) is dead then?

Edit: Alrite, I mis-read some of the comments here, forgive my stupidity, even if I have unlimited supply of them...

I thought suspended animation was to freeze a person to the point where their heart rate slows down significantly and the brain activity is at a minimal. Maybe I gotta stop watching Abyss

Giant Hamburger · 06-27-2005, 01:36 PM

I love the gratuitous image of the vicious dog that accompanies the article.

Apparently you are a little cranky when you are revived!

fhqwhgads · 06-27-2005, 01:43 PM

I saw a documentary on this once. Then they tried it with a little boy who was hit by a truck outside of his house. The kid comes back, gets real pissed off, and ends up cutting someone's Achilles tendon with a scalpel. Ok, maybe it wasn't a documentary... I don't quite remember... but the message was clear. No reanimating dead things....

Giant Hamburger · 06-27-2005, 02:17 PM

fhqwhgads' words ring true!

Roark · 06-27-2005, 02:39 PM

Hehe aww what a cute picture that from the Reanimator?

It's interesting to say the least but i'm confused in the case of Ted Williams whats the point of being frozen AFTER you've died? I could see having some non-cureable disease and getting frozen while you're still relatively healthy or atleast not on your death bed. But after you die or right before when there's so much wrong with your body that even the stress of reviving could possibly kill you (a second time ;P) seems kinda pointless to me.

wdevauld · 06-27-2005, 03:08 PM

I think you'd want to be frozen after you die to preserve your tissue. If they put you in a pine box your tissues would start to break down, and there wouldn't be anything to revive later. Cremation would definitely be outta the question.

At least until they can clone us...

glytch · 06-27-2005, 06:43 PM

Another benefit of this would be long-term space travel. If we could get this system perfected, and somehow find some way to automate it, we could make long space trips in (relative) minutes. Didn't they do that in a George Clooney movie? Or some anime?

Zeraph · 06-27-2005, 09:49 PM

Jumpin Jessus that cat pic is freaky!

Zombie pets are next, then I can finally have zombie minions of my very own.

"paving the way for trials on humans within years." That will either need a special volunteer program, or the donating thing on your license will take on a whole new meaning.

ChistledStone · 06-28-2005, 01:49 AM

It's very interesting, but the question is can they overcome the three hour deadline? You see the problem with cryogenic freezing is that the blood or solution freezes, as well with the other cells, and when liquid freezes it is probable that it will freeze into spikes and then puncture other cells and so forth. And of course the brain cells die at any temperature I think, and thats what counts. Because bringing a body back without brain = big no-no for two reasons 1) Brain-dead 2) Zombie.

Of course this could just be my vivid imagination and my small amount of knowledge on cryogenics.

But obviously if they have overcome those and I haven't read the article correctly, then cheers to you, random scientists!

glytch · 06-28-2005, 05:47 AM

I don't believe they've overcame the few hour deadline as of yet, but apparently the dog they tested it on suffered no brain damage at all, which I found hard to believe, but that's the story.

Jinn · 06-28-2005, 06:25 AM

From reading the article (and related articles) it doesnt seem that three hours is the "deadline." That's just how long they waited before reviving the dogs. Who knows how long this could last? And as for the brain cells dying, thats what they hoped to address in this study. They think the cold salt water saline solution just puts it into hibernation, much like insects that hibernate for hundreds of years and then "wake up."

That begs the question.....what if someone "accidently" woke them up?

EDIT to clarify: Not hibernation like in bears, which require their body to burn energy to supply the brain. Hibernation in that the cells no longer "eat" (mitochondria) or reproduce.. they just.. sit there.

reiii · 06-28-2005, 11:05 AM

that dog emasculates my icon

Joan of Arc · 06-28-2005, 11:47 AM

I think this is very creepy. Having said that. Did you know?

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A zombie is a dead person that is brought back to life through a curse (voodoo, necromancy) or a mutation and has recovered some vital functions like movement.

They are near-mindless, possessing little reasoning power, though many can perform "remembered behaviors" from their mortal existence.

Zombies are omnipresent in the folklore of Haïti, where they are created by voodoo, an african type of black witchcraft. More recently, zombies films have exposed new theories according to which man-made virus or genetical experiments are held responsible for the creation of zombies. Such films put a strong emphasis on flesh and blood : rotting bodies and their attendant maggots, as well as the still-warm gore resulting from savage, often cannibalistic attacks upon the living.

HA HA HA HA HAAAA

wdevauld · 06-28-2005, 12:14 PM

B R A I N S ..... *shuffle* *shuffle* B R A A I N S........

0energy0 · 06-28-2005, 07:43 PM

this was on other websites. i forgot. its a hoax.

Jinn · 06-28-2005, 07:47 PM

Show me a link. That site is pretty reputable and the story seems legit.

ChistledStone · 06-28-2005, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by glytch

I don't believe they've overcame the few hour deadline as of yet, but apparently the dog they tested it on suffered no brain damage at all, which I found hard to believe, but that's the story.

How can you tell if a dog has brain damage

? It stops cocking it's leg on fire hydrants?

Is it really a hoax?

shalafi · 06-29-2005, 06:08 AM

Creating zombies on purpose???? Do these people not watch movies?

Deckard · 06-29-2005, 06:28 AM

It's to cure AIDS so clearly we should try it on monkeys and small children first. Clearly that will increase our chances of survival.

Gabbyness · 06-29-2005, 08:13 AM

ROFL at this thread. Completely ridiculous. I LOL'd at the freaking quasi-wolf photo.

sadistikdreams · 06-29-2005, 05:59 PM

Hoax.
But you can make a zombie. It's not a hollywood zombie, it never really dies.

Stompy · 07-01-2005, 06:08 AM

Cryo stuff doesn't even make sense, really.

If the brain is deprived of oxygen for too long, you get irreversible brain damage.

What do you think is happening to people that are being frozen? Oxygen isn't being delivered to the brain.. and I'm sure it takes longer than a few minutes to put someone in Cryo.

neonscreamer · 07-01-2005, 07:40 AM

While the prospect of helping humanity is a great idea...I think it's best that we avoid scenarios akin to the Living Dead series...

...then again...I've got a brand new shovel I've been meaning to hit somebody with...bring on the zombie-dogs!

sadistikdreams · 07-02-2005, 12:00 PM

Okay, this has gotta be a western thing. Us americans can't accept death is an inevitability, so we have all these ways to prolong life. And with this, someone will die, and you can just bring them back to life.

In alot of other cultures, people accept death. It's a natural part of life.

streak_56 · 07-02-2005, 06:06 PM

I think that the research is interesting, though I believe that this probably take a few decades before it starts human testing. I can see the application to real life. It'll popularize living till you're old as dirt. What happened to going out gracefully?

Johnny Pyro · 07-03-2005, 03:28 AM

Night of the living dog?
Dawn of the dog?
Day of the dog?
Land of the dog?

Hmmmmm......Not really that

scary.

06-27-2005, 01:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
feelgood Free Mars! Location: I dunno, there's white people around me saying "eh" all the time	I guess that means quarter of the world's population with chronic disease (whether it'll be AIDS, cancer, etc etc) is dead then? Edit: Alrite, I mis-read some of the comments here, forgive my stupidity, even if I have unlimited supply of them... I thought suspended animation was to freeze a person to the point where their heart rate slows down significantly and the brain activity is at a minimal. Maybe I gotta stop watching Abyss __________________ Looking out the window, that's an act of war. Staring at my shoes, that's an act of war. Committing an act of war? Oh you better believe that's an act of war Last edited by feelgood; 06-27-2005 at 01:32 PM..

06-27-2005, 03:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
wdevauld Tilted Location: Calgary, AB	I think you'd want to be frozen after you die to preserve your tissue. If they put you in a pine box your tissues would start to break down, and there wouldn't be anything to revive later. Cremation would definitely be outta the question. At least until they can clone us... __________________ As soon as you stop living, you start dying....

06-27-2005, 06:43 PM	#14 (permalink)
glytch I am not permanent. Location: Tennessee	Another benefit of this would be long-term space travel. If we could get this system perfected, and somehow find some way to automate it, we could make long space trips in (relative) minutes. Didn't they do that in a George Clooney movie? Or some anime? __________________ If you're flammable and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit. - Mitch Hedberg

06-28-2005, 01:49 AM	#16 (permalink)
ChistledStone Crazy Location: Australia	It's very interesting, but the question is can they overcome the three hour deadline? You see the problem with cryogenic freezing is that the blood or solution freezes, as well with the other cells, and when liquid freezes it is probable that it will freeze into spikes and then puncture other cells and so forth. And of course the brain cells die at any temperature I think, and thats what counts. Because bringing a body back without brain = big no-no for two reasons 1) Brain-dead 2) Zombie. Of course this could just be my vivid imagination and my small amount of knowledge on cryogenics. But obviously if they have overcome those and I haven't read the article correctly, then cheers to you, random scientists! __________________ A.minor.fall.then.a.major.lift

06-28-2005, 05:47 AM	#17 (permalink)
glytch I am not permanent. Location: Tennessee	I don't believe they've overcame the few hour deadline as of yet, but apparently the dog they tested it on suffered no brain damage at all, which I found hard to believe, but that's the story. __________________ If you're flammable and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit. - Mitch Hedberg

06-27-2005, 01:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
Giant Hamburger Gastrolithuanian Location: low-velocity Earth orbit	I love the gratuitous image of the vicious dog that accompanies the article. Apparently you are a little cranky when you are revived!

06-27-2005, 01:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
fhqwhgads Junkie	I saw a documentary on this once. Then they tried it with a little boy who was hit by a truck outside of his house. The kid comes back, gets real pissed off, and ends up cutting someone's Achilles tendon with a scalpel. Ok, maybe it wasn't a documentary... I don't quite remember... but the message was clear. No reanimating dead things....

06-27-2005, 02:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
Giant Hamburger Gastrolithuanian Location: low-velocity Earth orbit	fhqwhgads' words ring true!

06-27-2005, 02:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
Roark Insane	Hehe aww what a cute picture that from the Reanimator? It's interesting to say the least but i'm confused in the case of Ted Williams whats the point of being frozen AFTER you've died? I could see having some non-cureable disease and getting frozen while you're still relatively healthy or atleast not on your death bed. But after you die or right before when there's so much wrong with your body that even the stress of reviving could possibly kill you (a second time ;P) seems kinda pointless to me.

06-27-2005, 09:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
Zeraph Banned Location: The Cosmos	Jumpin Jessus that cat pic is freaky! Zombie pets are next, then I can finally have zombie minions of my very own. "paving the way for trials on humans within years." That will either need a special volunteer program, or the donating thing on your license will take on a whole new meaning.

06-28-2005, 06:25 AM	#18 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	From reading the article (and related articles) it doesnt seem that three hours is the "deadline." That's just how long they waited before reviving the dogs. Who knows how long this could last? And as for the brain cells dying, thats what they hoped to address in this study. They think the cold salt water saline solution just puts it into hibernation, much like insects that hibernate for hundreds of years and then "wake up." That begs the question.....what if someone "accidently" woke them up? EDIT to clarify: Not hibernation like in bears, which require their body to burn energy to supply the brain. Hibernation in that the cells no longer "eat" (mitochondria) or reproduce.. they just.. sit there. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

06-28-2005, 11:05 AM	#19 (permalink)
reiii unstuck in time Location: Nashville/D.C.	that dog emasculates my icon __________________ "Jombe? The chocolate icing" -hedonism bot

06-28-2005, 12:14 PM	#21 (permalink)
wdevauld Tilted Location: Calgary, AB	B R A I N S ..... shuffle shuffle B R A A I N S........ __________________ As soon as you stop living, you start dying....

06-28-2005, 07:43 PM	#22 (permalink)
0energy0 Insane Location: Title Town, USA	this was on other websites. i forgot. its a hoax. __________________ Is the juice worth the squeeze?

06-28-2005, 07:47 PM	#23 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	Show me a link. That site is pretty reputable and the story seems legit. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

06-29-2005, 06:08 AM	#25 (permalink)
shalafi ARRRRRRRRRR Location: Stuart, Florida	Creating zombies on purpose???? Do these people not watch movies?

06-29-2005, 06:28 AM	#26 (permalink)
Deckard Upright	It's to cure AIDS so clearly we should try it on monkeys and small children first. Clearly that will increase our chances of survival.

06-29-2005, 08:13 AM	#27 (permalink)
Gabbyness Chicken scratch. Location: Japan!!!	ROFL at this thread. Completely ridiculous. I LOL'd at the freaking quasi-wolf photo.

06-29-2005, 05:59 PM	#28 (permalink)
sadistikdreams lonely rolling star Location: Seattle.	Hoax. But you can make a zombie. It's not a hollywood zombie, it never really dies. __________________ "Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials." -Lin Yutang hearts, by d.a.

07-01-2005, 06:08 AM	#29 (permalink)
Stompy Banned from being Banned Location: Donkey	Cryo stuff doesn't even make sense, really. If the brain is deprived of oxygen for too long, you get irreversible brain damage. What do you think is happening to people that are being frozen? Oxygen isn't being delivered to the brain.. and I'm sure it takes longer than a few minutes to put someone in Cryo. __________________ I love lamp.

07-01-2005, 07:40 AM	#30 (permalink)
neonscreamer Upright Location: /dev/null, WV	While the prospect of helping humanity is a great idea...I think it's best that we avoid scenarios akin to the Living Dead series... ...then again...I've got a brand new shovel I've been meaning to hit somebody with...bring on the zombie-dogs! __________________ This space available for rent. Reasonable rates!

07-02-2005, 12:00 PM	#31 (permalink)
sadistikdreams lonely rolling star Location: Seattle.	Okay, this has gotta be a western thing. Us americans can't accept death is an inevitability, so we have all these ways to prolong life. And with this, someone will die, and you can just bring them back to life. In alot of other cultures, people accept death. It's a natural part of life. __________________ "Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials." -Lin Yutang hearts, by d.a.

07-02-2005, 06:06 PM	#32 (permalink)
streak_56 who ever said streaking was a bad thing? Location: Calgary	I think that the research is interesting, though I believe that this probably take a few decades before it starts human testing. I can see the application to real life. It'll popularize living till you're old as dirt. What happened to going out gracefully?

07-03-2005, 03:28 AM	#33 (permalink)
Johnny Pyro Hey Now! Location: Massachusetts (Redneck, white boy town. I hate it here.)	Night of the living dog? Dawn of the dog? Day of the dog? Land of the dog? Hmmmmm......Not really that scary.