Michael Jackson
 

It's funny for something that has dominated the news -that nobody has posted anything about Michael Jackson yet. For the record I think he is untalented. I mean I am very open minded about music but his is formulaic tripe.

So now his trial is almost over and I wonder what others think about him.

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Okay, I am slightly amused by pictures of this lonesome protestor.

Do you think he's guilty? I'm honestly not sure. There's been enough written about this trial to fill several phonebooks. If you must review it look here:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr...nG=Search+News

I'm curious if being a fan of his music influences your guilty -not guilty opinion.

Not that any of us have the information that the jury does.

Monday-morning jury-foreman? Hmm...

There is no option for "I don't like Michael Jackson's music and I don't know whether he is guilty or innocent but I think he is a complete freak regardless."

Michael who?

I like his music... He is very talented, or rather was very talented.

In this instance, I don't beleive that he is guilty (the first time, I'm pretty sure he was guilty) but I'm pretty certain that he will get convicted purely on his freakishness. The guy just seems like a mentally disturbed person who's trying to relive the childhood he didn't have and is just very misunderstood as a person.

Don't listen to his music, and he seems as guilty as hell to me.

I like the 'documentaries' and 'trial re-enactments' that have been on tv recently about the whole deal, they make me laugh, and cry, the former causing the latter.

Not that i'm biased :)

Here's another picture of the guy.

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/pix/jackson_su...cp_7357813.jpg

And here he is keeping vigil from the early days:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-imag...ant_vigil3.jpg

I think he is more fascinating than Michael himself. I wonder if he can moon walk.

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[edit -I've seen this solo guy in a number of pictures since the trial began -just added more]

I don't know if he is innocent, however in this case I think he is not guilty, if he was it would likely have been settled out of court.

I try to turn my head from the tvs at the gym when they are doing reports on him (the lovely ladies working out look much better anyway). He just reminds me of a horrid lurching nightmare. If you replaced the shadow on the wall in "The Exorcist" with an image of him, I would be just as frightened if not more so. I wish I could honestly say "Michael Jackson who?"

From what I've heard, the only evidence that he molested those kids comes from the boys themselves. The reports have made them look like little liars. You need actual witnesses to a crime, not he said/she said nonsense. The boys may be telling the truth but unless there is some sort of physical evidence it doesn't mean shit.

Unfortunately there's just as much evidence that the Judge will not allow to be presented.

Michael Jackson with a "flushed face" and wearing boxers asking his bodyguard to go to his car and get the Vaseline out of his vehicle in the driveway.

The judge said this was circumstantial and would bias the jury, but nonetheless..

I'm 95% sure he's guilty. There's all sorts of corroborating stories: Another guard admitting he witnessed Michael performing oral sex on a boy in a bathroom in Neverland.

I like his music too!

I was watching an interview with a CourtTV reporter who's sat in on the trial and his impression is that the conspiracy charges are too convoluted for the jury to vote guilty on, but he's certain he'll be convicted on the providing alcohol to minors and molestation charges. I tend to agree after listening to his description of the court room.

Sad, but a part of me wants him found guilty just to see him cry like a bitch. Now if there is enough evidence to find him guilty or if he is... I have no idea. I've not followed the trial at all. And I hate that this trial gets so much attention for some reason.

One thing that I am concerned with is, if he is guilty and is found not guilty I think that there is no chance that he will ever be prosecuted again basically giving him a free ticket to keep doing this. But again that is all bsed on speculation on my part.

whoa, i never heard anything about a guard seeing him blowing kids. I can understand why the Vaseline thing was thrown out though.

Why doesn;t someone shoot the bastard already, and make the world a better place

What I don't understand -- well, I do sort of, but what the hell goes thru the mind of a parent allowing their child to spend time in this man's bedroom. Maybe I'm more than a tad prudish, but there have been allegations over his escapades for a decade... WHY risk it? What kind of parent puts their child into a situation where there might be trouble? What kind of parent would leave t heir child with a person who has been accused of sexual molestation.. Ok , he wasn't guilty the first time... but...

the "person" is a caricature of himself...

I haven't been able to look at him without laughing ever since his whiny TV appearance in which he complained about them "photographing [my] penis."

Along those lines, it would go a long ways toward making me think he's innocent if it was established that any little GIRLS ever spent the night at Neverland.

I'm so very tired of the publicity surrounding this case. I don't think he's particularly talented - he writes trite pop that, while catchy, isn't particularly interesting. His biggest selling point is that he was a child star who turned into a popular singer (and excellent dancer, gotta admit) who then got to be famous for just being a freak. I don't care whether he is guilty or not, frankly. I don't see any reason for this to be so widely covered - it's just another legal case in a sea of legal cases that have no bearing on my life or anyone else's who's not involved. I have to roll my eyes when I see on MSNBC.com that they'll break into broadcasts when the verdict is read. It's not like it's the Rodney King verdict. Sheesh.

He disgusts me.

I think he's freakin' creepy.

And yes, he WAS talented.

GUILTY.

I believe that Michael Jackson is going to be found guilty. I don't think he ever crossed the line with any of the kids staying at his ranch. But the problem is too much big money is betting on his fall. Michael was walking a fine financial line for 5 years but now with this case the hedge funds smell blood and they will go after him. He is living of a loan based on collateral debt for his songs and also the bettles song. A lot of people are going to make good money on him going to jail. That's why it is going to happen.

to me Michael Jackson is guilty as all hell. I have no evidence of this, but the guy just creeps me out.

Man, looks like I'm the only one who voted that I like his music and he is innocent.

And, COME ON, you really gotta make fun of that fat guy? Seriously, that's immature, I'd expect more from you, TFP members...

I give the fat guy credit. He's standing up for his beliefs, and even though I don't agree with him, I still give him a lot of respect.

I'd just like to ad an "amen to that" if I could.

His music was the bomb. Now he's a washed up freak.

I belive it's more than obvious he was abused in one fasion or another as a child himself. I'd wager it was sexual abuse, moreso than physical violence.

You can see where he basically stopped his mental development age; at that of an adolescent child. Throw in the amount of money and fame, the amazingly abnormal situation he lived his life in, and you get a guy that's profoundly disturbed.

Did he abuse kids? I bet he did. Does he understand what he did wrong? I sincerly doubt he fully does. No more than a 4 year old understands matches are bad.

He needs to be kept away from kids, and he needs intensive therapy. It's all very sad.

i actually don't mind his stuff from the 80s. i think it's pretty hard to make music that has such broad appeal. there is a lot of bad pop (see: kanye west imitators, "rock" bands on top 40 stations, modern country) but i think he put out some enduring records. most of his semi-recent work was pretty worthless, though.

can't say if he's guilty. i've tried to ignore this as much as possible; i'm wondering what the next distraction will be.

I completely agree with those people here who say that his music WAS awesome, though he is bloody creep/weirdo. I've got no doubt in my mind that he is guilty - i wish they would just hurry up and end it.

This pretty much sums up how I feel about it. I really couldn't care less. I was never into his music or his dancing and to be honest everytime I see a broadcast about it, I change the channel; especially if Nancy Grace is covering it. (What a biased journalist :rolleyes: )



On another note, Making fun of the fat guy (who incedentally isn't fat as far as I can tell) is pretty lame and takes away the real reason behind this thread.

I liked the Thriller era. What he has done since hasn't peaked my interest. I do however think that he is guilty. Although, I don't keep up with any of the happenings in this trial. He is a complete freak in all aspects of life.

*major annoyance*

lonesome *gay* protestor
lonesome *black* protestor
lonesome *catholic* protestor

Presumably none of these would have been "amusing".

Hey man this guy is everywhere. Last night on the news coverage they showed him arguing with one of the "Kill all gays" protesters at the trial. Fat is a descriptive word. Perhaps Big Boned would have gone over better. The big guy is practically in tears because some celebrity might go to jail -and he demonstrates this publicly... Is this normal?

Anyways my belief is that the place is a circus and this guy is a one-man freak show. Would it be funnier if I made fun of the puppet lady?
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I was thinking the same thing. I can't help but wonder how the news people would feel if they were televised while on trial.

I'm pretty amazed that the poll is this close.

Riots Predicted by Cops at trial
 

http://www.santamariatimes.com/artic...cal/news02.txt

I'm still looking for that guy or the puppet lady in this new picture. I bet if it gets too rowdy the puppet lady is gone. That other guy will probably start moshing.

Michael Jackson was good in his "Thriller" days, but since then he has completely lost it. Which makes it very difficult to tell whether he is guilty or not. If he was a least a little sane, it might be easier to tell, but for all I know he could think that it is "ok" to sleep in the same bed with little boys. Anyways, innocent or guilty, the family of the boy is in this for the money...why else would they call the lawyer from the other case before they called the police??? Making money off your son's torment...it's a damn shame.

Thats probably his fat gut in the bottom right hand corner :crazy:

He may very well still consider himself a boy, and so playing with other boys justifiable. And he has sufficient money that he can be 'protected' from letting this kind of stuff get out.

I think the man has issues, largely related to immense, overpowering, unimaginable wealth and success and being surrounded by people telling him what he wants to hear so they can chip off a chunk of his fortune.

And they have... as I hear it he's pretty broke at the moment.

But frankly, I could care less about his problems and do NOT see why it is front page, every news-site news. I hate modern news media.

I like some of his music and I think that he will be found guilty of giving an intoxicated beverage to a minor and innocent of the other charges. I think he's a creep, but I've seen no hard evidence from honest sources that suggests that he actually molested children. I'm sure he slept in bed with them, but I'm not convinced that he engaged in any sexual activity.

I think he's innocent, but I wouldn't let my children spend the night at his place. And I doubt that any parent who actually cares about his/her child's safty would at this point, regardless of whether Jacko's innocent or not.

And for the record, I don't care for his music.

a 40-year-old person sleeping with children under 16 is not legal anyplace i've heard of in the united states, and it also has deleterious effects on those children...

In case anyone is interested, below is a link to some information about worldwide age of consent laws.

http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

It depends.

Would you have described her as the "white" puppet lady, the "gay" puppet lady or the "jew" puppet lady?

I can't see how you fail to see that there is no difference.

Can you honestly say that you didn't throw in the word "fat" as a way of heaping additional scorn on this guy?

Had you just said this "asshat" protester, I would have totally agreed. He looks like an idiot.

But on the surface, what you are saying implies that not only is he an idiot, but he's a FAT idiot..HA HA HA!

Oh, and as to the issue, while I don't personally have any Jackson albums, I think he was very talented.

Now I think he's just messed up middle aged man who is passing on his sickness by molesting children.

Send him to prison.

I need the option: "I'm indifferent to Michael Jackson's music and think he's innocent by reason of insanity." He needs to be institutionalized, not locked up.

I believe Mike is guilty, but I also believe he was set up.

Anyone looking for more pictures of the larger fan, go check http://www.drudgereport.com.

We are supposed to provide the contents of the link and not just the link itself.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3mjf.htm

http://www.drudgereport.com/mjf.jpg http://www.drudgereport.com/dd.jpg

As a somewhat fat guy myself -I can claim that it doesn't bother me -but I can see that it bothers others. Sorry larger people -I know that there is more to hug. :love:

I think that Micheal Jackson used to be talented, but that the obvious psychological problems he suffers from have hindered that talent.

I hope he is tried justly, and I have no idea if he's guilty or not. I don't watch or read the reports on the trial because I don't find it interesting. There are much more important things to worry about than Micheal Jackson sleeping with a kid.

To be honest, I'd like child services to be brought in after the case and save the kid from his bad parents. Why would any decent parent allow their child to sleep in the same room with a (creepy) forty year old, who has previously been accused of molesting a young boy? I'd never ever sacrifice a kid for millions, and I think anyone who would knowingly allow their child to enter that sort of risk should be tried themselves.

He's a freak and the people standing out there are freaks too. I don't know if he did it or not, but I don't think he should go to jail for being strange. However, you would think after being accused of this before, he would stop having "sleep overs"!

Oops, sorry about that.. :) Will do it next time.

KO

I have to admit to taking a sick sort of interest in the whole thing. It's purely just for the freakshow aspect of it. I admit it's not very healthy or enlightened of me but I just can't help it. I couldn't care less about normal celebrities.

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The face has a name "BJ Hickman". Mtv reports that he quit his job so that he can protest full time.

Exactly.

If his accuser was to say, "I don't want any money, it's not about the money. I will sign a contract that I won't sue him for money, I just want to see him put in jail to stop him from hurting kids", I would believe his accuser.

As it stands now, I don't believe his accuser.

Sounds like an obsessed loony toon.

I love how he has the same expression in all the pictures.

This guy being in all the pics and whatnot, he's going to probably be able to walk away with a few interviews on national tv, some form of book deal and might even get to meet Micheal.

This guy will be the "flavor of the day" for a week or so and make enough to live quite well for a few years all because he made himself seen during this trial. What does that say about our society?

Hell, next big star trial I'm selling everything camping in front of the courthouse and make myself known (even if I have to streak) if I'm right and this guy makes money off this.

As for MJ........ he's a freak of nature. Don't know what happened to him after Thriller, but he just lost it, it started with the 1 glove and went from there. Course Latoya and Janet aren't exactly "normal."

I knew if I continued reading this thread that someone would get to the point that seems lost in this whole mess. Why is it a good idea to allow your child to spend time alone with this guy? Bedroom or kitchen or anywhere...why is this a good idea?

If Jacko calls me on the phone and says "Hey ... would you mind if Timmy came over for a sleep over?" Uuuuum...no Whacko ... Timmy is going to be busy for the rest of his life as far as you are concerned. No need to call back.

For the record I have no children so perhaps I'm not the best source for judgement calls like this but it seems to reason that if you put your child in harms way to a certain degree you have the right to expect he or she will get hurt. Maybe....just maybe that's what the parents were hoping for in this case. Jacko is a walking freak show and that's note new news. Maybe the next trial that should happen is for these parents to be charged with negligence.

You summed it up sooo well. Why should we give him MORE publicity if he is guilty of this. If not - why should we give publicity to the parents and child who , in that case, falsely accused him? I'm not sure what to think. Apparently there's enough evidence against him to have a case. Yet I've heard of things that make me question the character of the accusing parents. At this point I just really don't care.

More stuff on BJ Hickman... from his own website:

http://www.bjhickman.tk/

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Later on he changes his mind

Website is down.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Again, is this guy truly that loyal to MJ or is this some 1/2 whacko 1/2 genius who saw an oppurtunity to become "Kato-like" famous for his 15 minutes make a shitload of money and get national attention????

My guess is the latter and the press is eating it up.

I'm just stopping in here to note that the verdict is due to be released, so I wanted to preserve the current standings before people vote knowing the verdict:

Let's see how good the wisdom of the crowd can be...

Just in... Not Guilty! Freaky, Sick Bastard!

im sure someone will give more details...but here are the verdicts per count

1 not guilty
2 not guilty
3 not guilty
4 not guilty
5 not guilty
6 not guilty
7 not guilty
7 lesser offense not guilty
8 not guilty
8 lesser offense not guilty
9 not guilty
9 lesser offense not guilty
10 not guilty
10 lesser offense not guilty

Not guilty on any of the counts.

Money and fame have it's priveleges.

Mom was a grifter.

Maybe he really was innocent.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Innocent!!!

:(

The mother of the 'victim' was completely unbelievable...

While I think MJ is a child molester -- I do not beleive he was guilty in this case... and you can't be convicted for past behavior, only by the charges that were brought.

The jury made the right decision, good for t hem for seeing thru the freakishness...

This greatly upsets me that he's found not guilty. I can't believe this shit.

It's comical to see people already disgusted that he was foudn not guilty. The jury had a lot more evidence than any of us did, and 12 people just decided that there wasn't enough evidence to prove that he did it. What makes your emotional reaction based on sensationalistic news reports intended to boost ratings any more credible than those of 12 people who agreed unanimously that he was not guilty based on 14 weeks of a trial?
Poll frozen at quoted results.

For once, a jury voting based on proof. Believe he molests children or don't, but it was not even close to proven beyond a reasonable doubt in this case. i'm glad to see the jury decided based on that and not on preconceived notions.

I was kinda looking forward to the riot police stomping through MJ's fans.

There was a documentary on the Jackson trial fans and riots last night on British TV, there are some very interesting characters including BJ.
I've not been following the trial at all and therefore can't say if I feel he's guilty or not, nothing to go on. Could someone explain the Sony implication to me?

haha, I as well. I'd love to see the ground littered with placards, such as this one, all trampled and bloody. I mean, it would be unfortunate. But still kinda neat.
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I didn't follow the trial at all. I did catch the verdict though (only because it interupted Dr. Phil and Oprah). I was totally shocked that he was found not guilty on all charges. I thought that he would be found guilty on something. I still believe he is guilty. Maybe not this time, but it will come out.

Did anybody see the video of Triumph the Insult Comic Dog interviewing all the crazy Michael Jackson fans? Pure comedy. You can view it here.

BJ Hickman finally gets to stop yelling.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/05...reax.bj.ap.jpg

So his 15 minutes are up.

He looks genuinely upset:

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