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Cereberus · 05-14-2005, 02:52 PM

Is it just me, or does anyone else see a double standard here?

Here it is

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May 02, 2005, 8:08 a.m.
Why Can’t They “Just Get Along”?
V-Day meets P-Day on campus.

By Christina Hoff Sommers
Warning:The following contains adult (in this case, collegiate) language, along with gratuitous references to male and female genitalia.

College administrators have been enthusiastic supporters Eve Ensler’s play The Vagina Monologues and schools across the nation celebrate “V-Day” (short for Vagina Day) every year. But when the College Republicans at Roger Williams University in Rhode Island rained on the celebrations of V-Day by inaugurating Penis Day and staging a satire called The Penis Monologues, the official reaction was horror. Two participating students, Monique Stuart and Andy Mainiero, have just received sharp letters of reprimand and have been placed on probation by the Office of Judicial Affairs. The costume of the P-Day “mascot” — a friendly looking “penis” named Testaclese, has been confiscated and is under lock and key in the office of the assistant dean of student affairs, John King.

The P-Day satirists are the first to admit that their initiative is tasteless and crude. But they rightly point out that V-Day is far more extreme. They are shocked that the administration has come down hard on their good-natured spoof, when all along it has been completely accommodating to the in-your-face vulgarity of the vagina activists.

V-Day has now replaced Valentine’s Day on more than 500 college campuses (including Catholic ones). The high point of the day is a performance of Ensler’s raunchy play, which consists of various women talking in graphic, and I mean graphic, terms about their intimate anatomy. The play is poisonously anti-male. Its only romantic scene, if you can call it that, takes place when a 24-year-old woman seduces a young girl (in the original version she was 13 years old, but in a more recent version is played as a 16-year-old.) The woman invites the girl into her car, takes her to her house, plies her with vodka, and seduces her. What might seem like a scene from a public-service kidnapping-prevention video shown to schoolchildren becomes, in Ensler’s play “a kind of heaven.”

The week before V-Day, the Roger Williams campus was plastered with flyers emblazoned with slogans such as “My Vagina is Flirty” and “My Vagina is Huggable.” There was a widely publicized “orgasm workshop.” On the day of the play, the V-warriors sold lollipops in the in the shape of–-guess what? Last year, the student union was flooded with questionnaires asking unsuspecting students questions like “What does your Vagina smell like?” None of this offended the administration or elicited any reprimands, probations, or confiscations.

The campus conservatives artfully (in the college sense of "artful") mimicked the V-Day campaign. They papered the school with flyers that said, “My penis is majestic” and “My penis is hilarious.” The caption on one handout read, “My Penis is studious.” It showed Testaclese reclining on a couch reading Michael Barone’s Hard America, Soft America.

“Testaclese” tipped the scales when he approached the university Provost, Edward J. Kavanagh, outside the student union. Apparently taking him/it for a giant mushroom, Provost Kavanagh cheerfully greeted him. But when Testaclese presented him with an honorary award as a campus “Penis Warrior,” the stunned official realized that it was no mushroom. After this incident, which was recorded on videotape, the promoters of P-Day were ordered to cease circulating their flyers and to keep Testaclese off campus grounds. Mindful of how school officers had never once protested any of the antics of Vagina warriors, the P-warriors did not comply. The Testaclese costume was then confiscated and formal charges followed.

It is easy to understand why school officials would not want a six-foot phallus wandering around campus; nor why they would ask students not to paper the college with posters describing all the things it likes to do. But that is just the sort of thing the vagina warriors have been doing, year after year, on hundreds of campuses. In fact, P-Day at Roger Williams was mild by comparison. Wesleyan College hosted a “C***” workshop; Penn State held a “C***”-fest. At Arizona State, students displayed a 40-foot inflatable plastic vagina. It was not confiscated and no one was ever threatened with probation.

Unhappily, P-Day may be the only effective means of countering V-Day with all its c-fests, graphic lollipops, intrusive questionnaires, outsized effigies of vaginas and its thematic anti-male play. The prospect of public readings from P-Monologues on campuses around the country just might be the reductio ad absurdum that could drive the vagina warriors to the bargaining table. The student activists opposed to V-Day will gladly cancel P-Day the moment the V-warriors abandon their vagina–fests.

But for the short term, college administrators should brace themselves. The rebels at Roger Williams are talking about a Free Testaclese Fund. And word is spreading to other campuses. P-Day and Testaclese will be back next year. And not just in Rhode Island.

— Christina Hoff Sommers is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. She is the co-author of One Nation Under Therapy: How the Helping Culture Undermines Self-Reliance, just out from St. Martin’s Press.

ariekitten · 05-14-2005, 02:57 PM

definitely

MSD · 05-14-2005, 03:08 PM

This is fucking stupid. I want a "My Penis is Studious" shirt.

K-Wise · 05-14-2005, 03:31 PM

Wow. Some things I tell ya...This is silly though...my penis is happy every day.

I see the double standard yes.

Asta!!

Irishsean · 05-14-2005, 03:52 PM

What would they say if a play was put out where a 24-year-old man invited a 13 year old girl into a car, takes her to his house, gives her some vodka and seduces her?

Everyone immediately sees that scenario as an evil heinous crime, but its perfectly ok if its two girls? The double standard crap has to stop.

RelaX · 05-14-2005, 04:17 PM

To think that society has no and should not have double standards is living in a state of denial. Fact of life is that people ARE different and these differences should be taken into account. Especially with regard to sex.
Women are frailer than men in general and shouldn't be required to play some sports in the same league with men and at the same level for instance.

However, this is just stupid.
Just because women have been treated unfairly in the past does not give them the right to reverse the roles now. That's equality... not female dominance.
Hell... doing stuff like this is completely counter productive.
And people should get it through their Politically Correct brainwashed minds.
If fenemist radicals get the right to display a "40-foot inflatable plastic vagina" then men should be able to poke fun at that with a little satire.

Sorry, stuff like this always irritates me, I am a man and have a lot of respect for women and hate to see femenist radicals make a mockery of that respect with a lot of man-hating behaviour that gets condoned because everybody is too scared to be Politically Incorrect.
And I know a lot of women who agree with me.

K-Wise · 05-14-2005, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Irishsean

What would they say if a play was put out where a 24-year-old man invited a 13 year old girl into a car, takes her to his house, gives her some vodka and seduces her?

Everyone immediately sees that scenario as an evil heinous crime, but its perfectly ok if its two girls? The double standard crap has to stop.

I agree

Asta!!

LuciferJones · 05-14-2005, 04:55 PM

Go Testaclese!!!!

We'll get ya out in no time!!!!

maleficent · 05-14-2005, 05:02 PM

The original intent of the Vagina Monologues was to raise awareness about and prevent the violence that goes on against women every day in every part of the globe (Yes, there's violence against men too) But last time I checked, there wasn't a male equivelent of FGM.

Reading about what Roger Williams College did for V-Day, doesn't seem completely within the spirit of what the Vagina Monolgues was about. I've seen the show, I have never seen what they are talking about with the seduction of an underage person, to romanticize that, flies in the face of what the Vagina Monologues was supposed to be about, that is the violence against women and girls.

Since Roger Williams activities didn't seem to get the spirit of the event.. What does your vagina smell like? Hello? What? Just more than a little crude... Penis Day, even though the organizers admit to it being crude, doesn't seem any less crude than what was organized for Vagina Day.

K-Wise · 05-14-2005, 05:28 PM

^ Yes I've caught moments of the Vagina monologues myself. I figured it would be a good way to gain some awareness and maybe some useful information too. Never have seen all of it but I definitely didn't see anything like what is described in the Roger Williams V-Day.

But yes how it unfolded is definitely unfair. But unless men and women alike stand up for things like this they will always happen...I say men and women alike because it would never work with just men..we'd come off as women haters or perhaps shovanists rather than the offensed.

Asta!!

Seeker · 05-14-2005, 05:28 PM

I have never been aware of V-Day, however maleficent has explained it as a way to raise awareness and prevent violence against women.

From what I've read above, V-Day expression has changed somewhat, to something like a celebration of women promoting their sexuality and vagina. In that light I can understand the introduction of P-Day, and why not? Both crude but I can see the humour in it.

Underlying that I can also see that society is obviously not comfortable with men reclaiming some pride and acceptance of who they are, genetically and biologically.

Cereberus · 05-14-2005, 05:36 PM

This seems to be a topic where everyone more or less is in agreement.

Which is a good thing, because I'm strangely disturbed by K-Wise's avatar.

I think I need to go to the Titty Board for awhile.

K-Wise · 05-14-2005, 05:38 PM

^

You can thank jwoody and Bernadette for that avatar..and blame Nancy for it still being up haha. I don't think you would have found my previous any less disturbing though /end threadjack

Asta!!

Lockjaw · 05-14-2005, 08:52 PM

This is very much so a double standard and it shouldn't stand. However in the school's defense I don't think it's acceptable to bash them based upon what OTHER schools have or have not allowed. I mean as crass as it is selling a vagina lollypop isn't as extreme as a giant walking 6 foot penis. That's going to be a BIT more disruptive. I would however like to see how it would be treated on the campuses that had more extreme "V" day celebrations.

Although you have to admit the image of a university administrator warmly welcoming a giant penis and mistaking it for a mushroom and then the shock and horror of him realizing he's not shaking hands with a mushroom...

JStrider · 05-14-2005, 09:03 PM

ROFL

definently a double standard... they dont do that kind of stuff when the vagina monologues come to tech... seem to be a lot more in the spirit of what it was intended

maleficent · 05-14-2005, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Seeker

I have never been aware of V-Day, however maleficent has explained it as a way to raise awareness and prevent violence against women.

From what I've read above, V-Day expression has changed somewhat, to something like a celebration of women promoting their sexuality and vagina. In that light I can understand the introduction of P-Day, and why not? Both crude but I can see the humour in it.
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According to the V-Day website, http://www.vday.org/main.html, it's still all abot violence against women and girls... maybe women taking charge of their sexuality and their vaginas is a step in that direction..

I originally had typed that men taking charge of their penis's would do little to change violence against men, but the more I thought about it, maybe it would.

The organizer's original intent was to be crude... rather than trying to get a message out... they really didn't have a message, other than to be crude. I"m not sure that they got the actual message behind V-Day, but there is one... So in that case, there's really not a double standard.

Seeker · 05-14-2005, 09:33 PM

Thanks for the link maleficent.. I'm a little confused though..

Which organizer's intent? The event of V-Day on the link is totally different than what I read above. I think it's a shame that the intention of the day has been skewed to "What does your vagina smell like?"... in my opinion I don't understand how an event can be belittled to this? And is this not what the boys were trying to show?

Irishsean · 05-14-2005, 09:58 PM

I'm confused...

Asking a woman what her vagina smells like empowers her to speak out about violence against women? Selling vagina-shaped lollipops puts out an anti-rape message? I'm not sure I'm the one thats confused here...

Don't get me wrong, I'm completely against violence against women, but I am at a loss as to how sniffing oneself and selling candy versions of ones genitalia empowers anyone...

Vincentt · 05-14-2005, 10:26 PM

This is the basic double standard stuff.

Women gooooood, men baaaaad.

Blackthorn · 05-15-2005, 04:48 AM

There is always an equal opportunity offender out there ready to try and make a point. Whatever the point may be in this case....*eyes rolling*....emphasis on the "whatever".

thingstodo · 05-15-2005, 07:41 AM

All of this makes me think that Hallmark is missing out on two great opportunities. Yes, folks, another Hallmark moment. Maybe it's time someone else started some competition for Hallmark with v day and p day!!

Acetylene · 05-15-2005, 01:12 PM

Must... stop... posting... on... Acetylenes computer...
Kel

kel · 05-15-2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RelaX

However, this is just stupid.
Just because women have been treated unfairly in the past does not give them the right to reverse the roles now. That's equality... not female dominance.
Hell... doing stuff like this is completely counter productive.
And people should get it through their Politically Correct brainwashed minds.
If fenemist radicals get the right to display a "40-foot inflatable plastic vagina" then men should be able to poke fun at that with a little satire.

Sorry, stuff like this always irritates me, I am a man and have a lot of respect for women and hate to see femenist radicals make a mockery of that respect with a lot of man-hating behaviour that gets condoned because everybody is too scared to be Politically Incorrect.
And I know a lot of women who agree with me.

Funny that, I am am a man and I have very little respect for women because of behavior like this. Maybe that is what they were hoping for, or maybe meek compliance.

Suave · 05-15-2005, 10:55 PM

These guys are my heros.

ironman · 05-16-2005, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Irishsean

What would they say if a play was put out where a 24-year-old man invited a 13 year old girl into a car, takes her to his house, gives her some vodka and seduces her?

They would say that we have enough with 1 Michael Jackson

Irishsean · 05-16-2005, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ironman

They would say that we have enough with 1 Michael Jackson

I was going for a hetero thing there...

I think between the catholics and Jackson, the little boys thing is covered... Bleh!

Cereberus · 05-16-2005, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JStrider

ROFL

definently a double standard... they dont do that kind of stuff when the vagina monologues come to tech... seem to be a lot more in the spirit of what it was intended

Gold star for coming up with that poster!

05-14-2005, 02:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
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05-14-2005, 03:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	Wow. Some things I tell ya...This is silly though...my penis is happy every day. I see the double standard yes. Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

05-14-2005, 03:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
Irishsean edited for content Location: Austin, TX	What would they say if a play was put out where a 24-year-old man invited a 13 year old girl into a car, takes her to his house, gives her some vodka and seduces her? Everyone immediately sees that scenario as an evil heinous crime, but its perfectly ok if its two girls? The double standard crap has to stop. __________________ There are no absolute rules of conduct, either in peace or war. Everything depends on circumstances. Leon Trotsky

05-14-2005, 04:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
RelaX Follower of Ner'Zhul Location: Netherlands	To think that society has no and should not have double standards is living in a state of denial. Fact of life is that people ARE different and these differences should be taken into account. Especially with regard to sex. Women are frailer than men in general and shouldn't be required to play some sports in the same league with men and at the same level for instance. However, this is just stupid. Just because women have been treated unfairly in the past does not give them the right to reverse the roles now. That's equality... not female dominance. Hell... doing stuff like this is completely counter productive. And people should get it through their Politically Correct brainwashed minds. If fenemist radicals get the right to display a "40-foot inflatable plastic vagina" then men should be able to poke fun at that with a little satire. Sorry, stuff like this always irritates me, I am a man and have a lot of respect for women and hate to see femenist radicals make a mockery of that respect with a lot of man-hating behaviour that gets condoned because everybody is too scared to be Politically Incorrect. And I know a lot of women who agree with me. __________________ The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents. - Nathaniel Borenstein

05-14-2005, 05:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	The original intent of the Vagina Monologues was to raise awareness about and prevent the violence that goes on against women every day in every part of the globe (Yes, there's violence against men too) But last time I checked, there wasn't a male equivelent of FGM. Reading about what Roger Williams College did for V-Day, doesn't seem completely within the spirit of what the Vagina Monolgues was about. I've seen the show, I have never seen what they are talking about with the seduction of an underage person, to romanticize that, flies in the face of what the Vagina Monologues was supposed to be about, that is the violence against women and girls. Since Roger Williams activities didn't seem to get the spirit of the event.. What does your vagina smell like? Hello? What? Just more than a little crude... Penis Day, even though the organizers admit to it being crude, doesn't seem any less crude than what was organized for Vagina Day. __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

05-14-2005, 03:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	This is fucking stupid. I want a "My Penis is Studious" shirt.

05-14-2005, 04:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
LuciferJones Tilted	Go Testaclese!!!! We'll get ya out in no time!!!!

05-14-2005, 05:28 PM	#10 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	^ Yes I've caught moments of the Vagina monologues myself. I figured it would be a good way to gain some awareness and maybe some useful information too. Never have seen all of it but I definitely didn't see anything like what is described in the Roger Williams V-Day. But yes how it unfolded is definitely unfair. But unless men and women alike stand up for things like this they will always happen...I say men and women alike because it would never work with just men..we'd come off as women haters or perhaps shovanists rather than the offensed. Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

05-14-2005, 05:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
Seeker Getting Clearer Location: with spirit	I have never been aware of V-Day, however maleficent has explained it as a way to raise awareness and prevent violence against women. From what I've read above, V-Day expression has changed somewhat, to something like a celebration of women promoting their sexuality and vagina. In that light I can understand the introduction of P-Day, and why not? Both crude but I can see the humour in it. Underlying that I can also see that society is obviously not comfortable with men reclaiming some pride and acceptance of who they are, genetically and biologically. __________________ *To those who wander but who are not lost...* ~ Knowledge is not something you acquire, it is something you open yourself to.

05-14-2005, 05:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
Cereberus Banned	This seems to be a topic where everyone more or less is in agreement. Which is a good thing, because I'm strangely disturbed by K-Wise's avatar. I think I need to go to the Titty Board for awhile.

05-14-2005, 05:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	^ You can thank jwoody and Bernadette for that avatar..and blame Nancy for it still being up haha. I don't think you would have found my previous any less disturbing though /end threadjack Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

05-14-2005, 08:52 PM	#14 (permalink)
Lockjaw Junkie	This is very much so a double standard and it shouldn't stand. However in the school's defense I don't think it's acceptable to bash them based upon what OTHER schools have or have not allowed. I mean as crass as it is selling a vagina lollypop isn't as extreme as a giant walking 6 foot penis. That's going to be a BIT more disruptive. I would however like to see how it would be treated on the campuses that had more extreme "V" day celebrations. Although you have to admit the image of a university administrator warmly welcoming a giant penis and mistaking it for a mushroom and then the shock and horror of him realizing he's not shaking hands with a mushroom...

05-14-2005, 09:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	ROFL definently a double standard... they dont do that kind of stuff when the vagina monologues come to tech... seem to be a lot more in the spirit of what it was intended __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

05-14-2005, 09:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
Seeker Getting Clearer Location: with spirit	Thanks for the link maleficent.. I'm a little confused though.. Which organizer's intent? The event of V-Day on the link is totally different than what I read above. I think it's a shame that the intention of the day has been skewed to "What does your vagina smell like?"... in my opinion I don't understand how an event can be belittled to this? And is this not what the boys were trying to show? __________________ *To those who wander but who are not lost...* ~ Knowledge is not something you acquire, it is something you open yourself to.

05-14-2005, 09:58 PM	#18 (permalink)
Irishsean edited for content Location: Austin, TX	I'm confused... Asking a woman what her vagina smells like empowers her to speak out about violence against women? Selling vagina-shaped lollipops puts out an anti-rape message? I'm not sure I'm the one thats confused here... Don't get me wrong, I'm completely against violence against women, but I am at a loss as to how sniffing oneself and selling candy versions of ones genitalia empowers anyone... __________________ There are no absolute rules of conduct, either in peace or war. Everything depends on circumstances. Leon Trotsky

05-15-2005, 10:55 PM	#24 (permalink)
Suave Twitterpated Location: My own little world (also Canada)	These guys are my heros. __________________ "Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions." - Albert Einstein "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." - Plato

05-14-2005, 10:26 PM	#19 (permalink)
Vincentt Addict Location: Tokyo, Japan	This is the basic double standard stuff. Women gooooood, men baaaaad. __________________ .

05-15-2005, 04:48 AM	#20 (permalink)
Blackthorn Beware the Mad Irish Location: Wish I was on the N17...	There is always an equal opportunity offender out there ready to try and make a point. Whatever the point may be in this case....eyes rolling....emphasis on the "whatever". __________________ What are you willing to give up in order to get what you want?

05-15-2005, 07:41 AM	#21 (permalink)
thingstodo A Storm Is Coming Location: The Great White North	All of this makes me think that Hallmark is missing out on two great opportunities. Yes, folks, another Hallmark moment. Maybe it's time someone else started some competition for Hallmark with v day and p day!! __________________ If you're wringing your hands you can't roll up your shirt sleeves. Stangers have the best candy.

05-15-2005, 01:12 PM	#22 (permalink)
Acetylene Addict Location: under a rock	Must... stop... posting... on... Acetylenes computer... Kel __________________ There's no justice. There's just us.