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a1t3r3g0 · 04-20-2003, 07:41 AM

So, what do you all think about abortion? Should it be kept legal? Why or why not? Do you think that it is murder, even if say, it was done within the first month of pregnancy?

I'll withhold my thoughts until later

sixate · 04-20-2003, 07:47 AM

It should absolutely be legal. Some people just should not have kids. Although, I think it's dumb that a couple will get an abortion when all they have to do is use some damn rubbers and/or get on the pill. The only reason there is to have an unplanned kid is comlplete stupidity. People need to grow up and take responsibilty for their damn actions and understand the consequences of what can and probably will happen if they don't use protection.

ARTelevision · 04-20-2003, 07:53 AM

Yes, abortion is a necessary means of population control.
There are too many people now.
I have no other deep feelings about it except that it is far often better than having children.

As this is one of the most irrationally debated issues of note, I'll take this opportunity to remind us of the need for the standard rules of decorum when voicing opinions here.

rogue49 · 04-20-2003, 12:42 PM

This went to the back quickly, but I'll answer.

I grew up around Labor & Delivery (L&D); my mom's a high-risk L&D nurse.
I worked two years in a L&D hospital.

And if I've learned one thing, it's this.
Governmental regulation is set too ridge to allow for the complexities involved with Child birth,
and the personal decisions made about it.

Life is not fair, and people make very difficult choices involving this.
This would be too much government interference in something so personal.
It would violate the inherent freedoms given to us.

There is no black & white.
And those who say so, obviously have not experienced first-hand.
Or are being arrogant enough to think they know better.

cdwonderful · 04-20-2003, 12:50 PM

yes, a womans body is her own decision. period.

Somenosuke · 04-20-2003, 01:03 PM

I think it should stay legal. Not every situation where an abortion is someone's solution was brought about by mere carelessness/lack of other contraceptive use. Every type of contraception, excluding abstinence has its failure rate. Sometimes there are circumstances beyond a person's control, and they are not ready for kids yet, or do not want any, ever.

I don't think it's the government's place to tell a woman what to do with her body, especially if it could be harmful or deadly. Carrying and bearing a child is not a cake walk for every woman, so I feel it is unfair to say that a woman should have to carry and have a child that she may not want or cannot take care of. Before I ramble on too much more, I'll hush.

i8one2 · 04-20-2003, 01:35 PM

Keep it legal, keep choice, get government out, period.

snowy · 04-20-2003, 02:14 PM

keep it legal. not only are we protecting a woman's right to choose, we are protecting the lives of women everywhere. prior to roe v. wade, thousands of women died every year due to botched back-alley abortions. the situation of penny in the movie "dirty dancing" was very common. if you are pro-choice, please, please, please visit www.plannedparenthood.com and check out their take action section. a woman's power over her reproductive health is being undermined every day.

sierra2774 · 04-20-2003, 03:44 PM

Keep it legal...I don't think I would ever be able to do it, but I think a Woman should have that choice.

Jack Ruby · 04-20-2003, 03:48 PM

I agree with sixate.

Jesus Pimp · 04-20-2003, 03:51 PM

Keep it legal, a woman or young girl should not be forced to have a child when they're not responsible to have one or have been raped. The government nor religious fanatics should have a say in their decision.

The_Dude · 04-20-2003, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by zmiley
and that's the crux of any rational debate on the subject.

it is absolutely about it being a woman's right to choose. when men start having babies, men can have an equal say in it.

However, biological fathers should have equal legal rights to make such a decision, or be absolved of any financial or social responsibility in the absence of such rights if the birth is carried to term and he doesn't want it, and given complete responsibility if it's carried to term and the mother doesn't want to do so.

but the father's decision shouldnt carry as much weight as the mother's.

it's the woman that's gonna carry the baby around for 9 months and give birth to it.

if she doesnt want to go thru the process, it's her her body, her choice.

anyway, i'm REALLY surprised that i havent seen a pro-life person here! (maybe that's good!)

G_Whiz · 04-20-2003, 04:39 PM

I'm a little surprised that this thread hasn't caused more controversy.

I'm not going to start one. I agree fully that it should be legal and it is a woman's right to choose. It is also a medical decision that should not be interferred with by some mealy-mouthed politician.

sbscout · 04-20-2003, 05:18 PM

choice...

btw, there ARE ways preventing one from getting pregnant!

phoenix1002 · 04-20-2003, 05:20 PM

I was definitely expecting this one to be a heated debate, but I guess not...

Abortion should definitely be legal. Morally, I'm not sure, but in terms of real life, there's no question. Even if abortions were illegal, they would be done anyway, only in secret. That would mean physicians secretly performing abortions, and they would most likely not be the most reputable physicians, either. Also, if abortion was illegal, from a public health standpoint, it would be very bad. Some women would try to do self-abortions... I've heard of it being done with coathangers. The potential for serious injury is huge.

The only kind of abortion I'm really against is partial-birth abortion. The mother should make up her mind earlier to either have the baby or to not have the baby. At the point when doctors perform partial birth abortions, the mother might as well go through with the birth, then let someone adopt the child.

ARTelevision · 04-20-2003, 05:30 PM

I want to make it clear that while I am 100% in favor of abortion. For me it has nothing to do with women's rights.

Atropos4 · 04-20-2003, 05:34 PM

I don't believe in it personally..but i believe a woman should have the choice...especially if she was raped or having the baby would kill her..
I don't believe the government should regulate something so personal...what isn't my business or theirs should stay that way....NONE OF OUR BUSINESS
an old addage comes to mind "Mind your own beeswax"

Emotion · 04-20-2003, 05:35 PM

they should be legal imo

Tower · 04-20-2003, 05:40 PM

I am going to peacefully disagree in this thread, as I am Pro-Life.

Primarily, understand that I agree that some people should -not- be parents. Many are unfit to be such, and many are unprepared. These individuals should use birth control methods (more than one in my opinion), such as birth control pills and a condom, or having tubes snipped in either partner (or both!

).

However, I am pro-life because I'm sticking up for the unborn child. We were all once babies in our mother, and we had no voice. What if we were abortions? Oop, we no longer exist. How fair would that be?

Even if a child was to be raised in a foster home, or in an unwealthy family, or perhaps not even the greatest family, at least it's being given a chance to succeed. A positive mindset, hard work and determination can take you anywhere in life and I believe everyone deserves the opportunity to achieve.

I just can't believe that we'll take away unique individuals lives, by letting people MURDER their children. What about the child? What if YOU were that child?

And, just for arguments sake, in extreme situations I do agree with Abortion (Rape, Incest, etcetera). I also agree with it (as a parental choice) if the individual is 100% positively guarenteed to be born with severe mental and/or physical deformities (retardation, quadreplegic disfigurement, and so forth).

The_Dude · 04-20-2003, 06:01 PM

phew some oppostions.

if i was that unborn child, i wouldnt be here typing now.

that's it. i dont think i'd have any problem w/ it.

besides, we kill thousands of other stuff everyday that's @ a more developed stage than the baby is.

Tower · 04-20-2003, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
phew some oppostions.

if i was that unborn child, i wouldnt be here typing now.

that's it. i dont think i'd have any problem w/ it.

besides, we kill thousands of other stuff everyday that's @ a more developed stage than the baby is.

So you'd have no problem (from the point where you are right now) if you just had to give up everything and die?

You'd never get to hear your favorite song, know what Texas is, or become a Libertarian. And you have no problems with that?

bundy · 04-20-2003, 06:09 PM

abortion should be legal.
i couldn't agree with Art more.

greytone · 04-20-2003, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by cdwonderful
yes, a womans body is her own decision. period.

If the unborn child was a part of the womans body, then I would absolutely agree with you. I definately have libertarian political leanings.

The trouble is, I am convinced that the unborn child fits every meaningful definition of life and that it clearly is a unique member of our species. Here, I am speaking as one with an undergrad biology degree and an MD.

The real question is whether or not the baby has a soul. I am sure that that is a question that should not be addressed by our government. Society does have a role in protecting innocent human life. I choose to err on the conservative side and I believe that our legal system is obligated to do the same.

I do recognize that others disagree and I understand their positions. Let me assure you that I am not a misogynist and I have no desire or pathological need to control women. In some societies, abortion is used to ensure male children. This should concern those who are worried about women's rights.

Tower · 04-20-2003, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by greytone
If the unborn child was a part of the womans body, then I would absolutely agree with you. I definately have libertarian political leanings.

The trouble is, I am convinced that the unborn child fits every meaningful definition of life and that it clearly is a unique member of our species. Here, I am speaking as one with an undergrad biology degree and an MD.

The real question is whether or not the baby has a soul. I am sure that that is a question that should not be addressed by our government. Society does have a role in protecting innocent human life. I choose to err on the conservative side and I believe that our legal system is obligated to do the same.

I do recognize that others disagree and I understand their positions. Let me assure you that I am not a misogynist and I have no desire or pathological need to control women. In some societies, abortion is used to ensure male children. This should concern those who are worried about women's rights.

I really don't think religion should be brought into a governmental issue, especially when the government governs a variety of races and religions.

The_Dude · 04-20-2003, 06:26 PM

yeah, this should have nothing to do w/ religion

and as for me being here, that's cool

i'd never know these things existed, so i wont miss 'em.

greytone · 04-20-2003, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by Tower
I really don't think religion should be brought into a governmental issue, especially when the government governs a variety of races and religions.

That is actually the point I was trying to make, but did not do a very good job. But I believe that leaving religion out of the debate leads me to inescapable conclusion that the unborn deserves protection from the state. This is based on the same kind of reasoning that leads to laws protecting infants from abusive parents as well as just plain old murder.

Throughout history, life was thought to begin at birth because that is all we could really know or understand. Now we have the technology to know better. We really do know better. But for political and social reasons we ignore it.

Tower · 04-20-2003, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
yeah, this should have nothing to do w/ religion

and as for me being here, that's cool

i'd never know these things existed, so i wont miss 'em.

But don't you think everyone deserves the opportunity to see all these things?

The_Dude · 04-20-2003, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by greytone
That is actually the point I was trying to make, but did not do a very good job. But I believe that leaving religion out of the debate leads me to inescapable conclusion that the unborn deserves protection from the state. This is based on the same kind of reasoning that leads to laws protecting infants from abusive parents as well as just plain old murder.

Throughout history, life was thought to begin at birth because that is all we could really know or understand. Now we have the technology to know better. We really do know better. But for political and social reasons we ignore it.

but, by giving protection the child (forcing the mother to go thru pregnancy for 9 months), you're in effect telling a person what to do .

kinda like a blue law.

you're just raping civil liberties when you're telling a person what and what not to do (like what if govt said u cant masturbate, since u're killing perfectly good semen or something)

you just dont tell people what they can do w/ their bodies!

The_Dude · 04-20-2003, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Tower
But don't you think everyone deserves the opportunity to see all these things?

dont u think an animal deserves to experience some things in life (like sex) before it's killed.

the baby @ that stage is no different than any other animal to me.

muttt · 04-20-2003, 06:38 PM

you know, abortion was legal in many states pre-roe v. wade.

I'm 100% pro-choice, but i'd like to see roe overruled. here's why: that way, if some silly states want to legislate an answer to a question that only a woman should answer about her own body, then let all the women move to another state and have those stupid politicians' economies crumble.

also, as long as roe is on the books, people don't pay as much attention to how quickly abortion rights are being chipped away...

and trust me, they are

Tower · 04-20-2003, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Dude
but, by giving protection the child (forcing the mother to go thru pregnancy for 9 months), you're in effect telling a person what to do .

kinda like a blue law.

you're just raping civil liberties when you're telling a person what and what not to do (like what if govt said u cant masturbate, since u're killing perfectly good semen or something)

you just dont tell people what they can do w/ their bodies!

In effect, you are about the equivalent to an unborn baby is to it's mother as I am to you.

Does this mean I can murder you, and call it fair?

Because the Mother isn't affecting her body when she kills her child, she's affecting the child's body.

Tower · 04-20-2003, 06:38 PM

EDIT: My Bad.

muttt · 04-20-2003, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tower
In effect, you are about the equivalent to an unborn baby is to it's mother as I am to you.

Does this mean I can murder you, and call it fair?

Because the Mother isn't affecting her body when she kills her child, she's affecting the child's body.

would you agree that we, as citizens, should be allowed to make personal choices about our own bodies and healthcare?

if so, you obviously believe that when a life is at stake, that choice can be erased.

which is fine -- but eventually it will boil down to an argument about whether, or when the fetus/embryo/zygote becomes a viable "life" .... which no one has the right answer to.*

*This is, actually, my source of discomfort with prohibiting abortion -- the law essentially makes a decision about life begins, which is something that most of the population has enough trouble deciding on its own!

crewsor · 04-20-2003, 06:48 PM

Keep it legal. Let the person most affected make the difficult decision (the mother). As long as it is done early enough I see no valid reason to force something so potentially life changing and possibly devastating upon someone.

Tower · 04-20-2003, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by crewsor
Keep it legal. Let the person most affected make the difficult decision (the mother). As long as it is done early enough I see no valid reason to force something so potentially life changing and possibly devastating upon someone.

Well if they aren't prepared for consequences, they shouldn't accept the risk, should they?

Loki · 04-20-2003, 06:57 PM

its not about the womans right, its about the rights of the baby.

Don't want kids? use contraception.

end up getting pregnant but dont want a kid? have the baby and give the baby up for adoption.

Yes, i know that when most abortions are done, all thats being removed is a lump of flesh. Nevertheless that lump of flesh has the potential to be human.

In effect, with an abortion, you are denying the right of a child to exist. Religion has nothing to do with it, merely simple human values. in the end, i think most of us will agree that any form of life is better then no life at all.

vermin · 04-20-2003, 06:59 PM

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*This is, actually, my source of discomfort with prohibiting abortion -- the law essentially makes a decision about life begins, which is something that most of the population has enough trouble deciding on its own!

As far as I know this is the only point where 'religion' enters into it, because the bible says life begins at conception.

By the way, I'm pro-life because legal abortion is one step closer to euthanasia and other forms of state-sanctioned murder. The death penalty is a different issue entirely, because the one being offed fucked it up for himself.

Frosstbyte · 04-20-2003, 07:08 PM

You know, I shuddered when I opened this thread, knowing how abortion discussions usually go. I was surprised to find people being pretty civil. I guess you can be surprised sometimes.

Anyway, as stated in yon Politics board, I'm a libertarian. The government should back off. I don't condone using it as a method of birth control-that's what pills and condoms are for, but making any part of it illegal is a step towards making all of it illegal, and that, I think, is unacceptable.

Tower · 04-20-2003, 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by Frosstbyte
You know, I shuddered when I opened this thread, knowing how abortion discussions usually go. I was surprised to find people being pretty civil. I guess you can be surprised sometimes.

Anyway, as stated in yon Politics board, I'm a libertarian. The government should back off. I don't condone using it as a method of birth control-that's what pills and condoms are for, but making any part of it illegal is a step towards making all of it illegal, and that, I think, is unacceptable.

We have laws to sanction what is socially acceptible and unnacceptible. To believe that to kill your own child is socially unacceptible, in any form, would be to believe that it should be a law.

This isn't something that should be debatable; it should be law. If you do the deed, you accept the repercussions.

If someone shoots your mother, they go to jail for life or receive the death penalty. They cannot say "I didn't mean to put the gun to her head and pull the trigger", because they did it.

Similarly, if you stick your penis in a woman and pump until you've got children, you can't say "You didn't mean it" or "it was an accident".

muttt · 04-20-2003, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by vermin
As far as I know this is the only point where 'religion' enters into it, because the bible says life begins at conception.

should one religion's view get to prevail for all?

i certainly know many catholics who are pro-choice, too... which to me, underlines that religion is supposed to be personal. (which goes back to my "up to the individual" theory, of course

).

04-20-2003, 07:41 AM	#1 (permalink)
a1t3r3g0 Psycho Location: 127.0.0.1	Abortion So, what do you all think about abortion? Should it be kept legal? Why or why not? Do you think that it is murder, even if say, it was done within the first month of pregnancy? I'll withhold my thoughts until later

04-20-2003, 07:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Yes, abortion is a necessary means of population control. There are too many people now. I have no other deep feelings about it except that it is far often better than having children. As this is one of the most irrationally debated issues of note, I'll take this opportunity to remind us of the need for the standard rules of decorum when voicing opinions here. __________________ create evolution

04-20-2003, 12:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
cdwonderful another passenger Location: Youngstown, Ohio	yes, a womans body is her own decision. period. __________________ Never try to teach a pig to whistle it wastes your time, and annoys the pig.....

04-20-2003, 01:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
Somenosuke Insane Location: The 7th Level..	I think it should stay legal. Not every situation where an abortion is someone's solution was brought about by mere carelessness/lack of other contraceptive use. Every type of contraception, excluding abstinence has its failure rate. Sometimes there are circumstances beyond a person's control, and they are not ready for kids yet, or do not want any, ever. I don't think it's the government's place to tell a woman what to do with her body, especially if it could be harmful or deadly. Carrying and bearing a child is not a cake walk for every woman, so I feel it is unfair to say that a woman should have to carry and have a child that she may not want or cannot take care of. Before I ramble on too much more, I'll hush. __________________ Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. Yes is the answer.

04-20-2003, 01:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
i8one2 COMPLETED and A TRAINER Location: BEAN_TOWN	Keep it legal, keep choice, get government out, period. __________________ LEATHER, LATEX and LACE "SSC" "Nothing That Gives Pleasure is Bad" Quality is for those who know what they want and are at peace with what they have. "S/M is about emotion; the erotic tension between my impulse toward something and my resistance against it."-- Virginia Barker

04-20-2003, 07:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	It should absolutely be legal. Some people just should not have kids. Although, I think it's dumb that a couple will get an abortion when all they have to do is use some damn rubbers and/or get on the pill. The only reason there is to have an unplanned kid is comlplete stupidity. People need to grow up and take responsibilty for their damn actions and understand the consequences of what can and probably will happen if they don't use protection.

04-20-2003, 12:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	This went to the back quickly, but I'll answer. I grew up around Labor & Delivery (L&D); my mom's a high-risk L&D nurse. I worked two years in a L&D hospital. And if I've learned one thing, it's this. Governmental regulation is set too ridge to allow for the complexities involved with Child birth, and the personal decisions made about it. Life is not fair, and people make very difficult choices involving this. This would be too much government interference in something so personal. It would violate the inherent freedoms given to us. There is no black & white. And those who say so, obviously have not experienced first-hand. Or are being arrogant enough to think they know better.

04-20-2003, 02:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	keep it legal. not only are we protecting a woman's right to choose, we are protecting the lives of women everywhere. prior to roe v. wade, thousands of women died every year due to botched back-alley abortions. the situation of penny in the movie "dirty dancing" was very common. if you are pro-choice, please, please, please visit www.plannedparenthood.com and check out their take action section. a woman's power over her reproductive health is being undermined every day. __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

04-20-2003, 03:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
sierra2774 Addict Location: Northeast Ohio	Keep it legal...I don't think I would ever be able to do it, but I think a Woman should have that choice. __________________ "Every tomorrow brings new opportunities, challenges we must address...A chance to affirm all our wishes and dreams, to seek beauty and true happiness."

04-20-2003, 03:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jack Ruby Psycho Location: Belgium	I agree with sixate. __________________ You don't know what you don't know.

04-20-2003, 03:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
Jesus Pimp The Original JizzSmacka	Keep it legal, a woman or young girl should not be forced to have a child when they're not responsible to have one or have been raped. The government nor religious fanatics should have a say in their decision. __________________ Never date anyone who doesn't make your dick hard.

04-20-2003, 04:39 PM	#13 (permalink)
G_Whiz Junkie Location: Northern California	I'm a little surprised that this thread hasn't caused more controversy. I'm not going to start one. I agree fully that it should be legal and it is a woman's right to choose. It is also a medical decision that should not be interferred with by some mealy-mouthed politician. __________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?

04-20-2003, 05:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
sbscout Disorganized Location: back home again...	choice... btw, there ARE ways preventing one from getting pregnant! __________________ Always question authority... it'll keep the bastards on their toes!

04-20-2003, 05:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
phoenix1002 Psycho Location: lost	I was definitely expecting this one to be a heated debate, but I guess not... Abortion should definitely be legal. Morally, I'm not sure, but in terms of real life, there's no question. Even if abortions were illegal, they would be done anyway, only in secret. That would mean physicians secretly performing abortions, and they would most likely not be the most reputable physicians, either. Also, if abortion was illegal, from a public health standpoint, it would be very bad. Some women would try to do self-abortions... I've heard of it being done with coathangers. The potential for serious injury is huge. The only kind of abortion I'm really against is partial-birth abortion. The mother should make up her mind earlier to either have the baby or to not have the baby. At the point when doctors perform partial birth abortions, the mother might as well go through with the birth, then let someone adopt the child. __________________ I'd rather be climbing... I approach college much like a recovering alcoholic--one day at a time...

04-20-2003, 05:30 PM	#16 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	I want to make it clear that while I am 100% in favor of abortion. For me it has nothing to do with women's rights. __________________ create evolution

04-20-2003, 05:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
Atropos4 Think about it Location: North Carolina	I don't believe in it personally..but i believe a woman should have the choice...especially if she was raped or having the baby would kill her.. I don't believe the government should regulate something so personal...what isn't my business or theirs should stay that way....NONE OF OUR BUSINESS an old addage comes to mind "Mind your own beeswax" __________________ Minds are like parachutes. They work better open. "If I were Hermione, I would have licked his pantleg."

04-20-2003, 05:35 PM	#18 (permalink)
Emotion Crazy	they should be legal imo

04-20-2003, 05:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
Tower Tilted Location: Whitewater, Wisconsin.	I am going to peacefully disagree in this thread, as I am Pro-Life. Primarily, understand that I agree that some people should -not- be parents. Many are unfit to be such, and many are unprepared. These individuals should use birth control methods (more than one in my opinion), such as birth control pills and a condom, or having tubes snipped in either partner (or both! ). However, I am pro-life because I'm sticking up for the unborn child. We were all once babies in our mother, and we had no voice. What if we were abortions? Oop, we no longer exist. How fair would that be? Even if a child was to be raised in a foster home, or in an unwealthy family, or perhaps not even the greatest family, at least it's being given a chance to succeed. A positive mindset, hard work and determination can take you anywhere in life and I believe everyone deserves the opportunity to achieve. I just can't believe that we'll take away unique individuals lives, by letting people MURDER their children. What about the child? What if YOU were that child? And, just for arguments sake, in extreme situations I do agree with Abortion (Rape, Incest, etcetera). I also agree with it (as a parental choice) if the individual is 100% positively guarenteed to be born with severe mental and/or physical deformities (retardation, quadreplegic disfigurement, and so forth). __________________ Regulator 2k3. Intergalatic Planetary.

04-20-2003, 06:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	phew some oppostions. if i was that unborn child, i wouldnt be here typing now. that's it. i dont think i'd have any problem w/ it. besides, we kill thousands of other stuff everyday that's @ a more developed stage than the baby is. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

04-20-2003, 06:09 PM	#22 (permalink)
bundy . Location: Tokyo	abortion should be legal. i couldn't agree with Art more. __________________ Ohayo!!!

04-20-2003, 06:26 PM	#25 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	yeah, this should have nothing to do w/ religion and as for me being here, that's cool i'd never know these things existed, so i wont miss 'em. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

04-20-2003, 06:38 PM	#30 (permalink)
muttt Upright	you know, abortion was legal in many states pre-roe v. wade. I'm 100% pro-choice, but i'd like to see roe overruled. here's why: that way, if some silly states want to legislate an answer to a question that only a woman should answer about her own body, then let all the women move to another state and have those stupid politicians' economies crumble. also, as long as roe is on the books, people don't pay as much attention to how quickly abortion rights are being chipped away... and trust me, they are __________________ -M

04-20-2003, 06:38 PM	#32 (permalink)
Tower Tilted Location: Whitewater, Wisconsin.	EDIT: My Bad. __________________ Regulator 2k3. Intergalatic Planetary.

04-20-2003, 06:48 PM	#34 (permalink)
crewsor Women want me. Men fear me. Location: Maryland,USA	Keep it legal. Let the person most affected make the difficult decision (the mother). As long as it is done early enough I see no valid reason to force something so potentially life changing and possibly devastating upon someone. __________________ We all have wings, some of us just don't know why.

04-20-2003, 06:57 PM	#36 (permalink)
Loki Psycho Location: Drifting.	its not about the womans right, its about the rights of the baby. Don't want kids? use contraception. end up getting pregnant but dont want a kid? have the baby and give the baby up for adoption. Yes, i know that when most abortions are done, all thats being removed is a lump of flesh. Nevertheless that lump of flesh has the potential to be human. In effect, with an abortion, you are denying the right of a child to exist. Religion has nothing to do with it, merely simple human values. in the end, i think most of us will agree that any form of life is better then no life at all.

04-20-2003, 07:08 PM	#38 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	You know, I shuddered when I opened this thread, knowing how abortion discussions usually go. I was surprised to find people being pretty civil. I guess you can be surprised sometimes. Anyway, as stated in yon Politics board, I'm a libertarian. The government should back off. I don't condone using it as a method of birth control-that's what pills and condoms are for, but making any part of it illegal is a step towards making all of it illegal, and that, I think, is unacceptable.