Troublebot

A discussion was started on scouts and began to take over the thread it was in, so I'm starting this one.

As I've said before, I've been involved in Boy Scouts. I started in Cub Scouts and went through the full program till I made Eagle, even spent a couple years in Explorers. My Dad is still involved in Scouting and I try to help him out when I can.

I'm proud of the time I spent in Scouting. It opened me up to alot of different people and things. I know I'm a better person because of the time I spent in the program and the time I got to spend with my Dad involved in Scout stuff. I wouldn't change a thing.

I wasn't real happy with the hardcore stance they took on gays and atheists. (And I know they are a private organization and it's their right, you don't need to tell me.) I feel it alienated alot of supporters of the BSA and certainly didn't fit what I remembered of the organization I was a part of. Boy Scouts was very inclusionary when I was in it, at least that's the way it seemed.

When I do help out with Scout activities today, I still feel it's a good program. The kids involved don't deal with the gay and atheist issues and, from what I've seen, neither do the adults involved. It's still the best way to help boys become men, in my opinion.

But, I want to hear what you think. Have some Boy Scout experience? How about Girl Scouts? Did it help or hurt you? Would you send your child through the program?

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ratbastid

I was a cub scout. It was pretty fun, I guess. I'm not much of an outdoors person, so learning to make lean-tos and start fires sort of didn't mesh with my interests.

I didn't bother going on into Boy Scouts, though I always admired the guys who did.

Troublebot

The only thing I hated was wearing my uniform to school. It didn't happen often, but when it did, it was like wearing a sign saying, "Please kick my ass."

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warrrreagl

T-Bot, I don't know. I'm 43, and I didn't belong to the scouts. At the time I was growing up, all of the available scout troops were populated by the children of good old boys, and the common "initiation" into the scouts was being forced to smoke rabbit tobacco. I declined.

Now, having said that, I considered that all the kids who were scouts were some of the best students I had when I was a teacher. Therefore, if I had a kid (and I won't be having any), I'd leave it up to him/her. I wouldn't bring it up, but if he/she wanted to join, I'd help out all I could.

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Leander

I started out in cub scouts and went through webelos and onto boy scouts. I don't really have any negative to say about the experience, but from what I gather my troop was a little off the wall. We were a loose group that was used to winning different scout competitions and as long as we won, we were left to our own devices. The first place I was exposed to drugs and alcohol were on scout camping trips. I wouldn't trade those times for the world.

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BBtB

Never in the scouts. Knew a few but never any of the major ones. I think the atheists and gays can do what the boy scouts did and make their own organization. I mean if the boy scouts decided tomorow to let everyone in I would be like "Oh, well thats cool" but as you mentioned they ARE a privately funded and held organization. The can allow whoever they want in and keep whoever they want out.

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krwlz

Never in Boy Scouts, never wanted to be...I was always a real independant person, and I just could not justify having some guyh I didn't know tell me what I am doing wrong while building a fire....

Then again, my brother was and he seemed to have fun.

JStrider

well i was in cub scouts all the way through to boy scouts to the eagle rank... and i found a lot of the gay/athiest stuff is pretty much dont ask dont tell... *shrug* i decided i was athiest part way through my scouting career... it wasnt a topic of discussion even tho many of the leaders knew it... it didnt really matter... the only time one of my leaders said anything about it... was right before my eagle board of review with the council... and he told me that if they asked if i believed in good it had to be a yes... in some shape or form... but they didnt ask... the closest they came was to ask me to explain what each point of the scout law meant to me.... and for reverent i went on how i thought it meant more to tolerate other peoples beliefs more then it was believe certain beliefs yourself...

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snowace56

I was an eagle scout. JStrider and I were in the same troop. All in All it wasn't too bad of an experience. The leaders had a stick up their ass, but I think thats cause I was smarter than they were and they just couldn't stand to be outsmarted by someone 20 yrs younger than them. It was also the first place I had Alcohol....whats worse is my scoutmaster dared us to drink it. And I had a kid sniff stinging nettle. Some kids are sooo gullible.

cj2112

Scouting holds a lot of fond memories for me. Some of the greatest times of my life happened during scout outings.

cheese

when i was real young i wanted to be a scout. I want alowed because i was a rasied a JW. mom wouldent let me, but now that i think about it i dont think i would be the person i am now if i was in scouts and frankly i like the person i am. on the gay/atheiest issue, being an athiest i think that it isnt the best stand. But that being said were i lived the scout meetings were held in a chruch so i doubt most ppl who arent religios would liike to bein that setting anyway, only tie i go into a church is for wedding and funerals

MacGnG

i was a boy scout, didnt try as hard as i should have but i still got good skills and such out of it.

summary of what i wrote b4:
most supporting organizations of scout groups are churches and the BSA has to publicly support the views of those organizations because they are the majority and when its something as controversial as that they just go with the majority

Miekle

I always wanted to do that kinda stuff and go camping but never got the chance. I kinda envy you guys and think it has taught you alot. My friend was in that and the young marines its always great to take him camping, he's great at starting fires and other usefull things.

World's King

I'm an recovering Eagle Scout.


Those were the strangest years of my young life.

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Troublebot

When I was younger, I was Catholic and our scout meetings were held at the First Christian Church. Didn't bother me too much. It's not like we were holding meetings in the sanctuary.

Every year we had "Scout Sunday" where our troop would go, collectively, to someone elses church. I always thought it was kind of interesting. It gave me an idea for what there worship was like and the similarities/differences between the two.

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rockogre

I too am an Eagle Scout. I started in scouts at the age of 8 and stayed with the program untill just a few years a go. Being from a small town the scout organization here was a big thing. I love the outdoors and like learning survival skills. This was also pretty much the only thing my father did with me.

In high school I changed troops when my dad pointed out that our troop was almost all white kids. We went to another troop that was much more integrated. I think that it did me some good to do that. I still have friends from that troop today.

This was in the 60's and so was a different world than todays. Most of us wouldn't know what "gay" meant exactly if someone had brought it up.

I think that scouting still has a lot to offer, but as eveyone knows they are having to wrestle with some things that were never thought of when the program was concieved.

For those of you that have a child in scouting, participate with your child. Pay attention to what it is that they are learning from the experience. Don't just assume that the adults involved are all "good guys", ask around, find out who is involved with your child. Also be sure to talk with your child about his or her experiences.

I had to participate in getting rid of a scoutmaster that was not providing a quality experience and it was not fun, but there are adults in the program that are willing to police it. Be one of them if your child is involved.

I'm still proud to be an Eagle Scout but I don't always agree with the way the program has been heading.

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Daval

I've been active in Scouts my entire life. I'm an active leader right now in a 'cultural scout group'. that means that the only people allowed in are people who are from our cultural group and we speak in that language.

The advantage of this is it keeps people connected to our culture and it also means we are much much more closely knit since there are no outsiders ever.

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rogue49

I went through cub scout, webelo, and made it to boy scout.
Then it all just went away, but I had a fun time while it lasted.
But I had an in...my mother was Den Mother.

Charlatan

I was in Cubs and moved up to Scouts and later did some time in Ventures (Canadian) and as a Scouter in Training.

I made Cheif Scout (Canada again), went to Alberta in '81 for the Canadian Jamboree, represented Toronto at a couple of fancy dos at Queen's Park, did all kinds of service work. I loved the camping and horsing around... Got drunk for the first time. Got laid for the first time (both not offical Scout events but definately Scout related). All in all it was a pretty good time.

The worst part was I had a leader that "interfered" with me. I don't think I've ever spoken about this to anyone. It went on over the course of a year. I had an opportuity to change troops and lept at the chance. He didn't pursue.

My own son has reached the Scouting age and I'm not sure I want him joining. I don't know if I can trust exposing him to what I went through. Add to this the fact that I'm not overly thrilled with the God fearing, ain't no Gays on us, Military-subtext thing that Scouts has going on...

Ultimately if he wants to join I would let him. But I not about to encourage his involvment.

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mtsgsd

I would say that it all depends on the scout troops available to you in your area. For instance, the one I was in was little more than a street gang. We were just perfect little shits that even went to so far as to force one of our troop masters out via pranks (although he deserved it). The trouble was that there was little to do but go camping. A lot of merit badges were out of reach because there was no one to teach them. Likewise the eagle scout or explorer program.

OTH, I have a couple of friends who lead a scout troop now and it completely stands up to the ideals and concepts of scouting. I wish I could be a kid again so I could join that troop.

Troublebot

I'm sorry to hear about your experiences Charlatan. It's unfortunate that assholes like that see Scouting as an oportunity for their sick shit. Even worse that many see this as a reason to ban gay scoutleaders from the program.

If my kid wanted to get involved, I'd probably get involved with him. That way I can keep an eye on him. Plus, I know it helped my Dad and I to connect alot. Some of my best Dad memories are usually involved in Scouting.

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Charlatan

My soloution to this so far, has been to have an annual canoe/camping trip with him...

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God of Thunder

I too am an Eagle Scout.

I agree with your view of things Troublebot. It seems to be the way things are looked at locally.

I recently received my 25-year service pin. I started in cub scout when I was 8. (There were no Tiger Cubs yet.) I worked up the rank until I recieved Eagle.

I now am involved at the District and Council levels and find it very satisfying. As a member of the District Commisioner staff, I am helping out a local Troop that was ready to fold. This has given me the chance to get back invovled at a leader level and re-learn many of the basics.

While I don't agree with the hard-line stance that National had decided to take, I will NEVER regret my invovlement in the BSA.

Nor do I regret staying involved as an adult leader.

I have been to two National Jamborees in Virginia, and plan to attend Philmont in the next few years.

I have hiked in the wilderness, canoed rivers, met many new friends and gained a lot of leadership experience that has helped in the business world.

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Bill O'Rights

I was in the Boy Scouts in the late 70's. I was one merit badge (Citizenship in the World) away from Eagle. Some of the best memories I have of that time are from scouting.

I honestly don't know if I would want to be involved in the Boy Scouts, as a leader, these days or not. If I did, I for damn sure would want another adult with me, at all times, when working with the kids. It seems that todays climate is so that if you get on the wrong side of the wrong kid...BAM, you're a molester. Or, I could just be paranoid.

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viveleroi0

I was in the boy scouts/cub scouts when I young. I loved the fact I belonged to something, but my troop never did anything. We just sat around and talked about what we would like to. It was a matter of funding, it was that we lived in the middle denver... city a long way around. We camped once ona grassy hill in the middle of the city, that was funny.

I want my child to be involved with things, but I doubt boy scouts is the way to go. I disapprove of their ideals now as well.

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Troublebot

God of Thunder,

Good to hear from a fellow Eagle Scout and someone so involved in BSA. Good luck at Philmont. I've been their twice myself and both times were experiences I'll never forget. Excellent times.


Hey! How come we haven't heard from anyone involved in GSA? I'd like to know how the programs compare. I've heard from several women I've known that they'd like to get involved in BSA because it was "cooler" than GSA. What's up with that?

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Double D

I was both a Brownie and a Girl Scout. Can't remember much, other than how odd it felt using a two-person outhouse when we went camping. Even when young, girls go to the bathroom together, I guess.

My son just became a Boy Scout after going through the entire Cub Scout program. The Scouts are very *big* in this part of Illinois (a wealthier group of suburbs), so the boys are very active.
My son had a great den mother & I was an asst. den mom. There were only 6 boys (an oddity, as the other grades had 3 and 4 times as many) and that made it kinda cool, because they became a very cohesive group.

Now that my son has gone through the Arrow of Light ceremony and moved on to Boy Scouts, things have changed. Firstly, it's a big group of boys varying in age from about 10 through 18 (I think. It's still pretty new to us). The older boys mentor the younger, and I really like that (so does my son). The troop is pretty autonomous too, with adults taking a back seat as much as possible. I like that as well, because the boys learn decision- making skills, yet have an adult for consultation/ supervision when needed.

I never encouraged or discouraged my son from joining. He wanted to, and has stated his desire to become an Eagle Scout. It wouldn't surprise me if he did. Sex was never discussed in Cub Scouts, other than a requirement that parents read and discuss a detailed insert in the handbook regarding preventing/avoiding sexual abuse.

Scouts are a Christian-based organization, but so is the US (*one nation, under God,*) and I accept, though don't endorse, Christianity. It's just there, and we do talk about it with our son. Badge requirements have included a discussion of our beliefs and they were good opportunities for my son to ask questions and begin to acquire his own belief system in regard to religion. I don't think Scouts pushes God on members any more than the US does in general, to it's citizens.

subaqua

I went through Cub Scouts and 2 years of Scouts in Zimbabwe (when I started it was Rhodesia, when I left it was Zimbabwe), at which point we emigrated to South Africa where there wasn't a Scout troop in our town so it finished there.

I have very positive memories of my time in the Scouting movement, and will encourage my son to join when he's older (only 17 months, aah). I expect I'll get involved with him, and it will be interesting to see how Scouting has changed since my day - we used to have the "Mountie" felt hats when I was a lad
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Tirian

I was not a Scout, but was in a similar program. It was co-ed which was kind of cool.

I learned a great deal of respect for adults through the leadership of many in that program, and one particular leader.

Each week we met, and worked on skills etc., but usually started the night with field marching drills. In the gym in the winter. One year we had a serious drill leader who had a voice that would drown out canons. I believe he was a retired or reserve military man.

To start each evening we had inspection where the kids would line up, and the leader would ensure we all had our uniforms on straight etc. Pushups were the general results of having done a sloppy job. One evening the instructor (who usually swam laps just before coming out) happened to have missed a button on his shirt, which was pointed out by one of the bolder kids. The leader asked the kid how many pushups he should do, and the smart kid said "one hundred".

Of course we all expected the leader to tell the kid to get real, but instead he dropped and in an amazingly short time, did 100 pushup's. (this after just swimming laps)

I don't know about the rest of the kids, but I really remember that incedent and the respect for some leaders I learned from it.

I will put my boys in Scouts or similar programs if they wish to join. It was a great time for me, and I learned skills. as well.

God of Thunder

You're not paranoid.

One of my duties with the District is training. And one of the principle things taught in Basic Leader Essentials is "Two Deep Leadership". This basically means that there is AT LEAST two adults present at all times, no matter how many kids there are.

If you do get involved as an adult, I suggest taking the New Leader Essentials and Youth Protection training.

I have found working with the young scouts again rewarding. They learn, and I learn right along with them.

hrdwareguy

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I started cub scouts many years ago. Went through cub scouts into Boy Scouts, became a Vigil Honor member of the Order of the Arrow, I was a Den Chief, worked on summer camp staff for multiple years, and attained the rank of Eagle Scout.

The troop I was involved in until they folded in 1999, was very active. We went camping once a month. It was great fun. I was also active in a couple different Explorer Posts.

I am still involved with the scouting program, but more on the fringes. As my son gets older, I hope he will be interested in scouting and if he is, I will get more involved.

Scouting is a great program. I have seen many youth go through summer camp and learn and grow. Not only do the scouts of today have to deal with gays and athiests, but our local summer camp staff has to learn about sexual harassment.

I think the ban on gays has a big push from the public and churches. People tend to associate gay male adults with pedophelia when they are around male youth. Hence the ban. I am not saying it's right, but that's one reason why.

As for the athiest thing goes, my personal view is, as long as they aren't trying to change the BSA, and can respect others who are religous, let them be involved. But then again, here comes the pressure from the churches who predominantly sponsor scout troops.

As with any organization, you must bend to the will of your supporters.

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Mister Coaster

I was in scouts, starting from cub scouts through boy scouts, but I never made it to Eagle, I made it as far as "star" rank, not too shabby. I was more interested in camping and having fun than busting my hump trying to advance in rank. I think I was at the "second class" rank for over 2 years.

We were a Catholic troop, so everyone there had the same religious beleifs, so that was never a problem. Never talked about homosexuality either.

I say it was a pretty good experience, all in all.

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quadro2000

I am an Eagle Scout. I wasn't a cub scout (although I was in Webelos). I joined the Boy Scouts when I was 10 or 11 because all my friends were joining and it was the "cool thing to do." Then my dad got involved in the Scouts, eventually becoming an Asst. Scoutmaster. A few months later, when all my friends quit, I tried to quit and my dad wouldn't let me.

It was really because of his persistence (and insistence) that I stayed in the Boy Scouts and made it to Eagle. It was the source of some really, really deep tension between us that to this day resides somewhere in both of our psyches.

I'm happy I stayed and made it to Eagle. I wish I had done it all on my own will and not because I was forced to. It's not like it was all horrible for me; not at all. I was just more interested in other things.

Upon becoming Eagle, I couldn't remember a damn thing about making knots or starting fires or anything like that. What I DID learn from the Scouts was leadership and responsibility. WhenI became the Assistant Senior Patrol Leader, my first instinct was to do like those had done before me; act like a Nazi to everybody below my rank. (It was our understanding that this was your responsibility - nay, your DUTY - when you became ASPL.) Instead, I decided to act like a real leader, and that was a very long learning process for me. I found that by the time I made Eagle and was SPL, I had gained the respect of both the kids and the adults around me by learning how to delegate, how to lead by example, how to admit when I was wrong, and how to let loose and have fun. Those leadership skills have stayed with me to this day, although I don't let loose enough.

One summer at Boy Scout Camp I did a program called COPE (Challenging Outdoor Physical Encounter) which consisted of various ground-level trust exercises and eventually a whole bunch of climbing walls and ropes and various things that forced me to come face to face with my fear of heights. I did very well in the program and often think how I need to have an experience like that again. It was actually the only thing I liked about Boy Scout camp.

I have decided not to actively support the Scouts anymore because of their stance on homosexuals. I am proud to be an Eagle Scout and I'm proud I was in a troop where questions about that (or God) never came up. But I would not give them money today because of that ruling.

Thanks Troublebot for posting this originally, hope nobody minds that I resurrected this thread.

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present_future

Like many of the people who have posted before, I am an Eagle Scout. I can honestly say that Scouting has been, outside of my parents and close friends, the single greatest influence on me in my life so far. Many of the qualities that I possess today, such as self reliance, cooperative leadership, and loyalty have been instilled in me through my experiences through scouting. During the 11 years that I have been active in Scouting (including Cub Scouts) I have learned a lot about life in general and how to react in difficult situations.

As far as the media's perception of the organization and the events that have been in the news lately what with the boy in Utah getting lost and the 3 scout leaders at the national jamboree being electrocuted, ask yourself this question. Would this have made national news if it didn't have to deal with Scouting? Most likely not. It seems to me that the media has just chosen to "pick on" Scouting because of its views on religion and homosexuality. Scouting at its very foundation is a Christian organization, and religion plays a part in the oath that every scout should apply to their everyday life.

As far as Scouting's stance on homosexuals, I cannot say that I totally agree with it. While I can see how a parent could be wary of this situation with their child gone on extended camping trips with a gay leader, every leader goes through some sort of approval process by the troop committee and many times even undergoes a background check. There is also the policy where there should be at least 2 leaders AT ALL TIMES whenever a Scouting function is in progress, so that should calm people's fears about this. However, since they are their own organization, they have the ability to enforce rules like this, so there really isn't anything anyone can do about it.

Sorry if I bored anyone with this long entry, but Scouting is something that I strongly support and will be active in as long as I am able.

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OracleEyes

you know, its really good to see soo many people interested in scouting or have had such an extensive background in scouting. Now I was never a cubscout, only becuase the school i went to didnt have the program. The only reason I joined in junior high was becuase it was a way for us to get out of class. But i was a very quiet kid when I joined, but soon grew out of that. My leaders always told me that saw me and bet I wouldnt have lasted more than two weeks, but i am still in the program. Boyscouts has given me so much and changed me in ways I cant even being to fathom.

I see so many guys have actually gotten their eagle, and thats a great acheivement, as for me, I never got it. But not becuase I didnt have the chance... I was only one step away, all i had to do was turn in my paper work, but the state of scouting in my council and everything was really turning me off to being an eagle. To most the kids i knew, they got eagle and then they dropped out. Then there are those kids who get it when they are 14. Now, this is just a personal opinion, but 14 is waaaay to young to get eagle, i personally believe you should not be able to get eagle until you are 16 and able to understand what it actually means to be an eagle. So I held off becuase I didnt want to be just another one of those eagle guys. But I stayed in the program just to help out the guys in my troop. I may be 22, but I know I have left a standing impression on quite a few of the younger guys in my troop who have taken over to run it. I am quite saddened by the way they have done it and their whole attitude towards the program itself, not at all understanding what it means to be a boyscout.

As for myself, i havent had the chance to go on too many high adventure trips, though I did go to boundry waters once and it was completely exceptional. I also have worked out at a boyscout camp for the past 8 years of my life, and this past year I was the aquatics director for Camp Loud Thunder, and let me tell you. That was quite a challenege, but I loved every minute of it. It is the best feeling in the world to see guys come in as cubscouts and see them come back year after year and see how they grow and change and they remember you and everything you ever did for them, and while they might not have alot of respect for some of the other staff members, knowing that people will listen and respect you for what you have done for them... now there is almost no better feeling than that. Sadly I fear I have worked there for my last summer, and now with graduating college, I have to find a job out in the 'real world', but while one adventure ends, another one starts up, eh?

Sorry about such a long post, but scouting has always been a major part of my life, though starting up the thread again is always a plus... =)

stevie667

I'm a former scout, and a member of the first British Explorer Scout Section (non-pilot).

I'd recommend it for any kid, but make sure that you find a reputable unit, and you listen to your kids. My beaver and cub unit sucked ass, so i didn't go into scouts until much later. However the scout unit (then the explorer unit) i joined was infinitly better, and i learned lots about life and all kinds of other cool crap.

All good fun.

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Fate

Ah man... explorers. That was a wicked two years of my life. So there I am, 15 year olds being intiated in Scouts Canada. Somewhat late for someone to get into, and fit into the Scouts movement eh?

After awhile I started realizing how sweet the actual system was. I enjoyed it thoroughly. I will admit though, I was a bit of a black sheep... to be very honest, I didn't earn a single badge. Atleast until recently, I hadn't realized I had.
Apparantly just attending activities (Canadian Jamboree - PEI 2k1 (If I remember correctly)) merits you badges. So there I was going through my old stuff, finding this round, scruffy edged bland colored badge. I grinned.

Then I remembered paintball, winter camping in -40celcius weather, kayaking... the flood of things I learned. Teamwork especially.

I would suggest getting into this to any boy/girl who doesn't seem to know what to do with their time. Good ol' times.

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tspikes51

I was in cub scouts, then in weeblos, but never got my arrow of light because my parents stopped taking me before I could get many merit badges. My little brother got his in a matter of months after we moved to KY and there were better troops, but he only stayed in for a year or so. I had similar learning/bonding experiences with marching band, which is extremely competitive and strong around central KY.

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