Toronto Meetup -- May 14 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Charlatan · 05-01-2005, 01:34 PM

OK... at long last I have a date for a meeting in Toronto... May 14th.

We will be meeting at the Victory Cafe - 581 Markham Street in Toronto. This is right near Honest Ed's. Google Maps

So far, James T Kirk and I are attending... will you be there?

We are looking meet around 7 or so for dinner and drinks.

IF YOU ARE IN THE GTA or UPSTATE NY you have to BE THERE!!!

mew · 05-01-2005, 03:28 PM

Thats so funny..Im going down to TO for a college friends wedding that weekend. But I cant get any time off, so Im sorry to have to miss it.
Though, Id prob be too shy to go anyways. I hope you guys have a Blast and take lots of pictures to show us! Party hard!

Charlatan · 05-01-2005, 03:33 PM

Where is the wedding being held? Maybe we can crash?

cellophanedeity · 05-01-2005, 03:38 PM

Is the Victory Cafe an actual cafe? As in, I can get in? If it's a bar, then I'll need to pass, but otherwise I'd love to meet up with you!

Charlatan · 05-01-2005, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellophanedeity

Is the Victory Cafe an actual cafe? As in, I can get in? If it's a bar, then I'll need to pass, but otherwise I'd love to meet up with you!

How old are you? You only need to be 19 to get served in a bar. That said, it is better labelled as a pub. In other words, they serve alcohol but also food and you don't have to be any particular age to get in...

You would be more than welcome!

cellophanedeity · 05-01-2005, 05:33 PM

Ah, pubs are much better than bars, as I can actually get in. I'm only eighteen and will be until October.

So I'd love to join in! I'll bring muttonglutton with me... I'm sure he'll come too

aberkok · 05-01-2005, 08:40 PM

Holy Crap!! I'm playing upstairs there with my Big Band there that night! I don't know what time we're playing, but it'll probably be around 9p.m.! More details/confirmation as I find it.

What a frickin' coincidence.

mokle · 05-01-2005, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellophanedeity

Ah, pubs are much better than bars, as I can actually get in. I'm only eighteen and will be until October.

So I'd love to join in! I'll bring muttonglutton with me... I'm sure he'll come too

You still have to be 19 to get into pubs...

Charlatan · 05-02-2005, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mokle

You still have to be 19 to get into pubs...

That's not true at all... I take my kids into pubs all the time. They just have a hell of a time getting served...

Charlatan · 05-02-2005, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aberkok

Holy Crap!! I'm playing upstairs there with my Big Band there that night! I don't know what time we're playing, but it'll probably be around 9p.m.! More details/confirmation as I find it.

What a frickin' coincidence.

How's that for cool? Hope to see you there.

blar · 05-02-2005, 08:51 AM

may 14 huh dunno if i have plans and i don't know anyone here so i am a little shy lol

but we will see

cellophanedeity · 05-02-2005, 11:30 AM

As long as I don't ask for booze, I should be fine, right? I mean, I go to the Irish Embassy and to a couple of other places once in a while with a friend for dinner... I don't see why this place should be much different.

Charlatan · 05-02-2005, 12:03 PM

It won't be...

I look forward to meeting you.

Now where are the other Torontonians and 905ers?

muttonglutton · 05-02-2005, 08:39 PM

Sounds like a lark! I'd be glad to come along!

Charlatan · 05-03-2005, 04:26 PM

OK, so the list so far is:

cellophanedeity
Charlatan
James T Kirk
muttonglutton

maybe:
blar

playing uypstairs but will try to come down to say hi: aberkok

There are a ton of us living in and around TO... come on guys... don't miss this opportunity to meet the Captain of the Starship Enterprise!!

aberkok · 05-03-2005, 08:27 PM

The Victory's not a large room at all, but will there be anyway to know where the TFP table is?

If not then I'll just have to randomly go up to each table and ask "are you guys from the TFP?"

Charlatan · 05-04-2005, 04:36 AM

Short of putting up a sign advertising out precense I can say that cellophanedeity and I have both posted pictures of ourselves in this thread: Post yourself right effing now!

cellophanedeity

Charlatan

Perhaps someone else could suggest a way we can recognize each other...

Autumn.to.Ashes · 05-04-2005, 07:26 AM

cant see those pics

dont have privliedges.

i live in hamilton, who knows maybe I could come down! im shy though, hardly even post, just read.

cellophanedeity · 05-04-2005, 07:31 AM

Come join us Autumn! It'll be fun!

no need to be shy!

trache · 05-05-2005, 07:12 AM

Wow, I'm in 519. I wonder still if I'll be able to make it. I don't know many of the people here as well as I'd like to. I am shy at first meeting a whole group of people but really come out of my shell once I have found some common ground to talk about.

Does anyone think it may be a little cliquey? I don't want to seem "out of the picture" if you know what I mean with the rest of the crowd.

Are there any hotels in the area? Perhaps I can make this an overnight thing with the girlfriend and see some sights. Any suggestions on those, btw?

Charlatan · 05-05-2005, 09:42 AM

Hey trache... I don't think it will be cliquey at all. I barely know most of the people who are coming so far... but hope to remedy that.

You should definately try to come.

As for hotels... there aren't any in the area BUT The Victory is a short walk from the Bathurst subway station and that puts it within reach of just about anywhere you would like to be... I can suggest some hotels if you give me some idea of a budget.

Cheers

Janey · 05-05-2005, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aberkok

Holy Crap!! I'm playing upstairs there with my Big Band there that night! I don't know what time we're playing, but it'll probably be around 9p.m.! More details/confirmation as I find it.

What a frickin' coincidence.

what's the name of your Big band??? I love that music.

i will attempt to be there. this is the same day that my neighbours are getting married, and the street is invited to the reception. (very cool).

Charlatan · 05-05-2005, 01:03 PM

Very cool Janey... it would be good to finally meet you.

If you don't make this do you think you might be able to make Tecoyah's party in Rochester at the end of July? I'm trying to find someone to take the ferry with me.

trache · 05-05-2005, 03:15 PM

Charlatan: Something preferrably under $100. My girlfriend and I would only need a bed, shower and roof over our heads.

That isn't to say I want to sleep in a roach motel.

aberkok · 05-05-2005, 10:45 PM

Janey:

I'm a member of the "Toronto Jazz Orchestra," and we'll be having a party upstairs for our saxophonist's parents' wedding anniversary. If you want to check out what we do, there's a link to the band on my website, but the TJO website isn't quite as up-to-date.

We do Big Band jazz from all eras (Basie/Ellington to Kenton and Mintzer and Brookmeyer, etc.)

Looking forward to meeting all of yous!

Charlatan · 05-06-2005, 05:24 AM

trache

Below $100 is tough to find in Toronto... try searching on Expedia... Here are some relatively cheap suggestions... I would also say you should try searching for some Bed and Breakfasts. You can find really nice ones for well under $100:

Days Hotel and Conference Centre Toronto (From $105) - Just across from Maple Leaf Gardens

Ramada Hotel and Suites ($120 or so) - at Yonge and College

Bond Place Hotel ($106 or so) - on just south of Dundas behind City Hall

maleficent · 05-06-2005, 05:33 AM

Most chains now will do their best to beat the online advertised prices.. You just have to ask... Check out www.hotels.com (or any of the online services) then call the hotel directly.

Charlatan · 05-06-2005, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maleficent

Most chains now will do their best to beat the online advertised prices.. You just have to ask... Check out www.hotels.com (or any of the online services) then call the hotel directly.

Thanks Mal... I meant to mention that... it is always worth calling in person.

paddyjoe · 05-08-2005, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlatan

Very cool Janey... it would be good to finally meet you.

If you don't make this do you think you might be able to make Tecoyah's party in Rochester at the end of July? I'm trying to find someone to take the ferry with me.

Yeah, and you'll surely not want to miss out on the skin flute demonstration..........

kramus · 05-08-2005, 06:23 PM

I don't know if I could make it because of the budget thing and 2 rare things - out of town visits the last 2 weekends of the month. But I ought to try. It won't be a late night I take it and I wouldn't be all pissed up so perhaps I can drive/park. Park where he asks?

And paddy, remember amonkie is taking the pictures so you just behave yourself at tec's

Charlatan · 05-09-2005, 03:35 AM

kramus... it would be great if you could make it.

Charlatan · 05-10-2005, 10:47 AM

Anyone else going to be brave and meet your fellow TFP types?

You know you will regret it if you miss this...

aberkok · 05-10-2005, 07:12 PM

Looks like my band goes on at 9:30p.m., so I'll be able to devote my full attention to you lot. I'm getting pretty excited about meeting the gang!

Charlatan · 05-13-2005, 10:07 AM

OK. We are meeting tomorrow. I will be there at 7 or just slightly after 7...

I am looking forward to meeting all of you.

aberkok · 05-14-2005, 08:16 PM

First!!! (Reporting in from the Toronto meet-up which happened mere hours ago)

Hey guys. I had a blast, and although it was fun to play upstairs, I would have rather been there with you guys a bit longer. It's hard to explain what it feels like to now be writing to those who I've now seen in person, but it's a good feeling. I hope we can do this again soon.

I'll definitely be adding y'all to the buddy list (if you're not already on there) and following your posts more closely. Us hosers need to stick together!

Kramus: it was great to meet you and to be subject to your friendliness and subtle humour

Cellophanedeity and muttonglutton: nice to meet people your age that are intelligent and not yet jaded by life's challenges!

Charlatan: thanks again for organizing this and your openness made me feel very welcome

Thanks again, and to those of you who couldn't be there, I anticipate some photos imminently (i.e. below)...

P.S. I got home a bit earlier than expected

kramus · 05-14-2005, 08:47 PM

I was very glad I made it in. Muttonglutton and Cello are a great example of a young adult guy and a young adult lady who are going to be great Canadian citizens

go team

I want you to keep updates of your amazing career boost abercock. Tell the story.

Charlatan I would like to have you as a neighbour. I would even visit of an evening with the wine.

cellophanedeity · 05-14-2005, 09:17 PM

I had an awesome time tonight, as did muttonglutton. (his router died, so he can't post for himself right now, so I'll say it for him)

Charlatan is just as charismatic in person as online. Probably more so.

kramus is excellent company! He's lovely and fun!

aberkok was the first TFPer that muttonglutton and I ran into! He's so very friendly!

muttonglutton isn't very photogenic. :P You know you're awesome Stefan.

(^aberkok left earlier to perform upstairs)

I would love to get together with everyone again! You were all so much fun, and I felt very comfortable, despite being the baby.

Thank you so much Charlatan for planning all of this!

maleficent · 05-14-2005, 09:18 PM

Good lookin' group...

amonkie · 05-14-2005, 09:41 PM

Definitely seems that way - you guys better head to Tecoyah's in July too! I'm jealous

aberkok · 05-15-2005, 06:53 AM

Yes!!!! YESSS!!!!! All that exercise is finally paying off! I actually like my picture.

I must agree. Good lookin' bunch

Too bad I couldn't be in the group shot

05-01-2005, 01:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Toronto Meetup -- May 14 OK... at long last I have a date for a meeting in Toronto... May 14th. We will be meeting at the Victory Cafe - 581 Markham Street in Toronto. This is right near Honest Ed's. Google Maps So far, James T Kirk and I are attending... will you be there? We are looking meet around 7 or so for dinner and drinks. IF YOU ARE IN THE GTA or UPSTATE NY you have to BE THERE!!! __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-01-2005, 03:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Where is the wedding being held? Maybe we can crash? __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-01-2005, 08:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
aberkok “Wrong is right.” Location: toronto	Holy Crap!! I'm playing upstairs there with my Big Band there that night! I don't know what time we're playing, but it'll probably be around 9p.m.! More details/confirmation as I find it. What a frickin' coincidence. __________________ !check out my new blog! http://arkanamusic.wordpress.com Warden Gentiles: "It? Perfectly innocent. But I can see how, if our roles were reversed, I might have you beaten with a pillowcase full of batteries."

05-02-2005, 12:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	It won't be... I look forward to meeting you. Now where are the other Torontonians and 905ers? __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-02-2005, 08:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
muttonglutton Crazy Location: K-W. Err... -dot.	Sounds like a lark! I'd be glad to come along! __________________ Cellar Door.

05-01-2005, 03:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
mew Psycho Location: Canada	Thats so funny..Im going down to TO for a college friends wedding that weekend. But I cant get any time off, so Im sorry to have to miss it. Though, Id prob be too shy to go anyways. I hope you guys have a Blast and take lots of pictures to show us! Party hard!

05-01-2005, 03:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
cellophanedeity Heliotrope Location: A warm room	Is the Victory Cafe an actual cafe? As in, I can get in? If it's a bar, then I'll need to pass, but otherwise I'd love to meet up with you!

05-01-2005, 05:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
cellophanedeity Heliotrope Location: A warm room	Ah, pubs are much better than bars, as I can actually get in. I'm only eighteen and will be until October. So I'd love to join in! I'll bring muttonglutton with me... I'm sure he'll come too

05-02-2005, 08:51 AM	#11 (permalink)
blar Insane	may 14 huh dunno if i have plans and i don't know anyone here so i am a little shy lol but we will see

05-02-2005, 11:30 AM	#12 (permalink)
cellophanedeity Heliotrope Location: A warm room	As long as I don't ask for booze, I should be fine, right? I mean, I go to the Irish Embassy and to a couple of other places once in a while with a friend for dinner... I don't see why this place should be much different.

05-03-2005, 04:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	OK, so the list so far is: cellophanedeity Charlatan James T Kirk muttonglutton maybe: blar playing uypstairs but will try to come down to say hi: aberkok There are a ton of us living in and around TO... come on guys... don't miss this opportunity to meet the Captain of the Starship Enterprise!! __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-03-2005, 08:27 PM	#16 (permalink)
aberkok “Wrong is right.” Location: toronto	The Victory's not a large room at all, but will there be anyway to know where the TFP table is? If not then I'll just have to randomly go up to each table and ask "are you guys from the TFP?" __________________ !check out my new blog! http://arkanamusic.wordpress.com Warden Gentiles: "It? Perfectly innocent. But I can see how, if our roles were reversed, I might have you beaten with a pillowcase full of batteries."

05-04-2005, 04:36 AM	#17 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Short of putting up a sign advertising out precense I can say that cellophanedeity and I have both posted pictures of ourselves in this thread: Post yourself right effing now! cellophanedeity Charlatan Perhaps someone else could suggest a way we can recognize each other... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-04-2005, 07:26 AM	#18 (permalink)
Autumn.to.Ashes Upright Location: ontario, canada	cant see those pics dont have privliedges. i live in hamilton, who knows maybe I could come down! im shy though, hardly even post, just read.

05-04-2005, 07:31 AM	#19 (permalink)
cellophanedeity Heliotrope Location: A warm room	Come join us Autumn! It'll be fun! no need to be shy!

05-05-2005, 07:12 AM	#20 (permalink)
trache Insane	Wow, I'm in 519. I wonder still if I'll be able to make it. I don't know many of the people here as well as I'd like to. I am shy at first meeting a whole group of people but really come out of my shell once I have found some common ground to talk about. Does anyone think it may be a little cliquey? I don't want to seem "out of the picture" if you know what I mean with the rest of the crowd. Are there any hotels in the area? Perhaps I can make this an overnight thing with the girlfriend and see some sights. Any suggestions on those, btw? __________________ "You looked at me as if I was eating runny eggs in slow motion." - Gord Downie of The Tragically Hip Last edited by trache; 05-05-2005 at 07:16 AM..

05-05-2005, 09:42 AM	#21 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Hey trache... I don't think it will be cliquey at all. I barely know most of the people who are coming so far... but hope to remedy that. You should definately try to come. As for hotels... there aren't any in the area BUT The Victory is a short walk from the Bathurst subway station and that puts it within reach of just about anywhere you would like to be... I can suggest some hotels if you give me some idea of a budget. Cheers __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-05-2005, 01:03 PM	#23 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Very cool Janey... it would be good to finally meet you. If you don't make this do you think you might be able to make Tecoyah's party in Rochester at the end of July? I'm trying to find someone to take the ferry with me. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-05-2005, 03:15 PM	#24 (permalink)
trache Insane	Charlatan: Something preferrably under $100. My girlfriend and I would only need a bed, shower and roof over our heads. That isn't to say I want to sleep in a roach motel. __________________ "You looked at me as if I was eating runny eggs in slow motion." - Gord Downie of The Tragically Hip

05-05-2005, 10:45 PM	#25 (permalink)
aberkok “Wrong is right.” Location: toronto	Janey: I'm a member of the "Toronto Jazz Orchestra," and we'll be having a party upstairs for our saxophonist's parents' wedding anniversary. If you want to check out what we do, there's a link to the band on my website, but the TJO website isn't quite as up-to-date. We do Big Band jazz from all eras (Basie/Ellington to Kenton and Mintzer and Brookmeyer, etc.) Looking forward to meeting all of yous! __________________ !check out my new blog! http://arkanamusic.wordpress.com Warden Gentiles: "It? Perfectly innocent. But I can see how, if our roles were reversed, I might have you beaten with a pillowcase full of batteries."

05-06-2005, 05:24 AM	#26 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	trache Below $100 is tough to find in Toronto... try searching on Expedia... Here are some relatively cheap suggestions... I would also say you should try searching for some Bed and Breakfasts. You can find really nice ones for well under $100: Days Hotel and Conference Centre Toronto (From $105) - Just across from Maple Leaf Gardens Ramada Hotel and Suites ($120 or so) - at Yonge and College Bond Place Hotel ($106 or so) - on just south of Dundas behind City Hall __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-06-2005, 05:33 AM	#27 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	Most chains now will do their best to beat the online advertised prices.. You just have to ask... Check out www.hotels.com (or any of the online services) then call the hotel directly. __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

05-08-2005, 06:23 PM	#30 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	I don't know if I could make it because of the budget thing and 2 rare things - out of town visits the last 2 weekends of the month. But I ought to try. It won't be a late night I take it and I wouldn't be all pissed up so perhaps I can drive/park. Park where he asks? And paddy, remember amonkie is taking the pictures so you just behave yourself at tec's __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca

05-09-2005, 03:35 AM	#31 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	kramus... it would be great if you could make it. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-10-2005, 10:47 AM	#32 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Anyone else going to be brave and meet your fellow TFP types? You know you will regret it if you miss this... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-10-2005, 07:12 PM	#33 (permalink)
aberkok “Wrong is right.” Location: toronto	Looks like my band goes on at 9:30p.m., so I'll be able to devote my full attention to you lot. I'm getting pretty excited about meeting the gang! __________________ !check out my new blog! http://arkanamusic.wordpress.com Warden Gentiles: "It? Perfectly innocent. But I can see how, if our roles were reversed, I might have you beaten with a pillowcase full of batteries."

05-13-2005, 10:07 AM	#34 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	OK. We are meeting tomorrow. I will be there at 7 or just slightly after 7... I am looking forward to meeting all of you. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

05-14-2005, 08:16 PM	#35 (permalink)
aberkok “Wrong is right.” Location: toronto	First!!! (Reporting in from the Toronto meet-up which happened mere hours ago) Hey guys. I had a blast, and although it was fun to play upstairs, I would have rather been there with you guys a bit longer. It's hard to explain what it feels like to now be writing to those who I've now seen in person, but it's a good feeling. I hope we can do this again soon. I'll definitely be adding y'all to the buddy list (if you're not already on there) and following your posts more closely. Us hosers need to stick together! Kramus: it was great to meet you and to be subject to your friendliness and subtle humour Cellophanedeity and muttonglutton: nice to meet people your age that are intelligent and not yet jaded by life's challenges! Charlatan: thanks again for organizing this and your openness made me feel very welcome Thanks again, and to those of you who couldn't be there, I anticipate some photos imminently (i.e. below)... P.S. I got home a bit earlier than expected __________________ !check out my new blog! http://arkanamusic.wordpress.com Warden Gentiles: "It? Perfectly innocent. But I can see how, if our roles were reversed, I might have you beaten with a pillowcase full of batteries."

05-14-2005, 08:47 PM	#36 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	I was very glad I made it in. Muttonglutton and Cello are a great example of a young adult guy and a young adult lady who are going to be great Canadian citizens go team I want you to keep updates of your amazing career boost abercock. Tell the story. Charlatan I would like to have you as a neighbour. I would even visit of an evening with the wine. __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca

05-14-2005, 09:17 PM	#37 (permalink)
cellophanedeity Heliotrope Location: A warm room	I had an awesome time tonight, as did muttonglutton. (his router died, so he can't post for himself right now, so I'll say it for him) Charlatan is just as charismatic in person as online. Probably more so. kramus is excellent company! He's lovely and fun! aberkok was the first TFPer that muttonglutton and I ran into! He's so very friendly! muttonglutton isn't very photogenic. :P You know you're awesome Stefan. (^aberkok left earlier to perform upstairs) I would love to get together with everyone again! You were all so much fun, and I felt very comfortable, despite being the baby. Thank you so much Charlatan for planning all of this!

05-14-2005, 09:18 PM	#38 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	Good lookin' group... __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

05-14-2005, 09:41 PM	#39 (permalink)
amonkie Drifting Administrator Location: Windy City	Definitely seems that way - you guys better head to Tecoyah's in July too! I'm jealous __________________ Calling from deep in the heart, from where the eyes can't see and the ears can't hear, from where the mountain trails end and only love can go... ~~~ Three Rivers Hare Krishna

05-15-2005, 06:53 AM	#40 (permalink)
aberkok “Wrong is right.” Location: toronto	Yes!!!! YESSS!!!!! All that exercise is finally paying off! I actually like my picture. I must agree. Good lookin' bunch Too bad I couldn't be in the group shot __________________ !check out my new blog! http://arkanamusic.wordpress.com Warden Gentiles: "It? Perfectly innocent. But I can see how, if our roles were reversed, I might have you beaten with a pillowcase full of batteries."