Meridae'n

To be honest, very bloody rarely does science news thrill me, but I found this little nugget gave me a semi...

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Typical. We can't clone one of the smaller, more peaceful herbivores. Nooooo. We're gonna clone the biggest, meanest, fuck-off carnivore that walked the planet. With a bit of luck we could well be up to our armpits in commie radioactive dinosaurs in the future, finger's crossed.

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flat5

funny take...and yes

Charlatan

I was excited by this as well... I can't wait to see what the TRex DNA shows...

You know that God but that soft tissue there to test the faithful, right?

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vermin

This is exciting news. I'll have my T-Rex steak medium rare, please.

Creationists don't dispute whether or not there were dinosaurs, we just disagree with evolutionists on what caused them to die out (Flood vs. whatever theory they're pushing this week).

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mazagmot

I can hardly wait to visit jurassic park. Maybe in another decade we'll have a remake of the original movie, but this time the behind the scenes features will discuss how they trained the dinosaurs rather than how the amazing new science of animatronics works.

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mazagmot

I can hardly wait to visit jurassic park. Maybe in another decade we'll have a remake of the original movie, but this time the behind the scenes features will discuss how they trained the dinosaurs rather than how the amazing new science of animatronics works.

"Well, first we demonstrate what we want to the animal, then ask it to repeat it. If it does the action correctly, we reward it with a full grown Holstein. If it doesn't, then we short it's face out with these high voltage lines we run from a power plant we had scratch built for this express purpose."

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Grasshopper Green

I'm having a hard time not picturing some Jurassic Park-esque scenario coming from this.....

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paddyjoe

What great TV that'll make......an Ostrich giving birth to a T-Rex!

TM875

My thoughts exactly. I'm excited to see where this is going - I might have a future in the economics of dinosaur entertainment.

In all seriousness, I'm on the border if this should be done or not. Cloning a dinosaur would be just about the most amazing technological, scientific, and zoological achievement of our time. But then again...they could all eat us. Maybe we'll just try it with one, and see what happens...

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cj2112

I'm gonna have to take the stance that just because we can do certain things, doesn't necessarily mean that we should....

Willravel

So we clone a dinosaur...and put it on primetime? Why not splice it a bit and make it smart enough to be on a reality show? Actually, we'd have to lower their I.Qs to get them on reality tv. American Idol: Dinosaur edition.

I say we leave this to scientists for a while.

Rekna

I confused as to what exactly you are going to feed creationists if they clone the T-Rex. I have not met a creationist that doesn't believe dinasours roamed the earth. In fact the bible says they were there. Creationists mearly believe in a different timeline and what killed them. Seems to me like the original poster just has a bone to pick with people who believe in something different and wants to start a large argument here over nothing. In fact I don't see how this finding weakens the creationists argument, to me it seems to do the opposite as it shortens the timeline.

Squishor

I have met some who say the fossils were placed there in the rocks. That's what Charlatan was referring to in his post above.

Pacifier

cloning a real T-Rex is close to impossible even if you have the complete DNA.
The DNA may be the recipe, but you still need a proper kitchen to "cook" a T-Rex.

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raveneye

Yep, you need a functioning nucleus, not just DNA, to clone a whole organism. Ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

However, cloning a single gene is another story. If DNA can be extracted from T-Rex, then some of its genes might be cloned and inserted into a mouse, or a tomato plant.

Then we might have a very scary, ferocious tomato.

MovieNut

hmmm...a cloned TRex let loose on an island, with humans trying to find a way off od the island. Am I way off base here, or does this have the making of the next, massive, crappy Reality TV disaster

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biznatch

hah, I just finished reading the book Jurassic Park 2 weeks ago (and the book rocks oh so much)..
Well if they could pull this offf, having a real life fucking T-rex there I will be jumping with joy. They could eat us up. I don't care. i'd enjoy it. Seeing a T-rex in front of me would be compensation enough. I can't express how thrilled I'd be at the prospect of seeing real dinos.
they're described so well in Jurassic Park, too. I know this is possible, I wanna see it happen, damn it.
Who cares about chaos theory, the promethean spark, all that...Lets play God. Who cares if we get burned? not me.

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TexanAvenger

Or you cold plug certain genes into existing reptiles... Not a full-fledged T-rex, but something's better than nothing, right?

Pacifier

I don't think so, there is a huge difference between todays reptiles and dinosaurs.
T-Rex, for example, is believed to be warmblooded

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Grasshopper Green

This is what my mom believes...that Satan put the fossils in the rocks to test the faith of believers against the scientists who say that the Earth is much, much older than the Bible says it is.

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Rekna

If someone uses the satan placed the evidence argument then there is nothing that can prove that wrong to them other than disproving the existence of satan which means disproving the existence of God. I still fail to see how this artical deals with creationists and fail to see how the author connected it to creationists other than throwing a jab at them in the title.

zen_tom

That Satan is a tricky old devil eh!?

raveneye

Actually, birds are much more closely related to dinosaurs than any other group of living animals. In fact, you could say that birds are dinosaurs. That's why in the original article the fossil cells are compared to those of a living ostrich, which is a bird not a reptile.

The only animals that are genetically transformable right now are mice and insects as far as I know.

Hain

I'm diggin' this make the T-Rex smarter. Then let's teach it the differing view points! The T-Rex can then decide who he'll eat.

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Rlyss

How hard would it really be to keep a t-rex in captivity? They learned from their mistakes with King Kong, and Dennis Nedry's dead now so we don't have to worry about the electric fences going down.

But really, couldn't they make a zoo out of the same stuff they make bomb shelters and bunkers out of? Make it in a huge pit and make people climb ladders to get in and out. I can't imagine a dinosaur's any good at climbing a ladder so even if something goes wrong he won't be going anywhere. I think we should clone a dinosaur and keep it in captivity, that'd be awesome.

sadistikdreams

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but whatever surrogate they use will spoil the t-rex dna. We'd have to breed them in generations if we want them to be 100% pure. 1st generation dinos would have like... 50% original dna, 50% surrogate dna.

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Lockjaw

I have to agree to what was said above, "Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean we should".

I'm sorry but as cool as dinos were possibly do we REALLY need to clone them even if we could? We do not know everything and some things should be just left alone in my book. I'd be more interested in the cloning of ancient plants to see if there is any potential medicinal benefits. A T-rex is good for nothing but eating and pooping. And if even ONE person got killed by a T-rex then it's too high of a price to pay.

Ace_O_Spades

Well if the dinosaurs hadn't died out we probably wouldn't have evolved past our earliest stages of development, so It's probably a good thing they're not around today.

I'm all for discovering what happened to them, or how they lived etc... But I don't want them around today by any stretch.

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ShaniFaye

I have to agree with this....I believe in creation and was taught about dinosaurs in sunday school....so can someone explain the point of the original post?

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TexanAvenger

This was the point I was trying to get across, though I had placed the DNA into the wrong surrogate... What you come up with is a hybrid, not an actual T-rex. And you could never get it to 100%, though eventually it could be negligable.

This was part of the big talk a couple years ago when some group got really excited and claimed they were going to try and breed wooly mammoths. They had a great plan and everything set out, but then realized they didn't actually have any way to access those genes...

biznatch

haha there'll always be a Dennis Nedry somewhere.
Yes, I do think keeping a T-rex captive is totally feasible. But doing a Jurassic Park, just like the one in the book, would be craziness, and I really don't think humanity is advanced enough to recreate the Jurassic era, whether it be on an isolated island with the most advanced technology; from what I understand of chaos theory, or even murphy's law, its bound to go wrong...or unpredicted. (god I love that book)
But people say it would be impossible to clone a T-rex..
I don't know...what does it take exactly to clone an animal?
I'm sure they could somehow piece up the DNA..

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Tophat665

OK, an ostrich, then.

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Charlatan

The article doesn't deal with creationists... and the way I see it, the original poster (a person known to have a sense of humour) was just making a joke...

Relax.


Now that you are relaxed... you are aren't you? Dinosaurs have never been satisfactorally refuted by creationists... They have to have a shorted time line in order to account for the garden of eden to now...

this has nothing to do explicitly with the article.

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skier

*tries to imagine an ostrich giving birth to a T-rex*


yeah I know, it would be an egg. It'd still be one hell of an egg though.


I don't think you could actually birth a T-rex though, even a 50-50 hybrid. The DNA would just be too different, and any result of artificial creation would end up aborting somewhere down the line.

It would be cool if we managed to use the same process for a dinosaur... egg or something (this is probably way off base though, I don't really understand the "de-mineralization" process they used on the bones)

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omega2K4

I hope they clone it, or at least attempt to. It will be amazing to see if it works, and if it does, all is fine and dandy until it goes on a killing rampage. Even then, it would be pretty badass.

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Meridae'n

I was merely saying that if we do clone a T-Rex, I'd like to feed a whole bunch of those zany creationists to it.


Hang on, weren't we made out of dirt, or fleas of Budda's body or something? I'm sure I read it somewhere in the bible??

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The T-Rex wasn't as bad as we thought it was. About 3 or 4 years ago I saw this discovery channel special, where the Nerdologists found evidence of the T-Rex being a scavenger. At least i'm pretty sure it was the T-REX.

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I believe that more riots would be caused if wayne brady was cloned.

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cyrnel

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Be he an individual or a corporate entity, there's always a Nedry waiting in the wings. Waiting for that perfect moment when everything seems to be going so well. It's at that precise moment he'll slide down that slippery, muddy, mess and firmly jam his wrench into our works. Bastard.

Otherwise, I say go for it. Especially if they can come up with a miniature version that'll co-exist more than a couple days in a turtle-bowl. Or maybe one with big, cute, floppy ears for the kids. Maybe a version with really long legs, like a reverse dachshund effect, and make it fire breathing, for home defense against those cloned dragons we learned about on The Discovery Channel. How else are we going to defend ourselves?

Embedded wav files... I know they're against nature, just hope they're not against TFP's TOS? Sorry.

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hulk

Remember, guys, this isn't a movie. Cloned maniac T-Rex vs guys with guns == dead lizard. Clone away!

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Lin

Hi Im not too familiar with the bible but I wasnt aware it made reference to dinasaurs ...could you elaberate for me?