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View Poll Results: Should the Pope have been allowed to carry on after it was found he had Parkinson's | |||
Yes (for sure he's the Pope) | 33 | 44.59% | |
No (give the guy a break) | 6 | 8.11% | |
Couldn't care, eitherway | 35 | 47.30% | |
Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll |
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04-01-2005, 03:49 AM | #1 (permalink) | |
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The Popes final days?!
So looks like the Popes long life is coming to an end.
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Oh and what will happen after the pope dies, will anything really change?
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04-01-2005, 04:30 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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Can someone tell me what exactly the "pope" does? All I ever see is him standing on a balcony waving at people (and Im being serious, not snide) I dont understand what function the man has.
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04-01-2005, 04:49 AM | #3 (permalink) | |
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The pope is the head/leader of the catholic faith and the vatican
(as far as I know anyway). But I don't feel one way or the other. He wouldn't have become the pope if he hadn't wanted to dedicate his life to that purpose.. so all in all, I don't really think he should have been dismissed when it was found he had parkinsons.
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04-01-2005, 05:07 AM | #4 (permalink) | |
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04-01-2005, 05:43 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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For a listing of all his duties.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm He's also supposedly beatified more saints than any other Pope before him. Can't stop the blessing train. From his CNN bio "Not only is he the most traveled pope in history -- he speaks eight languages, learning Spanish after he became the pope -- he also has been quick to use the media and technology to his advantage." "His criticism of such dictators as Alfred Stroessner in Paraguay, Augusto Pinochet in Chile and Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines encouraged opposition movements that eventually brought down those governments." "But the pope hasn't played favorites, and the West has come in for its share of criticism, too. During that first triumphal visit to the United States, he warned his hosts about the dangers of materialism, selfishness and secularism, and suggested lowering the standard of living and sharing the wealth with the Third World." "John Paul II embarked on nothing less than a restoration of the church, one grounded in its conservative tradition. His rejection of contraception and abortion has been absolute and unbending, and his almost dictatorial manner has not always played well." "His inflexibility on issues with international ramifications -- birth control in Africa, for example -- has drawn strong criticism." So I'm pretty sure the pope does more than just wave.
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04-01-2005, 06:06 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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Hey they let Michael J Fox continue on why not the Pope? Seriously...you can function with Parkinsons and that along with being the age of 84 he's done remarkably well. I hope that he is granted a merciful and dignified end to his days. He has certainly earned that.
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04-01-2005, 06:07 AM | #7 (permalink) |
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The Papacy is a lifetime appointment. There's no retiring from Pope any more than a king would retire. It's not at all inappropriate to say that the Pope is the king of the Catholic Church and the Holy See.
While he's been incapacitated, he's had various people assisting him with his duties. He's been more of a moral and spiritual leader than somebody actually beating the streets, the way he did in his earlier years. |
04-01-2005, 06:47 AM | #8 (permalink) | |
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04-01-2005, 06:56 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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I'm hoping for a younger, more moderate replacement to come in - so let him die, for gods' sakes. (not a typo.) Funny, he's against abortion and birth control, but has no problem being fitted with a feeding tube - double standard, anyone?
Don't forget his other major duty - making sure those evil gay people can't marry or go to heaven. Sorry... I have a pet peeve about religion being used to tell a lot of people it's okay to hate certain groups.
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04-01-2005, 07:29 AM | #11 (permalink) | |
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His stance on abortion and birth control is that life is sacred and should be propagated at all times. Feeding tube, same thing. It's all about life with the Pope. Sorry, I have a pet peeve about people saying things which are logically retarded.
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04-01-2005, 08:35 AM | #12 (permalink) |
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Huh, you know, I've never thought of it that way? It's a strong viewpoint, I have to say. The way I was looking at it was sometimes abortion and lots of times real birth control are enhancing quality/ability to live, and so are the other medical advances he's using. I.e. why is one medical advance okay, but not others?
Honest, I'm not trying to cause a problem - I just love discussing this stuff.
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04-01-2005, 08:45 AM | #13 (permalink) | |
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04-01-2005, 08:48 AM | #14 (permalink) |
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I dig, I didn't mean to sound like a dick either(something I manage to do constantly anyway). For some reason I have a soft spot for the current pope.
Really, in my own cynical view, I think all the don't be gay, don't fap, no abortion, no birth control, sex for procreation rules are just designed to churn out more believers. While I doubt many, if any, ranking catholics view it as such, it just seems to be the orientation of the rules. I see your medical advancement premise, but I really think it's just about preserving life for this current pope,
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04-01-2005, 08:51 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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He had a disease but could still function
To be Honest.....he, and what he leads are somewhat irrelevant to my life anyway, and I doubt he could fuck that institution up anymore than it already is.....heh No offense intended....just my belief
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04-01-2005, 09:00 AM | #16 (permalink) | |
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04-01-2005, 09:01 AM | #17 (permalink) | |
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04-01-2005, 09:40 AM | #18 (permalink) |
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I can't understand the news articles that are cropping up that are branding his papacy a disaster because he won't give any ground to stem cell research or gay marriage or condom use or whatever. As much as the Holy Father has done for the Church, he didn't show up in the early 80s and pull all of Catholic social teaching out of his big bishop hat. I find it both sad and funny that popular egoism here in the U.S. has it that the teachings of a 2,000 year old worldwide organization should be in full agreement with the social norms of one place at one time just because that place and time happens to be our own.
I'm not too worried about the pope in his current situation now, though. While nobody knows for sure how he feels and what he thinks but he and God, I'm pretty bloody sure that he's going straight to heaven. He's had one of the most demanding roles a single human can undertake for over 25 years and stated publicly that come hell, high water, Parkison's, or whatever else, he's going to keep at it until he dies. I don't think eternal paradise will be all that bad compared to what the poor man is suffering now as a result of his body's failure.
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04-01-2005, 10:18 AM | #20 (permalink) | |
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04-01-2005, 10:24 AM | #21 (permalink) |
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As for preserving the sanctity of life, what if the pope ended up like how schiavo? (crummy example, but it works)
Science keeping his body alive, but apparantly nobody "upstairs"? Would the church keep him alive until massive organ failure some 50 years further down the road?
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04-01-2005, 10:26 AM | #22 (permalink) |
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From what I've read, he opted not to go to the hospital, so it doesn't sound like he would want that, not that it matters now, because Reuters and the italian press are reporting that he is indeed dead.
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04-01-2005, 10:31 AM | #23 (permalink) |
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Well, if the Pope was moved from his duties and replaced, he'll be the first pope in..well, a long time to be replaced by somebody else.
If I recall history, Popes usually lived out their days or get killed by something unnatural. I think the last Pope to resign was back in 1700s or something like that.
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04-01-2005, 10:38 AM | #24 (permalink) |
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Its being reported now on the news that he has passed away....nothing confirmed on CNN yet though
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04-01-2005, 10:43 AM | #25 (permalink) |
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John Paul II's successor will be the 5th pope within my lifetime. I don't really know why I threw that out there...I just found it interesting.
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04-01-2005, 11:15 AM | #26 (permalink) | |
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04-01-2005, 11:17 AM | #27 (permalink) |
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Yeah, I'm really looking forward to that too - I've only ever known one pope's rule (not that I've known so in-depth or anything).
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04-01-2005, 11:31 AM | #28 (permalink) |
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Allowed to carry on? Sure if he wants to, and everything that I've seen of the guy is that he's tough as nails.
Forced to carry on? I don't think anybody should be forced into a position that stressful, whether they're healthy or otherwise.
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04-01-2005, 12:52 PM | #29 (permalink) |
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I don't think a pope has resigned since the 15th or 16th century.
I didn't mean to spark a debate with my last comment. This is General Discussion. I was just expressing frustration with all the near-obituaries that are flying around. As significant as John Paul II is to Catholicism, he's really just an (exceptionally bright) flicker in the grand history and teachings of the faith. He is blamed in some of these articles for maintaining centuries-old moral teachings as if he came up with them and oppressively enforced them himself. To address your concern though, Jess, we Catholics believe that church doctrine should be in sync with the will of God rather than any one human culture. Obviously if you don't believe God exists, we know why we have different viewpoints. Popular values are fickle things. There's nothing to say that 2055 is going to be any more similar to 2005 than 1955 is. Anyone who claims to teach an objective, eternal moral code needs a stronger foundation than the latest ethical trends.
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04-01-2005, 01:15 PM | #31 (permalink) |
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I'm not Catholic, or religious by any means, but this man sure has a place in a lot of hearts. I loathed to see him try to function, as his physical abilities weakened, and his health grew poorer. I remember as a child, he seemed almost mythical, in his garb & with his entourage.
I recall hearing about what a remarkable man he was, in the years before he was the Pope. He gave his life to his work. That's a wonderful example for us all.
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04-01-2005, 01:27 PM | #32 (permalink) |
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imho, it was fine that he carried on til today, the day he died. his mind was all still quite intact.
he became pope 26 yrs ago. hopefully, his successor will be a bit more in tunes with the times & the current world's needs. afterall, it is sometimes difficult to teach an old <strike>dog</strike> pope new tricks. oh gosh. that sounds way wrong. hopefully you get my drift w/o dirty thoughts. he was a cute pope though. i hope heaven has a harley waiting for him & he can ditch the pope mobile.
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04-01-2005, 03:50 PM | #33 (permalink) |
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you know...I was listening to Hannity on the way home today and he had a Rabbi on that was talking about the Pope and all the good things he had done for the catholics relationship with the Jews....I thought that was really cool.....it makes me want to learn more about him.
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04-01-2005, 04:00 PM | #34 (permalink) | |
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04-02-2005, 08:17 AM | #37 (permalink) | |
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