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ShaniFaye · 03-21-2005, 05:12 PM

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Officials: Student kills 5 at school and grandparents
Shooter also believed dead at Minnesota high school

Monday, March 21, 2005 Posted: 7:56 PM EST (0056 GMT)

(CNN) -- A student on Monday killed two of his grandparents, then went on a shooting rampage at his Minnesota high school, killing five people and wounding as many as 15 others before killing himself, officials said.

FBI Special Agent Paul McCabe told reporters the dead include a female teacher, a male security officer and four Red Lake High School students.

"We believe that one of those students is the shooter," McCabe said.

The school was evacuated and locked down, he said.

"At this time, we believe he was acting alone," McCabe said. He would not comment on a possible motive, saying, "It's far too early in the investigation."

The slain students were shot in one room, he said, adding that 14 to 15 other students were wounded.

"Apparently, he walked down the hallway shooting and then he entered a classroom, he shot several students and a teacher, then himself," said Roman Stately, with the Red Lake Fire Department, who arrived at the high school moments after the shootings.

Authorities discovered about an hour later that the boy had shot and killed his grandmother and grandfather, a veteran of the police force, Stately told KARE-TV.

Stately said the boy used his grandfather's police-issued weapon in the school rampage.

The shootings occurred about 3 p.m. (4 p.m. ET), in Red Lake High School, a school of 300 student that is on a sovereign Indian reservation within Beltrami County, about 25 miles north of Bemidji, a town of about 25,000 residents, many of them Ojibway Indians, he said.

The school is about 240 miles north of the Twin Cities, near the Canadian border.

I really dont know what to say about this right now, since there are no real details....but I wanted to post the story. Does anyone in the area have any other details that CNN hasnt posted yet?

Coppertop · 03-21-2005, 05:15 PM

Here we go again...

ShaniFaye · 03-21-2005, 05:20 PM

Am I a bad person because the first thing that popped in my head was a new michael moore movie entitled something like.....snowshoeing for redlake?

flstf · 03-21-2005, 05:25 PM

Apparently the high school is located on the Red Lake Indian Reservation close to the Canadian border.

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Carnage at Minnesota high school
The FBI did not say how many people had been killed and also declined to release details.

Students and a teacher at the scene, Diane Schwanz, identified a male student as the gunman. Ms. Schwanz said the shooter tried to break down a door to get into a room where some students were.

“I just got on the floor and called the cops,” Ms. Schwanz told the Bemidji Pioneer. “I was still just half-believing it.”

Red Lake High School, on the Red Lake Indian Reservation, has about 300 students, according to its Web site.

Audrey Thayer, who lives in Bemidji and works as a researcher for the American Civil Liberties Union's Minnesota chapter, said the reservation was locked down by police with roadblocks.

“They have got it closed off,” she said.

The reservation is about 400 kilometres north of the Twin Cities. It is home to the Red Lake Band of Chippewa Indians.

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Eight dead in Minnesota school shooting
ST. PAUL, Minn., March 21 (Reuters) - Eight people were shot dead and more than dozen wounded on Monday by a student who opened fire at a high school and a home on the Red Lake Indian Reservation in northern Minnesota, authorities said.

Among the dead was a male security guard, a female teacher, three students and the gunman, FBI agent Paul McCabe said. As many as 15 other students were injured.

"They believe the shooter is among the dead and was acting alone," McCabe said.

Prior to the afternoon school shooting, the student shot dead a couple at a home on the reservation, McCabe said.

Other officials identified the couple as the gunman's grandparents, who were apparently among the dead. His grandfather was a longtime police officer on the reservation, a fire department official told CBS News.

"The young man, whoever he is, shot his grandfather and grandmother, and then went to the school and shot as many as 16 more," said Vernon Bellecourt of the American Indian Movement in Minneapolis.

jhkayakr · 03-21-2005, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

Am I a bad person because the first thing that popped in my head was a new michael moore movie entitled something like.....snowshoeing for redlake?

I see Michael Moore also.......

Coppertop · 03-21-2005, 05:33 PM

No, you're not a bad person. It's inevitable that the two schools will be compared. And that goes for all things associated with them as well.

Silvy · 03-21-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

Am I a bad person because the first thing that popped in my head was a new michael moore movie entitled something like.....snowshoeing for redlake?

Actually my first thought was: what will they blame this time?
Did he see to many Westerns? Is Mario making our kids violent?

It seems that with many such incidents violent movies / TV shows or video games are blamed.

My second thought went out to the families involved... It's going to be difficult to get over such an event.

ShaniFaye · 03-21-2005, 05:37 PM

I also feel....that somehow....this is once again going to somehow put native americans in the negative spotlight. Or the police..IE=how did he get his grandfathers service piece.

whocarz · 03-21-2005, 05:39 PM

Let's take bets on how long before people start calling for the banning of firearms.

flstf · 03-21-2005, 05:45 PM

You aren't the only one comparing this to Columbine etc...

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The Independent
There were scenes of confusion in the area surrounding the school yesterday in the aftermath of the shooting, according to local residents. The incident is the latest in a growing number of fatal school shootings to blight the US. Among the most infamous of American high school massacres took place at Columbine High School in the spring of 1999.

Two teenagers, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, walked into the school and killed 12 students and one teacher before turning the gun on themselves.

The rise in school shootings has in part been attributed to exposure to violence in media and films, and in the case of the Columbine massacre, violent video games, which was a favourite of the two killers.

Locally, the shooting follows the 12 March killings of seven congregants at a church service near Milwaukee, Wisconsin, which ended when the gunman killed himself. In 2003, a student at Rocori High School in central Minnesota allegedly gunned down two classmates. He is awaiting trial.

Seanland · 03-21-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by flstf

Apparently the high school is located on the Red Lake Indian Reservation close to the Canadian border.

Are you implying something when you say close to the Canadian Border?
Cause I don't know up here, we don't have problems like that. Thats something that really baffled me, why people just south of us have problems like this, I think as long as I can remember I've heard of one school shooting here and it was accidental (Gang Fight Gone Wrong) which was like 8 years ago.. I don't get it....
What is the big difference??
If someone can answer me this, I'm sure alot of these problems can be solved or prevented.

Bodyhammer86 · 03-21-2005, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Seanland

Are you implying something when you say close to the Canadian Border?
Cause I don't know up here, we don't have problems like that. Thats something that really baffled me, why people just south of us have problems like this, I think as long as I can remember I've heard of one school shooting here and it was accidental (Gang Fight Gone Wrong) which was like 8 years ago.. I don't get it....
What is the big difference??
If someone can answer me this, I'm sure alot of these problems can be solved or prevented.

I guess not.
From the National Post:

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Columbine copycats
Boys plotted to hit Saint John High, police say

Richard Foot, with files by Mike Traikos
CanWest News Service

March 18, 2005

1 | 2 | NEXT >>

SAINT JOHN, N.B. - Three teenage boys have been arrested for allegedly conspiring to seize control of a school and methodically murder some of its students and teachers.

Police found gunpowder and other material used for making pipe bombs at the boys' homes and believe the youths had practised making bombs.

The boys, aged 15 to 17, were Saint John air cadets and their alleged plot was planned for April 20, the anniversary of the 1999 Columbine High School massacre where 12 students and a teacher were killed.

At a Saint John bail hearing for the two eldest teenagers on Wednesday, police Constable Rick Russell said the boys were plotting a "planned takeover" of Saint John High where one of the boys is a pupil. The other two are from Harbourview High.

He said the boys had been practising making bombs for some time, and were planning to attack the school's administration offices with explosives, where they intended to kill the principal and other officials with bombs and guns. He said the boys then planned to order a list of "hated" students into the offices, one by one, to be executed.

Const. Russell said police had found writing by the boys naming the people they planned to kill.

He said the 17-year-old had also written: "I hate my life ... I hate everyone."

The alleged conspiracy was uncovered last Friday by fellow cadets in a conversation overheard during a March Break trip to Quebec City.

A separate incident involving the same three boys on the Quebec visit is also being investigated by military police, a cadet spokeswoman said yesterday.

After returning to Saint John High School on Monday, two students reported to principal Barry Harbinson what they had learned in Quebec. An emergency staff meeting was called, and within half an hour the three boys had been arrested.

Although no weapons were found at either school, Saint John police did find gunpowder and other material used for making pipe bombs at the boys' homes.

The teenagers cannot be named under Canada's young offender law.

They have each been charged with possessing explosives, placed under house arrest, and suspended from both the cadets and their schools.

Although there are rumours that school bullying is the cause of the boys' anger, it is not yet clear if bullying is a factor in the case.

Officials at the two high schools spent yesterday trying to calm students and parents who learned of the alleged plot this week.

"It's been a very difficult week and has caused me a great deal of concern," Saint John schools superintendent Susan Tipper said in an interview yesterday. "I find it very disheartening and upsetting that any young person today would be so discontent with their own lives, or the world around them, that they would consider something like this."

At Saint John and Harbourview high schools, counsellors were made available to students yesterday. Officials were also busy telephoning parents explaining the week's events and insisting the schools were safe.

Students were also assembled yesterday morning at each school and told if any had more information about the alleged conspiracy, they should give it to police.

http://www.canada.com/national/natio...9-3ada842d84bc
Sorry but this kind of thing isn't native to the US. Sure, this one was stopped in advance, but if it were really well in advance, there wouldn't even be a threat of it, period.

/end threadjack

Sweetpea · 03-21-2005, 07:27 PM

This is truly sad. Let us all take a moment of silence for such deaths.

my heart goes out to all those who died and are being affected by it.

Where the social/mental/physical/emotional disconnect happened for this young individual i would like to know and i am sure it will come out fairly soon here . . .

flstf · 03-21-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Seanland

Are you implying something when you say close to the Canadian Border?

Yes, I'm implying that the geographic location is in northern Minnesota close to the Canadian border, nothing more.

MH73 · 03-21-2005, 07:50 PM

... So sad...

Unfortunate too, since the grandfather should have known, as a former officer, how to secure a weapon.

There were obviously problems with this kid's environment, sucks that innocents had to suffer as well...

Lasereth · 03-21-2005, 07:53 PM

This isn't a proper article without a blame on videogames! I demand the article to be re-written in the form of videogame bashing.

In all seriousity (my personal word), that is terrible. I can't imagine what the people who know the students that are wounded or dead are feeling right now.

-Lasereth

Minorci · 03-21-2005, 08:09 PM

For once i am glad that Australia has the enforced gun laws here, sorry to those who are affected by this, its a terrible thing to happen.

Seanland · 03-21-2005, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bodyhammer86

I guess not.
From the National Post:

http://www.canada.com/national/natio...9-3ada842d84bc
Sorry but this kind of thing isn't native to the US. Sure, this one was stopped in advance, but if it were really well in advance, there wouldn't even be a threat of it, period.

/end threadjack

Look At This and tell me how "this kind of thing isn't native to the US"
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

Saying and Doing are two completely different things.

*edit* Another List - http://www.disaster-management.net/school_shoot.htm

Bodyhammer86 · 03-21-2005, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Seanland

Look At This and tell me how "this kind of thing isn't native to the US"

Your link also has school shootings in Scotland, Yemen, Canada, the Netherlands, Bosnia, Argentina, and Germany as well. Perhaps saying they weren't "native" to the US was a poor choice of words, maybe I should have stated that the US isn't the only country where school shootings are happening.

As for the saying and doing part, the link states that the police found gunpowder and other bomb making materials at their homes and had been practicing making them for some time. Obviously, they were prepared to back up what they were saying, but weren't able to carry it out however.

Seanland · 03-21-2005, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bodyhammer86

Your link also has school shootings in Scotland, Yemen, Canada, the Netherlands, Bosnia, Argentina, and Germany as well. Perhaps saying they weren't "native" to the US was a poor choice of words, maybe I should have stated that the US isn't the only country where school shootings are happening.

As for the saying and doing part, the link states that the police found gunpowder and other bomb making materials at their homes and had been practicing making them for some time. Obviously, they were prepared to back up what they were saying, but weren't able to carry it out however.

The point that I originally trying to make is that, its a larger problem in the States than anywhere else, maybe it was I who was misunderstood.

It's definately something American people are now fearing.
Is it safe to go to school in America?

It seems that the states are taking alot of precautionary measures to prevent things like these from happening. I've HEARD alot of schools in the states have security guards, cameras and metal detectors.. At My Highschool we had a Principal, actually 3.. that was it, the only thing that ever happened was a stabbing which didnt even happen at school it happened at after prom camping, and by stabbing I mean the guy was hit once, and the fight ended, no one was seriously injured. I mean, I feel safe at school, I'm not really worried about anything happening to me, Is that the same for American Students?

http://www.disaster-management.net/school_shoot.htm
"Canada, Alberta, Taber, W.R. Myers High School: first fatal High School shooting in the country in 20 years; 1 student was killed another one injured"

Destrox · 03-21-2005, 09:16 PM

While it is sad and all, but this is what first came to my mind:

T-Minus 5....4...3...2..1.... Blame passed onto movies, tv, games, and music. Not the parents, school, and morals.

omega2K4 · 03-21-2005, 09:36 PM

Wierd, I was listening to Pearl Jam - Jeremy all day long, then I read about this. This is some fucked up stuff, do they know anything about this kid's background? Like something that would have hinted that this could have happened.

Pacifier · 03-22-2005, 02:19 AM

Seattle Times is the Winner:

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Wiese was "a pretty bright kid, but he was lazy when it came to school. He missed a lot of school," a school source said. "He was big into video games."

A sophomore, he enjoyed Goth music such as that performed by Marilyn Manson.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...413_kid22.html

Video games and MM?! no wonder that this kis went nuts

03-22-2005, 02:20 AM

Why is it that young males who are obviously unhappy with their lives and want to commit suicide , like to take as many people with them as they can.

Why not just put the gun to your own head and leave everyone else alone , I dont care what problems he had in his life , he had no right to drag others down with him.

Selfish.

spindles · 03-22-2005, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by whocarz

Let's take bets on how long before people start calling for the banning of firearms.

I could start, but firearms are already banned in this country. Little wonder that there are no shootings in schools that I can recall.

I feel extremely sorry for the victims - so hopefully this thread won't become an pro / anti gun debate.

meembo · 03-22-2005, 06:22 AM

My initial impression is that this kid was affected by the loss of both of his parents and by a lonely existence in a very poor part of the US. I used to live in Minnesota and the Dakotas, and there is endemic, brutal poverty at many of the reservations there, especially the ones a long way from metro areas. I read in the paper this morning this 15 year-old's dad committed suicide, and his mother is in a nursing home 250 miles away with severe brain injuries from a car accident a few years ago. This sounds like a kid with a world of hurt just snapping.

meembo · 03-22-2005, 06:24 AM

I also read that the kid had two handguns and a shotgun, all of which are fairly common to have and see in the rural Midwest. It appears he got the guns at the home of his grandfather, who was a police officer of some kind. The kid killed the grandfather first.

kutulu · 03-22-2005, 09:35 AM

I'm sure Jack Thomspon is preparing a legal brief that names GTA: San Andreas and Marylin Manson as responsible parties as we speak.

Stompy · 03-22-2005, 01:14 PM

I wonder when other people are gonna learn to stop fucking with weaker people.

All other BS aside, it's kinda inevitable that it would turn out this way. You have kids that get picked on so much, someone somewhere is gonna fucking snap. Columbine took that first step in putting this idea into the minds of victims of bullying, and given the weak state of mind and utter sense of helplessness, we will be seeing a lot more of this.

It's actually the media's fault - not video games or Marilyn Manson. I don't even believe that parents are necessarily responsible for this. Each person has their own will, their own ability to make choices. If you have outside influences like bullies and other bullshit, it will affect that person in a unique way. I think it's kind of cliche to quickly blame parents instead of other kids that allow this shit to happen.

Not that something like this is GOOD but... if you're part of a group of people that constantly picks on someone and makes each and every day of their lives a living nightmare, better be prepared for a new outcome.

kiwi_damo · 03-22-2005, 07:07 PM

You've surely got to blame the gun laws?

If a kid gets pissed off with life here, there's not a lot s/he can do to harm others. In the US it seems too easy to get Dad's gun and find someone who made your life miserable.

Seanland · 03-22-2005, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_damo

You've surely got to blame the gun laws?

If a kid gets pissed off with life here, there's not a lot s/he can do to harm others. In the US it seems too easy to get Dad's gun and find someone who made your life miserable.

But if you did that, it would be against the American Constitution, and you can't break the constitution.. maybe it should be amended... but if it were amended hell, probably be in a worse situation than now

Think of all the uprising... I can see it now... American Civil War II.. North vs. South All over again....

Blackthorn · 03-22-2005, 07:13 PM

Sadly this will not be the last time something like this happens.

Seanland · 03-22-2005, 07:54 PM

Update: Seems that there are 9 Dead now.. and I quote "Jeff Weise, the 16-year-old shootings suspect, apparently visited a neo-Nazi Web site."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/22/sch...ing/index.html

I Guess the Nazis are to blame on this one! *sarcasm*

guthmund · 03-22-2005, 09:10 PM

Yeah, they were reading some of the comments he made on a Nazi forum he frequented. Most were pretty unremarkable, but they kept repeating them ad nauseum using that stupid reporter/newscaster inflection.

I guess they were just tired of doing stories about heavy metal and violent video games; itching for a reason to pull out old stock footage of Hitler.

Bodyhammer86 · 03-22-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_damo

You've surely got to blame the gun laws?

If a kid gets pissed off with life here, there's not a lot s/he can do to harm others. In the US it seems too easy to get Dad's gun and find someone who made your life miserable.

Yep, strict gun laws sure stopped the shooter at Dunblane from getting guns and killing 17 people and wounding 10 others

MSD · 03-22-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Seanland

Look At This and tell me how "this kind of thing isn't native to the US"
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

Saying and Doing are two completely different things.

*edit* Another List - http://www.disaster-management.net/school_shoot.htm

Compare the population of the US to a lot of other countries and you'll find that because there are so many more people here than other countries, and the country itself is larger, anything that involves people or happens ar a random geographic point is more likelt to happen here than a lot of other countries.

My opinions on gun control and gun ownership are well known, so I will not discuss that aspect of this. No matter how people die, a violent death is a tragedy, and we need to consider the reasons that one one hand, conditions that lead to violent outbursts are so often ignored, and on the other, people are illogically punished for trivial technicalities under zero-tolerance rules and these situations still arise.

muttonglutton · 03-22-2005, 09:41 PM

This makes me sick. Just like every other school shooting. Why does your country still allow guns to be carried in public? Why are kids getting a hold of them? Why do kids even have reasons to do this kind of crap?

Where did our sanity go?

Seanland · 03-22-2005, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct

Compare the population of the US to a lot of other countries and you'll find that because there are so many more people here than other countries, and the country itself is larger, anything that involves people or happens ar a random geographic point is more likelt to happen here than a lot of other countries.

I've compared the population as a factor, it still doesnt make a difference...
Murder Rate For 2003: Canada 1.73 per 100,000 people, The United States 5.69 per 100,000... Japan and Scotland Have the lowest murder rate I might add.. at >1 per 100,000 people. So Even based on population Americans have problems with killing each other
(http://pej.org/html/modules.php?op=m...rticle&sid=720)

Japan having the 2nd Largest economy also has 127,897,918 (http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/informat...=JA&NAME=Japan) people, next to The States doesn't have a homicide problem, The States bordering neighbour to the north, also does not have the problem..

So I think population can be rule out as a problem

Seanland · 03-22-2005, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by muttonglutton

This makes me sick. Just like every other school shooting. Why does your country still allow guns to be carried in public? Why are kids getting a hold of them? Why do kids even have reasons to do this kind of crap?

Where did our sanity go?

Left at the 2nd Amendment, with giving humans the right to bears arms... thats where I see it.

analog · 03-22-2005, 10:26 PM

Violence and random occurences happen as they will, this sort of thing no longer shocks me at all. There will be comparisons made to Columbine, there will be an outcry for gun control again, schools will batten down once more for a while, and everyone will work their collective metaphorical panties into a twist...

and then all will settle down in about a week or two... only to be drudged up over and over for the next year.

03-21-2005, 05:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	Am I a bad person because the first thing that popped in my head was a new michael moore movie entitled something like.....snowshoeing for redlake? __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

03-21-2005, 05:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	I also feel....that somehow....this is once again going to somehow put native americans in the negative spotlight. Or the police..IE=how did he get his grandfathers service piece. __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

03-21-2005, 05:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
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03-21-2005, 07:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
Sweetpea Fade out Location: in love	This is truly sad. Let us all take a moment of silence for such deaths. my heart goes out to all those who died and are being affected by it. Where the social/mental/physical/emotional disconnect happened for this young individual i would like to know and i am sure it will come out fairly soon here . . . __________________ Having a Pet Will Change Your Life! Looking for a great pet?! Click Here! "I am the Type of Person Who Can Get Away With A lot, Simply Because I Don't Ask Permission for the Privilege of Being Myself"

03-21-2005, 07:50 PM	#15 (permalink)
MH73 Upright	... ... So sad... Unfortunate too, since the grandfather should have known, as a former officer, how to secure a weapon. There were obviously problems with this kid's environment, sucks that innocents had to suffer as well...

03-21-2005, 05:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
Coppertop Getting Medieval on your ass Location: 13th century Europe	Here we go again...

03-21-2005, 05:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
Coppertop Getting Medieval on your ass Location: 13th century Europe	No, you're not a bad person. It's inevitable that the two schools will be compared. And that goes for all things associated with them as well.

03-21-2005, 07:53 PM	#16 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	This isn't a proper article without a blame on videogames! I demand the article to be re-written in the form of videogame bashing. In all seriousity (my personal word), that is terrible. I can't imagine what the people who know the students that are wounded or dead are feeling right now. -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

03-21-2005, 08:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
Minorci Tilted Location: Canberra	For once i am glad that Australia has the enforced gun laws here, sorry to those who are affected by this, its a terrible thing to happen.

03-21-2005, 09:16 PM	#21 (permalink)
Destrox Metal and Rock 4 Life Location: Phoenix	While it is sad and all, but this is what first came to my mind: T-Minus 5....4...3...2..1.... Blame passed onto movies, tv, games, and music. Not the parents, school, and morals. __________________ You bore me.... next.

03-21-2005, 09:36 PM	#22 (permalink)
omega2K4 Natalie Portman is sexy. Location: The Outer Rim	Wierd, I was listening to Pearl Jam - Jeremy all day long, then I read about this. This is some fucked up stuff, do they know anything about this kid's background? Like something that would have hinted that this could have happened. __________________ "While the State exists there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there will be no State." - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin "Reason has always existed, but not always in a reasonable form."- Karl Marx

03-22-2005, 02:20 AM	#24 (permalink)
Lin Guest	Why is it that young males who are obviously unhappy with their lives and want to commit suicide , like to take as many people with them as they can. Why not just put the gun to your own head and leave everyone else alone , I dont care what problems he had in his life , he had no right to drag others down with him. Selfish.

03-22-2005, 06:22 AM	#26 (permalink)
meembo Junkie Location: Connecticut	My initial impression is that this kid was affected by the loss of both of his parents and by a lonely existence in a very poor part of the US. I used to live in Minnesota and the Dakotas, and there is endemic, brutal poverty at many of the reservations there, especially the ones a long way from metro areas. I read in the paper this morning this 15 year-old's dad committed suicide, and his mother is in a nursing home 250 miles away with severe brain injuries from a car accident a few years ago. This sounds like a kid with a world of hurt just snapping. __________________ less I say, smarter I am

03-22-2005, 06:24 AM	#27 (permalink)
meembo Junkie Location: Connecticut	I also read that the kid had two handguns and a shotgun, all of which are fairly common to have and see in the rural Midwest. It appears he got the guns at the home of his grandfather, who was a police officer of some kind. The kid killed the grandfather first. __________________ less I say, smarter I am

03-22-2005, 09:35 AM	#28 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	I'm sure Jack Thomspon is preparing a legal brief that names GTA: San Andreas and Marylin Manson as responsible parties as we speak.

03-22-2005, 01:14 PM	#29 (permalink)
Stompy Banned from being Banned Location: Donkey	I wonder when other people are gonna learn to stop fucking with weaker people. All other BS aside, it's kinda inevitable that it would turn out this way. You have kids that get picked on so much, someone somewhere is gonna fucking snap. Columbine took that first step in putting this idea into the minds of victims of bullying, and given the weak state of mind and utter sense of helplessness, we will be seeing a lot more of this. It's actually the media's fault - not video games or Marilyn Manson. I don't even believe that parents are necessarily responsible for this. Each person has their own will, their own ability to make choices. If you have outside influences like bullies and other bullshit, it will affect that person in a unique way. I think it's kind of cliche to quickly blame parents instead of other kids that allow this shit to happen. Not that something like this is GOOD but... if you're part of a group of people that constantly picks on someone and makes each and every day of their lives a living nightmare, better be prepared for a new outcome. __________________ I love lamp.

03-22-2005, 07:07 PM	#30 (permalink)
kiwi_damo Upright Location: Auckland, New Zealand	You've surely got to blame the gun laws? If a kid gets pissed off with life here, there's not a lot s/he can do to harm others. In the US it seems too easy to get Dad's gun and find someone who made your life miserable.

03-22-2005, 07:13 PM	#32 (permalink)
Blackthorn Beware the Mad Irish Location: Wish I was on the N17...	Sadly this will not be the last time something like this happens. __________________ What are you willing to give up in order to get what you want?

03-22-2005, 07:54 PM	#33 (permalink)
Seanland Psycho Location: Ontario, Canada	Update: Seems that there are 9 Dead now.. and I quote "Jeff Weise, the 16-year-old shootings suspect, apparently visited a neo-Nazi Web site." http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/22/sch...ing/index.html I Guess the Nazis are to blame on this one! sarcasm

03-22-2005, 09:10 PM	#34 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	Yeah, they were reading some of the comments he made on a Nazi forum he frequented. Most were pretty unremarkable, but they kept repeating them ad nauseum using that stupid reporter/newscaster inflection. I guess they were just tired of doing stories about heavy metal and violent video games; itching for a reason to pull out old stock footage of Hitler. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.

03-22-2005, 09:41 PM	#37 (permalink)
muttonglutton Crazy Location: K-W. Err... -dot.	This makes me sick. Just like every other school shooting. Why does your country still allow guns to be carried in public? Why are kids getting a hold of them? Why do kids even have reasons to do this kind of crap? Where did our sanity go? __________________ Cellar Door.

03-22-2005, 10:26 PM	#40 (permalink)
analog Banned	Violence and random occurences happen as they will, this sort of thing no longer shocks me at all. There will be comparisons made to Columbine, there will be an outcry for gun control again, schools will batten down once more for a while, and everyone will work their collective metaphorical panties into a twist... and then all will settle down in about a week or two... only to be drudged up over and over for the next year.