Another School shooting
 

I really dont know what to say about this right now, since there are no real details....but I wanted to post the story. Does anyone in the area have any other details that CNN hasnt posted yet?

Here we go again...

Am I a bad person because the first thing that popped in my head was a new michael moore movie entitled something like.....snowshoeing for redlake?

Apparently the high school is located on the Red Lake Indian Reservation close to the Canadian border.

I see Michael Moore also.......

No, you're not a bad person. It's inevitable that the two schools will be compared. And that goes for all things associated with them as well.

Actually my first thought was: what will they blame this time?
Did he see to many Westerns? Is Mario making our kids violent?

It seems that with many such incidents violent movies / TV shows or video games are blamed.

My second thought went out to the families involved... It's going to be difficult to get over such an event.

I also feel....that somehow....this is once again going to somehow put native americans in the negative spotlight. Or the police..IE=how did he get his grandfathers service piece.

Let's take bets on how long before people start calling for the banning of firearms.

You aren't the only one comparing this to Columbine etc...

Are you implying something when you say close to the Canadian Border?
Cause I don't know up here, we don't have problems like that. Thats something that really baffled me, why people just south of us have problems like this, I think as long as I can remember I've heard of one school shooting here and it was accidental (Gang Fight Gone Wrong) which was like 8 years ago.. I don't get it....
What is the big difference??
If someone can answer me this, I'm sure alot of these problems can be solved or prevented.

I guess not.
From the National Post:
http://www.canada.com/national/natio...9-3ada842d84bc
Sorry but this kind of thing isn't native to the US. Sure, this one was stopped in advance, but if it were really well in advance, there wouldn't even be a threat of it, period.

/end threadjack

This is truly sad. Let us all take a moment of silence for such deaths.

my heart goes out to all those who died and are being affected by it.

Where the social/mental/physical/emotional disconnect happened for this young individual i would like to know and i am sure it will come out fairly soon here . . . :|

Yes, I'm implying that the geographic location is in northern Minnesota close to the Canadian border, nothing more. :)

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... So sad...

Unfortunate too, since the grandfather should have known, as a former officer, how to secure a weapon.

There were obviously problems with this kid's environment, sucks that innocents had to suffer as well...

This isn't a proper article without a blame on videogames! I demand the article to be re-written in the form of videogame bashing.

In all seriousity (my personal word), that is terrible. I can't imagine what the people who know the students that are wounded or dead are feeling right now.

-Lasereth

For once i am glad that Australia has the enforced gun laws here, sorry to those who are affected by this, its a terrible thing to happen.

Look At This and tell me how "this kind of thing isn't native to the US"
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

Saying and Doing are two completely different things.

*edit* Another List - http://www.disaster-management.net/school_shoot.htm

Your link also has school shootings in Scotland, Yemen, Canada, the Netherlands, Bosnia, Argentina, and Germany as well. Perhaps saying they weren't "native" to the US was a poor choice of words, maybe I should have stated that the US isn't the only country where school shootings are happening.

As for the saying and doing part, the link states that the police found gunpowder and other bomb making materials at their homes and had been practicing making them for some time. Obviously, they were prepared to back up what they were saying, but weren't able to carry it out however.

The point that I originally trying to make is that, its a larger problem in the States than anywhere else, maybe it was I who was misunderstood.

It's definately something American people are now fearing.
Is it safe to go to school in America?

It seems that the states are taking alot of precautionary measures to prevent things like these from happening. I've HEARD alot of schools in the states have security guards, cameras and metal detectors.. At My Highschool we had a Principal, actually 3.. that was it, the only thing that ever happened was a stabbing which didnt even happen at school it happened at after prom camping, and by stabbing I mean the guy was hit once, and the fight ended, no one was seriously injured. I mean, I feel safe at school, I'm not really worried about anything happening to me, Is that the same for American Students?

http://www.disaster-management.net/school_shoot.htm
"Canada, Alberta, Taber, W.R. Myers High School: first fatal High School shooting in the country in 20 years; 1 student was killed another one injured"

While it is sad and all, but this is what first came to my mind:

T-Minus 5....4...3...2..1.... Blame passed onto movies, tv, games, and music. Not the parents, school, and morals.

Wierd, I was listening to Pearl Jam - Jeremy all day long, then I read about this. This is some fucked up stuff, do they know anything about this kid's background? Like something that would have hinted that this could have happened.

Seattle Times is the Winner:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...413_kid22.html

Video games and MM?! no wonder that this kis went nuts :rolleyes:

Why is it that young males who are obviously unhappy with their lives and want to commit suicide , like to take as many people with them as they can.

Why not just put the gun to your own head and leave everyone else alone , I dont care what problems he had in his life , he had no right to drag others down with him.

Selfish.

I could start, but firearms are already banned in this country. Little wonder that there are no shootings in schools that I can recall.

I feel extremely sorry for the victims - so hopefully this thread won't become an pro / anti gun debate.

My initial impression is that this kid was affected by the loss of both of his parents and by a lonely existence in a very poor part of the US. I used to live in Minnesota and the Dakotas, and there is endemic, brutal poverty at many of the reservations there, especially the ones a long way from metro areas. I read in the paper this morning this 15 year-old's dad committed suicide, and his mother is in a nursing home 250 miles away with severe brain injuries from a car accident a few years ago. This sounds like a kid with a world of hurt just snapping.

I also read that the kid had two handguns and a shotgun, all of which are fairly common to have and see in the rural Midwest. It appears he got the guns at the home of his grandfather, who was a police officer of some kind. The kid killed the grandfather first.

I'm sure Jack Thomspon is preparing a legal brief that names GTA: San Andreas and Marylin Manson as responsible parties as we speak.

I wonder when other people are gonna learn to stop fucking with weaker people.

All other BS aside, it's kinda inevitable that it would turn out this way. You have kids that get picked on so much, someone somewhere is gonna fucking snap. Columbine took that first step in putting this idea into the minds of victims of bullying, and given the weak state of mind and utter sense of helplessness, we will be seeing a lot more of this.

It's actually the media's fault - not video games or Marilyn Manson. I don't even believe that parents are necessarily responsible for this. Each person has their own will, their own ability to make choices. If you have outside influences like bullies and other bullshit, it will affect that person in a unique way. I think it's kind of cliche to quickly blame parents instead of other kids that allow this shit to happen.

Not that something like this is GOOD but... if you're part of a group of people that constantly picks on someone and makes each and every day of their lives a living nightmare, better be prepared for a new outcome.

You've surely got to blame the gun laws?

If a kid gets pissed off with life here, there's not a lot s/he can do to harm others. In the US it seems too easy to get Dad's gun and find someone who made your life miserable.

But if you did that, it would be against the American Constitution, and you can't break the constitution.. maybe it should be amended... but if it were amended hell, probably be in a worse situation than now

Think of all the uprising... I can see it now... American Civil War II.. North vs. South All over again....

Sadly this will not be the last time something like this happens. :(

Update: Seems that there are 9 Dead now.. and I quote "Jeff Weise, the 16-year-old shootings suspect, apparently visited a neo-Nazi Web site."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/22/sch...ing/index.html

I Guess the Nazis are to blame on this one! *sarcasm*

Yeah, they were reading some of the comments he made on a Nazi forum he frequented. Most were pretty unremarkable, but they kept repeating them ad nauseum using that stupid reporter/newscaster inflection.

I guess they were just tired of doing stories about heavy metal and violent video games; itching for a reason to pull out old stock footage of Hitler.

Yep, strict gun laws sure stopped the shooter at Dunblane from getting guns and killing 17 people and wounding 10 others :rolleyes:

Compare the population of the US to a lot of other countries and you'll find that because there are so many more people here than other countries, and the country itself is larger, anything that involves people or happens ar a random geographic point is more likelt to happen here than a lot of other countries.

My opinions on gun control and gun ownership are well known, so I will not discuss that aspect of this. No matter how people die, a violent death is a tragedy, and we need to consider the reasons that one one hand, conditions that lead to violent outbursts are so often ignored, and on the other, people are illogically punished for trivial technicalities under zero-tolerance rules and these situations still arise.

This makes me sick. Just like every other school shooting. Why does your country still allow guns to be carried in public? Why are kids getting a hold of them? Why do kids even have reasons to do this kind of crap?

Where did our sanity go?

I've compared the population as a factor, it still doesnt make a difference...
Murder Rate For 2003: Canada 1.73 per 100,000 people, The United States 5.69 per 100,000... Japan and Scotland Have the lowest murder rate I might add.. at >1 per 100,000 people. So Even based on population Americans have problems with killing each other
(http://pej.org/html/modules.php?op=m...rticle&sid=720)

Japan having the 2nd Largest economy also has 127,897,918 (http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/informat...=JA&NAME=Japan) people, next to The States doesn't have a homicide problem, The States bordering neighbour to the north, also does not have the problem..

So I think population can be rule out as a problem

Left at the 2nd Amendment, with giving humans the right to bears arms... thats where I see it.

Violence and random occurences happen as they will, this sort of thing no longer shocks me at all. There will be comparisons made to Columbine, there will be an outcry for gun control again, schools will batten down once more for a while, and everyone will work their collective metaphorical panties into a twist...

and then all will settle down in about a week or two... only to be drudged up over and over for the next year.