If we play dead maybe the bear won't hurt us!

Actually, there was no comment made. he was talking on his cell to his girl. and it was a conversation between him and her, this bitch just eavesdropped, and escalated it.

If I was there, I woulda' gotten my ass beat too, because I woulda' smacked the shit out of that loud ass bitch as soon as she poked me in the face.

I'll let you people live in a fairy tail where the righteous don't get their ass kicked when they can't back their mouth up. Moral superiority doesn't do squat for staying alive and in one piece.

The people standing around watching just make me feel miserable to be a human.

Hmm, there is a lot of unreasonable agression exhibited here. There also seems to folk who are seemingly attempting to balance it out with fuzzy logic. Should we try to see the attacker's side of things? Is it really your business? Does it really justify using such force? I'd kill that mo-fo! I would kill him dead! I'd shoot him! Arg, can't let any transgression slide, cause that's reasonable!

If someone is getting a severe and unwarranted beating, who isn't conspicuously enjoying himself, and I know these things, I go to the aid of that fellow if I am able. In that situation I probably would've taken the big guy down. If I saw two guys slugging it out in the parking lot of Wal-mart I'd probably let them go at it, they are after all both interested in dealing out the hurt.

I have a short temper for things like this so I probably would have said something and started knocking him with my shoes... normally I have pretty heavy shoes or pointy heeled shoes. I also think some people are awfully ethnocentric because they feel we as a society owe them something. Ive started shouting matches before because people cut in front of me. Its pretty rude and Ill politely say something....but most of the time its met with some smart ass comment which gets me going. I could I couldnt have done anything to the man but his girlfriend on the other hand.... Id have used my shoes against her

society is going to hell in a handbasket..........

This whole scenario makes me ill. I can see being afraid to stand up to a huge angry man, but no one is sayoing 'there's a situation here, call 911,' or anything. No one even turns to look at him after the attacker vacates. No one locks the door to prevent him from re-entering. No one goes to help the injured man.

Does noone think for themselves anymore? I pray none of those people ever need someone to intervene on their behalf.

What a sad world this is.

If we had been in his shoes
 

Which of us would have gotten out of there unharmed? What do you honestly and truly believe? The guy who stayed and argued and touched the bitch? Or the guy who walked out the door after being slapped thereby avoiding the rest of the confrontation because the bitch thinks she has won when she has actually narrowly avoided getting her boyfriend shot.

I'll take the second option thank you.

kel,

If you can tell me that if you were that guy getting the shit kicked out of him and you had a gun and you would have taken the beating instead of using it, then I'll buy what you said.

again: he was talking on the phone to his girl. he did not shoot his mouth off. ergo nothing to back up. the bitch eavesdropped and escalated.

I didn't say wait to take the beating. Unless you consider being biatch slapped by a pissy woman a beating and I know you don't. I said leave when someone starts slapping and swallow my pride instead of escalating. I don't need to know someone has a big scary man waiting in the wings to know it is in my best interest to avoid a fight. I always swallow my pride when I have nothing to lose and much to gain. What does that man have to gain by fighting with a woman like that? A cell phone conversation? A slice of pizza? These things are worth getting physical with a stupid woman? How mature is that? Oh wait... it's the "principle" of the thing isn't it. You just tell that to the jury when you are "forced" to defend yourself.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

Maybe you missed the part where he was yelling at her instead of ignoring her... or even better when he was grabbing her. Or maybe when he started yelling back at her boyfriend instead of making a bullshit apology and offering to buy them both a slice of pizza while dialing 911... Yeah sure... he didn't participate in the escalation at all. Some people are true Darwin candidates.

Everyone in this thread seems to be in the "it's not his fault he got beat" camp or the "he shoulda murdelated him" camp. What no one wants to see is what happens when a mature individual swallows their pride. It's too unamerican I guess.

As you said, please don't put words in my mouth.

And I think you watched a different video than I did.

What I saw was a guy that was minding his own business who didn't say anything to the woman and a woman who then started in the guys face. Within seconds she had her boyfriend attack him. Not a hell of a lot time to "disengage".

No one I know who has a concealed carry would pull it for "the principle of the thing". It is a matter of life and death when you pull a gun and from what I saw, this guy would have been completely justified.

Cellphone man even tried to make it out the door, but Professionalwrestler Man grabbed him by the neck of his shirt and pulled him right back in. You could hardly say that Cellphone Man wasn't acting in his own self interest. Jesus, I know if ProWrestler Man was taking swings at me I'd do everything I possibly could do get the hell out of the pizza parlor and to the nearest hand grenade.

Edit: Hey I'm insane now, I can do these kinds of things. Woooo!

Ok i was wrong that he would have got minimal time with a clean record, I still think 4 years is too much.
The way i see the video, He didn't back down from the confratation, he was in her face just as much as she was in his..And that big fucker didn't like it.

I am under the assumption that she cut in front of him and he said something that pissed her off, But then some previous posters have said he said nothing, Including yourself. I find it hard to believe that he's standing there and she comes up and smacks him in the back of the head for no reason, Even before she smacks his head she's freaking on the manager pointing in the victims direction, So i'm thinking something was said or done that really pissed her off & obviously the big guy too.

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From what i can find those are the injury's he suffered, I wouldn't call those injuries life threatening..The busted eye socket & concussion are worst injuries. If that big guy wanted to kill him, he would have & could have without a doubt. Nobody was stepping in, Nobody called the police, Everybody either ignored it or watched it. So he could have done more if he wanted, As soon as the victim hit the floor he let off of him.

I see a video where he had enough time to leave and avoid the situation way before that big guy even came into the picture (No Pun).

I'm not defending anybody, i'm just tellin how i see it.

I didn't say he didn't say anything, I said he could've called them both stupid porch monkies and it wouldn't be legal justification for what happened to him.

He should have faked a siezure, the big guy wouldn't beat up a guy on the ground convulsing...am I right? Maybe then someone would have called the police :lol:

Sorry, I miss read what you posted above.

No it wouldn't be legal justification but if you were to call a black person a porch monkie they aren't gonna be very nice about it..If that was the case, I wouldn't have any sympathy for him.

I know she made a racial slur towards the victim..I am just unclear on what the victims remark was that he made on his phone that made her fly off the handle, I know he said something about the pizza is gonna be abit longer or something..But i find it hard to believe him saying that led to what happened.

All I can say is
A broken nose - when the bone is broken properly and shoved forward and up it can be used to kill a person. The thug didn't care that it was a risk he was taking.
A concussion - I've personally experience that and I've seen what it can do to a person. I've seen it kill a person and I've seen it affect a person's entire remaining life by the scar tissue that it leaves in the brain.

I don't care what ended up being the outcome. The injuries imposed on the cell phone guy were sufficient in type that had the severity been worse it could have killed him. The boyfriend wasn't intending to just hit lightly to avoid killing the guy. It happened that the cell phone guy made it out without being hospitalized for weeks but that was only his good luck.

The woman is the primary person responsible for beginning the episode. Her rudeness and beligerant attitude are inexcuseable. What kind of parent can she be with those type of social skills. She's bred 5 children to raise as socially inept. I must thank her for her gift to society.

The boyfriend is completely responsible for the so called fight. I don't care if someone has been rude to your girlfriend or what they've said. If they're not attacking your girl then leave them alone. His attack shows a lack of intelligence, emotional instability, and a complete lack of social skills. He will repeat his actions soon after his release from jail unless he learns to act like an responsible adult. I don't see him learning that any time soon if it's taken him 28 years to learn this. I hope that then next time someone is available who has the forsight to carry Darwin's Mutant Eliminator and I hope I'm on the jury to prevent them from getting in trouble for shooting this man.

Finally, somebody who agrees with me.

Again.... He was a real big man to get in a shouting match with the bitch and then cowers when her boyfriend shows up. The two guys were 6'4, 320 vs. 6'2 225. There are plenty of guys, plenty on TFP too, that would consider this a fair fight. That big guy was fat. A couple of well placed blows by a guy with some balls would have made this a whole different story. Or just put your hands up and say 'Sorry man, I didn't say that, or 'I didn't mean it'. The absolute worst thing you can do is look down and away. I agree with the injuries too, the follow-up story posted earlier said he had a broken nose and a chipped tooth. You can do that falling off the curb. I would like to think that if, while defending my wife's honor, I hit a guy and broke his nose I wouldn't be doing four years in the state pen.

And, always, JMHO.

The only reason why this video is so disturbing to some, is because it's on video showing everything that happened..If people just read this in a newspaper it would be like any other "fight" that happens numerous times a day.

I honestly think that if the victim didn't take his attention off of the big guy..The outcome would have been alot different..they were both big guys, And the victim (If he was paying attention) probably could have done some damage to the other guy..The first blow he took sent him staggering. There is a big difference in getting punched when you expect it and when your not expecting it.

It's like an open ice bodycheck, You got your head down flying through centre ice and get hit..Your slow getting up or not getting up at all for a few, If you see it coming you can better prepare for the impact or even avoid it.

You know, the victim didn't say anything to the girl, sorry, bitch, until she got in his face. he was having a conversation on the phone withhis girl. The instigator took it upon herself to escalate the situation. I don't think that there is any defense for the attack whatsoever. I agree with the open ice body check analogy too. first he tried to avoid the confrontation and then got suckerpunched .

the punishment dished out to these animals is justifiable, and maybe not enough. as for the animal woman wanting the whole thing put behind her. tough. I'm glad it's in the public eye now.

I would like to believe that he said nothing to her, But before she was in his face she was screaming at the manager pointing at the victim..So if he was just standing thier minding his buisness, Why was the girl freaking out pointing at him?

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If you listen closely, You can hear the girl saying to the manager "Listen to what the fuck he's sayin"

IC3, I believe she was referring to his "pizza will be late" comment. He WAS minding his own business having a conversation that she had no right to interfere with, she was freaking out simply because she's an angry beast that blew one small, probably sarcastic comment out of proportion.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7013612/

this incident took place last July, but the tape is just now being released. The guy (and his girlfriend as well, i think) got 4 years in prison.
...personally, i would've sued.
for a rediculously giganormous amount of money.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7013612/

ya i'm pretty sure he said nothing to her, she just flipped. quote from the link above:

The incident began when Jones' girlfriend cut in line in front of Scarpino.

Scarpino was on his cell phone and told his fiance it might take a little longer to get their pizza.

Jones' girlfriend got mad at the comment and created such a commotion that the manager tried to kick her out.


so again, he did nothing to provoke this. this Woman (I apologize to all women out there to have be grouped with her) took it upon herself to be the centre of the universe and aim her pit bull, um, neanderthal (oh damn, the neanderthals were a nice species...) her weapon, at the victim...

Thanks for the link.

I was never saying that he deserved what he got, I was just going by what some of the others posted and wanted to read it from a news article to be sure of the comment he made about her cutting infront.

She flipped out over a small comment, Got in his his face, They exchanged whatever words in eachothers face and fat ass stepped in.

The thing that bugs me most about this video is the victim putting his head down within seconds after that beast stepped in front of him.

You have a 6'4 300 pound guy that is obviously not there to shake your hand, Do you put your head down and continue your conversation on your cell?

Something like that could never be justified i agree totally with that, But it also could have been avoided.

there was no avoiding this. the aggressor was going to hit no matter what. It was just a matter of having justification, or not.

The above quote from DDDDave is exactly why I don't understand, agree with, or like cops. I mean no offense, but I can't help but feel a bit shocked and annoyed at the fragment of the post above. So many police officers seem so wrapped up in what gives them a paycheck that they forget what it's like to be a regular person on the streets...You, DDDDave, seem to have forgotten and you're only married to the law. Also, are you suffering from the same issues that the other members of TFP seem to be, which is the inability to read further than the first or second line??

The victim suffered a eye-socket damage and a concussion, as well as other injuries. He was minding his own business until the lady began to run her mouth, to which any person would have gotten annoyed, naturally. For the boyfriend to step in and proceed to beat him is WRONG. The victim never once raised a hand to either of those people, NOR did he even try to protect himself - which is a good tell-tale sign that he was taken off-guard by the attack.

Whether or not the attacker punched the victim like a real man, slapped him like a pansy, lifted him up and hit him or stomp on him with his boot is immaterial...the fact that the victim was hit, how many times and where on his body, and that he hadn't done anything that really warranted an attack that serious in harm- really does matter.

You know, Docbungle, thinking of this...I can see it happening. There are some brave guys out there. One of the first things I thought of was that if she was to put her hand in my face I would have pushed it away and smacked her as hard as possible...However, so many people see this as a BIG no-no in the way of disrespecting women that (most) men are raised that you do not do this...if he had, I don't know that all who witnessed the situation or have read this post/article would be AS empathetic to the victim and his suffering...

Although, I think, in this matter, her getting her mouth smacked like her momma did back in the day would have TOTALLY been appropriate!

I think the primary function of law enforcement is not to protect individuals but to show up after the crime has been committed and investigate and write reports. I guess the statement made earlier that most officers will wait for a fight (beating) to end before interfering should not surprise us. The obligation for personal protection is the burden of the individual.

Man...thats messed up... Not only that nobody stepped in, but nobody did ANYTHING!!! Not a 911 call, didn't step in to help at all. You really do have to wonder what is wrong with society. I guess I live in a ''backward'' area, but at leadt people will stop to help.

Defending your wife's honour? Fair fight? "Worst thing you can do is look down and away?" Sadly, I think this is what's wrong with society, today. That these values exist and are worth serious bodily harm over.

If you can't function in a civilized society, you should be removed from society (and that means prison)...

What the hell else is he going to do besides going around beating people up? This makes no sense to me...

So, if it turns out that he really didn't say anything other than the pizza will be a little longer, will you then understand why people think they should be thrown in jail for as long as the law allows for the safetly of the public?

The Akron Journal
"Scarpino, 6-foot-2 and 220 pounds, suffered a broken nose, a chipped tooth and a concussion."

I swear, where do you people live. In fantasyland?. There are plenty of civiized societies around the world where you get your hand cut off for stealing and put to death for smoking pot. People have been hitting other people with their hands since about, oh...freakin' Cain and Abel.

Why is everyone so quick to defend the victim here. Because you see him as yourself? Oh, I wouldn't want to hit someone.
He made some kind of smartass remark.. He figured nothing would happen. " Sorry honey, I think the pizza will be a little delayed" could as easily have been "Some fuckin' black bitch just fuckin' cut the line , simple bitch". He sure wouldn't have said that if the big guy had been with her when she walked in.

"No offense", but when you grow up and see how the world works you might change your mind about self-defense.

You and your girl are standing in line at Disney World. One of those back and forth cattle stall lines. Some loud asshole is behind you. As you move through the line, the jerk takes the opportunity to brush up against your girl and cops a feel. She says 'That guy just groped me'. You say 'Really, wow, what an asshole'. Since you seemed so upset, he does it again 5 minutes later. Now your girl glares at you. 'He did it again'. Whatca' gonna do now? Depends on what you want to happen I guess. You could just get out of the line you've waited in for half an hour. You could just continue to stand in line and if you're lucky he'll get in the same car as you and your girl. Or, you grab him by the collar, lift it up, look him straight in the eye, and say in a calm voice with your other arm cocked, "If you touch my girl again, I'm going to punch you in the face". He says 'sorry, man, I didn't mean it'. You say nothing while looking him in the eye.......then you let go of his shirt. Now, I would advise not taking your eyes off him for the rest of the line but I can assure you, you would have no more trouble from him. Oh, BTW, BTDT.

Well, perhaps we're working off of different meanings of civility because, by definition, a civilized society does not cut off hands nor do they execute for acts done to one's self. So what if violence has been around since Cain and Abel? Does that mean we must continue to be violent to each other? This makes no sense...

I live in Canada, which must be fantasyland compared to where you live because it's civilized in the manner of which I speak...

Let me apply your own theory to you. Why are you so quick to justify what happened to the victim? Do you identify with the assailant?

I'm very curious as to why you would quote "no offense" in your sentence. Are you trying to say that that quoted text is sarcastic and that you intend to offend?

I think most people will agree that no words can harm anyone so how can they escalate into physical violence? Is there anything I can say to you that could justify you beating me up?

Out of wild curiosity, what do you think would have been a fair sentence for the criminal?

Um.

1. People have committed rape since the beginning of time- so I guess that's ok too, since people have been doing it for so long. Why are we thinking about these "victims"? It's a crazy world, shit happens. /sarcasm


2. The actual, innocuos comment can in no even semi-reasonable way be related or compared to the bullshit you've concocted ("Some fuckin' black bitch just fuckin' cut the line , simple bitch") to be "as easily have been". They are TOTAL opposite ends of the spectrum.

3. As for your Disney story, I'd have said something after the first touch. "Hi. I understand you touched my girlfriend. Do it again, and you lose the hand." I don't care HOW big the guy is (and i'm not huge myself, there are plenty of guys who are larger than I me). People that horrible need to be taught a lesson by society every once in a while, or they're just going to keep doing it. If he wants to fight, I'll be happy to defer a victory to him and let there be peace. I'll vacate and let him have his precious line. If he tries anything, then it's on.

Sidenote: Why would anyone in the victim's shoes not be looking out for a sucker-punch with all the yelling and stuff going on? I'm just saying.

Same goes for big boy in the story. Now he can get ass-raped in jail for another 4 years because he's a fuckin' moron. Everyone pays their dues at one time or another.

well, firstly the guy isnt going to be ass raped, I wouldnt have thought. And its is confusing how you go from in your first point using rape as example of abhorent behaviour that should not be tolerated (which I would agree with), to at the end of the post seeming to express the hope that a person is the victim of rape, because this is a fitting punishment for comitting assault. Morally, I dont really see where this is coming from.

From my own point of view, and I am being honest, my instinct would be to stay out of it unless I was being threatened or someone connected to me was... there might be a point I would step in... but in this situation... the guy is clearly going nuts, so reasoning with him isnt going to work... if you were to intervene, logically it would not be sensible to do so with anything other than maximum violence with no warning whatsoever. If you try to clam the guy down he'd hit you too, and he's biger than you... so really if you wanted to step in, the only sensible thing would be to take something hard and blunt, and blind side the attacker and hit him as hard as possible... but at the point do you become as bad as the attacker? If you meet violence with violence... well, sometimes you might have to, but the violence can be just as ugly and brutal from either side.