You know, its really easy to say, "I woulda done something," but it is another matter entirely when you are right there. Sometimes, crazy stuff happens and people aren't prepared to deal with it. THe whole thing might last 25 seconds, but they spend 30 seconds saying, "Holy shit, I better do something." And every time the guy throws a punch, they think, "Well, its over now."

I was once with a group of friends (one of whom was a fairly bad-ass black-belt who later became a SEAL) when a simar thing happened. We were standing around drinking and acting stupid, and someone who we barely knew blew up on my friend (not the SEAL-guy). He yelled at him, reached out and tore his earring out of his head, and punched him down. He yelled something else, then walked out the door.

What was remarkable was that even though we were all good friends, NOBODY did anything until the guy walked away. We were all ready to kick some ass 30 seconds after the guy walked out the door. But during the 10 second yelling/punching event, every single one of us stood there and went, "HUH?!"

You never really know what you'll do until you do it.

I could see not stepping in to stop the monster (not a man, just a fucking monster), but why the hell were those people just standing there while the person bled on the floor. It almost gives credibility to the bystander effect.

Worst part about that is, if that dude was carrying, and shot his assailant, it would still turn out badly. White guy shoots unarmed black guy. Not going to look very good for him, whether or not he was truly justified in defending himself with it.

We as a collective society grow closer to destroying ourselves everyday.

I think those people who stood around and watched that guy get beaten need to be charged with accessory to attempted murder or assault with a deadly weapon. Fucking outrageous.

I know there are a lot of people in here who say "Would you really do anything?" I can, for a fact, say that yes, I would. I have never, in my entire life, backed down from a fight. Yes, I have had my ass beaten before, but that hasn't stop me. I would have been going at that mother fucker as hard as I could.

I remember, here in Colorado a few months back, a black couple got in an arguement with a white guy over something stupid (I think one party hit the other's car when opening their door). Well, the black male pulled out a length of pipe and hit the guy in the head with it. The guy produced his concealed carry, killed pipe boy and wounded the woman. He was let off the hook because he was defending his life.

Yea, I just saw this video like 2 days ago. It is unbelievable. I cannot understand how all those people in the pizza place would not even try to help him or break it up. That guy is huge but someone should have tried to stop it or something. They all just stood there and watched. Then again, I say I would have done something but when a situation like that does occur, you never know what you would do. But I hope that I would have done something.

That's good to hear, because upon erading Suave's statement I felt inclined to agree. Your recollection gives me new hope.

I am not sure i understand, never backed down from a fight? like some guy walks by you and calls you a jerk, then its on? or your cornered in a room with 12 ninja's and you got fight your way out!

I mean that I have never backed down, ever. If someone calls me a jerk, I will respond in kind, and if he wants to escalate it, then that's fine. Most of the time, people don't really want to fight. If you call their bluff, they will stop, and nothing will come of it. I would also like to say that I never start fights, since I don't find anything enjoyable about fighting. I keep to myself, and if you don't intentionally bother me, then we won't have a problem. I guess the reason is because I care too much about my own pride and saving face. I know it's a dangerous lifestyle choice, but it doesn't bother me that much.

And I say bring those ninjas on!

similar to Lebell, I also carry concealed for this exact reason. Had I been in this restaurant, I without a doubt would have come to this persons aid.

I've only been in one situation where someone's life was at stake and I was frozen in place.
I was a kid and someone was drowning in the lake. Luckily some gentleman wasn't willing to stand by and was able to save him.
I suppose I could be forgiven for not reacting, but from what is described in the previous posts, those people in line need to seriously question themselves, and what their responsibilities to other human beings are.



The link isn't working for me.
Is it broken, or is it on my end?

Wow, what a terrible videotape. It's hideous how little some people respect others. Everything else I'm thinking has already been properly conveyed above.

It works fine on my end, but here is a direct link from another source. Although this is from a news broadcast, so you're not going to hear all the non-sense the maniacs spew, but you'll get the picture.
http://mfile.akamai.com/12938/wmv/vo...13611.200k.asx

This is the mentality that people here are talking about, this is a disease on our society, complecency.

He was talking on his phone and that rampaging bitch started poking him in his face, which by the way for me personally is one of the most infuriating things anyone can do to me, then she started getting in his "grill". Why should he have to step down and concede that to her? He should've popped her in her mouth for stepping up like that.

People today are cowards, they stand for nothing and fall to anything. I've taken my licks before it would be easy to "plead" or shut up, but when you're dealing with ignant ass bitches like this it does no good, you swing back.

Thanks, Rdr4evr.
Neither one is working. It must be on my end.
Appreciate it, though. :)

That is sickening..... :|

classic case of bystander apathy, a rather common phenomena that has been tested repeatedly in psychology experiments. nothing really new or earthshattering that no one stepped in.

This reminds me of when I got a loaded, cocked gun pointed at my face for looking in the general direction of one of these ghetto folks. Pisses me off.

Meanwhile, a marijuana grower does 5 years in prison for growing two dozen plants inside an abandoned bus. Am I missing something? Pisses me off.

I saw this a few days ago on a number of different message boards and the responses are almost always exactly the same.

People like that are the reason why if anyone even approaches me in a hostile manner I wouldn't hesitate to defend myself to the death of all parties involved.

This circumstance really isn't a racial matter. Those two animals attacked a man who was defensless before them without the slightest idea of what their actions would do to him. To seperate them from animals would give them far too much credit - they're fucking animals that don't have the right to exist and should be exterminated.

No problem, let's give it just one more shot though. If this doesn't work, then it is definately your end :lol:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pizzaparlorbrawl.html

When I'm out with friends/loved ones in public, I often think of what would I'd do if someone just came up and started attacking them like that. For instance, in that type of restaurant I'd be looking for a metal napkin dispenser. A strong blow to the temple or the bridge of the nose with the corner of one of those suckers would be a good deterrent.

But to be honest, I don't know what I'd do if I saw some random stranger getting beat like that--especially if I didn't see any events leading up to it. I doubt I'd notice some woman cutting ahead of the guy in line and thereby starting that whole mess. And if I just came across someone getting beat up by a huge black guy, I'd probably be disinclined to jump in because the cynical part of me would think "The idiot must've talked shit to that giant black guy, that's his own stupid fault." or "Hmm, guess that'll teach him not to pay for his crack on time."

I really hope that dude gets the crap beaten out of him in prison. What an ass****. Was that really necessary, the guy was just telling his girl that he would be a liitle late. All because some moron cut in front of him. I hope she goes to jail as well, stupid bitch, all that for what, pizza?

I see your point clavus and I've been in similar situations. The problem here is that it wasn't a 10 second brawl.. it was a pretty lengthy (considering) fight (if you can call it that). There's no doubt in my mind that I would have stepped in to help at least. Even if the stupid people watching didn't want to fight, they should have at least called the cops or an ambulance. Also, to say that you could get in trouble for helping out..you might, but I just have a hard time believing that a jury would convict someone of assault when video would prove that you helped someone out. Push the fucker off the guy, tell him to stop and if he gets pissy with you then it's game on.

Nicole DuFresne felt the same way. Except now she's dead.

Let's back this up even further. What is the mentality of the woman that started all this shit, in the first place? Where does that type of behavior come from?

I'd bet you good money drug or alcohol use at some point during the day.

Split second thought after i read your question, I would say it had something to do with the victim being white.

Of course i don't know..She could just be the biggest bitch on earth and it was that time of month.

I couldn't really make out what she was screaming about except for all the "Fucks" & "Muthafucka"
She cut in front of him and he responded with a remark about it which could have been racial but i doubt it.. But i don't know. In my eyes when shit like this happens between white people & Black people, Alot of times in turns into a racial issue when in fact it has nothing to do with race, It has to do with the fact that she cut infront of him and whatever colour you are..You take your number and wait your turn.

EDIT:
From previous posts i read she said something along the lines of "Show this muthafucka with his white ass" That's enough of a racial comment by itself, I haven't seen anything posted on any remarks the white guy said..So he could have just as well mumbled something that was racist towards them which may have sparked the whole thing..

it doesn't matter if he said something racially charged or not. To me that doesn't even factor into the equation. She was wrong, he was wrong (if he said something) so it evened out. All she should have done was call him a bigot if he said something and moved on. You don't deserve to get your ass beat for calling someone a nigger or a chink or a spic or a cracker. It's that simple.

I can't believe that people can be so animalistic, or that the consequences for that kind of behavior can be so weak. Animals ony understand punishment when it's quick and proportional to the crime. This guy needed a good beating, a jail term days later isn't going to teach him a thing.

If I had been there I would have given him the beating of his life. I've jumped in to help pull people out from under a bully before and will undoubtedly do it again. Bullies learn the lessons of life best from a hospital bed.

this should certainly make a very convincing argument for concealed handgun licenses, wouldn't you think?

Its pathetic that all those guys that were already in there didn't do anything to help the guy who was getting his ass kicked. They all just stayed where they were and watch him get pounded.

If a person of a different race than me approached me and was saying something racist directly towards me, I would not call them a biggot and walk away. Sometimes people need to get thier ass beat to knock some sense into them especially a racist (I'm not replying to what happened in the video). I don't fight and don't find any enjoyment out of fighting, But if somebody called me a cracker or anything that offended me..I would defend myself to whatever it led to..Even if i got my ass beat, I would rather get my ass beat than backdown from somebody who thinks they can offend me, Thinking i'm just gonna sit back and take thier shit.

Anyways..I'm going off the topic, So i will shut up.

I think i've seen this clip somewhere else before...It said that the guy got thrown in prison or something....What a bunch of nice guys to stand around and do a whole lot to help the guy out...that upsets me!

One would think so. However I bet if you asked the bystanders that did nothing to help they would reply " Its a good thing that neither one of them had a gun, or I might have been hurt".

I understand wanting to beat up a racist..there's nothing wrong with that mentality. However, why does nigger have to be a racial thing? Nigger is a viable word. I'm not trying to offend anyone but it has it's uses just like other words do. Granted in this case the word could have been used in a racial manner but the bitch could have just called him an ignorant biggot and left it at that. She started the whole thing by cussing him out.. and scratchin him in the face. Like you said we're getting into a whole new subject so I'll just leave it at that.

I'm just guessing here but think this happened at 2:30 AM, maybe some drinking involved. People that have low self esteem and are pissed of at the world in general tend to go off the deep end easily. I don't know where it comes from, they seem to have been born with a chip on their shoulder and woe be to you if you come into contact with them at the wrong time. Just look at all the road rage incidents.

towards what end? imagine using your concealed weapon, you draw on the guy who may or may not notice in the frenzy. so youshoot. who do you hit? asshole bully or victim? even if you got Mr. Pig-ass, do you see the matter ended there? What do you think your day in court would do for you? manslaughter or assault, and a civil suit.

In addition, everybody is saying that the innaction shown was typical of similar situations by by-standers. It may be the shock of disbelief. But whatever, I doubt that carrying concealed weapons will be the answer unless you are a trained professional. I bet that by the time most people would think to draw their weapons, the same time would have passed as when (how many... zero?) people pulled out their cell phone to summon help.

The woman probably thought the guy was talking about her being black. That's how the story always goes. Black people are taught by their parents to be constantly ready to defend themselves against racism but they always take it too far. This isn't racism, it's an observation: she obviously took whatever the guy said too far. The article says she's claiming a racist remark...

If I were in that restaurant, I would have probably tried to hold the big guy back but I'm not sure if I'd actually try to "take him out." If my twin brother were with me I'd go all balls out on him and fucking floor him. I always look out for people that need help. I would NOT stand by and watch this shit go down like the idiots in there. There was enough people in that room to beat that guy into a bloody pulp despite his size. I can't believe no one helped. At least he was caught on tape and sent to jail (even though I believe his sentence should have been way worse).

-Lasereth

You may be right but If you were the one getting beat I bet you would wish that someone had come to your aid, gun or no gun. Hopefully if someone had a gun there they would not necessarily have had to shoot but if they did and I was the one on the ground getting beat, I would welcome the help. as long as they did not shoot me. :)

Look at those people standing there doing nothing.

Im 5ft 2in and female and I can tell you I would have intervened and yes! I may have been killed for it but I wouldnt have been able to help myself.

I absolutely shouldnt have watched that.That poor guy and the system that gives someone who does that 4 years is pathetic. :mad: