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hambone · 02-10-2005, 09:22 AM

to flush the toilet!

I just went to the bathroom at work and the toilet was full of #2. Not like they flushed and some came back up. Like they exploded and ran. So gross....

How can you forget to whack the lever when you are done? Baffling....

MoonDog · 02-10-2005, 09:35 AM

My daughters used to do that all the time. I just don't get it either. They grew out of that, however. Now at work...I walk into the men's room and there is always one of the workmen standing at the urinal finishing his business. Lots of time they finish, zip, and walk away without even flushing, let alone washing the hands!

D'oh!

Scorps · 02-10-2005, 09:36 AM

You think thats bad I have gone in to the washroom at my old highschool(when I was in High School) it looked like someone forgot to flush and whip there ass also.......I was just like WTF and went to the next stall.

squirrelyburt · 02-10-2005, 10:08 AM

My kids cant seem to grasp the concept of flushing. Or NOT peeing on the seat. Just for my own sick amusement, I sprinkle water on the seat if I know they are headed in... tee hee hee

Mojo_PeiPei · 02-10-2005, 11:19 AM

I don't know how people can't flush while dropping a ducer or after, I always give a courtesy flush in public bathrooms or in places I'm not accustomed to for two reasons 1) helps with the smell and 2) gives me a scouting report of the toilet strength.

But I do have to admit I am largely lazy when I piss, it's so much effort to bend over two feet and pull the lever.

bacon_masta · 02-10-2005, 11:21 AM

And it's even WORSE when it's a PUBLIC bathroom!! We should start a pro-flush coalition.

hambone · 02-10-2005, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bacon_masta

And it's even WORSE when it's a PUBLIC bathroom!! We should start a pro-flush coalition.

Best idea ever.

Who wants chairman(throneman??

) responsibilities?

Stan Fields · 02-10-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by squirrelyburt

Just for my own sick amusement, I sprinkle water on the seat if I know they are headed in... tee hee hee

That is evil! A wet toilet seat, no matter the reason for it being wet, is not a good seat. Luckily I always remember to check for wetness (and anything else) before I sit down.

Charlatan · 02-10-2005, 11:54 AM

My son doesn't always flush but that has more to do with him being afraid of the noise... When he does flush you can hear him running to get back downstairs as quickly as possible.

As for public toilets... I get the feeling some people just like to show off their shit... Something like, look what I made.

I don't understand how anyone doesn't flush.

dirtyrascal7 · 02-10-2005, 01:03 PM

just like with leaving shopping carts in the middle of the parking lot, they know that someone else will eventually do it for them.

i hate people like that... i'm lazy, but my laziness doesn't effect anyone but myself.

ObieX · 02-10-2005, 01:09 PM

When they design public bathrooms they should work in a gadget that wont let you open the door of the stall until after you have flushed. So if you don't like to flush the toilet you have two options: 1) pack a lunch, cuz you ain't goin anywhere... where you goin? NO WHERE! 2) crawl under the door on the filthy urine-covered floor.

meembo · 02-10-2005, 02:25 PM

I think the automatic flush in public restrooms is an invention that deserves to be in the pantheon of small but crucial inventions, like the wheel, the light bulb, and the Q-Tip.

splck · 02-10-2005, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hambone

Best idea ever.

Who wants chairman(throneman??

) responsibilities?

I hereby nominate Flyman to the post!

Hip Hip Hooray for Flyman and his new job..

joemc91 · 02-10-2005, 03:48 PM

Hell, even if I don't want to flush the toilet (happened once) I do instinctively. Then again, I've been succesfully trained by sharing my bathroom as a kid with three girls to put the seat and cover down afterwards. I can't imagine just not flushing the toilet at all.

Scorps · 02-11-2005, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei

But I do have to admit I am largely lazy when I piss, it's so much effort to bend over two feet and pull the lever.

Use your foot.......just hope your foot doesn't slip into the bowl

Suave · 02-11-2005, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ObieX

When they design public bathrooms they should work in a gadget that wont let you open the door of the stall until after you have flushed. So if you don't like to flush the toilet you have two options: 1) pack a lunch, cuz you ain't goin anywhere... where you goin? NO WHERE! 2) crawl under the door on the filthy urine-covered floor.

A third option is to hop over the stall. I've had to do that before when I got locked in a stall (the door jammed on me and I was drunk). I did flush though, but I cut up my hands on the stall edge. =/

By the way, this whole thread is hilarious!

raeanna74 · 02-11-2005, 01:34 PM

I must admit that I'm the only one in this house (including our 4 yr old) who OCCAISIONALLY forgets to flush. The times when it happens are when I'm taking a leak and suddenly a kid starts wailing or the phone starts ringing. Both seem to happen way too often. I wipe - squirt some hand sanitizer and run - thinking I'll come back later. I inevitably forget to come back later though. Everyone in our house is in the habit of putting the seat and lid down. Our cat LOVES the toilet otherwise and we all think that's gross cause she LOVES to kiss our lips. Eewwww.

As for the public restrooms - I always use my foot to flush if at all possible. I just cringe at the germies crawling all over those toilet handles, and the stall handles, and the door handles... I avoid public restrooms as much as possible.

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Originally Posted by squirrelyburt

My kids cant seem to grasp the concept of flushing. Or NOT peeing on the seat. Just for my own sick amusement, I sprinkle water on the seat if I know they are headed in... tee hee hee

Tehehe - I love this. I used to do this to my brother at home when he went through his "I'm lot lifting the seat." phase. Revenge is sweet when it's done this way.

betula · 02-11-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by joemc91

Hell, even if I don't want to flush the toilet (happened once) I do instinctively. Then again, I've been succesfully trained by sharing my bathroom as a kid with three girls to put the seat and cover down afterwards. I can't imagine just not flushing the toilet at all.

Oh yeah, I know what you mean. There have been times when I'm going to get in the shower and my girlfriend is already in there. I'll pee, telling myself the whole time to NOT flush, because it'll make the water scalding hot. Yet, even as I'm actually saying "Don't flush," I'll instinctively reach the handle and push it. It hasn't happened often, but it has a few times. It is a hard habit to break.

I also put the seat down all the time, just because I prefer it that way. It looks nicer, and I can pile some clothes on it to change into after a shower. We can always tell when a visitor used the bathroom because the seat is invariably up!

alicat · 02-14-2005, 06:20 PM

I read somewhere a few years ago about how many disgusting bacteria are thrown into the air as an invisible fine mist everytime you flush a toilet. Mythbusters did a segment about this too although I can't remember what the outcome was (drank too much that evening). In our house, the seat is always down when hubby or I flush.

In public restrooms I unlock the door and get ready to bolt before I push the handle, then the bolting out of the stall ensues. On our trip to South Africa in Dec., we had a lay-over in Amsterdam. I am sure alot of people are used to automatic flushing toilets but I had never been on one. The second my ass left the seat, the extremely high-powered toilet flushed, sending up the previously mentioned mist that I actually felt on my still bare ass.

Now, I am not like "Monk" about sanitary things but for the next 9 1/2 hrs. to Johannesburg, all I could think about was getting to our hotel and a shower!

I will not, at this time, get into airplane toilets/bathrooms. And if asked under oath if I sat on an airplane toilet that trip without checking to see if the seat was down, I will claim the 5th.

Ali

ngdawg · 02-14-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pain Train

Use your foot.......just hope your foot doesn't slip into the bowl

That kind of happened to a lady I worked with!!! She went to flush with her foot, her foot slipped or something and she kicked the lid of the tank and crashed it to the floor!

Oops-thread hijack...sorry

I don't get the do it and leave either-and women are THE worst for messing up a stall. Ladies, if you INSIST on squatting and not sitting, WIPE YOUR SPRAY OFF!!! I don't like cleaning my bathroom, yet I have to clean a public one before I can use it. (and carry a tube of anti-bacterial hand creme at all times)

vanblah · 02-14-2005, 07:51 PM

I was at a bookstore a couple of weeks ago with my 3 year old daughter. Of course as soon as we got there she said she had to go to the bathroom and of course there was someone in the one stall that was in the men's room. So we waited ... and waited ... and waited. Just as I was about to go into the women's room I hear the stall door open. So we head in.

The guy coming out not only didn't wash his hands but he left a huge nasty "piece" in the toilet. I was so mad that I yelled after him as we immediately left the men's room, "Is it too much to ask to flush the toilet in a public restroom?" I'm pretty sure the entire bookstore heard me.

So I ended up using the women's room anyway.

ironmaiden7o7 · 02-14-2005, 09:08 PM

I hate that so much, I hate going to the bathroom at work and see that the person before me didn't flush. How can you forget that? Ewww! This makes me wonder if this person even wash his/her hands! I also hate seeing the freakin' toliet seat up, there isn't a thing that upsets me as much.

hambone · 02-16-2005, 01:09 PM

That bastard struck again!!!

Just....Push....The....HANDLE!

sapiens · 02-16-2005, 03:08 PM

Sometimes at home, I intentionally do not flush the toilet. I'm paranoid about waking my daughter in the middle of the night. Sometimes she wakes up and stays up. It's a pain. Later the next day, my wife will find the dirty toilet and complain. I continue to do it though.

Slightly off-topic, but related to other posts: I always use my foot to flush the toilet in public restrooms. I also always use paper towel to open the door when leaving the restroom. That door handle is the dirtiest place in the bathroom...

Dyze · 02-16-2005, 04:24 PM

I am studying at a college and people here also sometimes don't flush or wash their hands. I heard some people are so afraid of germs that they are not comfortable with touching the handle. Step-on handles are more convienient I think. Especially in bars.
As far as washing hands: it's just a social thing. My wee wee is not dirty so there wouldn't be a need to wash my hands. But I do it, because I also don't want to shake your hand if you just played around down there.

Cynthetiq · 02-17-2005, 01:54 PM

An email that a coworker wrote...

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Recognize That?!?!
There are these 3 wacky guys that I work with who are obsessed with this one bathroom up on the 31st floor. The whole thing's out of control. I'm on 27 and I've got this little thing going with my bathroom too, but these guys are bleeping nuts.

It's like they're up there on 31 patrolling the john busting people who don't behave properly. And you have to understand something, the bathroom at work's not your bathroom. Nothing at work is actually yours! I mean, you clog it up, you just get the hell out of there and let someone else handle it, no? Don't get me wrong, I'll kick start it a few times, but if that doesn't work, I'm the fuck out of there! I may not enjoy the experience as much as when I'm plopped down at home with the latest SI, but there's no emotional involvement either. It's just another quick toilet, and it will surely live to see another day, regardless of how I may treat it.

But that's the thing about these morons, it WAS emotional for them. Someone up on 31 was fucking with THEIR bathroom, goddamnit, and they weren't going to put up with it anymore. Kinda like my neighbor not tolerating her postcards anymore. They were gonna try to do something about something they couldn't really do anything about. They were getting emotionally involved, in other words.

I don't know the guy that they thought was responsible, but there was no logic to the whole thing. They were convinced that he was going in there and intentionally blasting away and basically having his way with THEIR bathroom. They'd seen him come out of the bathroom once and he was grinning, and they figured it must be him. This took place over a course of months obviously. It just came to a head (forgive the pun) recently, which is when I heard about it.

But the thing about a bathroom at work is this: who do you call? I mean, if it's a purely practical issue like the plumbing, you call maintenance, but if it's an issue involving accepted standards of behavior in a work place bathroom, well, I'm hard pressed to think of an organization prepared to handle that! You just naturally assume that everyone has used a bathroom before, and that they'll know how to use this one too, no? Fuck me!

At first it started out small. They got pissed off because guys would go in there and instead of throwing away the paper towels in the garbage after washing up, some of them would use them to open the two sets of doors as well, leaving the damp sheets in the vestibule on their way out. This was more of a technicality than a major penalty, and it was even somewhat understandable. After all, some assholes (mainly computer consultants from south Asia, they assumed) would use the urinals, not flush, not wash up, (not do anything at all!) and just walk out.

Anyone who was present would understandably be reluctant to grip the same door handle on their way out. I myself had experienced this very thing on my floor and responded in a similar manner. I'm not particularly fastidious, but goddamn! The upshot of this was a sign on the first door of the bathroom on 31 that read: Gentlemen of the 31st floor, please flush and wash up accordingly and dispose of sanitary items in appropriate receptacle on your way out. Maybe they should have written the sign in Urdu, or used an exclamation point for emphasis, who knows. Someone, assumed to be south Asian, tore it down, stomped all over it, and left it there by the side of the door. I think it was the heel imprints that did the guys in. It was like someone had desecrated their temple.

I'm going to assume that these guys work at work, that they don't spend all their time prowling the john on 31. I snuck a quick one up there a few months ago myself, but never again. I'll only use the furthest stall from the door, and if 27 is not available, I'll swoop around looking for one that is. There's something about a successful dump at the office, especially on someone else's floor. It's like you've gotten away with something. It felt different on 31 than it does on 27. It felt different enough for me to mention it now is all I'm saying.

But there's this guy on 31 who doesn't swoop anywhere, who does his business up there regardless of what stall's available. Apparently he goes in there and has his way with the place. There are 43 other guys on that floor, and there are 4 stalls, which works out to roughly one for every ten guys, but when he's in there, it's like they're all his. I can kind of see how that might piss someone off.

It got to the point where Sean would go in there expecting to find a steaming pile. One day he just had enough. It was the second stall from the door. The sign had been ripped down again. He'd had too much black bean chili for lunch. He was collapsing internally. In short, he wasn't in a good mood. He opened the door to the stall and jumped back. You've been trailing someone for weeks, you just know. He finally cracked. He actually whipped out his cell phone and took a picture of the offending pile. He wasn't sure what he was going to do with it, he just knew he had to have a record. It was like a bleeping crime scene for him at this point.

A few weeks later he was at the company Christmas party collapsing externally. He was hanging out with his two friends. They were gulping bourbon and munching on fried oysters and discussing what to do about the bathroom on 31 and the asshole they had identified as the culprit. They didn't really have a case. They just knew it was him. You come out of a bathroom grinning, you're guilty of something! The digital picture had been analyzed over and over. Momentum was building. As chance would have it, Rich showed up at their table at that very moment. What you've got to understand is that this guy is a co-worker of theirs. He's a colleague. He's a professional IT guy with a family and a two car garage. He takes his job and his family seriously. He participates in a weekly meeting with these 3 guys where they discuss serious stuff, none of which involves the bathroom on 31. He's unaware that that bathroom, or any other for that matter, is a topic of conversation among his colleagues. To his knowledge, he is a well respected member of the team. He is in fact a team player and proud of it.

The moment he sits down Joe, the guy that I know, starts kicking Sean under the table. The message is clear. We've got him here, let's break him. Show him the picture, the crime scene, see how he reacts. To his credit, Sean is reluctant. Part of him understands that the whole thing is out of control. The only time he talks to Rich it's about fiber optic this or satellite that. To be sure they have actually discussed dumps before, but only of the technical variety. Once on a business trip to the west coast Rich tried to effect a remote data dump over a wireless LAN. He ended up clogging up the entire network. Email was down for 2 hours. The messaging guys were not pleased.

But there's nothing in the least way remote or technical about this dump. It's sitting right there in living color on Sean's cell phone. Joe keeps kicking him under the table. Mike's getting so worked up that he spills his drink. All three of them are howling. Rich is just pleased to be in a group of shitfaced co-workers for once. He's never been included in anything before. He's not sure why they're laughing, but that's the beautiful thing about being shitfaced, it doesn't bleeping matter. Right then, just as Rich is starting to feel like he belongs for the very first time in his life, Sean reaches over and flips open his cell phone: Recognize that?!?

Charlatan · 02-17-2005, 02:05 PM

What an odd story...

Cynthetiq · 02-17-2005, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlatan

What an odd story...

and even odder that it was emailed to me out of the blue...

Charlatan · 02-17-2005, 02:19 PM

Those are the *best* types of odd stories... It's even better that you save the story to share with us...

jizzmasterp · 02-17-2005, 02:43 PM

I can relate. There are toilet bandits in my residence who attack in the middle of the night and completely overflow the toilet with poo. Its horrible since the guys bathroom only has two stalls. They usually knock both of them out of commission. Sigh, I hate people who dump and run.

02-10-2005, 09:22 AM	#1 (permalink)
hambone Zeroed In Location: CA	How do you forget.... to flush the toilet! I just went to the bathroom at work and the toilet was full of #2. Not like they flushed and some came back up. Like they exploded and ran. So gross.... How can you forget to whack the lever when you are done? Baffling.... __________________ "Like liquid white from fallen glass, Nothing to cry over"

02-10-2005, 09:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	You think thats bad I have gone in to the washroom at my old highschool(when I was in High School) it looked like someone forgot to flush and whip there ass also.......I was just like WTF and went to the next stall. __________________ A.K.A. PainTrain

02-10-2005, 10:08 AM	#4 (permalink)
squirrelyburt Crazy Location: Central Wisconsin	My kids cant seem to grasp the concept of flushing. Or NOT peeing on the seat. Just for my own sick amusement, I sprinkle water on the seat if I know they are headed in... tee hee hee __________________ If you've ever felt there was a reason to be afraid of the dark, you were right.

02-10-2005, 11:19 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	I don't know how people can't flush while dropping a ducer or after, I always give a courtesy flush in public bathrooms or in places I'm not accustomed to for two reasons 1) helps with the smell and 2) gives me a scouting report of the toilet strength. But I do have to admit I am largely lazy when I piss, it's so much effort to bend over two feet and pull the lever. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

02-10-2005, 11:54 AM	#9 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	My son doesn't always flush but that has more to do with him being afraid of the noise... When he does flush you can hear him running to get back downstairs as quickly as possible. As for public toilets... I get the feeling some people just like to show off their shit... Something like, look what I made. I don't understand how anyone doesn't flush. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-10-2005, 09:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
MoonDog Psycho Location: Buffalo, New York	My daughters used to do that all the time. I just don't get it either. They grew out of that, however. Now at work...I walk into the men's room and there is always one of the workmen standing at the urinal finishing his business. Lots of time they finish, zip, and walk away without even flushing, let alone washing the hands! D'oh!

02-10-2005, 11:21 AM	#6 (permalink)
bacon_masta Psycho Location: i live in the state of denial	And it's even WORSE when it's a PUBLIC bathroom!! We should start a pro-flush coalition.

02-10-2005, 01:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
dirtyrascal7 That's what she said	just like with leaving shopping carts in the middle of the parking lot, they know that someone else will eventually do it for them. i hate people like that... i'm lazy, but my laziness doesn't effect anyone but myself.

02-10-2005, 01:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
ObieX Pickles Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)	When they design public bathrooms they should work in a gadget that wont let you open the door of the stall until after you have flushed. So if you don't like to flush the toilet you have two options: 1) pack a lunch, cuz you ain't goin anywhere... where you goin? NO WHERE! 2) crawl under the door on the filthy urine-covered floor. __________________ We Must Dissent.

02-10-2005, 02:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
meembo Junkie Location: Connecticut	I think the automatic flush in public restrooms is an invention that deserves to be in the pantheon of small but crucial inventions, like the wheel, the light bulb, and the Q-Tip. __________________ less I say, smarter I am

02-10-2005, 03:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
joemc91 Insane Location: Chicago	Hell, even if I don't want to flush the toilet (happened once) I do instinctively. Then again, I've been succesfully trained by sharing my bathroom as a kid with three girls to put the seat and cover down afterwards. I can't imagine just not flushing the toilet at all.

02-14-2005, 06:20 PM	#19 (permalink)
alicat Baffled Location: West Michigan	I read somewhere a few years ago about how many disgusting bacteria are thrown into the air as an invisible fine mist everytime you flush a toilet. Mythbusters did a segment about this too although I can't remember what the outcome was (drank too much that evening). In our house, the seat is always down when hubby or I flush. In public restrooms I unlock the door and get ready to bolt before I push the handle, then the bolting out of the stall ensues. On our trip to South Africa in Dec., we had a lay-over in Amsterdam. I am sure alot of people are used to automatic flushing toilets but I had never been on one. The second my ass left the seat, the extremely high-powered toilet flushed, sending up the previously mentioned mist that I actually felt on my still bare ass. Now, I am not like "Monk" about sanitary things but for the next 9 1/2 hrs. to Johannesburg, all I could think about was getting to our hotel and a shower! I will not, at this time, get into airplane toilets/bathrooms. And if asked under oath if I sat on an airplane toilet that trip without checking to see if the seat was down, I will claim the 5th. Ali __________________ 'Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun, The frumious Bandersnatch!'--Jabberwocky, Lewis Carroll "You cannot do a kindness too soon because you never know how soon it will be too late."--Ralph Waldo Emerson

02-14-2005, 07:51 PM	#21 (permalink)
vanblah Junkie	I was at a bookstore a couple of weeks ago with my 3 year old daughter. Of course as soon as we got there she said she had to go to the bathroom and of course there was someone in the one stall that was in the men's room. So we waited ... and waited ... and waited. Just as I was about to go into the women's room I hear the stall door open. So we head in. The guy coming out not only didn't wash his hands but he left a huge nasty "piece" in the toilet. I was so mad that I yelled after him as we immediately left the men's room, "Is it too much to ask to flush the toilet in a public restroom?" I'm pretty sure the entire bookstore heard me. So I ended up using the women's room anyway.

02-14-2005, 09:08 PM	#22 (permalink)
ironmaiden7o7 Insane Location: NYC	I hate that so much, I hate going to the bathroom at work and see that the person before me didn't flush. How can you forget that? Ewww! This makes me wonder if this person even wash his/her hands! I also hate seeing the freakin' toliet seat up, there isn't a thing that upsets me as much.

02-16-2005, 01:09 PM	#23 (permalink)
hambone Zeroed In Location: CA	That bastard struck again!!! Just....Push....The....HANDLE! __________________ "Like liquid white from fallen glass, Nothing to cry over"

02-16-2005, 03:08 PM	#24 (permalink)
sapiens Junkie Location: Some place windy	Sometimes at home, I intentionally do not flush the toilet. I'm paranoid about waking my daughter in the middle of the night. Sometimes she wakes up and stays up. It's a pain. Later the next day, my wife will find the dirty toilet and complain. I continue to do it though. Slightly off-topic, but related to other posts: I always use my foot to flush the toilet in public restrooms. I also always use paper towel to open the door when leaving the restroom. That door handle is the dirtiest place in the bathroom...

02-16-2005, 04:24 PM	#25 (permalink)
Dyze Crazy	I am studying at a college and people here also sometimes don't flush or wash their hands. I heard some people are so afraid of germs that they are not comfortable with touching the handle. Step-on handles are more convienient I think. Especially in bars. As far as washing hands: it's just a social thing. My wee wee is not dirty so there wouldn't be a need to wash my hands. But I do it, because I also don't want to shake your hand if you just played around down there. __________________ Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do.

02-17-2005, 02:05 PM	#27 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	What an odd story... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-17-2005, 02:19 PM	#29 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Those are the best types of odd stories... It's even better that you save the story to share with us... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-17-2005, 02:43 PM	#30 (permalink)
jizzmasterp Insane	I can relate. There are toilet bandits in my residence who attack in the middle of the night and completely overflow the toilet with poo. Its horrible since the guys bathroom only has two stalls. They usually knock both of them out of commission. Sigh, I hate people who dump and run. __________________ Don't mind the name. It was chosen before I discovered that there were forums that didn't start with "Titty."