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Thermopyle · 01-30-2005, 04:15 AM

In sweden they're just trying a new law againts discrimination of gay people. A preacher, Åke Green, deliberately expressed his diguste for homosexuals in public. He was condemned to 3 months of prison and now the case is up in a higher court. The funny part is that a baptist church in the states has involved themself in this question. And the way they do it, well it's funny!

http://www.godhatesfags.com/featured...al_family.html
http://www.godhatessweden.com/

PulpMind · 01-30-2005, 06:37 AM

because the "godhatesfags.com" people are always a solid source of information for non-descrimatory information and level headed news.

bravo to sweden for taken the counter hard-nosed steps necessary to weed out the lesser evolved beings in their country.

lurkette · 01-30-2005, 09:15 AM

He was arrested for expressing disgust?

There's a difference between having an opinion and discriminating based on that opinion. If you're going to protect unpopular populations, I think you have to be consistent and extend that protection to unpopular opinions of unpopular populations. (?) Repressing differences of opinion - no matter how ignorant they might be - doesn't do anybody any favors.

Slavakion · 01-30-2005, 09:36 AM

Wow, God hates a lot of places/people, huh? Kinda makes me wonder if all those passages in the New Testament about God loving everyone were typos.

sailor · 01-30-2005, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by lurkette

He was arrested for expressing disgust?

There's a difference between having an opinion and discriminating based on that opinion. If you're going to protect unpopular populations, I think you have to be consistent and extend that protection to unpopular opinions of unpopular populations. (?) Repressing differences of opinion - no matter how ignorant they might be - doesn't do anybody any favors.

Agreed. Hating homosexuals may be bigoted and ignorant, but he has every right to not like them. I dont agree with him, but arresting him for those views isnt any better.

degrawj · 01-30-2005, 10:04 AM

Okay, I'm seriously not trying to be condescending or judgemental here. I just want somebody to explain to me how the people who run those websites can consider themselves true Christians.

Jonsgirl · 01-30-2005, 10:09 AM

I love finding new things that God hates. And they even provide games along with all thier information. If I can learn things and play games, this is the place for me! Sign me up to be a hateful, ignorant, narrow-minded, bigot!!!

blitz.fenix · 01-30-2005, 10:23 AM

IS it possible for people of religions to actually love everything?

Lebell · 01-30-2005, 10:36 AM

I have no idea what god Fred Phelps worships, but He isn't the same one I worship.

Rodney · 01-30-2005, 10:50 AM

I've seen the man on TV. I don't know how he got that way, but he is a raving, hating freak. He has several sons and daughters who are all stalwart members of his church and who, under his direction, got law degrees so that they can get him out of any mess that he gets himself into, free of charge. And also sue anybody and anything they want to, free of charge.

Brooke · 01-30-2005, 10:57 AM

Amen Lebell. I am from a big traditional Lutheran family, and it is crap like this that makes even someone like me want to shun organized religion.

I will paraphrase Men in Black cause I can't find the actual quote
Tommy Lee Jones "A person is smart: People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals..."

Cervantes · 01-30-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sailor

Agreed. Hating homosexuals may be bigoted and ignorant, but he has every right to not like them. I dont agree with him, but arresting him for those views isnt any better.

It is fully allowed to hate and have opinions about watever in Sweden it's just not legal to try and agitate hatred against minority groups. He was sentenced because under several of his sermons he clearly spoke about how god hates homosexuals rousing his congregation to the same hatred.

As far as I've heard he even forbade homosexuals to join his congregation which is blatant discrimination by the letter of the law in Sweden.

In Sweden we have a law that prohibits agitation against a group of people be it foreginers, homosexuals or whatever. You are not allowed to try and make people act against a grouping of people. It's proved to be very effective against the more militant racist propaganda that litterd the society for a brief period.
Now it is tried on Gay-haters aswell.

Blaspheme · 01-30-2005, 01:19 PM

Gee, what an abhorrent thread title. I was under the impression that kind of language (used in an insulting context) was frowned upon here. Then again, I'm new, and maybe I'm confused.

If someone can really be arrested and charged with a crime just for speaking their mind in Sweden, then I am doubly glad to be living in the USA instead.

As for the people behind sites like "godhatesfags.com", it's almost amusing that they are their own worst enemies. Any reasonable person who reads that drivel is going to be inclined to take the opposite stance from them just out of sheer disgust for the way they express themselves.

ICER · 01-30-2005, 01:45 PM

I don't think God hates, I think people hate. And name God as their reason for hating something.

Its amazing to me that every time I went to church, there was something new that God hated. And very little God loved other then blind obedience.

I don't think of God as a all powerful entity that I have to bow down and worship ( In truth, if I HAD to do it. then my faith would be forced and empty) I think of him as a father figure who advises me through life.

As for the being locked up for just stating your opinion. I'm glad I'm in the USA. But being an American isn't easy. It’s where someone can scream at the top of their lungs something that you would spend a lifetime defending at the top of yours. Sadly, not everyone has learned that it’s OK, to have a difference of opinion or that not everyone views the world the same way you do.

Lebell · 01-30-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaspheme

Gee, what an abhorrent thread title. I was under the impression that kind of language (used in an insulting context) was frowned upon here. Then again, I'm new, and maybe I'm confused.

One meerly has to ask.

I considered that when I first saw the thread, but after clicking the links I see that the thread title is in line with the story, as "God Hates Fags" is the title of the Fred Phelps website.

Had it been used in any other context, action would have been taken.

-lebell

martinguerre · 01-30-2005, 02:05 PM

well, i'll just say that i'm still not happy to see it. i understand that it's in satire...but it's still a word that i am on the recieving end of way too often.

I just don't think it's okay to use casually.

fckm · 01-30-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cervantes

It is fully allowed to hate and have opinions about watever in Sweden it's just not legal to try and agitate hatred against minority groups. He was sentenced because under several of his sermons he clearly spoke about how god hates homosexuals rousing his congregation to the same hatred.

As far as I've heard he even forbade homosexuals to join his congregation which is blatant discrimination by the letter of the law in Sweden.

In Sweden we have a law that prohibits agitation against a group of people be it foreginers, homosexuals or whatever. You are not allowed to try and make people act against a grouping of people. It's proved to be very effective against the more militant racist propaganda that litterd the society for a brief period.
Now it is tried on Gay-haters aswell.

This kinda makes a lot of sense. Sorta like the yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater thing.

clavus · 01-30-2005, 02:11 PM

God is love. "God hates" is BS.

"fags" is totally in context here. I have no problem with it.

BuDDaH · 01-30-2005, 02:39 PM

This is all garbage. The priest got lock up for trying to incite his members of the congregation to go out and actually hurt people who even seemed gay. You should LEARN to read Swedish or not believe everything before getting the facts.

Also, where are your common sense: Take a look at the site that info comes from. It blames every natural disaster up to the WTC bombing on the gays. Please, look at the tacky scheme of the site, does it even looks like it would have ANY reliable source of information? Get with it , people. Post like this shouldn't exist.

MSD · 01-30-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by degrawj

Okay, I'm seriously not trying to be condescending or judgemental here. I just want somebody to explain to me how the people who run those websites can consider themselves true Christians.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/faq.html#Christian

Apparently, only Phelps' followers are true Christians. Everyone else is pathetic.

Dyze · 01-30-2005, 05:43 PM

How can someone be so stupid? And how stupid have you to be to follow someone like this? If I would see that guy I would try to get in a fight with him and kick his ass real hard. I am sure god would not help him.

Lebell · 01-30-2005, 05:55 PM

One afternoon I spent a few hours reading up on Fred Phelps.

It is a scary, sordid tale of a cultish family run church that is under the absolute control of Phelps.

I didn't save any of the webpages, but I'm sure if you googled "Fred Phelps" you can find them.

This lunatic fringe element is only worth knowing about in order to be aware that people like this actually exist and are trying to push their agendas.

hunnychile · 01-30-2005, 05:59 PM

There is nothing funny about HATE. It kills people and it's wrong.

As Christ said in the Bible, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

mrklixx · 01-30-2005, 06:05 PM

Maybe only guys named Phelps are allowed to have impossible missions.

And as to "God" not hating, has anyone actually read the old testament?

Lebell · 01-30-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mrklixx

And as to "God" not hating, has anyone actually read the old testament?

Frequently.

And I know for a fact that is where Phelps gets 99% of his ammunition.

But failing to understand the old testiment is no reason to claim that God "hates".

As a Christian, I look at the old testiment through the eyes of Jesus, who said "Love God with your whole heart and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments all the law is based."

RCAlyra2004 · 01-30-2005, 07:40 PM

Thermopyle,

You have a large number of your facts wrong. I am sorry to say there is nothing new about Swedens anti-discrimination laws. Also... Ake didn't just express disgust .

I Looked up the story about why he was convicted and realised that you have probably only listened to the Baptist Church version of the truth.

I could post it all here but I have to admit I am offened by the whole premise of your thread. BUT.... it sure brings to light how disgusting the Fundamentalist agenda has really become.

They are only concerned with societal control... and they are willing to beat society into compliance.... They do not understand love.

I think God hates that people that made those web pages....

I am Disgusted by this thread!

martinguerre · 01-30-2005, 09:44 PM

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As a Christian, I look at the old testiment through the eyes of Jesus,

Just to add to that...i attend a Jewish torah study...read the hebrew scriptures on their own...and there is plenty of mercy there. it reminds the reader that there are a lot of voices going in to scripture...some are divine, some are not. but i have found that the darkness is only all the more apparent as empty and with out power when it is placed near the light.

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The Baptist Church version of the truth.

I know what you meant...but to be specific... I'm queer and Baptist. And i don't see any issue with being either. I don't much appricate it when people use hateful language against people for being queer, but i also don't appriciate it against Baptists, either. Not saying your words were hateful...but i hope you understand when i ask you to just let the people responsible for saying hate in the name of God be responsible.

mrklixx · 01-30-2005, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lebell

Frequently.

And I know for a fact that is where Phelps gets 99% of his ammunition.

But failing to understand the old testiment is no reason to claim that God "hates".

As a Christian, I look at the old testiment through the eyes of Jesus, who said "Love God with your whole heart and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments all the law is based."

So just as an example, "God" just "loved" the babies of Egypt to death?

Just because one loves a being with all their heart, it doesn't make it a "loving" being.

sailor · 01-31-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by clavus

God is love. "God hates" is BS.

Precisely. Im not even religious and this irks me. Jesus preached the ultimate liberal values, and people like this get some convoluted, hypocritical desire to do the exact opposite and somehow believe that it is what Jesus would have wanted.

Ive said it before, and Ill say it again--zealots, of ANY and EVERY form are a bad thing.

Lebell · 01-31-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mrklixx

So just as an example, "God" just "loved" the babies of Egypt to death?

Just because one loves a being with all their heart, it doesn't make it a "loving" being.

No one knows exactly what happened in Egypt as Moses was trying to free the Israelites.

But the God I experience is a loving, merciful God.

"Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do."

Anyway, seems to me that you are trying to pick a fight over the issue.

Thermopyle · 01-31-2005, 12:30 PM

Well, I'm very sorry if I have offended anyone here by using the word fag in the title. As most understand it's a quote from the "godhateseverybody.com"-page and used ironically here. As a non-american I didnt realize the word "fag" could be offending. The point of me posting this thread was curiosity. I was woundering what your reaction of both the law and of Phelps was. But I really dont understyand why some think this thread is disgusting.

And about the facts. No maybe I didnt get I all right but I know that this is the first time the law is "tested" and me and my freinds had had alot of discussions about it. Is freedom of speech above all hatred or should some things not to be allowed to express publicly?

Personally I think it should be illegal. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are ok as long as they dont hurt individuals or groups indirect or direct.

MageB420666 · 01-31-2005, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Thermopyle

Is freedom of speech above all hatred or should some things not to be allowed to express publicly?

Personally I think it should be illegal. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are ok as long as they dont hurt individuals or groups indirect or direct.

So nobody should be allowed to say anything bad about anyone? Especially if they're telling the truth? Cause that could hurt someone.

Freedom of Speech, and I'll use the U.S.'s First Amendment as the reference for this, was intended to protect speech such as this. Freedom of speech is used to allow people to speak their minds, even if their minds are filled with hate. If freedom of speech is taken away, then one of the most powerful weapons against the formation of a tyranous and/or fascist government has been taken away from the public.

I believe that he has the right to say that he hates the gays and that homosexuality is wrong, but he does not have the right to ensight a riot or violence against gays.

mrklixx · 01-31-2005, 01:43 PM

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No one knows exactly what happened in Egypt as Moses was trying to free the Israelites.

I'm not sure what you mean. I thought exactly what happened is written in the instruction manual.

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Originally Posted by Lebell

Anyway, seems to me that you are trying to pick a fight over the issue.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just trying to have a discussion, and allow Christians the perfect opportunity to follow the great commission to reach out and answer some questions about their loving creator.

Lebell · 01-31-2005, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mrklixx

I'm not sure what you mean. I thought exactly what happened is written in the instruction manual.

Ah, the source of the problem becomes clear: The Bible is NOT an instruction manual.

It is the collection of written stories from Hebrew and Christian traditions and must be read as such.

drakers · 01-31-2005, 03:50 PM

I was looking at that "funny" (disgusting) website and I took a look at the FAQ's and this is one of the most disgusting things that I read:

Why do you say "Thank God For September 11?"
For several reasons. First, God ordained and decreed these acts. He determined in eternity to hurl those airplanes like fiery darts out of the sky. He used the evil followers of Osama bin Laden to punish even more evil people, just as He used the evil, blood-thirsty Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar, His servant, to punish wicked Judah (Jeremiah 25:9). As the sovereign Creator, His acts by definition are perfect and all humans are duty bound to be grateful for all that He does. "Shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?" Amos 3:6. You are supremely arrogant and evil if you don't believe that your Creator was responsible for September 11. Second, the saints of God watch for the return of Christ. The worse this world becomes in its institutionalized iniquity, the greater the hope that the return of Christ is nigh. September 11 took things to a new level. That is a good reason to thank God. Third, this nation is awash in arrogant disobedience to God. By all that is just, God is fully entitled to utterly destroy the nation immediately. The fact that instead He gave us a fair warning on September 11 is something that those who fear and obey God as all mankind is bound to do are thankful for this warning. Of course, the perverse people of this evil nation are not getting the hint, and instead of repenting in sackcloth and ashes, they continue to spit in God's face. "And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not." Revelation 2:21.

Anyone here agree with this ridiculous talk of how God wanted this to happen say, "I believe". Anyone who disagrees with this websites thinking should write to them saying how disgusting their retorhic sounds (though it would probably do little).

mrklixx · 01-31-2005, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lebell

Ah, the source of the problem becomes clear: The Bible is NOT an instruction manual.

It is the collection of written stories from Hebrew and Christian traditions and must be read as such.

Ok. Well that's different. So which parts are "real" and which parts aren't?

ariekitten · 01-31-2005, 08:38 PM

thanks lebell for clearing up the title confusion. i think it's dumb and wrong to imprison someone just because they "expressed" disgust for something/someone. i express my disgust for crappy teeny-bopper pop singers (who lipsync) like Ashlee Simpson all the time, but i guess i can because i live in america, whereas in sweden i guess you can't express your opinions?
it's one thing to give your opinion on a subject (i.e. homosexuality) but another to discriminate. if the guy didn't go commit a hate crime or discriminate against a homosexual, then i think he, a man who dislikes homosexuals, should be allowed to say as much as homosexuals and their supporters are allowed to say on the subject. but that's just my opinion.

Cervantes · 01-31-2005, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ariekitten

thanks lebell for clearing up the title confusion. i think it's dumb and wrong to imprison someone just because they "expressed" disgust for something/someone. i express my disgust for crappy teeny-bopper pop singers (who lipsync) like Ashlee Simpson all the time, but i guess i can because i live in america, whereas in sweden i guess you can't express your opinions?
it's one thing to give your opinion on a subject (i.e. homosexuality) but another to discriminate. if the guy didn't go commit a hate crime or discriminate against a homosexual, then i think he, a man who dislikes homosexuals, should be allowed to say as much as homosexuals and their supporters are allowed to say on the subject. but that's just my opinion.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...8&postcount=12

It's not about expressing disgust it's about agitating to rouse action against a protected group.

Thermopyle · 02-01-2005, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cervantes

It's not about expressing disgust it's about agitating to rouse action against a protected group.

Ah, that's a better way to express yourself.

And no, I dont belive you should put in jail for expressing disgust againt a soccer team or something else. But using some kind of public position and agitate against a group that are protected by the law because of their vulnerable position in society and discriminate them (in this case, not allowing gays to join the parish) should be against the law. The degree of the punishment is another question.

In the swedish law homosexuals are one of the group of people that are protected againts discrimination and slander. The reason is of course historic; years of persecution and violence against them and others, are being rooted out.

Willravel · 02-01-2005, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Slavakion

Wow, God hates a lot of places/people, huh? Kinda makes me wonder if all those passages in the New Testament about God loving everyone were typos.

Good point! God does love all His children. Wasn't it Jesus who hung out with lepors, prostitutes and tax collecters? God embraces all His children. I guess Åke missed that fax.

01-30-2005, 04:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
Thermopyle Crazy Location: Top of the World, Mom!	Sweden - the Fag loving country. In sweden they're just trying a new law againts discrimination of gay people. A preacher, Åke Green, deliberately expressed his diguste for homosexuals in public. He was condemned to 3 months of prison and now the case is up in a higher court. The funny part is that a baptist church in the states has involved themself in this question. And the way they do it, well it's funny! http://www.godhatesfags.com/featured...al_family.html http://www.godhatessweden.com/ __________________ Live life like you're gonna die, beacause you're gonna! - William Shatner. Last edited by Thermopyle; 01-30-2005 at 06:47 AM..

01-30-2005, 09:15 AM	#3 (permalink)
lurkette My future is coming on Moderator Emeritus Location: east of the sun and west of the moon	He was arrested for expressing disgust? There's a difference between having an opinion and discriminating based on that opinion. If you're going to protect unpopular populations, I think you have to be consistent and extend that protection to unpopular opinions of unpopular populations. (?) Repressing differences of opinion - no matter how ignorant they might be - doesn't do anybody any favors. __________________ "If ten million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France

01-30-2005, 10:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
Jonsgirl Semi-Atomic Location: Home.	I love finding new things that God hates. And they even provide games along with all thier information. If I can learn things and play games, this is the place for me! Sign me up to be a hateful, ignorant, narrow-minded, bigot!!! __________________ Someday, someone will best me. But it won't be today, and it won't be you.

01-30-2005, 10:36 AM	#9 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	I have no idea what god Fred Phelps worships, but He isn't the same one I worship. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

01-30-2005, 10:57 AM	#11 (permalink)
Brooke Crazy	Amen Lebell. I am from a big traditional Lutheran family, and it is crap like this that makes even someone like me want to shun organized religion. I will paraphrase Men in Black cause I can't find the actual quote Tommy Lee Jones "A person is smart: People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals..." __________________ And so its over Your fantasy life is finally at an end And the world above is still a brutal place And the story will start again

01-30-2005, 06:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
PulpMind Addict Location: Portland	because the "godhatesfags.com" people are always a solid source of information for non-descrimatory information and level headed news. bravo to sweden for taken the counter hard-nosed steps necessary to weed out the lesser evolved beings in their country.

01-30-2005, 09:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
Slavakion Mjollnir Incarnate Location: Lost in thought	Wow, God hates a lot of places/people, huh? Kinda makes me wonder if all those passages in the New Testament about God loving everyone were typos.

01-30-2005, 10:04 AM	#6 (permalink)
degrawj I'm still waiting... Location: West Linn, OR	Okay, I'm seriously not trying to be condescending or judgemental here. I just want somebody to explain to me how the people who run those websites can consider themselves true Christians.

01-30-2005, 10:23 AM	#8 (permalink)
blitz.fenix Insane Location: Toronto	IS it possible for people of religions to actually love everything?

01-30-2005, 10:50 AM	#10 (permalink)
Rodney Observant Ruminant Location: Rich Wannabe Hippie Town	I've seen the man on TV. I don't know how he got that way, but he is a raving, hating freak. He has several sons and daughters who are all stalwart members of his church and who, under his direction, got law degrees so that they can get him out of any mess that he gets himself into, free of charge. And also sue anybody and anything they want to, free of charge.

01-30-2005, 01:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
Blaspheme Tilted Location: Oregon, USA	Gee, what an abhorrent thread title. I was under the impression that kind of language (used in an insulting context) was frowned upon here. Then again, I'm new, and maybe I'm confused. If someone can really be arrested and charged with a crime just for speaking their mind in Sweden, then I am doubly glad to be living in the USA instead. As for the people behind sites like "godhatesfags.com", it's almost amusing that they are their own worst enemies. Any reasonable person who reads that drivel is going to be inclined to take the opposite stance from them just out of sheer disgust for the way they express themselves. __________________ Faith: not wanting to know what is true. ~Friedrich Nietzsche

01-30-2005, 01:45 PM	#14 (permalink)
ICER Chilled to Perfection Location: Dallas, TX	I don't think God hates, I think people hate. And name God as their reason for hating something. Its amazing to me that every time I went to church, there was something new that God hated. And very little God loved other then blind obedience. I don't think of God as a all powerful entity that I have to bow down and worship ( In truth, if I HAD to do it. then my faith would be forced and empty) I think of him as a father figure who advises me through life. As for the being locked up for just stating your opinion. I'm glad I'm in the USA. But being an American isn't easy. It’s where someone can scream at the top of their lungs something that you would spend a lifetime defending at the top of yours. Sadly, not everyone has learned that it’s OK, to have a difference of opinion or that not everyone views the world the same way you do. __________________ What's the difference between congress and a penitentiary? One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers and threats to society. The other is for housing prisoners. ~~David Letterman

01-30-2005, 02:05 PM	#16 (permalink)
martinguerre whosoever Location: New England	well, i'll just say that i'm still not happy to see it. i understand that it's in satire...but it's still a word that i am on the recieving end of way too often. I just don't think it's okay to use casually. __________________ For God so loved creation, that God sent God's only Son that whosoever believed should not perish, but have everlasting life. -John 3:16

01-30-2005, 02:11 PM	#18 (permalink)
clavus pow! Location: NorCal	God is love. "God hates" is BS. "fags" is totally in context here. I have no problem with it. __________________ Ass, gas or grass. Nobody rides for free.

01-30-2005, 02:39 PM	#19 (permalink)
BuDDaH The Matrix had a point... Moderator Emeritus Location: 10th Mountain ASB Fort Drum, N.Y.	This is all garbage. The priest got lock up for trying to incite his members of the congregation to go out and actually hurt people who even seemed gay. You should LEARN to read Swedish or not believe everything before getting the facts. Also, where are your common sense: Take a look at the site that info comes from. It blames every natural disaster up to the WTC bombing on the gays. Please, look at the tacky scheme of the site, does it even looks like it would have ANY reliable source of information? Get with it , people. Post like this shouldn't exist. __________________ I'd hit that so hard whoever could pull me out would become King of England!

01-30-2005, 05:43 PM	#21 (permalink)
Dyze Crazy	How can someone be so stupid? And how stupid have you to be to follow someone like this? If I would see that guy I would try to get in a fight with him and kick his ass real hard. I am sure god would not help him. __________________ Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do.

01-30-2005, 05:55 PM	#22 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	One afternoon I spent a few hours reading up on Fred Phelps. It is a scary, sordid tale of a cultish family run church that is under the absolute control of Phelps. I didn't save any of the webpages, but I'm sure if you googled "Fred Phelps" you can find them. This lunatic fringe element is only worth knowing about in order to be aware that people like this actually exist and are trying to push their agendas. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

01-30-2005, 05:59 PM	#23 (permalink)
hunnychile Alien Anthropologist Location: Between Boredom and Nirvana	There is nothing funny about HATE. It kills people and it's wrong. As Christ said in the Bible, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." __________________ "I need compassion, understanding and chocolate." - NJB

01-30-2005, 06:05 PM	#24 (permalink)
mrklixx President Rick Location: location location	Maybe only guys named Phelps are allowed to have impossible missions. And as to "God" not hating, has anyone actually read the old testament? __________________ This post is content. If you don't like it then you are not content. Or perhaps just incontinent. This is not a link - Do not click here I hate animated avatars.

01-30-2005, 07:40 PM	#26 (permalink)
RCAlyra2004 Crazy Location: North of the 50th Parallel	Thermopyle, You have a large number of your facts wrong. I am sorry to say there is nothing new about Swedens anti-discrimination laws. Also... Ake didn't just express disgust . I Looked up the story about why he was convicted and realised that you have probably only listened to the Baptist Church version of the truth. I could post it all here but I have to admit I am offened by the whole premise of your thread. BUT.... it sure brings to light how disgusting the Fundamentalist agenda has really become. They are only concerned with societal control... and they are willing to beat society into compliance.... They do not understand love. I think God hates that people that made those web pages.... I am Disgusted by this thread! __________________ Living on the edge of sanity

01-31-2005, 12:30 PM	#31 (permalink)
Thermopyle Crazy Location: Top of the World, Mom!	Well, I'm very sorry if I have offended anyone here by using the word fag in the title. As most understand it's a quote from the "godhateseverybody.com"-page and used ironically here. As a non-american I didnt realize the word "fag" could be offending. The point of me posting this thread was curiosity. I was woundering what your reaction of both the law and of Phelps was. But I really dont understyand why some think this thread is disgusting. And about the facts. No maybe I didnt get I all right but I know that this is the first time the law is "tested" and me and my freinds had had alot of discussions about it. Is freedom of speech above all hatred or should some things not to be allowed to express publicly? Personally I think it should be illegal. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are ok as long as they dont hurt individuals or groups indirect or direct. __________________ Live life like you're gonna die, beacause you're gonna! - William Shatner.

01-31-2005, 03:50 PM	#35 (permalink)
drakers Psycho Location: IOWA	I was looking at that "funny" (disgusting) website and I took a look at the FAQ's and this is one of the most disgusting things that I read: Why do you say "Thank God For September 11?" For several reasons. First, God ordained and decreed these acts. He determined in eternity to hurl those airplanes like fiery darts out of the sky. He used the evil followers of Osama bin Laden to punish even more evil people, just as He used the evil, blood-thirsty Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar, His servant, to punish wicked Judah (Jeremiah 25:9). As the sovereign Creator, His acts by definition are perfect and all humans are duty bound to be grateful for all that He does. "Shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?" Amos 3:6. You are supremely arrogant and evil if you don't believe that your Creator was responsible for September 11. Second, the saints of God watch for the return of Christ. The worse this world becomes in its institutionalized iniquity, the greater the hope that the return of Christ is nigh. September 11 took things to a new level. That is a good reason to thank God. Third, this nation is awash in arrogant disobedience to God. By all that is just, God is fully entitled to utterly destroy the nation immediately. The fact that instead He gave us a fair warning on September 11 is something that those who fear and obey God as all mankind is bound to do are thankful for this warning. Of course, the perverse people of this evil nation are not getting the hint, and instead of repenting in sackcloth and ashes, they continue to spit in God's face. "And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not." Revelation 2:21. Anyone here agree with this ridiculous talk of how God wanted this to happen say, "I believe". Anyone who disagrees with this websites thinking should write to them saying how disgusting their retorhic sounds (though it would probably do little).

01-31-2005, 08:38 PM	#37 (permalink)
ariekitten bAck iN aCtiOn! Location: in my imagination	thanks lebell for clearing up the title confusion. i think it's dumb and wrong to imprison someone just because they "expressed" disgust for something/someone. i express my disgust for crappy teeny-bopper pop singers (who lipsync) like Ashlee Simpson all the time, but i guess i can because i live in america, whereas in sweden i guess you can't express your opinions? it's one thing to give your opinion on a subject (i.e. homosexuality) but another to discriminate. if the guy didn't go commit a hate crime or discriminate against a homosexual, then i think he, a man who dislikes homosexuals, should be allowed to say as much as homosexuals and their supporters are allowed to say on the subject. but that's just my opinion. __________________ I am known as Valentinez Alkalinella Xifax Sicidabohertz Gombigobilla Blue Stradivari Talentrent Pierre Andri Charton-Haymoss Ivanovici Baldeus George Doitzel Kaiser III. Don't hesitate to call. ~Vash, Trigun >'.'< kitty kitty, meow ^..^~