01-24-2005, 03:01 AM | #1 (permalink) | |
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Christian guys need to stop being wussy men
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01-24-2005, 03:11 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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What do you think about this subject?
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01-24-2005, 06:15 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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some interesting reviews at Amazon about this book. "Polarizing" sounds about right. I'm tempted to pick up the audio CD and throw it on my iPod.
The topic sounds accurate, if dated.
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01-24-2005, 08:24 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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One ironic thing I noticed here. Doesn't " Movies like "Braveheart" and "Legends of the Fall" are on the viewing list for men in a growing Christian movement..." followed by " 'The guy who sits in front of the television is unengaged...' " sound a little contradictory?? The suggestion to watch these movies is counterproductive.
It's a good goal they're encouraging. Definately not the best means to reach that end. NOT well thought out.
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01-24-2005, 09:16 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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Um...I don't get it. I fail to see how "having a passion" and "being a nice guy" are mutually exclusive. Maybe if he phrased it differently - instead of "nice guy" you could say "lazy self-absorbed slug" and THAT would make sense. But I don't see why this would just apply to Christians - I think it would apply to 90% of the population, myself included.
Sounds like it's trying to hop on the "men's movement" bandwagon...about 15 years too late, and poorly executed. Guess I'd have to read the whole book to get the full effect of the argument, but I have some popcorn to pop and some sinful tv to watch.
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01-24-2005, 09:21 AM | #10 (permalink) |
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The thing everyone needs to understand is that passive aggressive emotionally manipulative men have claimed the title "nice guy" as their own. There is nothing wrong with being a nice guy. There is something wrong when you think not being a complete asshole is the only prerequisite for nice guy status.
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01-24-2005, 12:08 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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well... I am an extremely reserved person, I usually use my intelligence to fight my own battles, but if someone wants to fight me, I'll stand up for myself, along with others I care about. I'd rather be reserved because I have more fun than just "being a warrior" and going out and doing stupid stuff... but i think that "warrior" and "nice guy" needs to be better defined. I think the nice guy as said before me, would be the guy who plays with his kids, instead of sitting in front of the boob-tube. I don't know, its like people want to have a good vs. evil kind of thing in daily life, everyone wants to be good and anything they aren't MIGHT be considered evil. C'est la vie.
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01-24-2005, 12:10 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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i think one of the problems that this might be trying to address is a perception/reality that certain strains of evangelic Christianity produce men who are very intent on doing the right thing, but don't always have a lot of risk taking behavior. this in turn presents a challenge to traditional gender roles, especially when women have to ask men out, etc.. www.boundless.org (Focus on the Family's site for college age folks) has some good articles on the subject. Their objective is of course to restore "traditional" gender values, but on the way they describe the issue well.
Balancing risk taking and prudence is always a good idea...not having seen this program on the ground i won't comment on if it does a good job of that.
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01-24-2005, 02:26 PM | #15 (permalink) |
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Wild At Heart by John Eldredge isn't about being a "christian wuss" it's about finding the passion, the love, the sense of adventure in your life that should be there. John isn't saying that being a nice guy is the wrong way to go about things, he's saying that men are being forced into being the "Nice Guy".
Some men are happy with their lives as the good guys. He is just pointing out that all christian men are being forced into this now and that they shouldn't have to be. That those who are not content with this should find what they need... and not settle for it.
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01-24-2005, 02:59 PM | #17 (permalink) | |
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01-24-2005, 03:06 PM | #18 (permalink) | |
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Can't we be a nice guy and a warrior as well? I like to think of myself as a warrior (metaphorically speaking of course). There is nothing that says that we can't be tender and loving. But if the cause is right. To strap on a sword (again metaphorically speaking) and fight for something we believe in.
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01-25-2005, 05:26 PM | #22 (permalink) |
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There's a distinction between guys who are nice and "Nice Guys". The author of the book is classifying "Nice Guys" as the doormat/wallflower types who sit back and watch their lives happen around them without having any of the direction to make themselves feel like what they are doing is important.
This guy is just one of a fairly new breed of sociologists that are arguing that American culture is effemizing its men. Especially in Christian culture, where the virtues of humility and compassion are given primacy, it's easy for men to be lulled into suppressing the urges to build and conquer that have motivated most of history. He's saying that there isn't anything wrong with being a strong, assertive, driven man. He isn't saying that there's anything wrong with being nice. The very problem he's addressing is the current social misconception that to be 'nice' is to be spineless and submissive.
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01-27-2005, 06:14 PM | #24 (permalink) |
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warrior and nice guy are not mutually exclusive... I consider myself both. Just cherish who and what you have, and protect it, and you're all good.
Men are'nt men like they were 60 years ago tho, at least thats how I see it. Do you think we could pull off a invasion of France with the young men today? I would surely hope so, but it doesn't seem likely, but to be fair, no one thought we could do that back then either, but we did. The tradition of teaching young men the, I dunno even know how to put it, the nature of the world mebbe and how to deal with it, seems to be evaporating quickly... no one seems to consider it important to teach their son how to shoot a firearm anymore, mebbe its just me, but how can you in good conscience have a son and not teach him how to properly utilize a rifle? Why are kids so molly coddled, and encouraged to find a third party whenever they encounter any sort of trouble with one of their peers? My dad was the type who would just kinda raise his eyebrow at me when I complained about whoever picking on me or whatever, I was encouraged to handle things myself however I felt was necessary. I think that's where my confidence comes from today... bottom line is, in todays society no one thinks ANYTHING is worth fighting over, and thats just not true. Theres lots of stuff worth fighting, killing, and dying for. Mebbe its just our society slowly imploding, mebbe its the governments 1984 aspirations, I dunno. But I'll tell you this, the day that we no longer have men ready and willing to do violence on all our behalf is the day we all start speaking russian, or whatever language whoever wants to obliterate us at the time speaks edit: and this is not a problem with christian men, its a problem with most american men. we, in general, just don't have any teeth anymore
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