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Mephisto2 · 01-19-2005, 07:42 PM

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Doctor Death's toll now 352 murders: inquiry
January 20, 2005 - 9:12AM

Harold Shipman, the family doctor who became Britain's worst-ever serial killer, may have killed 137 patients as a young trainee on top of the 215 killings already attributed to him, an inquiry revealed.

Shipman, who hanged himself aged 57 in his prison cell in January last year, is believed to have carried out some murders while a trainee hospital doctor in Yorkshire, northern England, between 1970 and 1974.

An inquiry set up to investigate Shipman's decades of murder will publish a new report later this month "into 137 deaths that occurred between 1970 and 1974", a preliminary statement by the inquiry team said.

The official probe, led by High Court judge Dame Janet Smithwill, has previously concluded that Shipman was responsible for the deaths of at least 215 of his patients while he worked as a family doctor.

The victims, many elderly women, were killed by lethal injections of morphine over a 23-year period, either at Shipman's one-man practice in Manchester, in the north of England, or at their homes.

The most prolific serial killer ever to be convicted in Britain, Shipman was jailed for life in January 2000 on 15 sample counts of murder. He always denied his crimes.

Smithwill's inquiry team, which was set up following Shipman's conviction in court, will publish their findings about the possible earlier killings on January 27.

Entitled Shipman: The Final Report, it is the sixth report to be published by the team.

The fifth report, published in December, lambasted Britain's medical watchdog, the General Medical Council, for "looking after their own" rather than protecting patients from bad doctors.

AFP

REF: http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Doc...110843686.html

How can one man get away with over 350 (THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY!) murders?! It's almost beyond belief.

Does this make him the world's worst serial killer? If we discount the likes of Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot of course.

I don't know. I'm just aghast, even though I've been familiar with this story for a few years. This latest revelation just makes it worse.

Mr Mephisto

frogza · 01-19-2005, 07:48 PM

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The fifth report, published in December, lambasted Britain's medical watchdog, the General Medical Council, for "looking after their own" rather than protecting patients from bad doctors.

This is the part that scares me. How many other are they "protecting"

JumpinJesus · 01-19-2005, 08:09 PM

If, as a young trainee (in the words of the article), 137 of his patients died, why didn't anyone question his ability to heal people?

Since I'm not a doctor, and don't even play one with my wife, maybe it seemed reasonable to have that many patients die?

M.T. Promises · 01-20-2005, 12:36 AM

He was working with the elderly. Like the line from Old School "Old people die. It's what they do."

Mephisto2 · 01-20-2005, 06:49 AM

No, not 137. 137 ADDITIONAL murders.

His total is now suspected to be above 350.

Mr Mephisto

Averett · 01-20-2005, 06:58 AM

Wasn't he a Jack Kevorkian type? Doctor-assisted suicide and all that?

Mephisto2 · 01-20-2005, 07:00 AM

No.

He murdered his mostly elderly patients with an injection of morphine to the brain. It's all in the article.

Mr Mephisto

jwoody · 01-20-2005, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto

Does this make him the world's worst serial killer?

Surely you mean the best serial killer.

I'll get me coat...

Averett · 01-20-2005, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto

No.

He murdered his mostly elderly patients with an injection of morphine to the brain. It's all in the article.

Okay. But... that doesn't really answer the question. Couldn't you assist people with killin themselves via injections of morphine to the brain?

Edit: Just did a quick Google thingy, and most sites say nothing about a motive. So I guess he was just a nutjob who killed a buncha folks.

But like jwoody said, I'd call him the worlds best serial killer too

Charlatan · 01-20-2005, 07:11 AM

I'm pretty sure he was assisting them against their will...

munchen · 01-20-2005, 04:09 PM

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Surely you mean the best serial killer.

What about calling him the worlds most effective serial killer. I Think the best serial killer would be no serial killer.

Coppertop · 01-20-2005, 04:16 PM

Shit, at over 300 he had to be the best/worst at what he did: either the world's best serial killer or the world's worst doctor. So much for the Hippocratic oath.

Side note - Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot would qualify as mass murderers, not serial killers, methinks.

Mephisto2 · 01-20-2005, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Coppertop

Side note - Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot would qualify as mass murderers, not serial killers, methinks.

You are right, of course.

Mr Mephisto

Coppertop · 01-20-2005, 04:30 PM

You know, it is kinda funny imagining Stalin as a serial killer. How long would it take to kill 20,000,000 people individually? Talk about exhaustion!

edit - insofar as murder can be considered funny

edit again - now I am reminded of that line from Natural Born Killers:

"Don't get us wrong..."
"Yeah, we respect human life and all, but if I were a serial killer, I'd be Mickey and Malorie."

01-19-2005, 08:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
JumpinJesus Junkie Location: Chicago	If, as a young trainee (in the words of the article), 137 of his patients died, why didn't anyone question his ability to heal people? Since I'm not a doctor, and don't even play one with my wife, maybe it seemed reasonable to have that many patients die? __________________ "I can normally tell how intelligent a man is by how stupid he thinks I am" - Cormac McCarthy, All The Pretty Horses

01-20-2005, 06:58 AM	#6 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	Wasn't he a Jack Kevorkian type? Doctor-assisted suicide and all that? __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

01-20-2005, 07:11 AM	#10 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I'm pretty sure he was assisting them against their will... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

01-20-2005, 04:30 PM	#14 (permalink)
Coppertop Getting Medieval on your ass Location: 13th century Europe	You know, it is kinda funny imagining Stalin as a serial killer. How long would it take to kill 20,000,000 people individually? Talk about exhaustion! edit - insofar as murder can be considered funny edit again - now I am reminded of that line from Natural Born Killers: "Don't get us wrong..." "Yeah, we respect human life and all, but if I were a serial killer, I'd be Mickey and Malorie." Last edited by Coppertop; 01-20-2005 at 04:35 PM..

01-20-2005, 12:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
M.T. Promises Upright	He was working with the elderly. Like the line from Old School "Old people die. It's what they do."

01-20-2005, 06:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	No, not 137. 137 ADDITIONAL murders. His total is now suspected to be above 350. Mr Mephisto

01-20-2005, 07:00 AM	#7 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	No. He murdered his mostly elderly patients with an injection of morphine to the brain. It's all in the article. Mr Mephisto

01-20-2005, 04:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
Coppertop Getting Medieval on your ass Location: 13th century Europe	Shit, at over 300 he had to be the best/worst at what he did: either the world's best serial killer or the world's worst doctor. So much for the Hippocratic oath. Side note - Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot would qualify as mass murderers, not serial killers, methinks.