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ARTelevision · 05-22-2003, 07:55 AM

hmm...
Interesting trend. Humans as weapons.
Electrifying!
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Shocking New Jacket Hits Street
from Wired

May. 22, 2003

A new anti-assault device for women wards off potential assailants with an 80,000-volt electric shock.

Dubbed "exo-electric armor," the No-Contact Jacket looks like an ordinary fashionable women's coat. But an inner layer of conductive fiber carries a low-amp charge that delivers a nasty but non-lethal shock to anyone who messes with its wearer.

"It's kind of like sticking your finger in a wall socket," said Adam Whiton, one of its designers. "It hurts. If someone tries to grab you from behind, they get the full, hefty shock out of it. That's really painful."

Designed by Whiton, an industrial designer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Yolita Nugent, head designer at Advanced Research Apparel, the jacket is intended to be an alternative to handguns, pepper sprays and rape whistles.

Video

A flip of a switch repels would-be attackers.

Unlike weapons and sprays, the jacket can't be grabbed from a woman and used against her. And it's not as lethal as a gun.

"We initially thought the idea was a little extreme," said Whiton. "But we got a lot of positive feedback. It defends, it protects and it gives confidence to women. By encasing the whole body in this electric fence, it forms a barrier that people just shouldn't enter into."

The jacket is made from Aracon, a conductive fiber developed by DuPont, which is sandwiched between an inner rubber lining which protects the wearer from shocks and an outer layer of waterproof nylon.

Powered by a regular 9-volt battery, which builds a high-voltage but low-amp charge through a series of step-up circuits, the jacket uses technology similar to the circuitry in stun guns and bark-deterring dog collars. While the charge is enough to deliver a jolt, it won't kill anyone, Whiton said.

To prevent accidental discharges, the wearer must arm the jacket before it can deliver a shock. A lock on the sleeve must first be opened with a key, and then the charge is built up by holding down a button inside one of the sleeves.

The idea is to charge it only in threatening situations or when the wearer feels vulnerable, Whiton said. A woman might arm it when she's walking to her car at night, for instance.

When charged, the jacket crackles audibly. A pair of slits in the outer lining shows the electric arcs that course across the entire middle layer. It's an impressive display of the jacket's power.

Video

When charged, the jacket sparks and emits an "evil" crackling sound.

Whiton said the "really evil crackling sound" makes him flinch involuntarily: The shocks he received testing the jacket conditioned him to associate the sound with pain.

The jacket is designed for women only. Its small size and narrow armholes are intended to prevent men from using it as an offensive weapon. Whiton conceded that women could use it offensively, and that it would be hard for police to arrest anyone wearing one.

Three female volunteers currently are testing prototypes in the field. The designers plan to put it into limited production by the end of the year. It should cost around $1,000. They are approaching apparel manufacturers who might mass-produce it and thereby lower the cost.

Whiton said he has consulted with lawyers about potential liability issues, and has been given the green light. As long as the jacket is not used to commit a crime, there shouldn't be any problems, he said.

Steve Tuttle, a spokesman for stun-gun manufacturer Taser International, concurred that Whiton and Nugent were unlikely to face lawsuits as long as the jacket is used for self-defense.

"We've never been sued for civilian usage or product liability claims, and we've been in business for nine years," he said.

However, attorney Margot Barg, a product liability specialist based in the San Francisco Bay Area, said claims may arise if the wearer is shocked.

"You might run into some problems if it shocked the person wearing it," she said.

Although the jacket is designed for women, there might be a market for a men's version. Tuttle said Tasers originally were marketed as self-defense devices for women, but the company sells as many to men as to women.

In fact, statistics from the Department of Justice show men are more likely to be victims of violent crime than women.

In addition, most violent crime against women is committed not by strangers, but by people they know.

According to the Department of Justice, 5.7 million violent personal crimes -- rapes, robberies, assaults -- were reported in 2001, the most recent year for which figures are available. Men accounted for 3.1 million victims and women for 2.6 million. Of the crimes against women, 32 percent were committed by strangers, while the remaining 68 percent were committed by family members, friends or acquaintances.

One of the jacket's testers, geologist Elizabeth Zbinden, said she wears the jacket frequently -- not for protection, but because it looks good.

"It's an attractive jacket," she said. "It's the highest fashion, (the) most haute couture thing I own."

Zbinden said she charges up the jacket only to show it off to friends, who are "suitably awed." The only person she's shocked has been her test subject -- her husband.

"I've never had an occasion to use it," she said. "I guess I don't lead a very hazardous or frightened life. I'm not the kind of person who carries pepper spray in my purse.... My life is such that I don't need to be afraid."
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for pics and vids:
Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/technology...,58914,00.html
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What do I think of this?
It has some good aspects to it - you know safer on the street, etc.
It also demonstrates where we are going in our evolution to become sci-fi action thriller characters.
You know, the Matrix we are building for ourselves?
It's gonna be a horror flick, dude.

Prophecy · 05-22-2003, 08:14 AM

sounds kinda neat in theory, of course it would suck to sneak up on a friend and have them shock the hell of you when you grab their shoulder

but also i wonder about battery life and water resistance. "Caution: Don't wear jacket when it rains..."

Cynthetiq · 05-22-2003, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prophecy
sounds kinda neat in theory, of course it would suck to sneak up on a friend and have them shock the hell of you when you grab their shoulder

but also i wonder about battery life and water resistance. "Caution: Don't wear jacket when it rains..."

or standing in puddles...

Lebell · 05-22-2003, 09:29 AM

Hmmm,

Interesting article and concept. I don't know tho. I can just picture some women charging in in crowds such as a subway and some poor person brushing against her only to get zapped.

Not to mention the problems of rain and zapping yourself.

Minx · 05-22-2003, 09:44 AM

I have this mental picture running through my head now.....guy spots his lady on the street, sneaks up behind her to give her a big kiss and bear hug....ZAP!!!!
lmao...I find this hilarious in a warped way.

hrdwareguy · 05-22-2003, 09:52 AM

I like the concept. I don't like the whole having to unlock it with a key and hold a button down to charge it.

BTW, how does one discharge this jacket after it's been charged? How does one take it off after it's been charged and not used?

denim · 05-22-2003, 09:56 AM

And why go with a little 9V? I seem to remember a 45V battery which looked like a very long 9V. I don't know if they still make it.

Prophecy · 05-22-2003, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hrdwareguy
BTW, how does one discharge this jacket after it's been charged? How does one take it off after it's been charged and not used?

Very carefully....
okay, bad joke but the jacket seems to have some quirks I'd want explained before I put it on thats for sure....

Glory's Sun · 05-22-2003, 09:58 AM

Interesting concept.. just seems like there could be some problems with it.. of course I guess there are problems with everything

seretogis · 05-22-2003, 10:12 AM

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Whiton said the "really evil crackling sound" makes him flinch involuntarily: The shocks he received testing the jacket conditioned him to associate the sound with pain.

mwahahaha

troit · 05-22-2003, 10:33 AM

$1000.00 -- steep price. I am also leery about the unlocking it on the sleeve and waiting to have it charge up...

mtsgsd · 05-22-2003, 10:39 AM

Another problem would be that it will have a very limited selection of color and style if there's any choice at all unless it becomes very sucessfull. That means that muggers will learn to recognize and avoid women with the jackets, or simply put on gloves first.
How do you keep from shocking someone you bump into in a crowd? You know someone will end up keeping armed at all times...

Glory's Sun · 05-22-2003, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by troit
$1000.00 -- steep price. I am also leery about the unlocking it on the sleeve and waiting to have it charge up...

hehe.. ok mister attacker hold on just a second I'm almost done charging up.. wait for it.. ok go ahead and attack now..

denim · 05-22-2003, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by denim
And why go with a little 9V? I seem to remember a 45V battery which looked like a very long 9V. I don't know if they still make it.

Update: I asked Eveready about this. The battery used to be used in industry, and it's no longer available. Ah well.

Lebell · 05-22-2003, 11:52 AM

I hear they're working on a backpack/purse version that uses a motorcycle battery.

(j/k)

rs8001 · 05-22-2003, 04:05 PM

Way too many problems: How long does it take to charge it? Accidental shocking (oops I forgot it was charged up). Assholes shocking people as a joke. Of course, there are times when it might be appropriate to touch someone like a tap on the shoulder. How long until its turned into an offensive weapon? Finally, would it be effective against someone who really wanted to bring you harm instead of pissing them off more? The article claims it won't harm anyone. What about special cases like those with heart problems etc?

It is a hell of an interesting idea but I don't know if I'd want to open myself (as a manufacturer) up to potential lawsuits. The aritce states "Steve Tuttle, a spokesman for stun-gun manufacturer Taser International, concurred that Whiton and Nugent were unlikely to face lawsuits as long as the jacket is used for self-defense. " How long before they face suits just from making a product that is quite likely to result in accidently shocking someone?

Eviltree · 05-22-2003, 04:25 PM

wow, I was thinking "now, couldn't this be used as a kickass weapon?"

WhoaitsZ · 05-22-2003, 04:26 PM

no fucking way. can you imagine how many "accidents" there would be?

"whoops, I tripped into five people I hate! sorry!"

I don't trust people with that kind of power.

maybe if its in her bra or panties (hear me out) so if it were an attack or rapest it would zap 'em, but a normal jacket? no, thats just too tempting.....

MSD · 05-22-2003, 08:51 PM

I was on the fencing team in high school. We had low-amperage 12v equipment. Sweating through it to the conductive layer hurt like a bitch. I don't want to bump into a woman wearing one of these and go flying back. Not only would it hurt, it would make me look like I was trying to attack her. If you've ever had an injury on an extremity, it's amazing to se how many times a day you bump it against something that you normally wouldn't notice. Sometimes, that thing is another person. What if that person is running at 80k volts? Is my heart going to act up? I smy watch going to still work? Is my mp3 player (not exactly cheap) going to get it? What do you do about the kid who decides that this is an ideal way to stop the bullies in school? The kid, the school, the manufacturer are all going to get sued.

Some things are better left alone.

05-22-2003, 07:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	What part of "Don't touch me" didn't you understand? hmm... Interesting trend. Humans as weapons. Electrifying! ............................... Shocking New Jacket Hits Street from Wired May. 22, 2003 A new anti-assault device for women wards off potential assailants with an 80,000-volt electric shock. Dubbed "exo-electric armor," the No-Contact Jacket looks like an ordinary fashionable women's coat. But an inner layer of conductive fiber carries a low-amp charge that delivers a nasty but non-lethal shock to anyone who messes with its wearer. "It's kind of like sticking your finger in a wall socket," said Adam Whiton, one of its designers. "It hurts. If someone tries to grab you from behind, they get the full, hefty shock out of it. That's really painful." Designed by Whiton, an industrial designer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Yolita Nugent, head designer at Advanced Research Apparel, the jacket is intended to be an alternative to handguns, pepper sprays and rape whistles. Video A flip of a switch repels would-be attackers. Unlike weapons and sprays, the jacket can't be grabbed from a woman and used against her. And it's not as lethal as a gun. "We initially thought the idea was a little extreme," said Whiton. "But we got a lot of positive feedback. It defends, it protects and it gives confidence to women. By encasing the whole body in this electric fence, it forms a barrier that people just shouldn't enter into." The jacket is made from Aracon, a conductive fiber developed by DuPont, which is sandwiched between an inner rubber lining which protects the wearer from shocks and an outer layer of waterproof nylon. Powered by a regular 9-volt battery, which builds a high-voltage but low-amp charge through a series of step-up circuits, the jacket uses technology similar to the circuitry in stun guns and bark-deterring dog collars. While the charge is enough to deliver a jolt, it won't kill anyone, Whiton said. To prevent accidental discharges, the wearer must arm the jacket before it can deliver a shock. A lock on the sleeve must first be opened with a key, and then the charge is built up by holding down a button inside one of the sleeves. The idea is to charge it only in threatening situations or when the wearer feels vulnerable, Whiton said. A woman might arm it when she's walking to her car at night, for instance. When charged, the jacket crackles audibly. A pair of slits in the outer lining shows the electric arcs that course across the entire middle layer. It's an impressive display of the jacket's power. Video When charged, the jacket sparks and emits an "evil" crackling sound. Whiton said the "really evil crackling sound" makes him flinch involuntarily: The shocks he received testing the jacket conditioned him to associate the sound with pain. The jacket is designed for women only. Its small size and narrow armholes are intended to prevent men from using it as an offensive weapon. Whiton conceded that women could use it offensively, and that it would be hard for police to arrest anyone wearing one. Three female volunteers currently are testing prototypes in the field. The designers plan to put it into limited production by the end of the year. It should cost around $1,000. They are approaching apparel manufacturers who might mass-produce it and thereby lower the cost. Whiton said he has consulted with lawyers about potential liability issues, and has been given the green light. As long as the jacket is not used to commit a crime, there shouldn't be any problems, he said. Steve Tuttle, a spokesman for stun-gun manufacturer Taser International, concurred that Whiton and Nugent were unlikely to face lawsuits as long as the jacket is used for self-defense. "We've never been sued for civilian usage or product liability claims, and we've been in business for nine years," he said. However, attorney Margot Barg, a product liability specialist based in the San Francisco Bay Area, said claims may arise if the wearer is shocked. "You might run into some problems if it shocked the person wearing it," she said. Although the jacket is designed for women, there might be a market for a men's version. Tuttle said Tasers originally were marketed as self-defense devices for women, but the company sells as many to men as to women. In fact, statistics from the Department of Justice show men are more likely to be victims of violent crime than women. In addition, most violent crime against women is committed not by strangers, but by people they know. According to the Department of Justice, 5.7 million violent personal crimes -- rapes, robberies, assaults -- were reported in 2001, the most recent year for which figures are available. Men accounted for 3.1 million victims and women for 2.6 million. Of the crimes against women, 32 percent were committed by strangers, while the remaining 68 percent were committed by family members, friends or acquaintances. One of the jacket's testers, geologist Elizabeth Zbinden, said she wears the jacket frequently -- not for protection, but because it looks good. "It's an attractive jacket," she said. "It's the highest fashion, (the) most haute couture thing I own." Zbinden said she charges up the jacket only to show it off to friends, who are "suitably awed." The only person she's shocked has been her test subject -- her husband. "I've never had an occasion to use it," she said. "I guess I don't lead a very hazardous or frightened life. I'm not the kind of person who carries pepper spray in my purse.... My life is such that I don't need to be afraid." ....................................... for pics and vids: Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/technology...,58914,00.html ........................................ What do I think of this? It has some good aspects to it - you know safer on the street, etc. It also demonstrates where we are going in our evolution to become sci-fi action thriller characters. You know, the Matrix we are building for ourselves? It's gonna be a horror flick, dude. __________________ create evolution

05-22-2003, 08:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
Prophecy Oracle & Apollyon Location: Limbus Patrum	sounds kinda neat in theory, of course it would suck to sneak up on a friend and have them shock the hell of you when you grab their shoulder but also i wonder about battery life and water resistance. "Caution: Don't wear jacket when it rains..." __________________ La Disciplina È La Mia Spada, La Fede È Il Mio Schermo, Non salti Ciecamente In Incertezza, E Potete Raccogliere Le Ricompense.

05-22-2003, 09:29 AM	#4 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	Hmmm, Interesting article and concept. I don't know tho. I can just picture some women charging in in crowds such as a subway and some poor person brushing against her only to get zapped. Not to mention the problems of rain and zapping yourself. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

05-22-2003, 09:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
Minx Junkie Location: Up yonder	I have this mental picture running through my head now.....guy spots his lady on the street, sneaks up behind her to give her a big kiss and bear hug....ZAP!!!! lmao...I find this hilarious in a warped way. __________________ You've been a naughty boy....go to my room!

05-22-2003, 09:52 AM	#6 (permalink)
hrdwareguy "Officer, I was in fear for my life" Location: Oklahoma City	I like the concept. I don't like the whole having to unlock it with a key and hold a button down to charge it. BTW, how does one discharge this jacket after it's been charged? How does one take it off after it's been charged and not used? __________________ Gun Control is hitting what you aim at Aim for the TFP, Donate Today

05-22-2003, 09:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
denim Banned Location: Massachusetts, USA	And why go with a little 9V? I seem to remember a 45V battery which looked like a very long 9V. I don't know if they still make it.

05-22-2003, 09:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	Interesting concept.. just seems like there could be some problems with it.. of course I guess there are problems with everything

05-22-2003, 10:33 AM	#11 (permalink)
troit Transfer Agent Location: NYC	$1000.00 -- steep price. I am also leery about the unlocking it on the sleeve and waiting to have it charge up... __________________ I've yet to dephile myself...

05-22-2003, 10:39 AM	#12 (permalink)
mtsgsd Addict Location: Wisconsin, USA	Another problem would be that it will have a very limited selection of color and style if there's any choice at all unless it becomes very sucessfull. That means that muggers will learn to recognize and avoid women with the jackets, or simply put on gloves first. How do you keep from shocking someone you bump into in a crowd? You know someone will end up keeping armed at all times...

05-22-2003, 11:52 AM	#15 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	I hear they're working on a backpack/purse version that uses a motorcycle battery. (j/k) __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

05-22-2003, 04:05 PM	#16 (permalink)
rs8001 Crazy Location: Indiana	Way too many problems: How long does it take to charge it? Accidental shocking (oops I forgot it was charged up). Assholes shocking people as a joke. Of course, there are times when it might be appropriate to touch someone like a tap on the shoulder. How long until its turned into an offensive weapon? Finally, would it be effective against someone who really wanted to bring you harm instead of pissing them off more? The article claims it won't harm anyone. What about special cases like those with heart problems etc? It is a hell of an interesting idea but I don't know if I'd want to open myself (as a manufacturer) up to potential lawsuits. The aritce states "Steve Tuttle, a spokesman for stun-gun manufacturer Taser International, concurred that Whiton and Nugent were unlikely to face lawsuits as long as the jacket is used for self-defense. " How long before they face suits just from making a product that is quite likely to result in accidently shocking someone?

05-22-2003, 04:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
Eviltree Psycho Location: British Columbia	wow, I was thinking "now, couldn't this be used as a kickass weapon?"

05-22-2003, 04:26 PM	#18 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	no fucking way. can you imagine how many "accidents" there would be? "whoops, I tripped into five people I hate! sorry!" I don't trust people with that kind of power. maybe if its in her bra or panties (hear me out) so if it were an attack or rapest it would zap 'em, but a normal jacket? no, thats just too tempting.....

05-22-2003, 08:51 PM	#19 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	I was on the fencing team in high school. We had low-amperage 12v equipment. Sweating through it to the conductive layer hurt like a bitch. I don't want to bump into a woman wearing one of these and go flying back. Not only would it hurt, it would make me look like I was trying to attack her. If you've ever had an injury on an extremity, it's amazing to se how many times a day you bump it against something that you normally wouldn't notice. Sometimes, that thing is another person. What if that person is running at 80k volts? Is my heart going to act up? I smy watch going to still work? Is my mp3 player (not exactly cheap) going to get it? What do you do about the kid who decides that this is an ideal way to stop the bullies in school? The kid, the school, the manufacturer are all going to get sued. Some things are better left alone.