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KinkyKiwi · 11-24-2004, 10:21 AM

Okay..weve all heard of kidnapping...but i bet you all thought your precious little bundle of joy was pretty much safe from that risk untill he/she was OUT...

Think again...

BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) -- Police said Tuesday they have arrested a woman in the abduction of an unborn baby who was cut from its mother's womb while she was unconscious.

Sol Angela Cartagena said she was with her 2-year-old daughter when she had a drink at a hospital cafeteria in Girardot, southwest of Bogota, and suddenly felt lightheaded.

"When I woke up I was in the countryside with my 2-year-old daughter beside me," the woman told RCN TV, adding that someone had performed a Caesarean section on her and taken her baby.

Carlos Cespedes, a gynecologist, confirmed that someone had removed Cartagena's baby. Apparently Cartagena had been drugged, causing her to black out before the operation. It was unclear where it was performed, but authorities said Cartagena was lucky to be alive.

"This is the strangest thing I've seen in my professional career, and I believe this patient had all the luck in the world in not dying before getting to the hospital," he said.

Police officer Gustavo Silva said the woman who allegedly stole the baby was found due to tips and that prosecutors are now handling the case. People who had seen the unidentified woman with a baby wrapped in a sheet called authorities because they knew she had not been pregnant and they did not know where the baby had come from.

The baby was dehydrated but otherwise reported in good condition.

No other details on the case were available.

Colombia has the world's highest kidnapping rate, with more than 3,000 abductions a year, but authorities said they knew of no other case here where an unborn child was abducted.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html

thoughts? is this any worse then stealing a baby whos already been born?

personally this really freaked me out...

billege · 11-24-2004, 10:28 AM

Personally. I don't beleive it.
Seems like an awfully huge amount of effort, when stealing a newborn would be so much simpler.
I'll have to wait for some more confirmation, until then this falls in the "bathtub of ice/kidney removal" stories.

KinkyKiwi · 11-24-2004, 10:32 AM

see at first i was like "hahaha oh for gods sake not another urban legend" but i dunno call me a sucker..but if its on CNN i tend to trust it...i'm pretty sure its from today so probably well start seeing more news on it..i'll keep my eyes, ears and laptop on it...

Averett · 11-24-2004, 10:33 AM

I thought I heard about somethign like this happened a few years ago here in the States...

ShaniFaye · 11-24-2004, 10:34 AM

This has happened several times in the US. I collect true crime books and one of them has the story of a woman who convinced people she was preggie then kidnapped a woman from church and did a c-section with car keys...killing the woman...then taking the baby and trying to convince the hospital she'd delivered the baby herself

then there is this story

Quote:

October 5, 2000
Web posted at: 12:10 p.m. EDT (1610 GMT)
In this story:

RAVENNA, Ohio (CNN) -- A week-old baby boy who was cut from the womb of his slain mother was released from a hospital Thursday, carried by his father. Michelle Bica, a neighbor who was caring for the child as her own and is suspected in the gruesome crime, committed suicide earlier this week.

The infant, named Oscar, cried briefly as a nurse and others strapped him into a car seat outside Robinson Memorial Hospital in Ravenna, Ohio.

Neighbors were skeptical when Bica said she had given birth -- so the heavyset woman showed them a baby boy last week to prove it.

But as police pieced together the truth, it now appears that Bica shot and killed Theresa Andrews, a pregnant neighbor, before slashing open the woman's womb and removing the baby in a brutal Caesarean section.
Bica
Michelle Bica lied to her neighbors, saying that she had just given birth to a baby boy
'She didn't look pregnant'

Authorities say Bica may have convinced her husband that she was pregnant because of her size.

She told her husband, Thomas, the baby was theirs and that she had given birth while he was working, Detective Greg Francis said Wednesday.

Blood samples from the infant and the presumed father, Jon Andrews, were being analyzed to confirm a genetic match. Results were expected Friday. Coroner Roger Marcial said a tissue sample also was taken from Theresa Andrews during an autopsy to help identify her as the baby's mother.

Bica, 39, killed herself Tuesday as police arrived to question her about the week-old disappearance of Theresa Andrews, who lived a few blocks away.

Andrews' body was later found buried in the dirt floor of Bica's garage, and the 8-pound, 6-ounce baby boy was found alive inside her home.

While Thomas Bica told police he believed his wife's story of giving birth, the couple's neighbors weren't so accepting.

"She kept telling neighbors she was pregnant and we couldn't get over it because she didn't look pregnant," said a woman who lives nearby. "Then, Monday she went over and said, 'Well, here's my baby.'"
Theresa Andrews and husband Jon
Theresa Andrews, who was killed and had her unborn baby taken from her body, with her husband Jon
No suicide note

The coroner said Andrews was shot once in the back and likely died instantly. The .22-caliber bullet matched ammunition in the gun Bica used to kill herself.

Bica left no note of explanation, Francis said.

Prosecutor Victor Vigluicci said the baby probably was delivered September 27, the day Andrews disappeared in Ravenna, a city of about 12,000 some 30 miles southeast of Cleveland.

The baby's due date was October 4.

The day Theresa Andrews disappeared, she had paged her husband at work and said a woman had called inquiring about a Jeep they were trying to sell. After Bica and Theresa Andrews met for a test drive, the pregnant woman was never seen again.

Jon Andrews, a sheet-metal worker, told police that when he got home that afternoon, the vehicle was gone and his wife was missing. Police found the vehicle about a block away and later found the Jeep keys in Bica's purse.

A series of cellular phone calls to the Andrews' house led police to Bica. There was no indication the women had known each other.

Thomas Bica, 41, a county corrections officer, was questioned and released. He had met his wife in 1994 while she served a jail sentence for receiving stolen property, Vigluicci said.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/10/0...an.killing.02/

its not really an uncommon thing

Averett · 11-24-2004, 10:35 AM

Yes! That's the one I remembered Shani

KinkyKiwi · 11-24-2004, 10:41 AM

aghh!! thats so creepy...and scarier..i was thinking this was just one loony in a poor country...*shiver*

oh btw...found another link to the same story i posted...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3778663.stm
http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/327259.htm

seems pretty real to me

ObieX · 11-24-2004, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by billege

Seems like an awfully huge amount of effort, when stealing a newborn would be so much simpler.

Seriously.

KinkyKiwi · 11-24-2004, 10:49 AM

hmm...maybe they wanted a baby without like any outside memories so that they could feel more connected to it?

scott_p_1 · 11-24-2004, 12:51 PM

that's got to be of the wierdest stuff I've ever heard of

KinkyKiwi · 11-24-2004, 12:53 PM

lol its of the weirdest stuff that i think anyones ever heard of!

11-24-2004, 12:56 PM

that is one of the scariest things i've ever read.

animosity · 11-24-2004, 12:57 PM

am I the only one that finds this humorous? I chuckled at school today when someone mentioned it and I got a bunch of dirty looks. I mean... seriously, if you can't find the humor in such a story I feel bad bad for you.

Averett · 11-24-2004, 12:59 PM

Umm... I guess there's something wrong with me. What about it is funny?

animosity · 11-24-2004, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Averett

Umm... I guess there's something wrong with me. What about it is funny?

not so much laugh out loud funny, just humorous, and mainly because it is complete BS. I don't believe that someone would go through that much trouble just for a baby. There is either more to the story, or it is complete BS.

either way, I may just have a sick sense of humor.

ShaniFaye · 11-24-2004, 01:25 PM

Well its well documented that is happend before...so what would it take for you to believe it?

denim · 11-24-2004, 01:29 PM

People who do this kind of thing need to be strangled on sight.

animosity · 11-24-2004, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

Well its well documented that is happend before...so what would it take for you to believe it?

hmm... I guess I should have read your post.

wow... that is insane. WTF is wrong with people!?

ShaniFaye · 11-24-2004, 01:40 PM

Aha!! I thought maybe you didnt lol

I wish I knew what was wrong with peope....Im still trying to forget knowing about the woman in texas that cut her baby's arms off

Samalie · 11-24-2004, 02:36 PM

Wierd IF true

ObieX · 11-24-2004, 02:40 PM

The strange thing is that the person who stole it was a woman. I'm sure she could have found some horny bastard to knock her up if she spread her legs. If it were a guy who did it i would understand (somewhat).

11-24-2004, 02:41 PM

I'd guess she just wanted to bypass the whole "carrying a child for 9 months" thing. Because i'm sure that has to be a pretty shitty thing to go through.
/not to say that the means justify the ends.

Fate · 11-24-2004, 02:43 PM

There's not much to say on this topic but WTF?
I'd institute these people and jam them so full of drugs that make you feel shitty for the rest of your life.

Stiltzkin · 11-24-2004, 06:36 PM

That's it, time for gene pool cleansing. C'mon people, sign up, grab a shotgun, and let's move out!

I'm tired of reading about bullshit like this. Bullshit as in... people being incredibly stupid. Cruel and unusual torture should be legalized, for special cases like this.

MSD · 11-24-2004, 06:42 PM

My brother and I were recently talking about crimes for which crucifixion should be reinstated. This is now on the list with rape and child molestation.

KinkyKiwi · 11-28-2004, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiltzkin

That's it, time for gene pool cleansing. C'mon people, sign up, grab a shotgun, and let's move out!

hmm..indeed...

pinkie · 11-28-2004, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

Aha!! I thought maybe you didnt lol

I wish I knew what was wrong with peope....Im still trying to forget knowing about the woman in texas that cut her baby's arms off

OMG... I know.

lurkette · 11-28-2004, 06:26 PM

Makes you wonder just where is the fine line between mere criminal behavior and stark fucking raving loony.

MSD · 11-28-2004, 08:37 PM

The child and mother were reunited today.

KinkyKiwi · 11-28-2004, 09:04 PM

^ well thats a least a good thing!

ElwoodBlues · 11-28-2004, 10:25 PM

how seriously fucked up does someone have to be to steal an unborn baby?

the fact that anyone could pull this shit makes me sick

embryodb · 11-29-2004, 01:00 AM

I hear ya elwood. The woman in the article that shot the pregnant woman and took her baby got off easy, commiting suicide. If I knew someone that did this to someone I knew, whether or not they were related to me in any way, I would hurt them. The whole "vigilanteism is wrong" argument is bullshit, because its not an eye for an eye for an eye, its you try to blind me i fucking kill you. Kinda got off topic there heheh.

zdman135 · 11-29-2004, 01:42 AM

Holy crap, i'm surprised this didn't get farked or something... this definitely tops my weirdest news of all times list...

11-24-2004, 10:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
KinkyKiwi "Without the fuzz" Location: ..too close for comfort..	Baby Stolen..from inside mommy.. Okay..weve all heard of kidnapping...but i bet you all thought your precious little bundle of joy was pretty much safe from that risk untill he/she was OUT... Think again... BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) -- Police said Tuesday they have arrested a woman in the abduction of an unborn baby who was cut from its mother's womb while she was unconscious. Sol Angela Cartagena said she was with her 2-year-old daughter when she had a drink at a hospital cafeteria in Girardot, southwest of Bogota, and suddenly felt lightheaded. "When I woke up I was in the countryside with my 2-year-old daughter beside me," the woman told RCN TV, adding that someone had performed a Caesarean section on her and taken her baby. Carlos Cespedes, a gynecologist, confirmed that someone had removed Cartagena's baby. Apparently Cartagena had been drugged, causing her to black out before the operation. It was unclear where it was performed, but authorities said Cartagena was lucky to be alive. "This is the strangest thing I've seen in my professional career, and I believe this patient had all the luck in the world in not dying before getting to the hospital," he said. Police officer Gustavo Silva said the woman who allegedly stole the baby was found due to tips and that prosecutors are now handling the case. People who had seen the unidentified woman with a baby wrapped in a sheet called authorities because they knew she had not been pregnant and they did not know where the baby had come from. The baby was dehydrated but otherwise reported in good condition. No other details on the case were available. Colombia has the world's highest kidnapping rate, with more than 3,000 abductions a year, but authorities said they knew of no other case here where an unborn child was abducted. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html thoughts? is this any worse then stealing a baby whos already been born? personally this really freaked me out... __________________ Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. Play with each other. Play with yourselves. Just don't play with the squirrels, they bite.

11-24-2004, 10:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
billege Watcher Location: Ohio	Personally. I don't beleive it. Seems like an awfully huge amount of effort, when stealing a newborn would be so much simpler. I'll have to wait for some more confirmation, until then this falls in the "bathtub of ice/kidney removal" stories. __________________ I can sum up the clash of religion in one sentence: "My Invisible Friend is better than your Invisible Friend."

11-24-2004, 10:32 AM	#3 (permalink)
KinkyKiwi "Without the fuzz" Location: ..too close for comfort..	see at first i was like "hahaha oh for gods sake not another urban legend" but i dunno call me a sucker..but if its on CNN i tend to trust it...i'm pretty sure its from today so probably well start seeing more news on it..i'll keep my eyes, ears and laptop on it... __________________ Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. Play with each other. Play with yourselves. Just don't play with the squirrels, they bite.

11-24-2004, 10:33 AM	#4 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	I thought I heard about somethign like this happened a few years ago here in the States... __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

11-24-2004, 10:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	Yes! That's the one I remembered Shani __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

11-24-2004, 10:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
KinkyKiwi "Without the fuzz" Location: ..too close for comfort..	aghh!! thats so creepy...and scarier..i was thinking this was just one loony in a poor country...shiver oh btw...found another link to the same story i posted... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3778663.stm http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/327259.htm seems pretty real to me __________________ Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. Play with each other. Play with yourselves. Just don't play with the squirrels, they bite.

11-24-2004, 10:49 AM	#9 (permalink)
KinkyKiwi "Without the fuzz" Location: ..too close for comfort..	hmm...maybe they wanted a baby without like any outside memories so that they could feel more connected to it? __________________ Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. Play with each other. Play with yourselves. Just don't play with the squirrels, they bite.

11-24-2004, 12:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
scott_p_1 Crazy	that's got to be of the wierdest stuff I've ever heard of

11-24-2004, 12:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
KinkyKiwi "Without the fuzz" Location: ..too close for comfort..	lol its of the weirdest stuff that i think anyones ever heard of! __________________ Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. Play with each other. Play with yourselves. Just don't play with the squirrels, they bite.

11-24-2004, 12:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
thinktank Guest	that is one of the scariest things i've ever read.

11-24-2004, 12:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
animosity on fire Location: Atlanta, GA	am I the only one that finds this humorous? I chuckled at school today when someone mentioned it and I got a bunch of dirty looks. I mean... seriously, if you can't find the humor in such a story I feel bad bad for you.

11-24-2004, 12:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	Umm... I guess there's something wrong with me. What about it is funny? __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

11-24-2004, 01:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	Well its well documented that is happend before...so what would it take for you to believe it? __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

11-24-2004, 01:29 PM	#17 (permalink)
denim Banned Location: Massachusetts, USA	People who do this kind of thing need to be strangled on sight.

11-24-2004, 01:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	Aha!! I thought maybe you didnt lol I wish I knew what was wrong with peope....Im still trying to forget knowing about the woman in texas that cut her baby's arms off __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

11-24-2004, 02:36 PM	#20 (permalink)
Samalie Tilted Location: Edmonton, Canada	Wierd IF true

11-24-2004, 02:40 PM	#21 (permalink)
ObieX Pickles Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)	The strange thing is that the person who stole it was a woman. I'm sure she could have found some horny bastard to knock her up if she spread her legs. If it were a guy who did it i would understand (somewhat). __________________ We Must Dissent.

11-24-2004, 02:41 PM	#22 (permalink)
thinktank Guest	I'd guess she just wanted to bypass the whole "carrying a child for 9 months" thing. Because i'm sure that has to be a pretty shitty thing to go through. /not to say that the means justify the ends.

11-24-2004, 02:43 PM	#23 (permalink)
Fate Crazy Location: Montreal	There's not much to say on this topic but WTF? I'd institute these people and jam them so full of drugs that make you feel shitty for the rest of your life. __________________ vB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is Off HTML code is Off

11-24-2004, 06:36 PM	#24 (permalink)
Stiltzkin Junkie	That's it, time for gene pool cleansing. C'mon people, sign up, grab a shotgun, and let's move out! I'm tired of reading about bullshit like this. Bullshit as in... people being incredibly stupid. Cruel and unusual torture should be legalized, for special cases like this. __________________ The most important thing in this world is love.

11-24-2004, 06:42 PM	#25 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	My brother and I were recently talking about crimes for which crucifixion should be reinstated. This is now on the list with rape and child molestation.

11-28-2004, 06:26 PM	#28 (permalink)
lurkette My future is coming on Moderator Emeritus Location: east of the sun and west of the moon	Makes you wonder just where is the fine line between mere criminal behavior and stark fucking raving loony. __________________ "If ten million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France

11-28-2004, 08:37 PM	#29 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	The child and mother were reunited today.

11-28-2004, 09:04 PM	#30 (permalink)
KinkyKiwi "Without the fuzz" Location: ..too close for comfort..	^ well thats a least a good thing! __________________ Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. Play with each other. Play with yourselves. Just don't play with the squirrels, they bite.

11-28-2004, 10:25 PM	#31 (permalink)
ElwoodBlues Psycho Location: Massachusetts	how seriously fucked up does someone have to be to steal an unborn baby? the fact that anyone could pull this shit makes me sick

11-29-2004, 01:00 AM	#32 (permalink)
embryodb Upright	I hear ya elwood. The woman in the article that shot the pregnant woman and took her baby got off easy, commiting suicide. If I knew someone that did this to someone I knew, whether or not they were related to me in any way, I would hurt them. The whole "vigilanteism is wrong" argument is bullshit, because its not an eye for an eye for an eye, its you try to blind me i fucking kill you. Kinda got off topic there heheh.

11-29-2004, 01:42 AM	#33 (permalink)
zdman135 Upright	Holy crap, i'm surprised this didn't get farked or something... this definitely tops my weirdest news of all times list...