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water_boy1999 · 11-22-2004, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rfra3645

so porn addictive as drugs.... absulutley... i think there are 2 kinds of people on this topic.. those that have no idea.. ( say no way...) those that know it is... either curently "use" or have "kicked" the habit......

These two types of people you speak of......are you referring to people who have tried heroin and have been addicted? If that is the case, then yes, I have no idea. If you are referring to people who like to look at porn, and still have no idea, then I have to completely disagree with your logic. Heroin users develop a physical, mental and emotional dependency to heroin. Have you ever seen someone walking down the street shaking because they haven't been able to look at some good vagina lately? I think not.

tropple · 11-22-2004, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rfra3645

so porn addictive as drugs.... absulutley... i think there are 2 kinds of people on this topic.. those that have no idea.. ( say no way...) those that know it is... either curently "use" or have "kicked" the habit.. i think i do qualify as addict.. have tried not to.. cannot.. im not syaing you will react the same but the basics are deffinlty the same GOT TO HAVE IT. like i said either you will understand this or you wont.... do i think there is somthing congress could do about this... hell no...its the same as evrey other addiction... you have to want to quit ..if you dont want to quit you wont....i guess really there is no other person to quit for excpet yourself....anyway.. my 2 cents yes porn is addictive....

Luke, embrace the dark side....

Porn is better than no porn. It's always ready and available, requires no tender words, doesn't mind if you fart, and couldn't care less if you ignore it when you're done.

Stompy · 11-22-2004, 10:54 AM

Man, talk about apples vs oranges...

Replace porn with video games, biting your nails, shopping, eating, drinking, laughing, sex, masturbation, and sleeping.. because they're all equally addicting.

Can one find immense pleasure in it to the point where that's all they want? Yep. You can also find immense pleasure in eating chocolate. You can find immense pleasure in spending 8 hours a day playing an MMORPG.

Heroin is a whole other story: your body NEEDS it if you're addicted to it. Same with cigarettes. You CAN live without them, but your body won't feel too good.

Porn, video game, eating, whatever addictions are mental. Some people can handle the urge to do em, some can't.

Ustwo · 11-22-2004, 11:01 AM

I don't understand how someone could become addicted to porn, but I don't understand addiction in general so I will not write it off as some of you have. I am still skeptical though.

My guess on 'porn addiction' is that you have fat housewives upset that their husbands don't find them attractive anymore and would rather jack off to pictures on the net than have sex with their bloated middle aged bodies. Calling it an addiction is a cop out for both of them, its no ones fault, he is just 'addicted' and needs help.

bermuDa · 11-22-2004, 11:25 AM

there are always people with weak wills who get hooked on something psychologically. Hardcore opiates like heroin, however, are NOT just a psychological habit. that comparison is moot.

However, there is a time and place for everything. Surfing porn while at work (unless it's a part of your job) is counter productive. The executive logged into porn sites for 8 hours should be doing his job instead of beating his wombhammer; though I'm guessing he just ties one off in the morning and doesn't log out of the site until he turns his computer off for the day.

My biggest beef with porn is the invasiveness of it. Porn sells itself, it doesn't need to be shoved in our faces for us to realize it's there. If someone is interested in beastiality or spanking or toe sucking porn, they'll go find it; they aren't going to wait for an ad to slip through their junk-mail filters. It's also very frustrating to check your email at work only to have hardcore photos of "pre-teens who love black cock in their asses" or "clueless young boy-sluts" take over your screen and make you trip over yourself trying to close the window before your coworkers see them and realize what a dirty mind the internet thinks you have. I believe this is just another form of harrassment akin to telemarketers, and should be abolished. If word of mouth isn't enough to get your revenue up, your porn site probably just sucks.

just my opinion.

xda · 11-22-2004, 11:54 AM

Chemical addiction to opiates like Heroin are a completely different thing to a psychological addiction to looking at porn.

Oh, and looking at porn will not kill you (or even make you go blind!)

XDA

filtherton · 11-22-2004, 12:28 PM

Wombhammer. That's awesome.

K-Wise · 11-22-2004, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bermuDa

If word of mouth isn't enough to get your revenue up, your porn site probably just sucks.

just my opinion.

Well not really considering that there are probably literally thousands maybe millions of these porn sites out there and they're all offering the same thing, beautiful women(sometimes) exchanging sexual favors for cash. Kinda hard to stick out. Most of those guys are now amature porn guys who have a video camera/webcam and a computer and blow what little money they have left for their very first video and then try to make a name for themselves. Really fuckin stupid...for the true professionals at it you may be able to say it's a job, they handle the business, marketing and everything, have OFFICES and headquarters for their business these other amatuer guys are just losers who need to get a real job.

Asta!!

Lefty04 · 11-22-2004, 05:16 PM

A giant time waster, like video games and cable TV, but not addictive.

Blackthorn · 11-22-2004, 06:44 PM

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Internet pornography is corrupting children and hooking adults into an addiction that threatens their jobs and families, a panel of anti-porn advocates told the hearing organized by Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., chairman of the Commerce subcommittee on science.

Not to go off Mal's topic but I work for a firm that has fired people (both men and women) for viewing pornography from company equipment. Our policies are very clear about use of company equipment and for me ... frankly ... when I sneak a peak at tfp during the daytime even if I'm only visiting "General Discussion" I am running a risk of termination. Companies that enforce their policies have a more limited occurance of abuse. The drastic case of firings in my opinion have been isolated circumstances but there was one individual who worked for me on a project who was fired for having 4.5 gb's of porn on his hard drive. The company spyware picked it up and he was promptly shown the door.

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Mary Anne Layden, co-director of a sexual trauma program at the University of Pennsylvania, said pornography's effect on the brain mirrors addiction to heroin or crack cocaine. She told of one patient, a business executive, who arrived at his office at 9 a.m. each day, logged onto Internet porn sites, and didn't log off until 5 p.m.

Layden called for billboards and bus ads warning people to avoid pornography, strip clubs and prostitutes.

I would love to know more about the study that concluded that the brain's reaction to porn mirrors that of heroin or crack. What specifically was the study and how were reactions measured?

The idead that billboards need to be put up to tell me to avoid prostitutes who've likely had 15 snausages in her mouth before she got to me is ludicrous. I have a story that I'll post in a different thread about a business trip I took to Detroit circa October 1998. Regardless I think that line discredits her motivations and the underlying data (if any exists) from her study on this matter.

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Brownback, an outspoken Christian conservative who has championed efforts to curb indecency on television and the Internet, said the public is beginning to realize "they don't just have to take it."
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Brownback said scientific data is needed to help his cause.
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But he pointed to studies that show prolonged use of pornography leads to "sexual callousness, the erosion of family values and diminished sexual satisfaction."

Brownback's link to the Christian right immediately makes me speculative about his motivations. I'm not saying that all Christian conservatives are religous zealots because in fact (and some of you will find this hard to believe) I qualify as both of those. I am Christian and I am an economic conservative that leans a little more toward a centerists views on some "right wing nut job issues". Again that's for a different thread.

Brownback discredits himself by saying that scientific data is needed to back up what he believes to be true in order to "help his cause". If that doesn't smell of ulterior motive I'm not sure what does.

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Judith Reisman, a vocal critic of the Kinsey Institute and the field of sexology, suggested Congress require police officers to gather evidence of pornography at crime scenes to further research

I'm not really sure what the hell this means? Do all criminals really carry porn with them before or during the perpetration of an act of crime? This is a complete speculative leap that reaks of I-want-this-to-be-true-so-make-the-stats-prove-it. There are three kinds of lies in this world. Lies, damn lies, and statistics!

The bottom line is for me is that I believe that porn can be addictive. Is it like heorin? I have no reference for that. In fact my only addiction is coffee and don't keep me from it. When I put it in that context in my own mind then I belive porn can be addictive. You must first have the predeliction of being an addict but if it's porn or heroin or crack cocaine that triggers your addictive response then is there really a difference?

The Cambridge definition of an addict is:

"a person who cannot stop doing or using something, especially something harmful:
a drug/heroin addict
a gambling addict
a sex addict
HUMOROUS I'm a chocolate/shopping addict"

"Especially something harmful". Overuse of porn -- even as reported by some posters to this web site -- has been shown to be harmful in some cases. Not all cases but some certainly qualify as porn addiction. I believe that based on the definition of addict as stated above that a porn addiction for someone who cannot stop using porn to the point that is causes them to store 4.5 gb's of it on their work pc is harmful. They are using work assets to enalbe their need/want/desire to use porn knowing the consequence could be that they might get fired. This is reckless bevoir that I would certainly classify as harmful.

Is porn as addictive as heroin? Again if you consider the definition I don't think there is a fundemental differnce. It might be easier to conceptualize the heroin addicts toubles from their addiction because of the mental image you have of a person living in the street who hasn't bathed in weeks with tract marks all over their body who is suffering from severe withdrawal symptoms. Obviously a porn addict is much more difficult to see as troubled because by most visual means they can appear to be functional people.

Is there a pro side to porn? Well....on a lighter note if it weren't for porn I'd have never seen women from the likes of Bo Derek to Denise Richards in photos where they appear naked!

Thank you Hef! That's if you consider Playboy to be porn. And really..for most adolecent boys who sneak a peak at their father's Playboy magazines it's really all about learning what the opposite sex is all about and the majority of us never really develop an addiction. My belief is that if you have the genetic traits or other predilictions for addicive behavior then you are at risk of becoming an addict and that may include heroin, crack cocaine, coffee or even porn.

That's my 0.02c!

cheebsteralpha · 11-23-2004, 11:29 AM

If there were no more porno, then people would just imagine their own situations/fantasies to jerk it to. Remeber that movie where Michael Douglas was the Psychologist and he was looking for that stolen loot with the crazy chick? well, thats besides the point, but he said something at the beginning of said movie, "everybody jerks off". Anyone who denies ever doing it is full of it. (except John Ashcroft, ill bet he never has)

abscondo · 11-23-2004, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkie

Yeah, I know but it's the "...Children..." they use as the excuse to market the idea as a new epidemic!!! The internet is the “gateway” to addiction… blah, blah, blah…

Yeah, everyone knows that the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue and Victoria's Secret catalogs are the real gateways.

rfra3645 · 11-25-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkie

So, rfra3645, you've been addicted to heroin and know that porn is just as addictive and difficult to kick?

watched sevral of my close friends kick crack.....

suposedly just as addicting as heroin.....

yeah i gotta say they had the same menatality.....

thanks for asking...

rfra3645 · 11-25-2004, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tropple

Luke, embrace the dark side....

Porn is better than no porn. It's always ready and available, requires no tender words, doesn't mind if you fart, and couldn't care less if you ignore it when you're done.

lol agreed...

rfra3645 · 11-25-2004, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by water_boy1999

These two types of people you speak of......are you referring to people who have tried heroin and have been addicted? If that is the case, then yes, I have no idea. If you are referring to people who like to look at porn, and still have no idea, then I have to completely disagree with your logic. Heroin users develop a physical, mental and emotional dependency to heroin. Have you ever seen someone walking down the street shaking because they haven't been able to look at some good vagina lately? I think not.

i am talking about people that need to see the porn..

that cant wait to get home to look at it....

the people that will "use porn" and sat the same think ... why the hell am i doing this....

i see no diffrence then the crack heroin (alcohol)

i have to stop at the liquor store... on the way home i only 3 beers left can absolutley not get thru the night w.o more...

if i dont kill the white guy in the beamer and steal his watch so i can seel it and buy 50 sack i will die.......

this is possibly a better picture as to what im refering....

if the addiction is physical or mental its still an addiction

John Henry · 11-26-2004, 11:51 AM

I don't have any statistics, but if you're interested in a personal testimonial...

There are definitely paralells with pornography and addictive substances, although the comparison with heroin is ludicrous. I don't know whether 'addiction' is the right word per se, but I have definitely had a porn problem, just as I have had a marijuana problem and arguably an alcohol problem at times. Although these were almost immeasurably minor compared to a heroin addiction, they all had some undesirable effect on the rest of my life.

With porn, I found that my consumption started small and softcore and grew larger and more hardcore. I have looked at porn for eight hours straight, I've watched porn while I was supposed to be working, I've watched porn while I could have been socialising, I've been late for work because of it and I believe that my use of pornography had a detrimental impact on my relationship with a former girlfriend, not that she ever knew about it, but because of the 'sexual callousness' described above that it helped to cultivate.

Having experimented with various hard drugs and not become addicted, I would suggest that there is no inherently addictive quality that porn shares with heroin. In fact, the thing it has in common with marijuana and alcohol (my other former 'problems') is its ready availability.

I don't blame porn for these problems. Rather, as ninety09 suggests, it's due to weakness of character.

Porn is a tool of self destruction, not a cause. If you make porn as illegal as heroin, people who want somewhere to hide will just go somewhere more dangerous.

Even if you got rid of all the drugs and the drink and the gambling and the porn, losers would just become political or religious fanatics.

Frankly I prefer wankers.

sprocket · 11-27-2004, 04:01 PM

This editorial from WIRED sums up my view on this topic pretty well:

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,65831,00.html

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Porn Prohibitionists Miss Point*

By Regina Lynn**

All week I've been thinking about the recent "porn is heroin" hearing, which concluded that porn bypasses the cognitive speechmaking part of the brain, turns men into rapists and -- my favorite -- releases damaging "erototoxins" into the bloodstream.

The stated point of the hearing was to determine whether Congress should fund studies about the effects of pornography addiction on families and communities, and whether it should launch a public health campaign to warn people of the dangers of online porn.

If it's going to spend money in this arena at all, I'd rather Congress fund studies about the effects of pornography in general, including its effect on the economy, on technological innovation, on sexual function and dysfunction, and so on. Even the anti-porn panelists who testified before Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kansas) admitted the dearth of such studies.

I would hate to see anyone confuse "addiction to porn" with "existence of porn" and pursue a study about addiction without establishing a base line for normal use. Porn did not become a billion-dollar industry on addiction alone.

Porn addiction -- which I define as an overwhelming compulsion to watch porn, such that viewing porn becomes your top priority, taking precedence over work and family -- is certainly a cause for concern and possibly intervention.

Yet like any addiction, when the substance in question is relatively harmless to most people, as porn seems to be, criminalizing that substance backfires. Porn, like alcohol, is an indulgence that I suspect the vast majority of people enjoy in moderation, in small doses or not at all.

And porn, like alcohol, is meant to be a treat for adults. In fact, everyone I've spoken within the adult industry also supports the separation of children and adult content -- that's why it's called adult content.

The panel's concern that the internet makes pornography much more available to children than it was in the good ol' days of the printing press is a valid one. I have no objection to increasing our efforts to educate adults in how they can keep pornography away from children, or to developing better content filters, age-validation tactics and other yet-to-be-invented technologies that would make it almost impossible for kids to find porn online.

If nothing else, just think of the pool of brilliant problem-solvers we'll create, and the security experts that will arise out of a generation of Sneakers.

As a whole, however, the witnesses in this particular hearing fail to inspire my confidence. While some of their concerns make sense -- I mean, really, who could argue that addiction is healthy or that young children should view sexual imagery? -- some of their examples expose the shaky foundation beneath their case.

To wit: Psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover claims that porn "causes masturbation."

What's so bad about masturbation? We're born sexual beings -- even infants masturbate, long before they can say "free porn," much less Google it. Given the other challenges we're facing, from the war in Iraq to the 30 percent of American children living in poverty, autoeroticism is hardly high on the list of threats to families or society. I'd hate to have to replace it with macramé just because a handful of people can't stand the thought that I might be taking longer showers than they deem necessary.

And it wouldn't hurt certain people to let go of their obsessive guilt and add this simple pleasure to their daily routine.

Dr. Mary Anne Layden states that "the myth that women are sexually aroused by engaging in behaviors that are actually sexually pleasuring to men is a particularly narcissistic invention of the pornography industry."

What? I'm plenty aroused by fellatio and other "behaviors" that are "pleasuring to men." That's why I'm fun in bed, even though I may inadvertently be proving her point, as my delight in such activities is a result of the healing power of cybersex. (Cybersex did more to help me overcome childhood sexual trauma than two years of therapy. But that's another column.)

And then Dr. Judith Reisman says that police always find pornography when searching the homes of rapists and pedophiles, and suggests that porn consumption leads to crime.

I'm more inclined to believe that poverty, disenfranchisement, desperation, racism, child abuse, ignorance and gang mentality contribute more to serious crimes than pornography does. I also suspect that almost everyone, especially males, keeps a stash of adult content somewhere. I have a small cache myself. But of course most of us aren't subject to police searches, and therefore our collections remain private.

It seems to me that if Congress were to fund an in-depth, scientifically valid, nonpartisan study on porn's role in society, we could lay this question to rest. Then the porn prohibitionists would have to stop inventing scare tactics to support their agenda. They'll either be proven right, which they won't be, or they'll be exposed for the meddling, big-government proponents they are.

Now, where can I get those erototoxins?

See you next Friday,

Regina Lynn

Tracybrian · 11-27-2004, 04:54 PM

You just shouldn't compare porn and heroin. They are way different in there effects on the mind. orgasms are what people are addicted too. Not sex or porn.

If a porn addict lost his or her sex drive would they still need there porn fix? What are porn withdrawals like because I herd that heroin is way worse.

To much of anything is bad. like eating. I like my porn but if it were gone I would still get my release. for me porn a masturbation enhancement like loob.

hunnychile · 11-27-2004, 04:56 PM

The addiction to smoking cigs is far worse than porn could ever, ever be...

Porn doesn't kill people by causing lung cancer, like smoking does.

bermuDa · 11-27-2004, 05:12 PM

i'm just curious about what we're expected to do with this "research"

do they want to ban pornography? cause the prohibition worked so well.
or do they want to put warning labels on adult dvds saying

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WARNING:
The contents of this video disc contain images that qualify as "Some kinky shit" by the United States Congress, and prolonged exposure to these scenes can lead to repeated rentals, loss of appetite, lack of social interaction, unrealistic fantasies, desire to spank random people, hairy palms and blindness. Keep out of reach of children."

'cause warning labels have had a huge impact on cigarette sales

I'm so glad we're spending tax dollars trying to scientifically vindicate the moral perspective of the status quo.

Fremen · 11-27-2004, 05:54 PM

Where can I get me some of them erototoxins???

*licks lips nervously*

Scorps · 11-27-2004, 06:05 PM

Humm it can't be as bad......I think I was addictied to porn about a year ago......I'm fine now, but maybe its becuase I found better things to do with my time then sitting around watching people having sex

rfra3645 · 11-27-2004, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by John Henry

I don't have any statistics, but if you're interested in a personal testimonial...

There are definitely paralells with pornography and addictive substances, although the comparison with heroin is ludicrous. I don't know whether 'addiction' is the right word per se, but I have definitely had a porn problem, just as I have had a marijuana problem and arguably an alcohol problem at times. Although these were almost immeasurably minor compared to a heroin addiction, they all had some undesirable effect on the rest of my life.

With porn, I found that my consumption started small and softcore and grew larger and more hardcore. I have looked at porn for eight hours straight, I've watched porn while I was supposed to be working, I've watched porn while I could have been socialising, I've been late for work because of it and I believe that my use of pornography had a detrimental impact on my relationship with a former girlfriend, not that she ever knew about it, but because of the 'sexual callousness' described above that it helped to cultivate.

Having experimented with various hard drugs and not become addicted, I would suggest that there is no inherently addictive quality that porn shares with heroin. In fact, the thing it has in common with marijuana and alcohol (my other former 'problems') is its ready availability.

I don't blame porn for these problems. Rather, as ninety09 suggests, it's due to weakness of character.

Porn is a tool of self destruction, not a cause. If you make porn as illegal as heroin, people who want somewhere to hide will just go somewhere more dangerous.

Even if you got rid of all the drugs and the drink and the gambling and the porn, losers would just become political or religious fanatics.

Frankly I prefer wankers.

i think wow this guy hit it on the head..... ( a few times it sounds like) but really yeah he said about what ive been trying to say...

what im not saying... i dont belive porn hurts anyone but the person doing it( minus the few unwilling or physically hurt in the "industry". im not saying the physical signs are the same..

i am saying mentally its the same you gotta have it... you know there is better or other shit to be doing yet you still "get your fix" .....

i may have not been clear.... heroin you ise once maybe up to 3 times your addicted.. porn you build it up... once a month then 1 once a week.. then evreyday.. then your in a set schedule.... its totally a mind thing... but i think i saw someone else say it was orgasm not porn.. i agre with that as well but they pretty much go and hand in hand...

someone else said if you didnt have porn you could still fantasise absofreakinlulty... but i can remember the fantasize part. id say most addicts do but it gradually builds and builds and then all of sudden its not good enuf...

anyway... i think this concludes my thoughts on this subject..

wierd disscusion....

thingstodo · 11-28-2004, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KinkyKiwi

lol well its hardly the same thing as hardcore drugs..but how exactly do you get addicted to porn anyway?

Actually, if you learn about addiction itself, you'll find that anything can be an addiction and all addictions can get to the same level. You are basically chasing a good feeling that becomes elusive. But the chase doesn't.

Jimellow · 11-28-2004, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by cheebsteralpha

If there were no more porno, then people would just imagine their own situations/fantasies to jerk it to.

I think I tend to agree with this.

IMO, porn is a means for adding some outside elements into a viewer's imagination that they may not have otherwise, but can then add to their repertoire afterwards.

It's all about imagination though, seriously. If you have a good imagination and the right mindset, I think you can do just fine without any porn "addiction."

Zeraph · 11-28-2004, 02:04 PM

Porn can get old for me, my imagination is key! (hey it rhymed)

Scorps · 12-01-2004, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeraph

Porn can get old for me, my imagination is key! (hey it rhymed)

If porn ever gets boring then your screwed

vox_rox · 12-01-2004, 12:31 PM

Well, until I see some government funded clinics trying to cure me of my chronic masturbation which, quite frankly, doesn't really hurt anyone, and sometimes involves porn but most often invloves quite vivid fantasies of people I've never met (thanks pinkie!

) then I'm going to say that heroin is WAY worse.

Cum addiction? How bad can that be?

Peace,

Pierre

flstf · 12-01-2004, 01:07 PM

I think TV is far more addicting than porn and far more prevalent. I know people(families) who turn the TV on every night after dinner until it's time to go to bed. Even when there is nothing particular on that they want to watch, they'll channel surf until they find something. Just try and get them to turn the damn thing off for a change and watch them fidget, LOL. Even very poor families somehow manage to buy a color TV to feed the habit. I believe it has become a necessity.
I don't know about herion, I just don't see it around much.

MacGuyver · 12-01-2004, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkie

More scare tactics by religious fanatics if you ask me!

DING... I think we have a winner. One thing we have to make sure of is that we do not allow our religious parameters to get mixed up with our governmental parameters. For example:

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... Brownback, an outspoken Christian conservative who has championed efforts to curb indecency on television and the Internet, said the public is beginning to realize "they don't just have to take it."

But he acknowledged the First Amendment right to free speech has limited congressional efforts...

Exactly, over conservative religious fanatics SHOULDN'T be able to change how our government works just becuase of the belief that their set of moral values is superior to others in the United States. Thats not how government should work, at all. It's called separation of church and state. Although thats rough when the president thinks that "God wants him to be president".

The point is, who cares if we masturbate and watch porn? As long as we are over 18 which is set by the legal system, we should be able to access as much goddamn pornography as we want. Damnit, sometimes I dont even NEED pornography, all I got is imagination. It just goes to show, we should be WAY more open to sexuality. I mean, come on... it's what created most of us (unless any of you are test tube babies).

miyamotomusashi · 12-01-2004, 06:09 PM

This would be so funny if the Gov't didn't think I was true.
Also this reminds me of Perversion for Profit
http://www.archive.org/movies/detail...ctionid=00895a

Painted · 12-01-2004, 06:51 PM

Porn is addictive, but that doesnt necessarily mean its bad.

newMaster · 12-01-2004, 07:46 PM

But i think that porn can be more devastating than Heroin.. I mean, cause its legal and free, so many ppl of all ages are into it. We live in the age of the internet and the amount of porn there... Woah~~

There is no limit to the amount of porn people look at, but heroin there is. You are limited by $$$. There are children all round the world addicted to it, and it ruin lives. Its sad, when you are addicted to porn.

tspikes51 · 12-01-2004, 08:50 PM

I will pony up my experiences with porn addiction. I am addicted to porn. I am totally subservient to it in that when I see it, think about it, or even have an erection, I have to masturbate and view porn. I have gone only one day in the past three months without looking at porn. I have been late to work, class, and other appointments because of it. I don't get enough sleep because of it. I estimate that I spend over two hours a day with porn. I also estimate that I've spent over 1,000 hours of my life looking at porn. That works out to 5 weeks, 6 days, and 16 hours of my life at least so far. So, yes, porn can be addictive to the point that it starts eating away at one's life.

tropple · 12-02-2004, 04:05 AM

I don't see porn causing any gang wars or drive-by shootings.

Everyone gets to go to hell in their own handbasket.

tspikes51: The problem is not that you look at porn, the problem is that you are doing it inefficiently. You need to stop the endless, mindless surfing to find it. Concentrate on finding one or two very good link sources and use them to channel your efforts.

Jumping on blind links eats a way at your time and causes frustration. Trust me. Mindless link clicking will leave you mad and frustrated.

flat5 · 12-03-2004, 01:54 PM

I think beating off raises the levels of chemicals in the body that relieve pain.
This is not altogether a bad thing :-)
and yeah, you might want to do it again.

thingstodo · 12-04-2004, 07:22 AM

Here's an official definition of addiction:

the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.

An addict:

a person who is addicted to an activity, habit, or substance: a drug addict.

—v.t.
1. to cause to become physiologically or psychologically dependent on an addictive substance, as alcohol or a narcotic.
2. to habituate or abandon (oneself) to something compulsively or obsessively: a writer addicted to the use of high-flown language; children addicted to video games.

One of the definitions of addiction is if it has a negative impact on your life, your relationships or your occupation. For those that try to compare any addiction as being different from another I say you need to learn about addiction and forget what kind it is.

The heroin addict no longer has the physical effects after going through withdrawal, just as the smoker eliminates the toxins in 10 days to two weeks. It's the therapy and understanding the cause of the addiction that takes years or even a lifetime. When you give up an addiction, you are still an addict. The distinction is active, recovering or recovered (both of the last probably one in the same).

So, while porn addiction may sound funny - and I love to joke as well - in all seriousness, true addiction, as defined, isn't funny. Just go back to the definition above.

flstf · 12-04-2004, 11:53 AM

I remember a while back during Nixon's administration they did a study with college students to try and prove the negative effects of porn. As I recall they showed a focus group several hours of porn each day. Much to the dismay of the administration the report came back that the overall effect was boredom. The students were sneaking their text books into the theatre to get some work done, LOL.

pinion · 12-04-2004, 02:14 PM

I can assure anyone in doubt, you have no idea to what degree you can truly want or crave something until you have first hand experience with opiate withdrawl. The only thing I know of that remotely comes close is mourning the death of someone close to you, which ironically happens to be a common side effect of a lifestyle involving opiates. Heroin addiction is far more powerful than sensationalist idiots like these clowns realize and these kind of comparisons are ridiculous and far too common. I've never met anyone who died jerking off but I can't say the same of people I knew that used heroin.

By the way, does anyone have any kleenex? I'm out and seem to have made a mess on my monitor again...

Squishor · 12-04-2004, 02:34 PM

Pinion is absolutely right.

Porn "addiction" won't make you shit your pants, spew streams of stuff that looks like antifreeze, or unable to walk down the street, either. Has porn ever made you lie in your own vomit on a concrete floor begging for help? Ever jacked off so much you were tempted to rob an old lady of her purse, or sell your ass on the street?

Beyond the physical aspect is the indescribable nightmare of the soul that can only be (hopefully) survived, not described. Heroin will absolutely consume every aspect of your life if given a chance and unfortunately it has to be experienced to be truly understood.

11-22-2004, 10:54 AM	#43 (permalink)
Stompy Banned from being Banned Location: Donkey	Man, talk about apples vs oranges... Replace porn with video games, biting your nails, shopping, eating, drinking, laughing, sex, masturbation, and sleeping.. because they're all equally addicting. Can one find immense pleasure in it to the point where that's all they want? Yep. You can also find immense pleasure in eating chocolate. You can find immense pleasure in spending 8 hours a day playing an MMORPG. Heroin is a whole other story: your body NEEDS it if you're addicted to it. Same with cigarettes. You CAN live without them, but your body won't feel too good. Porn, video game, eating, whatever addictions are mental. Some people can handle the urge to do em, some can't. __________________ I love lamp.

11-22-2004, 11:01 AM	#44 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	I don't understand how someone could become addicted to porn, but I don't understand addiction in general so I will not write it off as some of you have. I am still skeptical though. My guess on 'porn addiction' is that you have fat housewives upset that their husbands don't find them attractive anymore and would rather jack off to pictures on the net than have sex with their bloated middle aged bodies. Calling it an addiction is a cop out for both of them, its no ones fault, he is just 'addicted' and needs help. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

11-22-2004, 11:25 AM	#45 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	there are always people with weak wills who get hooked on something psychologically. Hardcore opiates like heroin, however, are NOT just a psychological habit. that comparison is moot. However, there is a time and place for everything. Surfing porn while at work (unless it's a part of your job) is counter productive. The executive logged into porn sites for 8 hours should be doing his job instead of beating his wombhammer; though I'm guessing he just ties one off in the morning and doesn't log out of the site until he turns his computer off for the day. My biggest beef with porn is the invasiveness of it. Porn sells itself, it doesn't need to be shoved in our faces for us to realize it's there. If someone is interested in beastiality or spanking or toe sucking porn, they'll go find it; they aren't going to wait for an ad to slip through their junk-mail filters. It's also very frustrating to check your email at work only to have hardcore photos of "pre-teens who love black cock in their asses" or "clueless young boy-sluts" take over your screen and make you trip over yourself trying to close the window before your coworkers see them and realize what a dirty mind the internet thinks you have. I believe this is just another form of harrassment akin to telemarketers, and should be abolished. If word of mouth isn't enough to get your revenue up, your porn site probably just sucks. just my opinion. __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

11-26-2004, 11:51 AM	#56 (permalink)
John Henry Addict Location: Grey Britain	I don't have any statistics, but if you're interested in a personal testimonial... There are definitely paralells with pornography and addictive substances, although the comparison with heroin is ludicrous. I don't know whether 'addiction' is the right word per se, but I have definitely had a porn problem, just as I have had a marijuana problem and arguably an alcohol problem at times. Although these were almost immeasurably minor compared to a heroin addiction, they all had some undesirable effect on the rest of my life. With porn, I found that my consumption started small and softcore and grew larger and more hardcore. I have looked at porn for eight hours straight, I've watched porn while I was supposed to be working, I've watched porn while I could have been socialising, I've been late for work because of it and I believe that my use of pornography had a detrimental impact on my relationship with a former girlfriend, not that she ever knew about it, but because of the 'sexual callousness' described above that it helped to cultivate. Having experimented with various hard drugs and not become addicted, I would suggest that there is no inherently addictive quality that porn shares with heroin. In fact, the thing it has in common with marijuana and alcohol (my other former 'problems') is its ready availability. I don't blame porn for these problems. Rather, as ninety09 suggests, it's due to weakness of character. Porn is a tool of self destruction, not a cause. If you make porn as illegal as heroin, people who want somewhere to hide will just go somewhere more dangerous. Even if you got rid of all the drugs and the drink and the gambling and the porn, losers would just become political or religious fanatics. Frankly I prefer wankers. __________________ "No one was behaving from very Buddhist motives. Then, thought Pigsy, he was hardly a Buddha, nor was he a monkey. Presently, he was a pig spirit changed into a little girl pretending to be a little boy to be offered to a water monster. It was all very simple to a pig spirit."

11-27-2004, 04:56 PM	#59 (permalink)
hunnychile Alien Anthropologist Location: Between Boredom and Nirvana	The addiction to smoking cigs is far worse than porn could ever, ever be... Porn doesn't kill people by causing lung cancer, like smoking does. __________________ "I need compassion, understanding and chocolate." - NJB

11-22-2004, 11:54 AM	#46 (permalink)
xda Upright	Chemical addiction to opiates like Heroin are a completely different thing to a psychological addiction to looking at porn. Oh, and looking at porn will not kill you (or even make you go blind!) XDA

11-22-2004, 12:28 PM	#47 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	Wombhammer. That's awesome.

11-22-2004, 05:16 PM	#49 (permalink)
Lefty04 Tilted	A giant time waster, like video games and cable TV, but not addictive.

11-23-2004, 11:29 AM	#51 (permalink)
cheebsteralpha Upright	If there were no more porno, then people would just imagine their own situations/fantasies to jerk it to. Remeber that movie where Michael Douglas was the Psychologist and he was looking for that stolen loot with the crazy chick? well, thats besides the point, but he said something at the beginning of said movie, "everybody jerks off". Anyone who denies ever doing it is full of it. (except John Ashcroft, ill bet he never has)

11-27-2004, 04:54 PM	#58 (permalink)
Tracybrian Crazy Location: Tracy, ca	You just shouldn't compare porn and heroin. They are way different in there effects on the mind. orgasms are what people are addicted too. Not sex or porn. If a porn addict lost his or her sex drive would they still need there porn fix? What are porn withdrawals like because I herd that heroin is way worse. To much of anything is bad. like eating. I like my porn but if it were gone I would still get my release. for me porn a masturbation enhancement like loob.

11-27-2004, 05:54 PM	#61 (permalink)
Fremen With a mustache, the cool factor would be too much Location: left side of my couch, East Texas	Where can I get me some of them erototoxins??? licks lips nervously __________________ Google

11-27-2004, 06:05 PM	#62 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	Humm it can't be as bad......I think I was addictied to porn about a year ago......I'm fine now, but maybe its becuase I found better things to do with my time then sitting around watching people having sex

11-28-2004, 02:04 PM	#66 (permalink)
Zeraph Banned Location: The Cosmos	Porn can get old for me, my imagination is key! (hey it rhymed)

12-01-2004, 12:31 PM	#68 (permalink)
vox_rox Psycho Location: Comfy Little Bungalow	Well, until I see some government funded clinics trying to cure me of my chronic masturbation which, quite frankly, doesn't really hurt anyone, and sometimes involves porn but most often invloves quite vivid fantasies of people I've never met (thanks pinkie! ) then I'm going to say that heroin is WAY worse. Cum addiction? How bad can that be? Peace, Pierre

12-01-2004, 01:07 PM	#69 (permalink)
flstf Easy Rider Location: Moscow on the Ohio	I think TV is far more addicting than porn and far more prevalent. I know people(families) who turn the TV on every night after dinner until it's time to go to bed. Even when there is nothing particular on that they want to watch, they'll channel surf until they find something. Just try and get them to turn the damn thing off for a change and watch them fidget, LOL. Even very poor families somehow manage to buy a color TV to feed the habit. I believe it has become a necessity. I don't know about herion, I just don't see it around much.

12-01-2004, 06:09 PM	#71 (permalink)
miyamotomusashi Upright Location: MA, USA	This would be so funny if the Gov't didn't think I was true. Also this reminds me of Perversion for Profit http://www.archive.org/movies/detail...ctionid=00895a

12-01-2004, 06:51 PM	#72 (permalink)
Painted Pleasure Burn	Porn is addictive, but that doesnt necessarily mean its bad.

12-01-2004, 07:46 PM	#73 (permalink)
newMaster Upright Location: Online	But i think that porn can be more devastating than Heroin.. I mean, cause its legal and free, so many ppl of all ages are into it. We live in the age of the internet and the amount of porn there... Woah~~ There is no limit to the amount of porn people look at, but heroin there is. You are limited by $$$. There are children all round the world addicted to it, and it ruin lives. Its sad, when you are addicted to porn.

12-01-2004, 08:50 PM	#74 (permalink)
tspikes51 Fuckin' A Location: Lex Vegas	I will pony up my experiences with porn addiction. I am addicted to porn. I am totally subservient to it in that when I see it, think about it, or even have an erection, I have to masturbate and view porn. I have gone only one day in the past three months without looking at porn. I have been late to work, class, and other appointments because of it. I don't get enough sleep because of it. I estimate that I spend over two hours a day with porn. I also estimate that I've spent over 1,000 hours of my life looking at porn. That works out to 5 weeks, 6 days, and 16 hours of my life at least so far. So, yes, porn can be addictive to the point that it starts eating away at one's life. __________________ "I'm telling you, we need to get rid of a few people or a million." -Maddox

12-02-2004, 04:05 AM	#75 (permalink)
tropple Junkie	I don't see porn causing any gang wars or drive-by shootings. Everyone gets to go to hell in their own handbasket. tspikes51: The problem is not that you look at porn, the problem is that you are doing it inefficiently. You need to stop the endless, mindless surfing to find it. Concentrate on finding one or two very good link sources and use them to channel your efforts. Jumping on blind links eats a way at your time and causes frustration. Trust me. Mindless link clicking will leave you mad and frustrated. __________________ +++++++++++Boom! Last edited by tropple; 12-03-2004 at 04:09 PM.. Reason: My typing really sucks. I apologize.

12-03-2004, 01:54 PM	#76 (permalink)
flat5 Very Insignificant Pawn Location: Amsterdam, NL	I think beating off raises the levels of chemicals in the body that relieve pain. This is not altogether a bad thing :-) and yeah, you might want to do it again. Last edited by flat5; 12-04-2004 at 09:54 AM.. Reason: spelling

12-04-2004, 07:22 AM	#77 (permalink)
thingstodo A Storm Is Coming Location: The Great White North	Here's an official definition of addiction: the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma. An addict: a person who is addicted to an activity, habit, or substance: a drug addict. —v.t. 1. to cause to become physiologically or psychologically dependent on an addictive substance, as alcohol or a narcotic. 2. to habituate or abandon (oneself) to something compulsively or obsessively: a writer addicted to the use of high-flown language; children addicted to video games. One of the definitions of addiction is if it has a negative impact on your life, your relationships or your occupation. For those that try to compare any addiction as being different from another I say you need to learn about addiction and forget what kind it is. The heroin addict no longer has the physical effects after going through withdrawal, just as the smoker eliminates the toxins in 10 days to two weeks. It's the therapy and understanding the cause of the addiction that takes years or even a lifetime. When you give up an addiction, you are still an addict. The distinction is active, recovering or recovered (both of the last probably one in the same). So, while porn addiction may sound funny - and I love to joke as well - in all seriousness, true addiction, as defined, isn't funny. Just go back to the definition above. __________________ If you're wringing your hands you can't roll up your shirt sleeves. Stangers have the best candy.

12-04-2004, 11:53 AM	#78 (permalink)
flstf Easy Rider Location: Moscow on the Ohio	I remember a while back during Nixon's administration they did a study with college students to try and prove the negative effects of porn. As I recall they showed a focus group several hours of porn each day. Much to the dismay of the administration the report came back that the overall effect was boredom. The students were sneaking their text books into the theatre to get some work done, LOL.

12-04-2004, 02:14 PM	#79 (permalink)
pinion Upright Location: Kalafornya	I can assure anyone in doubt, you have no idea to what degree you can truly want or crave something until you have first hand experience with opiate withdrawl. The only thing I know of that remotely comes close is mourning the death of someone close to you, which ironically happens to be a common side effect of a lifestyle involving opiates. Heroin addiction is far more powerful than sensationalist idiots like these clowns realize and these kind of comparisons are ridiculous and far too common. I've never met anyone who died jerking off but I can't say the same of people I knew that used heroin. By the way, does anyone have any kleenex? I'm out and seem to have made a mess on my monitor again... __________________ The silent truth asserts it's proof like you abhor.

12-04-2004, 02:34 PM	#80 (permalink)
Squishor Frontal Lobe Location: California	Pinion is absolutely right. Porn "addiction" won't make you shit your pants, spew streams of stuff that looks like antifreeze, or unable to walk down the street, either. Has porn ever made you lie in your own vomit on a concrete floor begging for help? Ever jacked off so much you were tempted to rob an old lady of her purse, or sell your ass on the street? Beyond the physical aspect is the indescribable nightmare of the soul that can only be (hopefully) survived, not described. Heroin will absolutely consume every aspect of your life if given a chance and unfortunately it has to be experienced to be truly understood.