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Old 11-09-2004, 09:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Airport X-ray sees through clothes

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Airport X-ray sees through clothes

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- A new X-ray machine at London's Heathrow airport, which sees through passengers' clothes, has been attacked by civil liberties campaigners as a "voyeur's charter."

The machine uses low-level radiation to see through clothing, producing an anatomically detailed black and white image of the body underneath.

Capable of detecting solid objects concealed under clothing, it started a four month trial in October.

Randomly picked passengers are asked if they will volunteer to be scanned by the machine.

"I stood in front of the screen and they took three pictures in different positions," said passenger Pernille Nielsen.

"I don't mind if the pictures are a little more personal as long as I'm safe in air -- that's what matters," she told Reuters.

Another passenger, Maria Love, said: "It's all about being safe, and I really have no problem with it."

A spokeswoman for BAA Heathrow said 98 percent of participants gave positive feedback.

But British civil rights group Liberty called the X-ray images unjustified and intrusive.

"We obviously do not object to taking security measures, but I remain totally unconvinced that it is necessary," a spokesman said.

To justify the intrusion, the airport should show current detectors are inadequate, he added.

"It's an obvious invasion of people's privacy -- it's a voyeur's charter."

The American Transport Security Administration, which has considered using the machines at U.S. airports, echoed Liberty's concerns.

"There are a number of privacy issues that need to be addressed before we would do field tests," a spokeswoman said.

Scanners currently looking for concealed weapons or explosives on passengers have shown limitations in the past.

Traditional X-ray machines used to scan baggage have often struggled to identify plastic explosives, accidentally sounding alarms when detecting chocolate, cheese and peanut butter because of their similar density to the explosive Semtex.

Heathrow, which for security reasons declined to say how the new X-ray machine improves on current scanners, denies the machines could cause embarrassment.

"It's a very low dose X-ray, the images are not stored, it's same sex operated and the operator that sees the image will not see the person," said the airport spokeswoman.

"There will not be a situation that could cause embarrassment," she added.

Heathrow is one of the world's busiest airports, handling around 64 million passengers a year.

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Old 11-09-2004, 09:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm more concerned at the amount of x-rays I am going to absorb if I am a frequent flyer...

Definately must look into lead lined boxers...
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Old 11-09-2004, 09:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I wonder how long it will be before x-ray porn sites start popping up.
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Old 11-09-2004, 09:40 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I'd like to see the xray system used in Total Recall. That'd be sweet.
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Old 11-09-2004, 09:47 AM   #5 (permalink)
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This gets us back to the argument about giving up your personal civil liberties vs. having more safety guidelines. I am all for flying in a safer environment. If this x-ray machine is used more readily and volunteering for it is no longer an option, if you don't like it, don't fly.
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Old 11-09-2004, 09:53 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I wouldn't have a problem using it. If the worst thing it does is gives the screeners an outline of my package, who cares? At least my ID can't be stolen using a picture like that. When you think about all the info we have to give the government already, what more will this type of screening process do?
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Old 11-09-2004, 09:58 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Damn.

I can't wear women's panties when I fly anymore.
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Old 11-09-2004, 10:01 AM   #8 (permalink)
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if they can xray my bags, then why not xray my n00tz. either way, when you fly you're giving up certain liberties. it's the price we pay.
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Old 11-09-2004, 10:18 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Well according to the Internet, everyone wants to be photographed nude anyway, this is just speeding up the process of getting hot MILF's and Teen Sluts to the masses.
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Old 11-09-2004, 10:47 AM   #10 (permalink)
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If the machine does it's job and is physically safe for people to pass through, they I totally accept it.
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Old 11-09-2004, 11:33 AM   #11 (permalink)
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It sure beats being stip searched. I will have to invest in those lead lined boxers though. hmm.... new company? lead lined boxer co. -LLB
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Old 11-09-2004, 11:39 AM   #12 (permalink)
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As long as they inform people of exactly what screening procedures will be used before they pay, it's perfectly acceptable for a private company to do this.
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Old 11-09-2004, 11:40 AM   #13 (permalink)
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It seems to me to be the next logical step in our terror stricken world. Unsubstantiated paranoia of the unknown will lead us to much deeper and more calculated invasions of privacy in the near future.
Anyone know what the mark of the beast is? We're closer than ever.
I predict that in our lifetime the very definition of privacy will change. Privacy does not even mean today what it meant 10-20 years ago. I sometimes think the last line of personal privacy is at the doorsteps of our homes, and that last line has been encroached more than once in recent years. The government will have full access to every mundane action of our day to day lives in a short time, and there will be nothing we can do or say to fight it, because the government will claim to be acting in our best interest, for the 'good of mankind', for the protection of mankind, for to fight against our terrorist enemies...
should this be in the tilted paranoia thread?
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Old 11-09-2004, 11:42 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I've decided I could live with this. I seem to recall there was a kind of "hall" people could walk down while being scanned like this. Given that it would speed up the security screening, and that people seem to want to be "safe", it seems like a "win".

One amusing bit I found was the one where they say
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like there's no such thing as homosexuals. IMHO, it doesn't matter who sees the image. I'd really like to see the faces on some orthodox Muslims when they encounter this, though.
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Old 11-09-2004, 12:08 PM   #15 (permalink)
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This gets us back to the argument about giving up your personal civil liberties vs. having more safety guidelines. I am all for flying in a safer environment. If this x-ray machine is used more readily and volunteering for it is no longer an option, if you don't like it, don't fly.
Some of us do not have the option of not flying. I cannot drive to Boston tomorrow if my Boss asks.

Using a slippery slope argument... (which can be true sometimes) what happens when our communication is monitored in the sake of nation "security". Will I be able to voice my opinions as freely?

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Old 11-09-2004, 12:58 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Damn.

I can't wear women's panties when I fly anymore.
Yeah...you can. The point is that it x-rays through your clothes...panties, and all.

I don't have any inherent problem with it...but I do predict that it's only a matter of time before the technolgy is abused. For example; low salaried x-ray machine operator is aproached by unscrupulous porn site operator, to take pictures of the x-ray images, as unsuspecting people pass through.
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Old 11-09-2004, 03:34 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Whatever.

I can still wear my belt...and I could kill you with it. I can still carry a metal pen. It could be a deadly weapon too. Or it could look like a pen, and be a spike. Or I could carry acid onto the plane in a coke bottle...or bring a couple of bottles - one Clorox and one Ammonia. Mix 'em up at 30,000 feet. Or I could carry a knife inside my laptop. Or a bazooka in my ass...wait. No, that one won't work.

For the benefit of John Ashcroft's buddies who are monitoring our communications - I WOULD NOT ACTUALLY DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS I JUST MENTIONED.

My point is that technology alone can't keep us safe.
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Old 11-09-2004, 10:58 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I'm with clavus,

the most dangerous weapon on a airplane is the brain in the bad guy's head.

I guess they'll need to build an x-ray capable of detecting evil thoughts.
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Old 11-10-2004, 12:53 AM   #19 (permalink)
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two things that I thought about have already been voiced here..
1) Just how much radiation will I be exposing myself to if I fly often?
2) Anything can be made into a weapon; it depends on the person holding/using it.
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Old 11-10-2004, 08:56 PM   #20 (permalink)
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but is there an option to save them? if so how many can you save in a day.. just think of all the people that pass though.. i wouldnt mind a bit.. but my kids.. man id be going to jail cuz i had to fuck up an attendant
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Old 11-10-2004, 09:34 PM   #21 (permalink)
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As long as there's an opition to decline such screenings I'll always opt-out. There's always around security and as based upon what I've seen already, this test won't make us any more secure so why should I deal with the inconvience?
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Old 11-10-2004, 10:00 PM   #22 (permalink)
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what 1 outta 5 can get on a plane with weapons and explosives still? sorry sir you cant bring on the plane your nail clippers. yet cell phones are save.. crap you can pack a cell phone with just enough plastique to blow a nice size hole in the side.. just a foot wide hole is enough to down a plane when they dont expect it. weird
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Old 11-10-2004, 11:14 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Old 11-10-2004, 11:17 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I like the idea, but is our airport security going to know how to use it? We federalize them, and they still don't know what they are doing...
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Old 11-11-2004, 06:46 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I love the fact that the terrorists who have tried to "bankrupt America", et al have simply driven new forms of commerce, new technologies, and new cottage industries into existance. The very act of being a terrorist is contributing to capitalist progress. How ironic...

Necessity truly is the mother of invention! If a need is exposed then before long somewhere out there someone will develop a product or service to fill that need and then someone else will find a way to do that better than the first.
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Old 11-11-2004, 06:52 AM   #26 (permalink)
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This technology has been around for awhile; I remember reading about it years before 9/11 in either Popular Science or Popular Mechanics. Many privacy advocates fear that this form of technology would reveal more than just what people are carrying; the possibility for embaressment occurs when people walk through with penile enhancements or other forms of surgery. How would a TSA grunt react to a woman with bolts in her neck?

I think this would be a good supplementary form of security. Individuals would have the option to use this security measure (which seems faster) with the understanding that they really wouldn't have anything to hide, and those who were uncomfortable with it would be allowed to use traditional means. Requiring airports to have noninvasive forms of security would be important, as I really don't like the idea of forcing people to be naked to get on a plane.
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Old 11-11-2004, 02:42 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Old 11-12-2004, 07:14 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Here's what a quick Google returned on exposure, "For example, in screening devices using backscatter x-ray, exposures are approximately 0.003 millirem (0.00003 mSv) per individual (Smith, 1995). This radiation level is so low that a passenger would have to go through the screening portal approximately 1,000 times to receive the same radiation dose as would be received from cosmic ray exposure at high altitude during one transcontinental flight from New York to Los Angeles. ".
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