10-16-2004, 11:08 AM | #41 (permalink) | |
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Your experience of my country is absolutley nothing compared with living here a lifetime. From what you've said (and only from that, as obviously I know nothing about you) you literally have no clue what you're taking about in that regard. Do not dismiss something so awful so hastily. And believe me, a bomb is a bomb, found or not. The fear that it creates is not something to detract from. "Minor squabbles". What an idiotic thing to say. Now, cool down, read my response again and see if I detract from the horror of the 9/11 situation. |
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10-16-2004, 11:13 AM | #42 (permalink) | |
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10-16-2004, 11:18 AM | #43 (permalink) | |
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Of course terrorism is awful in all it's forms and of course it creates fear in the public. That's the business terrorists are in, to create terror. And the fact that Europe has had to deal with terrorists for so long should give the cause to be behind America's actions as we go on the attack against terrorists and terrorist supporters, but instead Europeans turn to their second favorite sport behind football, criticizing America.
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10-16-2004, 11:21 AM | #44 (permalink) | |
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10-16-2004, 11:40 AM | #45 (permalink) | |
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The truth is, your president seems to have induced a state of heightened fear in my country. Indeed, my first thought after the 9/11 atrocities was "Oh sh*t! What will Bush do?! He could have us in a holocaust by the evening!" PS: BTW, despite what my government is trying to tell me, I'm english, not european. |
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10-16-2004, 11:41 AM | #46 (permalink) | |
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And? How will this effect the election more than a newspaper article? |
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10-16-2004, 03:19 PM | #47 (permalink) | |
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10-16-2004, 04:03 PM | #48 (permalink) |
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Being bombarded with spam from The Guardian would bother me a little less than all the swift boat attack ads and all that nonsense on tv. I don't see it as a big deal, as it will influence virtually no one. And if it does, well, that's how it goes. You are influenced by what you allow to influence you. But I definitely do not agree with all this "Mind your own country" talk. If everyone just minded their own country then we wouldn't know anything about anyone but ourselves.
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10-17-2004, 01:00 AM | #50 (permalink) | |
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Oddly Europeans who know nothing of America beside what they see of our TV shows (and based on what TV shows get shown in Europe, Europeans must have pretty low brow tastes), think they know whats best for America.
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10-17-2004, 01:09 AM | #51 (permalink) |
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Well, what you've done there is not read the whole thread, I guess.
For example: [QUOTE=dobster]...The truth is, your president seems to have induced a state of heightened fear in my country. Indeed, my first thought after the 9/11 atrocities was "Oh sh*t! What will Bush do?! He could have us in a holocaust by the evening!"...[QUOTE] The point thats been made is that YOUR country's actions can have a detrimental effect on the stability of world peace in a more dramatic way than other countries. If that's a misguided perception, I suppose you have to have lived outside The States to have reached that perception. The domestic way your country works isn't something people are trying to change, just the international way it influences things. If it seems blinkered, sorry. (EDIT: don't know why 'quote' isn't working)
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10-17-2004, 01:20 AM | #52 (permalink) | |
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10-17-2004, 01:23 AM | #53 (permalink) | |
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10-17-2004, 01:35 AM | #54 (permalink) | |
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But to some Americans they are still the only ones who experience terrorism, whereas the rest of the world only has to put up with a couple of bombs in some pubs and other such "minor squabbles". Yet more reason to write some letters if you ask me. |
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10-17-2004, 06:18 AM | #56 (permalink) |
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October 12th - 2002 - Bali bombing: In Bali, terrorists detonate bombs in two nightclubs in Kuta, killing 202 and wounding over 300.
Its funny how americans use september 11th as an excuse for almost any thing nowadays. They forget all the foreign workers who died there too. Last edited by daking; 10-17-2004 at 06:23 AM.. |
10-17-2004, 12:09 PM | #57 (permalink) |
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Well, I hope the British are successful and manage to change a few peoples vote away from the shrub. It's too bad americans feel that it's perfectly fine for them to meddle in sovereign nations affairs all the while ignoring foreign input into their affairs.
I don't hold a 9-11 victim or the event in higher regard than any other terror victim or event and nor should anyone else IMO. Dead is dead folks.
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10-17-2004, 12:55 PM | #58 (permalink) | |
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10-17-2004, 01:00 PM | #59 (permalink) | |
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We want to be nothing like you. And we certainly don't wear jeans! |
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10-17-2004, 01:16 PM | #61 (permalink) | ||
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10-17-2004, 01:32 PM | #62 (permalink) | |
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Britain and France declared war on Germany in 1939 because they had a treaty with Poland, who were invaded by the Germans. They were given a deadline to get out. The difference is that in this case the war was legal, a country was invaded, this was an act of war, and Britain had a treaty with this country. The Germans were quite happy with Hitler really, he was a good leader. Now, normally I'm open to views from all people on this topic, but it's fairly obvious that you don't really want to listen. Just step back a bit and look at America, a country that has illegaly invaded another and done what it wants, when it wants on the international political scene. I don't think it's any wonder that people from all over the world want to ask American votes to consider the effect that their foreign policy has. These letters won't be brainwashing, they will be polite letters explaining a point of view that Americans as a whole don't see. I'm sure that you agree that people should have all the information before they vote, and this is a way of giving them more. I'm also sure that the voters can think for themselves, being adults and all. |
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10-17-2004, 01:57 PM | #63 (permalink) | |
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In the case of these letters, I'm willing to bet that most people in Clark County, Ohio don't know what the Guardian is and have neither paid nor asked for the opinions of the people sending them letters. Instead they have these opinions forced upon them through their mailboxes.
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10-17-2004, 01:59 PM | #64 (permalink) |
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"The proposed redeployment would almost certainly put the British troops under US command."
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...329369,00.html If troops from my country are to be under the command of an American President then that President should be accountable to me, preferably through a vote. |
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10-17-2004, 02:06 PM | #68 (permalink) | |
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And France holds a veto vote in the UN security council. So this pretty much shows that going to the UN is a waste of time. Quote:
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10-17-2004, 02:06 PM | #69 (permalink) | |
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10-17-2004, 02:09 PM | #70 (permalink) | |
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10-17-2004, 02:19 PM | #71 (permalink) | |
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http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html "But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait" is basically "go and invade if you want to" It's no surprise that Kuwait would support the US, getting revenge by proxy! |
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10-17-2004, 02:54 PM | #72 (permalink) | |
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10-17-2004, 03:09 PM | #73 (permalink) |
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Mire you should head over to the politics board.
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Now, combine this window dressing with a succesully frustrated desire to have weapons of mass distruction, and you have... A pretext, and a flimsy one at that. I haven't been able to figure if Bush dragged us into this war for political, religious, or economic reasons, but I am pretty sure I am safe in ruling out national security concerns. Quote:
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But really, your assertion that the terrorism problems faced by other countries is insignificant compared to yours only reinforces the insular and self-obsessed stereotype of Americans that is already prevalent the world over. |
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10-18-2004, 03:10 AM | #76 (permalink) | |
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Muahahahah!!! I'm influencing the American election and there's nothing you can do about it!!!!
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10-18-2004, 04:11 AM | #77 (permalink) | |
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BTW there is more to being American than eating bad food and watching trashy TV. When more of our own people realize that the better off America will be. |
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10-18-2004, 04:28 AM | #78 (permalink) | |
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Germany is the most pro-american country in Europe and don't mistake France's desire not to import your culture as Anti-Americanism. They don't want to import British culture either! France holds dear to the ideals of Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite, which is exactly what the US used to be about. If anything it's the US which is now anti-american. Yes, I'm British. I spell favourite with a U and I'm proud of it! Last edited by jimbob; 10-18-2004 at 04:31 AM.. |
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I don't think you'd ever get the average person in Europe to say they are jealous of America just as a blanket statement. There might be one or two things they wish they had that is uniquely American but you can say that of every country. As an American I'm jealous of the Japanese and their endless amount of cheap electronic trinkets. I'm jealous of Mexico for their beautiful country and coastal areas. But that doesn't mean that I want to "grow up to be like Mexico". IMO to say you want to grow up to be like something that means you want all their good traits and all their bad traits...and if you can find me a poll where the majority of the French,German, or Italian people who would want their country to become exactly like America I would most assuredly be shocked. Hell Canada doesn't want to be like America and they really are the most like us in the entire world. To be honest the only people on the web I've run into that wilingly say they want their country to be more like America...are Brits(and a couple of very self-hating ones at that). Quote:
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