Suave

Well you don't have to join an organized religion to be religious You can be as free-thinking as you want if you don't agree with any of them.

filtherton

Anyone who speaks of christianity as a single entity with consistent ideology throughout has exactly no idea of what they are talking about.

tspikes51

Wow, this is exactly what I have been trying to say all along. Thank you.

You are suggesting that all religions seek to brainwash as many followers as possible, and all religious people are brainwashed. This is not true. The evidence here comes from the fact that I have in a sense made my own religion. I believe what I think is right based on my own heavy thoughts on issues of morality and the acceptance of religious doctrine/creed, and they change as often as I recieve new input. For example, I haven't found a Christian minister (nor many of its followers) yet that shares my belief that some of what the apostle Paul wrote in the Bible is faulted. The Bible is a collection of books put together by men, and must be viewed as such, however, some of it was God speaking, and I believe that to be true.

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tarvuz

I guess I have a bigger problem with people that are intolerant due to ignorance more than intolerant due to actually having educated themselves about the issue..no, I am still not good with them either..I guess I am intolerant about them as well

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alansmithee

Would you make this statement if "Christian" was replaced with homosexual? Or would that be being intolerant?

I had a teacher in a clas that never missed an opportunity to take a shot at Christianity. It was a world civ class, but he thought it was a hindu/buddist indoctrinasation class. I don't mind if professors want to show new ways of thought, but when they do it by trashing others, it really doens't make people open to their ideas.

alansmithee

That is incorrect. During the Dark Ages, after the fall of the Roman Empire, it was the Catholic Church that saved knowledge, and made advancements in science. They also were responsible for much of the literacy of that period.

waltert

halx, those are my sentiments exactly.

Its hard for me to not get angry at some religous people for their viewpoint on occasion. I dont know how someone can bring themselves to care if two homosexuals get married or not, it in no way affects my daily life, and there's no potential for it to. im not going to do it, but it doesnt mean that im going to approve OR disapprove.

there are arguments by some against homosexual marriage, adoption being one of them.
I feel that the homosexual adoption issue cowers before teen pregnancies and children being raised in poverty and not given the chance to a proper education.

I feel that religion was created as a way to aid in the development of society,
that being said, I feel that its ability to aid societys development is diminshing, and I think the affects of its hindrance to society are beginning to show.

sorry for getting off topic, but its refreshing to see that some share my viewpoints. all of the guys on the car forums I visit are typically republican protestants and attack the more "liberal" viewpoints whenever they are brought up.

Joshimus

i'm not gonna tolerate this talk anymo....

tspikes51

I'm as liberal as God-worshipping people come. I don't have a problem with gay/lesbian people, and I support civil union or what have you as a way of obtaining the same legal rights of married heterosexual couples. Marriage in the Christian churches is a religious thing anyways (bonding of a man and woman in a spiritual way), most Christian churches aren't going to marry gay couples, so I don't see what the problem with civil union is. I'll go to the polls and vote for it if that's what it comes to. I'm just saying that homosexuality isn't something I'd do, or would endorse. That being said, I've never told anybody that they were wrong or were going to hell or anything like that for anything that they've done, because that sure won't help me or anybody else out. I try to be a constructive person as much as possible, so I stray away from condemning people. That's just a lack of respect for that person.

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woodhead

So is it cool for a young girl and her sister to get their dad drunk so that he would fuck them and get them both pregnant? I mean that's in the bible, and as far as I can remember, they were a very righteous family. Anyone have the reference?

Edit: Found it Genesis 19.30-38. Mr. Lot and his daughters. And they do pay for it in the end, so my point is a little weakened.

19:30
And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

19:31
And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

19:32
Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

19:33
And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

19:34
And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

19:35
And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

19:36
Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

19:37
And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

19:38
And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

tspikes51

I was aware of this (I've read the Old Testament up to Psalms so far. Finished the New too). I don't believe Lot was called righteous, however, and if he was, the deed was definately not construed or said to be righteous. You saying that the Bible says that incest is OK because there is an example in it is like me saying that Orwell thinks that doublespeak is a good idea. David was called a man after God's own heart and fornicated with a woman, and out of shame put her husband on the front lines to die. The Bible also says that no man is without sin. Plenty of people did bad stuff in the Bible, but that doesn't mean that it condones that behavior.

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