dancin_homer

It seems that some company in the US has made cds which cant be burnt or copied onto your computer. If you try to burn them or download them to your computer they come out distorted and wreck your Speakers.

Is this the end of CD Burning

JStrider

hmmm i havnt heard anything about a new cd protection... have an article about it?

even if there is a new one... dont worry... someone will find a way around it...

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MageB420666

Not likely, as soon as one anti-copy tech comes out, a anti-anti-copy tech for that anti-copy tech is made. I don't know how the sound would ruin the speakers, or how a company would legally be able to implement this protection, since your legally allowed to make copies of music you own on your computer and use them for personal use, plus someone would sue the cd manufacturer for property damage.

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RAGEAngel9

Yeah someone will get around this in no time.
While I can't come up with the specifics right now, the beauty of pc's ( and other computers too) is that they can effectively simulate most other electronics( i.e. cd players, game consoles, etc)

SecretMethod70

Not to mention this violates fair use. Either I'm buying the physical media of the CD, or I'm buying the rights to listen to the contents of the CD. They can't have it both ways.

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sailor

Seriously, just wait a week. Someone will crack it.

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dancin_homer

If anyone wants to read the article here it is http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns9999998

Paq

seriously, what piece of 'anti-theft' software/device/whatever has not been cracked/hacked, or simply worked around in less than a week?

admittedly, it stops the casual offenders...sometimes, but really, it's just going to be blasted..

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The Phenomenon

As long as people are able to play the content, they will be able to copy the content.

K-Wise

This is fucking stupid. I don't get all the "stealing" or "pirating" bullshit. If someone purchased something they should be able to share it with whoever the fuck they want. Whats next? Are they gonna stop selling blank CD's too? I mean if the main purpose for purchasing one is to burn songs onto it then pretty soon they'll wanna get rid a those too. All these greedy bastards need to get the fuck over it already. Maybe if they didn't overprice CD's so damn much people wouldn't wanna burn em from someone else. Just cause they don't wanna take money out of thier own pockets to pay the printers, sound editors, cover artists, etc. the money they worked for that normally woulda been paid for by 25 dollars you expect some jackass to pay for a CD that has 4 good songs on it. Bullshit

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i can sum it all up at this.. my dad always told me thus:

Locks are nice son, they do wonders. But do you know what locks are for? Locks keeps honest people out. Thats about it.

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Don't like it? Vote with your wallet. Don't buy it.

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TheBrit

Copy Protected CDs. Technically they aren't CDs, but that's a different story.
Either way, I refuse to buy CDs with Copy Protected on the cover, but I did try one that a friend bought and my computer (Apple Powerbook G4, superdrive) handled it just fine, and ripped it to MP3.

Redlemon

First off, the term is "ripping", not "burning". Burning is when you write data to a CD, ripping is when you read data off of a CD and convert them to computer-readable files.
There'll be a way around it, I'm sure.

Glory's Sun

I'm in total agreeance(sp?) with this statement. I mean what's next? We can't listen to cd's in our cars unless everyone in the car buys it? That's sharing too isn't it? or what about a friend borrowing a cd for a little while? is that wrong too..geesh..

The Phenomenon

Actually letting your friend borrow it IS wrong according to them.

legolas

i remember they had some copyright protection before and all you had to do was hold ctr down when the cd drive was loading. millions of dollars wasted by just holding a button.

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Cynthetiq

I haven't bought a CD in over 10 years, and I'm not about to break the streak now.

Millions of $$$ goes into making movies and the VHS/DVD is $19.99, and the soundtrack for same movie costs $19.99 and far less people worked on that, hardly seems like fair profit margin to me.

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FaderMonkey

That's true...the article does seem to be talking about protection from ripping CDs, not burning copies of them. But, it does seem to say that it protects from both:

When you read though how this protection works, I'm not sure why you wouldn't still be able to burn a copy of the disc...at least if you have two CD-drives and you are copying directly from one CD to another. When you are doing that, aren't you just making an exact digital copy of the code onto another disk, meaning the burnt CD would have the protection as well from ripping?

I wish I knew which album has been released with this protection....I'd kinda like to buy it and see what happens.

Glory's Sun

this unnerves me to no end.

muchtomydelight

Rich people are so silly.

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tinfoil

Get used to it folks, this is they way things are going unless you talk to your representatives and let them know that, hey, you don't want the entertainment industry dictating what you can and can't do to you.

Fair use? Use it while you can, The INDUCE act will trample all over this one. Oh, and don't bypass that copy-protection to rip your legally purchased music to copy over to your iPod, something the 1984 Betamax case allows you to do (for now) because the DMCA pretty much makes that illegal as well.

Now, I don't normally advocate piracy, but in the case of corrupt CDs I most certainly do. PIRATE corrupt CDs. Show the execs that corrupt CDs do not sell.

Better yet, buy the CD (if it is not CLEARLY labeled as being protected and may have problems playing in some computers) and take it back to get your refund.

Even better, put some stickers on the CDs in the rack at the store!

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Cynthetiq

I advocate the buying and returning as protest but the placing on stickers is outright vandalism, plain and simple. IMO that's akin to the people to vandalize SUVs.

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tinfoil

Mm, good point Cynthetiq. Good point indeed.

I'm still upset over the hockey lockout.. I guess it's affecting my thinking ;>

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StickODynomite

You're kidding me right? This is getting ridiculous.

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rainheart

Yeah but then again the people who vandalize SUVs are doing more than putting a sticker, they take away from the beauty (by scratching the exterior perhaps or worse) and function of the vehicle (if they really damage the vehicle).

These stickers on the other hand just serve as a warning, and if you dont like them you can peel them off. At worst, if the sticker's adhesives are of poor quality, they won't come off too well and you'll have to peel it off bit by bit with your nails.

From a legal perspective it's vandalism but then again, ridiculous copyright laws protecting the pockets of selfish music industry execs are also laws, not to mention so many other laws that are completely pointless which you could still get in trouble for regardless.

It's just an imperfect (and harmless) compromise for an imperfect system.

Dane Bramage

You really think that's vandalism? It's a sticker on a plastic wrapper that easily comes off when they open the CD. It's not quite the same as damaging someone's SUV that costs them money to repair. Is the vandalism from the intent or the effect? Perhaps that is a question for the Philosophy board

In any event, I agree with you on the buy and return part. The article specifically says that they (the record companies) have seen no increase of returns with this new album. So they obviously look at that statistic. I think I will go and buy my first Brittany CD... then promply return it... unopened

DB

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nanofever

Your father was a very intelligent man. This copy protection will only stop home user who have actually purchased the CD and want to copy it. I will bet my left testicle that ANY (even semi-mainstream) CD which has this type of protection will be on Bit Torrent the same week as the CD's general public release if not earlier. Protection schemes only stop legitimate users from copying data; they have no impact on people who download data except for a good laugh when the torrent hits 100%.

Edit: Well, this protection scheme seems to be 100% effective in protection Charley Pride's "A Tribute to Jim Reeves" recorded in 2001. I think this is akin to developing a powerful new tactic to prevent people from stealing nuclear waste. I shall write "Plz don't steal, K thx" on a piece of 3x5 notecard and staple it to a drum of toxic waste. If I can comeback in a month and the waste is still there, this means that my protection scheme is a perfect success. I can then start to market my scheme to protect houses, businesses and perhaps even top security government buildings.

Double Edit: And Safeaudio is cracked...

"Now you know how it works, you probably will understand that you can just record the audio stream and burn it on a CD. Many people however don't think that is the best solution.

The best way to 'rip' (extract the audio to your HD) an audio CD is the direct way.

Burst Copy Mode

Recently someone reported to our site that there is software that is able to rip SafeAudio protected CD's very easy. Reported is that all software that is able to rip at Burst Copy Mode (In this mode the drive tries to write to the file while we read from the CD so we have a continue data stream) is able to rip SafeAudio protected CD's.

CDFS.vxd

Software that is able to do that, and besides that is always very handy is a modified version of CDFS.vxd. (Download here) Before installing this new windows CD-ROM driver you should think about 2 things:

# It does not work for Windows NT/2K/XP and with all CD-ROM players
# Make sure you have a backup of your original CDFS.vxd file (or just rename the old one to CDFS.old)


You can find the CDFS.vxd file that has to be replaced in the folder:

C:WindowsSystemIOSubSys

If you have succesfully copied the file, you need to restart your computer so the file can be loaded in the OS.

If all went well you can now open your Windows Explorer, and when you have a Audio CD in your drive it will show you all kinds of maps with choices of wav files. You can now pick the file you want and drag it to a folder on your HD ! "

http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/48/2

I wonder how much they actually spent to develop this particular scheme. At least this scheme requires a bit more than the rather humerous "hold shift" or "first get a sharpie" methods to break.

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kutulu

There is a way around anything. Why don't they see that they are wasting money on this shit?

Overlooked here is that safeaudio fucks with the error protection. When cd's get scratched, error protection is used to nullify the effect of the scratches. This technology fucks that up.

rainheart

So far, the only decent CD copy protection scheme I've seen employed is StarForce 3, and that shit is like... fundamentalist. Installs drivers without your consent, may mess up your computer if you're really unlucky, trying to remove it manually will royally screw you, etc etc.

DonnieBoy

what about making a mixed CD of your own music? i do this all the time i convert my CD's to MP3 format and make massive music comps so i can listen to 8 hours of music I like at work.? thats not illegal as long as I own the CD right?

DB

K-Wise

I'm sure it is. If not that than if someone at your work hears it and likes it so you make them a copy of it. Me and my mom do that all the time. I doubt they'll be banging down your door to arrest you for that though. That'd waste even more of our money.

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SecretMethod70

What *IS* illegal and what the RIAA would like you to *BELIEVE* is illegal are two different things. (Unfortunately, since it seems the republicrats are all too happy to bow to the RIAAs will, the differentiation between the two is growing smaller and smaller). It is, currently, legal to make as many copies of a CD as you want for yourself, so long as no more than one copy is playing at any given time. It is legal to play your CD in your house while others are there, so long as you're not charging them to listen to it (hence, clubs must pay licensing fees for the music they play, beyond just paying for the CDs). So, play CDs in your car all you want, even if others are there. Make as many copies of your CDs for yourself as you want, so long as you only play one at a time.

Now, just to show you how the RIAA, et al are inching their way towards making FAIR USE illegal, let us look at the current situation. At the moment, it is legal to do the things I outlined above. HOWEVER, if you have a CD with copy protection, it is ILLEGAL to make copies for yourself, even if it fits those guidelines mentioned above. WHY? Because of the wonderful DMCA, pushed forward by the entertainment industry. It makes it illegal to circumvent any copy protection scheme, even if you are doing so for a legitimate reason.

The first step towards illegalizing fair use has already been taken, and the second step is in the process as we speak. The INDUCE act will, in effect, reverse the betamax decision which says that all these things are legal. It is why VCRs, iPods, CD copies, and many other things are legal. However, there are many powerful people and industries attempting to push the INDUCE act forward, despite the overwhelming show against it with "save betamax" day a few days ago. So, it is important to do all you can to let your representatives know that you do NOT support the INDUCE act, and you don't want them to either.

More information about the INDUCE act, and what you can do to fight for your fair use rights, visit the following sites:

http://www.corante.com/importance/
http://www.corante.com/copyfight/
http://www.savebetamax.org/
http://www.downhillbattle.org/

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Cynthetiq

Well written. Also note that when you are in some store, notice that the background music isn't just some muzak anymore. It's also not a radio station. If you hear some top 40 music playing, it's subscribed play lists that the company pays for... add that cost to whatever you are buying, because it's not free.

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Phage

nanofever has posted two ways around the copy protection which basically point out what the real problem with making copy-proof PC media. If your computer can read it, can store it in memory in a usable form, then it can also be made to write it somewhere else. Think about it, your computer is really based around making very simple binary calculations and copying data from one place to another. Once you load something into memory it is extremely hard to keep people from doing whatever they want with it.

The glaring problem I see with this protection method is that they are introducing snippets of noise. Noise that is wildly dissimilar to the music you are trying to listen to, so wild that it is filtered out by the player itself because it assumes it has made an error. What I would see happening is someone ripping the original data onto a hard drive and munching it with an audio decoder which will filter out and interpolate a high-quality bridge for all the sections which are obviously ass. Tada! Not only do you now have a burnable CD, but there is no copy protection left!

SecretMethod70

It should also be pointed out, for nanofever's sake, that telling other people how to circumvent copy protection schemes is strictly against the law according to the DMCA. You're responsible for what you post man.

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billyeggs

What drives me nuts is that I can buy a cd for my ipod and not be able to rip it onto there!!! As far as I know, that is NOT illegal!

Rekna

I'm not sure if this is even strictly legal. You cannot commit a crime to stop a crime (self defense excluded). Intentially damaging equipment is a crime.

Now if the copy protection stopped the data from being playable/readable thats fine but destroying the equipment is a big no no.