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09-07-2004, 09:33 AM
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I gotta say I'm not an expert with pit bulls, and I can't write umpteen lines authoratively about why they're okay. I've met three pit bulls in my live, and they were all sweethearts. Wilson was the biggest wuss of a dog I've ever met. The other two were always energetic and happy to see anyone. My buddies had gotten the dogs as pups and simply raised them like any other well cared for dog. None of them ever acted in an unpredictable manner.
I really do think that any dog can snap and attack, they are dogs, you know? It's got to come down to the way the animal was raised, and how it's trained/controlled. I've met far more Dobermans that were violent, exciteable, hated anyone new, and were just generally scarey than any other animal. I've met Chows that I wouldn't come near without a shotgun. I've even met a Lab that was a grumpy bitch. A breed may have a stereotype attached to it just like anything else. Also, you know the media is going to report the living fuck out of a pit bull attack, and ignore the 45 other attacks reported the same day. So, take things in perspective.
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09-07-2004, 10:11 AM
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ok...everyone can offer thier "story" about the pit that they know. here are the facts: pits pass temperment tests with flying colors and come in well above average for all breeds of dog...including the cute and fuzzy golden retriever. thus, training and handling are absolutely vital in discerning between dogs that are more or less likely to attack. please know the facts and stop spreading the media based ignorance of a great breed of dog. and also wake up and realize what many of you are proposing: extinction!!!!! that means wiping an entire breed of animal off the planet FOREVER!!! and based on what? stories?
American Kennel Club Official Tempermant Statistics (based on 2003 data): American Foxhound 1 1 0 100.00% American Tunnel Terrier 2 2 0 100.00% Azawakh 1 1 0 100.00% Belgian Laekenois 4 4 0 100.00% Black and Tan Coonhound 13 13 0 100.00% Bluetick Coonhound 1 1 0 100.00% Boerboel 5 5 0 100.00% Boykin Spaniel 1 1 0 100.00% Caucasian Ovcharka 4 4 0 100.00% Chart Polski 1 1 0 100.00% Dutch Shepherd 5 5 0 100.00% English Jack Russel Terrier 2 2 0 100.00% English Shepherd 3 3 0 100.00% Estrala Mountain Dog 1 1 0 100.00% Finnish Lapphund 1 1 0 100.00% Havanese 2 2 0 100.00% Japanese Chin 4 4 0 100.00% Karelian Bear Dog 2 2 0 100.00% Lurcher 1 1 0 100.00% Miniature Bull Terrier 4 4 0 100.00% Old English Bull Dogge 2 2 0 100.00% Pungsan 2 2 0 100.00% Redbone Coonhound 3 3 0 100.00% Russo-European Laika 2 2 0 100.00% Sealyham Terrier 1 1 0 100.00% Sloughi 1 1 0 100.00% Sussex Spaniel 3 3 0 100.00% Sweedish Vallhund 1 1 0 100.00% Texas Heeler 1 1 0 100.00% Tibetan Kyapso 1 1 0 100.00% Tosa 3 3 0 100.00% Toy Manchester Terrier 9 9 0 100.00% Treeing Feist 1 1 0 100.00% Welsh Sheepdog 1 1 0 100.00% Welsh Springer Spaniel 5 5 0 100.00% Xoloitzcuintli 3 3 0 100.00% French Bulldog 16 15 1 93.80% English Cocker Spaniel 57 53 4 93.00% Bedlington Terrier 14 13 1 92.90% Pekingese 14 13 1 92.90% Hovawart 12 11 1 91.70% Leonberger 12 11 1 91.70% Flat-Coated Retriever 81 74 7 91.40% Pug 34 31 3 91.20% Labrador Retriever 623 567 56 91.00% Puli 22 20 2 90.90% Schipperke 98 89 9 90.80% Brittany Spaniel 97 88 9 90.70% Irish Setter 124 112 12 90.30% Presa Canario 10 9 1 90.00% Bull Terrier 49 44 5 89.80% Ibizan Hound 29 26 3 89.70% Irish Wolfhound 87 78 9 89.70% Scottish Deerhound 29 26 3 89.70% Border Terrier 86 77 9 89.50% Curly-Coated Retriever 141 126 15 89.40% Brussels Griffon 9 8 1 88.90% Dogo Argentino 9 8 1 88.90% Norfolk Terrier 9 8 1 88.90% Belgian Malinois 175 155 20 88.60% Borzoi 92 81 11 88.00% Dachshund (Miniature Longhaired) 16 14 2 87.50% Lowchen 8 7 1 87.50% Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen 8 7 1 87.50% Tibetan Spaniel 8 7 1 87.50% Newfoundland 165 144 21 87.30% Manchester Terrier 46 40 6 87.00% Pointer 15 13 2 86.70% Standard Poodle 201 174 27 86.60% Irish Water Spaniel 22 19 3 86.40% Siberian Husky 260 224 36 86.20% West Highland White Terrier 49 42 7 85.70% Bernese Mountain Dog 138 118 20 85.50% Chesapeake Bay Retriever 89 76 13 85.40% Mixed Breed 645 548 97 85.00% Bouvier Des Flanders 836 707 129 84.60% Whippet 175 148 27 84.60% Boxer 317 268 49 84.50% Basset Hound 32 27 5 84.40% Mastiff 141 119 22 84.40% Boston Terrier 51 43 8 84.30% Alaskan Malamute 177 149 28 84.20% American Pit Bull Terrier  446 374 72 83.90%Jack Russell Terrier 49 41 8 83.70% English Springer Spaniel 134 112 22 83.60% Staffordshire Bull Terrier 55 46 9 83.60% Akbash Dog 12 10 2 83.30% Australian Kelpie 6 5 1 83.30% Black Russian Terrier 6 5 1 83.30% Komondor 6 5 1 83.30% Maltese 12 10 2 83.30% Wire Fox Terrier 18 15 3 83.30% American Staffordshire Terrier 457 380 77 83.20% Golden Retriever 637 530 107 83.20% Great Pyrenees 125 104 21 83.20% Saint Bernard 41 34 7 82.90% Dachshund (Standard Wirehaired) 23 19 4 82.60% German Shepherd Dog 2642 2183 459 82.60% Yorkshire Terrier 34 28 6 82.40% Rottweiler 4423 3634 789 82.20% Vizsla 45 37 8 82.20% Clumber Spaniel 11 9 2 81.80% Dalmatian 299 244 55 81.60% American Eskimo 70 57 13 81.40% Gordon Setter 59 48 11 81.40% Australian Terrier 16 13 3 81.30% Cocker Spaniel 214 174 40 81.30% German Wirehaired Pointer 16 13 3 81.30% Miniature Pinscher 48 39 9 81.30% Australian Shepherd 517 417 100 80.70% American Bulldog 108 87 21 80.60% Briard 287 231 56 80.50% Pharaoh Hound 51 41 10 80.40% Toy Poodle 46 37 9 80.40% American Water Spaniel 5 4 1 80.00% Cane Corso 20 16 4 80.00% German Pinscher 5 4 1 80.00% Greyhound 55 44 11 80.00% Keeshond 80 64 16 80.00% Rat Terrier 10 8 2 80.00% Belgian Sheepdog 449 358 91 79.70% Papillon 69 55 14 79.70% Weimaraner 202 161 41 79.70% Bloodhound 29 23 6 79.30% Welsh Terrier 29 23 6 79.30% Border Collie 197 156 41 79.20% Dachshund (Miniature Smooth) 24 19 5 79.20% Collie 761 601 160 79.00% Dachshund (Miniature Wirehaired) 19 15 4 78.90% Shiloh Shepherd 14 11 3 78.60% Samoyed 270 212 58 78.50% Greater Swiss Mountain dog 167 131 36 78.40% Belgian Tervuren 373 292 81 78.30% Beagle 55 43 12 78.20% Great Dane 219 171 48 78.10% Miniature Schnauzer 96 75 21 78.10% Cardigan Welsh Corgi 54 42 12 77.80% Irish Terrier 9 7 2 77.80% Kuvasz 36 28 8 77.80% Old English Sheepdog 45 35 10 77.80% Pembroke Welsh Corgi 171 133 38 77.80% Bichon Frise 26 20 6 76.90% Airedale Terrier 95 73 22 76.80% Portuguese Water Dog 132 101 31 76.50% Australian Cattle Dog 140 107 33 76.40% Doberman Pinscher 1363 1041 322 76.40% Anatolian Shepherd Dog 21 16 5 76.20% Bullmastiff 104 79 25 76.00% Italian Greyhound 33 25 8 75.80% Miniature Poodle 62 47 15 75.80% Cavalier King Charles Spaniel 37 28 9 75.70% Rhodesian Ridgeback 204 154 50 75.50% German Shorthaired Pointer 114 86 28 75.40% Giant Schnauzer 218 164 54 75.20% Canaan Dog 4 3 1 75.00% Catahoula Leopard Dog 8 6 2 75.00% Chinese Crested Dog 28 21 7 75.00% Kerry Blue Terrier 48 36 12 75.00% Shih Tzu 36 27 9 75.00% Toy Fox terrier 8 6 2 75.00% Smooth Fox Terrier 51 38 13 74.50% Norwegian Elkhound 120 89 31 74.20% Pomeranian 31 23 8 74.20% Fila Brasileiro 11 8 3 72.70% Afghan Hound 161 116 45 72.00% Akita 397 285 112 71.80% Dandie Dinmont Terrier 7 5 2 71.40% Dachshund (Standard Longhaired) 31 22 9 71.00% Cairn Terrier 41 29 12 70.70% English Setter 17 12 5 70.60% Dogue De Bordeaux 47 33 14 70.20% Finnish Spitz 10 7 3 70.00% Otterhound 10 7 3 70.00% Chihuahua 33 23 10 69.70% Chinese Shar-Pei 198 137 61 69.20% Lhasa Apso 26 18 8 69.20% Norwich Terrier 13 9 4 69.20% Chow Chow 87 60 27 69.00% Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier 29 20 9 69.00% Silky Terrier 16 11 5 68.80% Saluki 60 41 19 68.30% Bulldog 119 81 38 68.10% Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog 6 4 2 66.70% Beauceron 9 6 3 66.70% Central Asian Ovcharka 3 2 1 66.70% Chinook 6 4 2 66.70% Dachshund (Standard Smooth) 42 28 14 66.70% English Foxhound 3 2 1 66.70% Shetland Sheepdog 440 292 148 66.40% Basenji 151 100 51 66.20% Scottish Terrier 32 21 11 65.60% Shiba Inu 23 15 8 65.20% Standard Schnauzer 52 33 19 63.50% Treeing Walker Coonhound 8 5 3 62.50% Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever 13 8 5 61.50% Polski Owczarek Nizinny 9 5 4 55.60% Neapolitan Mastiff 11 6 5 54.50% Bearded Collie 43 23 20 53.50% Lakeland Terrier 4 2 2 50.00% Tibetan Terrier 10 5 5 50.00% Spinone Italiano 5 2 3 40.00% Skye Terrier 8 3 5 37.50% Tibetan Mastiff 11 3 8 27.30% TOTALS 24,892 20,134 4,758 80.90% |
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09-07-2004, 10:22 AM
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sorry, i forgot to copy in the headings:
Breed Name Tested Passed Failed Percent ...or the number of dogs from a particular breed chosen to under go the battery of personality and tempermant tests. notice that for many breeds, only a handful of specimen were tested. i am not certain, but i think that the total number of specimen tested per breed was supposed to represent the approximate proportion of thier relative population. Last edited by bigoldalphamale; 09-07-2004 at 10:24 AM.. |
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09-07-2004, 10:27 AM
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here is another official organization that performs the testing and thier data is 2004.
linkie: http://www.atts.org/index.html argue all you like...the facts are available to discount any of the myths, falsehoods, and unfortunate circumstances surrounding the breed. use this information to educate yourself and others so that you dont appear ignorant in the face of people possessing the facts. thank you. Last edited by bigoldalphamale; 09-07-2004 at 10:33 AM.. |
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09-07-2004, 10:33 AM
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Im very curious about the numbers of dogs tested....some are very very low and some are extremely high out of 204 only 51 of those were over 100 in the number tested...what was the criteria?
Dobermans for example 1363 were tested
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09-07-2004, 11:12 AM
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here is an example of some stories you dont see...note that police did not include the pitbull's involvement in the report (dicks).
re: Posted on Sat, Nov. 08, 2003 CORAL SPRINGS Pit bull leaps to rescue A pit bull may have saved a 7-year-old Coral Springs boy from serious injury after two other dogs attacked the boy. BY HECTOR FLORIN hflorin@herald.com Anthony Romaro got the scare of his life Wednesday night when two Akita dogs, each weighing about 100 pounds, attacked him near his best friend's home in Coral Springs. But another kind of dog -- a type also known for vicious attacks -- may have saved the boy from more serious injuries. Witnesses said a 2-year-old pit bull named Missy played the part of hero during the attack. Missy, witnesses say, pulled the two Akitas -- Cella and Baci -- off Anthony after several struggles during a 15-minute span. Anthony, a 7-year-old Hunt Elementary School second-grader, is recovering after surgery at Coral Springs Medical Center. The dogs ripped much of Anthony's left ear and bit his skull before Missy fought them off of him, said Anthony's mother, Stephanie McGuire. ''He's doing better today,'' McGuire said on Friday. Missy suffered scrapes and cuts on the shoulders and buttocks, received a few stitches, and is back home. ''Missy saved the day,'' said her owner, Scott , who asked that The Herald not publish his last name. ``She just went out there and broke the fight up.'' Coral Springs police cited Sandra Ashley, the owner of the Akitas, for not putting a leash on the dogs, not attaching dog tags, not having proper rabies vaccinations and for biting Anthony. The fines are more than $800. McGuire, who is friends with Ashley, hasn't decided whether to press charges. The two Akitas are at the Broward County Animal Care and Regulation Division as Coral Springs police complete a dangerous-dog investigation, said animal care spokesman Allan Siegel. Whether or not Anthony antagonized the dogs, and how the dogs got loose, are among the issues police are investigating. If the Akitas are found to be dangerous, one of three things could happen, Siegel said. The owner may keep the dogs if she meets certain requirements, such as muzzling them when she leaves the home, and putting a dangerous-dog sign on the property. She may also appeal the decision, or surrender the dogs and have them euthanized. Police and witnesses said Anthony and some friends were outside Ashley's home when the dogs escaped just before 7 p.m. Wednesday. ''The dogs got out of the house,'' said Sgt. Rich Nicorvo of the Coral Springs Police Department. ``They bit him pretty bad.'' Scott, the pit bull's owner who lives next door, was drinking coffee outside his house when the attack started. He handed another witness a metal pipe to get the Akitas off Anthony. The unidentified person used the pipe to hit the dogs, but they continued attacking. ''They were really mauling him,'' said Scott, whose son, James, is Anthony's best friend. Scott then let Missy out of the house to break up the fight. Police did not document any information about the pit bull. Akitas have been known to attack humans. Last month, doctors euthanized an Akita owned by Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor after the dog bit 15-year-old Jonathon Raof on the arms and legs. The Akita Club of America Web site states the dogs have ''complex'' personalities and, while intelligent and loyal, can ''exhibit aggressive tendencies,'' though not necessarily toward people. |
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09-07-2004, 11:21 AM
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another:
re: Article Published: Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 3:08:40 AM AKST Fairbanks Daily News-Miner Dog helps youngster to safety By BETH IPSEN, Staff Writer A 3-year-old black and white pit bull resembling Pete the Pup from the 1940s "Little Rascals" shows grabbed the back of a girl's jacket and helped her out of a burning home Thursday night. After 6-year-old Autumn Marley alerted her mother that the Nordale Road home where they were staying was on fire, the dog--also named Marley, by coincidence--grabbed the girl as she struggled to get out the back door of the burning house and helped her to safety, said the dog's owner, Jennifer Ingram. "She's always been an awesome dog, but I didn't know she was capable to doing this," Ingram said of Marley, who she raised from a pup. Ingram wasn't home at the time, but said her temporary roommate, Julie Marley, was cooking dinner for herself and her two daughters when Autumn noticed the entryway was on fire. The three couldn't go out the front door and Julie Marley had to force open a seldom used back door to escape from the burning building. After Julie Marley stumbled out the back door, she turned around to see Marley the dog had grabbed her youngest daughter by the jacket and was pulling her out the opening, Ingram said. North Star Volunteer Fire Department Chief Dave Tyler said Julie Marley flagged down a motorist who called 911 shortly before 6 p.m. By the time firefighters arrived at the house near the Freeman Road intersection, the building was fully engulfed by fire. Ingram, 22, was shopping with her boyfriend, Daniel Martin, when Marley called her to tell her the house was on fire. By the time she got to the home, there were firefighters and lights everywhere. Marley the dog had been running loose during the chaos. "I'm going to take her to the vet tomorrow," Ingram said. "Her feet are frostbit." Tyler said the fire went up into the ceiling and Autumn Marley discovered the fire before smoke alarms sounded. Tyler said the cause of the fire is unknown, but it started in the entryway. What flames didn't reach in the house, heat and smoke seemed to touch, Tyler said. An initial estimate of the damage was $20,000, the fire department said. Ingram was at the house Friday with generators and flashlights her boss, John Keys, had loaned her while she and friends searched through the charred rubble in 25-below-zero temperatures for anything salvageable. "We're trying to salvage everything thing we can, but it's not really looking good," Ingram said. The American Red Cross has supplied Julie Marley and her children with clothes and Ingram with a pair of boots. The Red Cross set up a place to stay for the Marleys. Ingram is staying with a friend. "I just thank God that nobody was hurt," Ingram said. Reporter Beth Ipsen can be reached at bipsen@newsminer.com or 459-7545. |
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09-07-2004, 12:15 PM
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I also grew up with a 180 lb. ( YES... he was HUGE) Rott who was, in essence, a oversized puppy. He loved to roughhouse, but eas always gentle enough to not hurt you. If he did, he would stop immidiately and lick your face to death.
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09-07-2004, 12:36 PM
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I have had extensive experience with many breeds over the years and I don't feel that any particular breeds are more predisposed to violence than others. The problem is people who get these dogs and make them violent, either through pit-fighting or otherwise. Remember this is america and as long as a particular animal doesn't have a history of violence, they should be allowed to exist, no matter the breed. However, for the record, I believe all dogs should be obedience trained and pit-fighting needs to be fought much harder.
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09-07-2004, 12:47 PM
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09-07-2004, 01:36 PM
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bigoldalphamale,
To respond to your accusation (in another thread) that I support the "wholesale elimination of an entire breed", I respectfully ask you to read my posts. To engage debate, and to foster open discussion, I referenced a news story and a web page that described the Dangerous Dogs Act of 1991 and the Dangerous Dogs (Amendment) Act of 1997 in the United Kingdom. I said I supported their destruction, as laid down in the Act, if they attack a person. I'm aghast that you imply that you yourself do not. HOpefully I'm misinterpreting you! :-) I also said that they were bred for aggresiveness and this is patently true. They were bred to bait bulls, hence their name. To say otherwise is a misrepresentation of the facts. Mr Mephisto Last edited by Mephisto2; 09-07-2004 at 01:38 PM.. Reason: tone |
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09-07-2004, 01:45 PM
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most breeds in existance today don't actually perform the tasks they were orginally intended to do.. i.e. the Rhodesian Ridgeback was bred to hunt Lion. While I'm not totally sure ..I'd bet that they don't anymore. When a person hears this they think of a powerful, graceful and somewhat destructive breed. The latter is false of course. Ridgebacks are quite gentle..my point is that while pits may have been originally intended to bait bulls.. that shouldn't really factor into why or why not they are "dangerous"
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09-07-2004, 02:05 PM
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Of course it factors into why they are dangerous.
They were bred for aggresiveness and fearlessness. It's bound to impact the way they act in "today's world". You don't hear much about Poodles attacking or killing kids. Of course it happens, but it's presumably not as common. I don't have anything against any dogs. I support the Irish model which calls for ALL dogs to be muzzled in public. If a dog bites a human in public, that person should be able to have the dog destroyed. In nasty attacks, the state should automatically destroy the dog. It's quite simple. If you want a fighting dog, then keep it in control. If it bites me or my family, it will be destroyed. Mr Mephisto Last edited by Mephisto2; 09-07-2004 at 02:05 PM.. Reason: Spelling |
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09-07-2004, 02:44 PM
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the way pitbulls have been selected by breeders is to have a cranium that is too small to hold their brain, so many of them go insane because of head size problems.
i do not believe all pitbulls should be erradicated, i think that people should be more informed before buying a dog that they might potentially not be able to handle. if the dog mauls a little girl, the owners that were irresponsible enough to let that happen should be punished.
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09-07-2004, 03:01 PM
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My turn My turn!!
Ok being that I work at a vet clinic and I have done so for many many years..... Pit Bulls can snap wether or not they were raised to be aggressive. I have seen it time and time again. It is like something inside of them just goes "wrong". They can turn in a matter of seconds. Pitt Bulls should not be kept as pets Pitt Bulls should not be near children EVER Pitt Bulls should never be left unattended with other animals |
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09-07-2004, 05:07 PM
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sorry I don't see the problem as the dog...come on its the owners..they should certainly be allowed to raise them if they wish, but a 'sleepover' should have never happened..
alot of regulation comes from the liability sector...its not always the best answer...the dogs should be restrained, and children kept away! |
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09-08-2004, 05:30 AM
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name one breed of dog that 'likes' going to the vet...come on. my GF's australian shephard / lab mix needs to be sedated with doggie valiums, muzzles, and vet techs holding multiple leashes when at the vet...its not a vicious killer dog. all studies show, time and again, that pit bulls finish above average in tempermant tests and are more stable and well tempered than almost any other breeds of dog that are more commonly kept as pets and deemed 'safe' (e.g. golden retrievers). thats a fact...there's no arguing it.
mephisto...i can easily read from your statements, that you could care less if the breed was erradicated. your obvious misconceptions about the breed have mobilized your 'patent' stubbourness to block out any chance of changing your mind about this breed of dog...even in the face of the facts that i have provided, which show that the breed, when trained under normal loving conditions, is no more or less dangerous than any other breed of dog. again, there simply is no arguing with fact. additionally...your play on the nomenclature of the breed is ridiculous (as another poster has already pointed out). all breeds of dog descend from wild dogs which are, by nature, aggressive. they use sharp teeth and claws and cunning to hunt prey. it makes no sense to infer that retrievers and labs can have natural aggression bred away...but other breeds cannot. any trait, genetic or otherwise can be bred in and out of dogs, cats, what have you. i have a buddy in washington state who breeds ridgebacks for use as seeing eye dogs. the same ridgebacks which are used in packs to hunt lions in africa. It is quality of breeding and proper training and care that plays the biggest factor in a dog's tempermant. period. i respect and agree with several other of your positions mephisto, but i truly am surprised at what appears to be a display of relative ignorance on your part regarding this topic. and posting the laws of impoverished nations does nothing to support your opinions. ireland is a place where puppies born on farms are placed into a sack and thrown off cliffs or into lakes. where wild dogs roam streets, fields, and forests in packs. apples and oranges my friend...apples and oranges. |
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09-08-2004, 05:44 AM
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*ANY* dog can snap at any time. It isn't singular to one breed. I've seen a lab destroy a pit. I've seen a Chow (which are far more dangerous in my opinion than pits) destroy a persons arm... hell I have a nasty scar from a weiner dog. The point is that the owners should be responsible and know what they are doing and have a comittment to that before they even begin to buy a powerful and beautiful breed. |
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09-08-2004, 05:46 AM
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09-08-2004, 05:49 AM
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Yes, ANY dog can turn and snap at anytime. However of the hundreds of dogs I have worked with over the years.....the PIT BULL is the only one that does time and time again.
Yes, a lot of dogs hate going to the vet. It is a stressful situation. But the fact of the matter is in comparison to how other dogs handle that situation the Pitt was the only that was the most likely to have a problem with it. They just cannot be trusted that is all there is to it. Out of all of the breeds of dogs I have worked with this is the only breed that truely scares me. They are unpredictable. More so then any other dog I have come across. |
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09-08-2004, 06:23 AM
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sorry that your encounters have been so negative Nikki. its unfortunate...but all studies show the exact opposite of your experience. i have two friends whose wives work as vet techs at different clinics and each one claims that a certain breed of dog is worse than others...bichan frize (sp?) and poodle respectively. as an owner, i am at the vet's office regularly and i cannot support your claim that pits are the worst as my dog sits quietly and we watch a variety of other dogs freak out and fight each other or vet techs. my gf's dog is the most playful creature on the planet...but put it in the vets office and it snarls and foams at the mouth and snaps...one bad experienc getting its nails clipped early on changed his whole attitude about going to the vet.
anyway...i appreciate your weighing in Nikki...but please do not presuppose that your experience with pits should be construed as the 'norm', because it is far from it. |
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09-08-2004, 06:35 AM
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I have never dealt with a bad pit bull. Sometime the ones I have seen have acted scary but have been pussy cats. I know that they can do a lot of damage if they attack but if you check the statics they are not the biggest biters. Poodles are.
I question banning them all together. We have a Chow, who also have bad reputations. Both of the Chows we have had were brought up with a lot of love and human contact and neither would hurt a fly. The Male puts on a terrific show of aggression if you come in the yard. In fact he has broken the window out twice "going after something". You would swear he is a killer, but if you keep coming he just retreats and keeps growing and barking, usually from behind mommies legs. The point is they are not dangerous dogs, but people think they are. Same with most pits if they are brought up right. |
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09-08-2004, 05:03 PM
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09-08-2004, 09:16 PM
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I love Chow Chows. I think they are some of the most adorable looking breed of dog out there. Most of em scare the bajeesus outta me though heh. I haven't met a lot of friendly ones so to speak.
Adorable though just look at em. Like a little(big) fluffy bear.      They got them blue/purple tounges though...I hear those are associated it with bad temperment n what not. I don't think I find any breed of dog not cute though..I'm just a dog lover...I can't fuckin stand Poodles though...I have a bias against them though cause they're such proud lookin dogs and they groom them so sissy like they look ridiculous and they used to win all the fuckin dog shows too which really pissed me off. Cute as a button when they're puppies though. Asta!!
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09-08-2004, 10:15 PM
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There were two rottweilers across the street from me when I was a kid, and the dogs regularly stormed out of the neighbour's yard whenever they opened the gate to pull their car in or out.
THe dogs stormed us on many occasion, but this one time both jumped on my mother. My father got his pistol out and shot both dead on the spot. My mother had to get stitches in her arm and leg. I had a friend with two rottweilers as well. They were damn sweet well-trained dogs with basically perfect behaviour. But one day one of them just for some reason attacked my sister as she was walking in the front door. Luckily we yanked the dog of her in time but he wanted to bite her. These breeds were created to kill, and to be aggressive as hell. They are not suitable as pets, no matter how well trained they are. I don't think exisiting dogs should be killed with a nationwide ban or anything, but they should be banned, and it should be illegal to breed them. Have all the pitbulls castrated, and then this will basically be the last generation of them. Same for rottweilers. |
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09-08-2004, 10:32 PM
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Ewwww.... They look like a fatter, hairier Rosanne. Mr Mephisto |
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09-09-2004, 03:55 AM
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The bashing of Pit Bulls and negative treatment towards them pisses me off greatly, I myself have a Pit Bull, and I can say that Pits are the most loyal and protective of any breed of dog, the courage and loyalty which they display is without question, truly both best friend and protector. There's no such thing as a bad Pit, it's bad owners. It all depends on how you treat the Pit and raise him or her, I myself have nothing but love and respect for mine, and when I hear of a Pit Bull attack it saddens me to know that some asshole could take such a dog, one who only aims to please, protect, and be around it's owner, and take it and totally screw up it's head. But to me, no matter what I hear, I know what the facts are and still hold my dog in an extremly high level of regard. Matter a fact, I'd go on the record to say that I trust and care for my dog more then most humans I've ever met, including family...
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09-09-2004, 04:22 AM
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09-09-2004, 04:47 AM
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DOGS make mistakes...as in ALL dogs. not just pits. not just rots. even with proper training...accidents happen. how many times do you not hear the part of the story where the kids were throwing sticks or rocks at the dog and taunting it from the other side of the fence. then when the dog lunges over the fence and mauls the kid, everybody's like "KILL THE DOG!!! ITS OUT OF CONTROL AND UNPREDICTABLE!!!" well, i'll tell you what...i wasnt the brightest kid, but i knew enough to know that if i threw a rock at a dog and it bit me as a result...it was my fault.
Nikki...you're a mod and so i am not going to go out of my way to piss you off. i will let people on this forum weigh your experiences (the experience of a single vet tech) against those of multiple studies done by the AKC and AKKC, which are THE authorities on dogs in this country. additionally, people should also weigh the atmoshpere of a vet clinic...it is not any dog's favorite place and i would wager, the most likely place for a dog to act out of its normal tract of behavior. experiences at the vet with dogs should not be judged as the standard of normative breed behavior. this isnt that hard to figure out. |
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09-09-2004, 05:32 AM
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09-09-2004, 05:33 AM
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not suitable as pets, no matter what? I'm sorry I have to disagree. I've dealt with many rotts, many pits, many dobermans and alot of German Shepherds as well. Yes they can be temperamental but *ANY* breed can be temperamental. The breeds that everyone considers "dangerous" are, in my experiences, the most easily trained and most loyal of the breeds. Once again, as previously noted, dogs make mistakes just as humans do. I mean really, if one nationality of human is more aggressive then why don't we eradicate them? Just castrate them and it will be the last of their generation.. it's the same thing isn't it? It's harmful to humans. People say a dog hurt a human or mauled someone and they want the dog destroyed and the people put in jail. Another person harms someone or kills another person and everyone crys it's immoral to kill a human. I'm missing the logic in all of this. These breeds are powerful, beautiful and *require lots of attention, training and love* that's the key element. Most people who obtain these dogs sadly don't give the necessary attention to the breed. Let's look at the Lab for example, I've breed many champions and have always had top notch studs and bitches. I've done a good job training them and have only had one or two bad experiences. Everyone considers these dogs to be loveable and sweet; which in most cases is true. However, like I said I've had a few bad examples. In fact, I've seen a national breeder with possibly the best pedigree sell a puppy to someone and that dog ended up with the worst case of aggression I have ever seen in *any* breed I've dealt with. Does that mean it's dangerous? Possibly, but I blame most of it on the fact that the people took care of the pup(s) for about 4 months then they became too busy and neglected the dogs. Labs require alot of attention but not nearly as much training as pits and such do. This is where people make mistakes. They don't study about the breed and only go by looks or what they've heard. Some breeds aren't right for people. Plain and simple While I'm at it, I don't quite understand the last part of this statement: I don't think exisiting dogs should be killed with a nationwide ban or anything, but they should be banned, and it should be illegal to breed them: this seems oddly contradictive. |
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09-09-2004, 05:49 AM
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09-09-2004, 06:02 AM
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With Pit Bulls and my own personal experience with Rottweillers, I've heard a lot about loyalty and protection to family members. In most every reported case of Pit Bull attacks, it's not been family members who've been attacked, and it's not been intruders either. When I was attacked my a Rott, I was minding my own business. I'm sure this dog would never have attacked it's own family, but it had no problem attacking me, when I DID NOTHING to it. Loyalty to family is one thing, you can't expect a dog to have common sense... How do you train it as to who it can or can't attack?
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09-10-2004, 06:14 AM
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and I'm going to re-itterate
given the time, training and a knowledgeable owner this dog is perfectly fine with children. here's a link describing the dogs history and temperament. http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm and another: http://www.dogismycopilot.net/pitbulls.htm Last edited by Glory's Sun; 09-10-2004 at 06:25 AM.. |
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