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Old 08-27-2004, 12:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Abercrombie and Fitch Sells Sex not Sweaters.

Taking a walk in the mall is now hard to do without seeing half-naked guys and girls pawing each other. “Wait now,” you say, “Isn’t that what security guards are for? Kick those hormone-overwhelmed kids out of the mall!” Well what if those teens were actually blown-up photos, advertising for Abercrombie & Fitch? Students are perhaps attracted to the offer of sex when they see an underwear-clad gorgeous guy with a glitzy gal, wrapped up in each other’s inferred ‘romance’ on advertisement posters. Or maybe the youth of our nation is being drawn to the appeal of washboard abs and tiny tummies. Whatever the reason—it isn’t because the clothes are of commendable condition and sensible sizes. <P>
The morals of this large chain outlet are at an all-time low, targeting 13-17 year olds with their attractive models. Sure they may claim that their aims are at an older ‘more mature’ audience, but with themes such as half-dressed football players, it is obvious that Abercrombie & Fitch’s fans are young adolescent girls too naïve to see they’re buying into the hype. It is thoroughly ironic that Abercrombie & Fitch's own published numbers show the company’s last year annual sales peaked at $827-million with sales up 18%. And their biggest market? 7 to 14 year olds (GASP!), and 18 to college age young adults.<P>
The silliest thing is that, as teenagers, we constantly insist on rebelling from our parents—however, when it comes to clothing or attitude we flip ourselves upside down to be one of the norm. Why not buy a nice blue tee shirt and a pair of pants from Old Navy or the Gap? Oh no, we have to be like everyone else; we have to buy the itty-bitty fifty dollar sweater that barely covers our mid-drift and practically screams ‘I’M AN ABERCROMBIE & FITCH CONSUMER!’ <P>
Yes, there <i>are</i> coalitions and alliances rallying against this store that sells sex over shirts. The American Decency Association (ADA) claims “Abercrombie & Fitch targets teens at the most vulnerable point in their lives utilising images of young bodies, mostly unclothed, some partially nude, some totally nude, many in sexualised poses.” In fact, in 1999, A&F was called into court to account for distributing pornography to adolescents. While understanding the dispersal of pornography to minors is illegal, A&F continued to top the prior catalogue with its Summer 2002 Quarterly Catalogue. This ‘clothing’ catalogue is so questionable it comes with an XXX rating. Nudity, shirtless women frolicking about, and a man seemingly in bondage are just some of the disturbing images in the summer issue of the Abercrombie and Fitch quarterly.<P>
Abercrombie & Fitch has even proceeded to offend certain Asian-American families, causing a whole school in Los Angeles to protest and demand that the racist slanty-eyed caricatures be immediately removed. Yet, the majority of our student body still models shirts, pants, belts, and underwear with pricey tags stating ‘A&F.’<P>
There is a huge and obvious difference between decency and immoral smut, and Abercrombie & Fitch balances precariously between the two. It’s high time our generation turns away from such filth and starts buying from stores that deserve profit. Next time you visit the Valley Plaza mall, try resisting the urge to buy from a store that promises sex in exchange for cash. If everyone pitches in, maybe then A&F will get the picture that <i>their</i> pictures are tasteless and uncalled for.

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Old 08-27-2004, 01:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I like it la petite!

I've refused to buy from Gap, A&F, Ralph Lauren, and Old Navy and so on, because of their advertising campaigns. Although, occassionally I've suckered myself into Old Navy, because well... it's affordable, although walking into that store gives me nightmares.

Not just malls that have these questionable images now though either. Walking down the street/driving, I see these ads up at bus stops. It doesn't bother me, but I can see how people would get offended by it.

Of course, then I could find the link to the 70's Sears catalogue, with some questionable images in that too
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Old 08-27-2004, 01:19 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 08-27-2004, 03:16 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 08-27-2004, 04:26 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Yes, it is widely known that sex sells. Don't like it, don't buy it.
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Old 08-27-2004, 04:54 AM   #6 (permalink)
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it's common knowledge....that the age demograph pf 13 -17 (including college age folk)....is filled with trendy, follower type attitudes towards fashion. That's why stores like A&F target them....and are aiming to be seen as the 'in crowds' clothing. Would they sell as much if their ads had more reserved or even 'geeky' people sitting in the library reading books with their oversized glasses on? I hardly think so.These young consumers are so concerned with their appearance that regardless of price or quality, they will buy anything that is deemed popular. It's just the nature of the beast. We all grow up someday and realize that paying 60$ for a pair or underwear is a little ridiculous!
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Old 08-27-2004, 04:54 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I use to love A&F. I was soooo into the flannel shirt with a t-shirt under it and jeans just out of high school... but man they are expensive so i just started buying the same look at kmart for a fraction of the cost...

now im married, have a kid and dress like my dad "sigh"

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Old 08-27-2004, 05:08 AM   #8 (permalink)
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i neednt set foot in a mall for any of it. and thank god.

nice piece petite. good flow and to the point.
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Old 08-27-2004, 06:38 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Good piece of writing and good point.
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Good-looking, fashionable young people look more exactly the same today than they ever have. The biggest reason to avoid mass-marketed style is because the result of paying attention to what is sold is appearing to be a clone of everyone else.
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Old 08-27-2004, 07:12 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Good piece of writing and good point.
Thanks!

Good-looking, fashionable young people look more exactly the same today than they ever have. The biggest reason to avoid mass-marketed style is because the result of paying attention to what is sold is appearing to be a clone of everyone else.
You're right, ART, and that's exactly the major fear of adolescents. Not death or starvation, but the fear of being different. No kid wants the $120 Nikes because they might be comfortable or well-made. They want them because it would be certain ostracism to NOT have them.

Nike knows this. Abercrombie knows this. GAP knows this.

The cure, as I see it, is empowering kids with their own fiscal responsibility. Give your kid a clothing budget every three months and tell him/her to buy whatever clothes they want with that money. However, they cannot have one cent more no matter what. They can certainly buy the $120 Nikes if they really want them, but they'll soon learn the value of the $20 blue jeans and the Clearance rack at Old Navy.
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Old 08-27-2004, 07:33 AM   #11 (permalink)
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You're right, ART, and that's exactly the major fear of adolescents. Not death or starvation, but the fear of being different. No kid wants the $120 Nikes because they might be comfortable or well-made. They want them because it would be certain ostracism to NOT have them.

Nike knows this. Abercrombie knows this. GAP knows this.

The cure, as I see it, is empowering kids with their own fiscal responsibility. Give your kid a clothing budget every three months and tell him/her to buy whatever clothes they want with that money. However, they cannot have one cent more no matter what. They can certainly buy the $120 Nikes if they really want them, but they'll soon learn the value of the $20 blue jeans and the Clearance rack at Old Navy.
that's what my parents did for me, I had an allowance to buy clothes, books, and school outings. I had to make hard choices of something cool vs. something practical.

I never dressed cool in school, until I got a girlfriend and she started picking out clothes for me. The clothes that I got from shopping with her were bought with my earned money and not the allowance. We also used to fight alot about the clothes I wore because I was a well dressed teen and I had lots of business meetings after class so I dressed pretty conservatively usually.
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Old 08-27-2004, 07:36 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Yep, since like the age of 12 My father had given me a $40 a week allowance. Seems like a lot, but I needed to pay for all clothes, field trips, hot lunch, and spending money out of that it really taught me the value of saving vs blowing it all on something "cool."

At the age of 13 I got my first job and have been working ever since - with the exception of two weeks off when I was in between jobs when I was like 16.
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Old 08-27-2004, 07:39 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I can't say I haven't ever worn their clothes..but I didn't really pay attention to the marketing. I wear something because I like it and it fits well. I do agree that some of the marketing ploys are suspect but in a capitalistic society you're going to have that no matter what you do. I haven't worn anything from Gap (ever) I haven't purchased from A&F in about 6 years and truly hate their clothes now. Bananna Republic is ok but still pricey. I prefer to wear my worn in jeans and a concert t-shirt heh.
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Old 08-27-2004, 07:55 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Seriously, I saw the A&F catalog and half the pics were of naked kids! I thought "Hey, I already have that outfit!". After a week of walking around naked, I realized that it wasn't the new style. Thanks to the Fremont Police Department for being so understanding
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Old 08-27-2004, 08:01 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Old 08-27-2004, 08:33 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I've always been partial to the 'preppy' look, simply because i think it looks nice, and for me, it's comfortable. However, I've draw the line at buying clothes from from A&F. Not intentionally, of course, I mean, I might buy something there, except that every shirt I encounter that I sort of like has their logo plastered across the front, and apart from what LPM's article points to as 'wanting to be one of the norm', that it's trendy to wear A&F clothes...I really just don't see the point of wearing clothes with logos. And it makes me feel tacky.
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Old 08-27-2004, 08:34 AM   #17 (permalink)
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This article got a huge rouse out of those jerky girls that can waste mommy and daddy's money on trips to the mall every Friday. Everytime they would walk by me, they would shout: "OH LOOK I'M WEARING AN A&F SHIRT!!!!" Another group of girls "boycotted" me by wearing Abercrombie and Fitch for a week straight.
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Old 08-27-2004, 08:51 AM   #18 (permalink)
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This article got a huge rouse out of those jerky girls that can waste mommy and daddy's money on trips to the mall every Friday. Everytime they would walk by me, they would shout: "OH LOOK I'M WEARING AN A&F SHIRT!!!!" Another group of girls "boycotted" me by wearing Abercrombie and Fitch for a week straight.
oh.. i'm sure that showed you... lemmings and sheep.
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Old 08-27-2004, 08:56 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I see more of a dress "code" from pop stars. I work retail, where little (i.e. 6yr) girls want the g-strings they see in videos. They don't know that Brittney, et al. are selling sex in their videos, they just want to be like her. It's whats hot - like a tattoo over the ass, or a crop-top and low-rider jeans (no matter what your size).
Of course A&F sells sex - it works. Look at beer commercials or ads. Drinking whatever won't get you laid, but they play the game.
Bottom line - it takes involvement from the parents. And if you think you know enough not to listen to your parents - you don't know jack.
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Old 08-27-2004, 09:01 AM   #20 (permalink)
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PS: I'd like to make it clear to everyone that I was targeting the most mainstream thing I saw at school. Yes, I know beer commericials and other stores do this, and that sex sells...but I chose to write my commentary on A&F.
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Old 08-27-2004, 09:23 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 08-27-2004, 10:56 AM   #22 (permalink)
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…… it is obvious that Abercrombie & Fitch’s fans are young adolescent girls too naïve to see they’re buying into the hype.

…..when it comes to clothing or attitude we flip ourselves upside down to be one of the norm.

Why not buy a nice blue tee shirt and a pair of pants from Old Navy or the Gap?

Oh no, we have to be like everyone else; we have to buy the itty-bitty fifty dollar sweater that barely covers our mid-drift and practically screams ‘I’M AN ABERCROMBIE & FITCH CONSUMER!’


This ‘clothing’ catalogue is so questionable it comes with an XXX rating.

It’s high time our generation turns away from such filth and starts buying from stores that deserve profit. ---

Written for my high school newspaper.

I hope to make this constructive criticism, and I hope you take it as such. However, it IS criticism. In a thread (so far) full of people agreeing with you, it may stand out as more negative than it is. Please read what I write from the constructive criticism, and slightly devil’s advocate point of view. Thank you.

I quoted you in parts to highlight where I have issues.

Let me start by saying I commend you for taking a public stand for something you believe in. That takes a brave person. Even though I seriously doubt this article had any impact, other than increased negativity towards you, the effort was worthwhile.
The impact you had, was I think, on people who already agree with you. The rest of the impact would be to make those that disagree with you do so more fervently, and take those that didn’t much care and put them against your point also.

Two little problems editorially: There is no such word as “mid-drift.” The word is “midriff,” or “The middle outer portion of the front of the human body, extending roughly from just below the breast to the waistline.”

If you’re going to buck heads with people in a publication, you’ve got to hold a high grammatical standard. The first thing people will do when they disagree with you is look for holes in your argument. Right or wrong, they will see mistakes in the text first. Then they’ll attack your intelligence and credibility with your own mistakes. They may not be right, but those tactics are very effective. Today’s media proves that. DO NOT GIVE them that easy out. You have to work harder to oppose the norm. No social crusader ever had it easy.

Second, the A&F catalogue did not have a XXX rating. This is a bad kind of mistake for you to make, because it’s blatantly false. If anyone wants to, they can call you a liar now. That is not going to help your point. The A&F catalogue you refer to DID have XXX printed on its wrapper, as much as an advertising push, as a warning. The thing is though, A&F put that there, NOT some government (or other) ratings agency. I can put XXX on my birthday card, but it doesn’t make it so.
The quarterly did have nudity, and it did have very sexually suggestive poses. But, it did not show intercourse, oral sex, or other actual sexual activates that would give such a rating.
While you make your point, you’d have to be prepared to discuss the definition of pornography (which is a whole other huge topic to tackle) since you’ve used that label. It’s not an accurate statement, and can/will lead some people to miss your main point.




Very early in your article you called your own audience, the people whose behavior you aim to change, “young adolescent girls too naïve to see they’re buying into the hype.”

Well, you just alienated your target. Whoops. As I’m sure you know, teens do not like to be called adolescent, and no one likes to be naïve.

You go on to remind everyone that people practice herd behavior, and generally try to be accepted by meeting whatever norm is there to meet. Okay, truth. But, few people actually think they go to extra effort to meet that norm. They also won’t likely admit during high school that they are doing it. And what age group, over just about all others, likes to think it’s being independent for the first time? The one you just said is completely absorbed in being sheep.

I’ve been to Old Navy and the Gap. Not a whole lot more conservative than A&F. Splitting hairs really. The clothes are very similar, even if the ads have a different focus.

You remind your audience again you feel they are sheep. Whoops. Then you insult their intelligence. Whoops.
I guarantee you that no girl who bought the $50 sweater did so with the actual intention of being just like everyone else. She thought it was cute. Now you’re telling her what her “real” motivation was, and you’re doing so sarcastically. She’s going to listen to you why, exactly? It’s not going to be because you made her feel stupid and defensive, that’s for sure.


“It’s high time our generation turns away from such filth and starts buying from stores that deserve profit.” Okay, good. Not many people will agree with you that suggestive poses are filth, but it’s a start. Why does a store deserve profit? You’re assuming we all agree on what makes a store deserving. This is what you should have started your article with, and spent the rest explaining why oversexuallizing young girls is “filth” and showing the audience who you feel deserves your $$.

The trick when explaining why you feel A&F doing that oversexuallizing is bad is the hard part. Most people your age are not going to agree that an A&F shirt showing some tummy is filth. Not going to happen. The ones that do see that, already agree with you, so they aren’t your target audience. A&F deliberately poses young people who don’t yet fully understand their sexuality, or the inherent responsibilities with it, in overly carefree extremely sexual pictures. They know that it turns hormonal kids on. They know it turns a lot of people on, and they know a lot of people will go into a rage and provide free publicity.

You need to explain in a rational, and yet emotionally touching way, why you feel our bodies deserve more dignity than cheap use as a marketing tool.

That’ll get people to see where you’re coming from.

Explain why you feel sex, especially in younger adults, is a serious and personal thing that is being exploited for profit, and you think that’s wrong. Tell them why you feel their approach to the market is wrong. Concentrate on the companies practices as wrong, don’t tell the ones buying the clothes they are sheepish fools for falling for it.

Don’t talk exclusively to girls either. The whole thing fails to give males any reason to not shop there. They know there are hot girls in A&F stores, and they know hot girls advertise A&F. Giving a teenage boy a strong enough moral reason to not want to support a source of hot girls isn’t going to be easy.

Changing human behavior is perhaps the hardest thing to attempt. You have to get in their heads, look at your words from their side, think hard about what you’re saying to someone wearing an A&F shirt. Make them feel that shirt is dirty, but not that THEY are dirty for buying/wearing it. Make them feel like NOW they know the dirty secret A&F had. Make them feel smarter than the sex for $$ ploy. Then you’ll make some change.
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Old 08-27-2004, 11:34 AM   #24 (permalink)
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whoa....it's a highschool article.....not a publication to top execs.
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Old 08-27-2004, 11:41 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I don't shop at A&F, ever.... but I do own a pair of diesel jeans I bought at nordstrom rack...
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Old 08-27-2004, 11:56 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I don't know why people get so worked up about stuff like this.... A&F is just doing what works. Is there anything wrong with buying A&F clothing? Will they turn into sluts when they buy a shirt?

You may think that their clothes are "filth," but I don't not. I have never worn an A&F article of clothing in my life, but that is simply because I don't like the style.

Also, what's wrong with "washboard abs" or "tiny tummies"? Having a toned body is much better for you than being fat.
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Old 08-27-2004, 12:37 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Carn, when their advertising is so rude that it has an XXX warning, it makes a person wonder. Also, the washboard abs and tiny tummies advertise that everyone should starve themselves to become skinny. Abercrombie and Fitch also promoted racist clothing design as something cute and funny.

Personally, I don't really care either, but it's a little upsetting when 7 year olds are wanting to show themselves off to the boys.
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Old 08-27-2004, 12:41 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I don't know why people get so worked up about stuff like this.... A&F is just doing what works.
Bingo!!

A&F Uses Sex to Sell Sweaters is what the title of this thread should be. If people are complete dumbasses and fall for their stupid shit, then I tip my hat to A&F for being a successful company, and laugh at the people who buy their garbage. This is a total non issue.
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Old 08-27-2004, 12:54 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I think branding on clothes is 1000x more pervasive today then it was 5-10-15 years ago.

Where are you supposed to shop today for clothes or shoes these days that aren't covered with logos, or brand names or whatnot? every article of clothing from head to toe seems to have something on it identifying it to a company. i saw an iraqi fighter half way around the world on tv yesterday wearing a nike tshirt for christ sake. I wonder if its even possible to get just plain, generic stylish clothing??? I haven't found anyplace yet...
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I think branding on clothes is 1000x more pervasive today then it was 5-10-15 years ago.

Where are you supposed to shop today for clothes or shoes these days that aren't covered with logos, or brand names or whatnot? every article of clothing from head to toe seems to have something on it identifying it to a company. i saw an iraqi fighter half way around the world on tv yesterday wearing a nike tshirt for christ sake. I wonder if its even possible to get just plain, generic stylish clothing??? I haven't found anyplace yet...
on the train in NYC I saw my first triple branding shirt... Manchester Football Team with a Vodaphone logo in the middle with a Nike swoosh on the shoulder.

and it's not just clothing.. it's all brands.. branding branding branding... it's a corporate mantra.
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Old 08-27-2004, 02:00 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Hi PowerClown, I had a coca-cola rugby shirt in 8th grade, just like everyone else. Those were really cool.
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Old 08-27-2004, 02:09 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Well for sports teams, their clothing usually has several logos on them because they are sponsored by that company.

I don't starve myself, and I am in pretty good shape. I work out several times a week in addition to surfing several times a week. I eat like a starved pig, yet I take the time to work out and keep myself in shape. It is unfortunate that some people don't realize that not everyone can be a supermodel and that everyone has different bodies, but that's not A&F's fault. I agree with billege. Don't slam A&F and people for buying A&F, educate them instead. Teach parents to raise their kids right, and to not allow their 7 year olds to dress like sluts.

Btw, what stores deserve profit? Stores that my mom shops at? Stores that feature overweight people in their magazines?
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Old 08-27-2004, 05:49 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I have an Abercrombie and Fitch anecdote. When my shorts get frayed and worn, and in one case spotted with chlorine beach spots, what I do is, I take them to Abercrombie and Fitch and just leave them in a pile of their new 'worn' shorts. I laugh at the thought that someone will try to buy them.
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Old 08-27-2004, 06:39 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I don't agree with you and I also thought it was a poor article.

You essentially told an entire school population why they buy their clothes, and then you proceeded to critisize, even belittle them, for it.

I also think you did this not because you actually wanted to get any kind of humanitarian point across, but instead to create some kind of shock value for your newspaper.

Sorry for being harsh, but those are my feelings.
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Old 08-27-2004, 07:15 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Hmm Valley Plaza Mall, isnt that in Bakersfield?

Yea I guess I know where you are coming from. I stop going to that mall all together because I couldn't stand the crowd there. I do all my shopping at Gap Outlet factories now.
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Old 08-27-2004, 08:29 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I agree with the points billege made, but they won't do much good if cowman is correct.

I also think it's a bit of a stretch to promote Gap and Old Navy over A&F--all of them smack of preppy/trendy shit. If your argument is about cultural images, that line right there really undercuts your point. Better to have said to go shop second hand--that's the only place you wouldn't be contributing to branding and consumerism.

one can go to boutiques and thrift shops, powerclown.

on a differnt note, I can't get over the fact that my shoulder sling has a huge fucking brand name on the front of it! my shoulder sling. Even in my pain I have been transformed into a walking billboard.


haha, oh yeah, it's an UltraSling II by DonJoy

Whatever happened to UltraSling I?
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Old 08-27-2004, 08:33 PM   #37 (permalink)
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on a differnt note, I can't get over the fact that my shoulder sling has a huge fucking brand name on the front of it! my shoulder sling. Even in my pain I have been transformed into a walking billboard.
thank you ER. Ever since ER became a smash hit all the medical devices realized just how important tailgate bumper branding is...
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one can go to boutiques and thrift shops, powerclown.
no offense but i didn't waste 16+ years of my life in an educational system to have to shop at thrift shops as an adult. there's no getting around it, im a walking corporate billboard.
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I don't understand....Are you saying that you don't shop in thrift stores because you're educated? Or is it you're entitled to shop in better places because you managed to get through high school? Or are you saying you've got a good job thanks in large part to suffering through a decade and a half of school and therefore can afford to buy the more expensive stuff and that justifies the end?

I'm just not making the connection....

Why is everyone up in arms about A&F?

I mean, it has nothing to do with clothes; it's image. They sell an image. Nothing more, nothing less. Their models are fantastically good looking types that seem to ooze sexuality out of every single attractive pore on their air-brushed little bodies and if they can convince you that that image and their clothes are related then more power to them.

Should they be ashamed? To an extent. There preying on the insecurities of a demographic that, as much as they cry out for individuality, are, in reality, just looking to fit in. Are they ashamed? Absolutely not. In fact, to add insult to injury they don't just cultivate this image and let it be done. They slap their label somewhere prominent so, presumably sometime in the future they can take inventory of who's wearing their clothes and judge the effectiveness of their advertising and adjust the "shame level" of their marketing focus. To be fair, they're just doing what any good business would do, make money. It's just their methods that seem a little out of whack.

As for shopping in thrift stores....well, I seem to remember it wasn't so long ago that retro was "in" and thrift stores were hot. However, that didn't make any money for the GapStageClosetAbercrombie & Fitch folks. Now that all the stores are selling their version of "past fashion."

It's the new retro, baby.

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A great book pertaining to the "branding" of america is called "No Logo." I forget the author but I think her name was Naomi something.
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