Peeping tom sodomized by victims mother, friends and family.

[Cicero]

Is this right? Should we be taking justice into our own hands? Should those acting on behalf of the victim be subject to charges? This hits close to home. I grew up and have friends and family minutes away from where this happened. Worse yet, there are probably only 4 degrees of separation between the Peeping Tom and me (a friend of a friend of a cousin, etc knows the person).

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaind...2650775790.xml

Smoking Gun

[Carno]

No it's not right. Vigilante justice is never right.

But it's damn funny.

[maleficent]

One woman, Athena Lemieux, 20, of Elyria, a part-time exotic dancer at Bugsy's Speakeasy on West 25th Street, faces rape and felonious assault charges because police say she inserted a foot-long tree branch into Russo's rectum.

What a charming woman she is -- She's not even related to the 5 year old.

Police said one of the suspects rationalized their behavior saying, "It was not the smartest thing we've done . . . But he deserved it."

Gee, ya think? how about making the punishment fit the crime?

[Chingal0]

It's not that funny really, what's funny is the band of misfit criminals that decided it would be a good idea to basically kill some perv. Hollywood couldn't have picked a better bunch, they sound like some high-class citizens.

[kutulu]

Wow, that is fucked up.

[thunder]

Tough, real tough! But if he was even entertaining thoughts about harming that little girl.......

[MSD]

Vigilante justice should be reserved for when the legal system refuses to, or is unable to, take action, or when it utterly fails.

[Averett]

That is disgusting.

[canuckguy]

well as the father of a little girl I can see both sides of the fence, being angry enough to attack the perv (but not to that extend! that is what makes this wrong) that is what the police are for not your fists. pedophiles have no rights in my eyes, but maybe he was just thinking of doing a b&e not looking at the girl for example. but if he is one, then he should be treated like all other pervs...shot in the back of the head.

[Boo]

"Temporary Insanity" comes to mind.

[World's King]

Oh shit.

That's fuckin' funny.

a stripper shoved a foot long tree branch in his ass.. ouch, he musta gotten some splinters. good thing he was probably already unconcious when they pulled it out

[rainheart]

I love how everybody hates pedophiles and we don't understand shit about them, I mean I wouldn't allow them to screw little kids but everytime one of them pops up some crazy angry mob surfaces from the general population wishing the worst possible things for him/her; Like never sympathizing, never trying to fix their problem at the source, whatever it is.

People need a healthier outlet for all their stresses. Screwing little kids, castrating pedophiles, and beating and sodomizing peeping toms just aren't very healthy things to do, you know?

[Terminal Frost]

Well, if the guy wasn't off wandering around looking for little 5 year olds to wack off to this never would have happened to him. Not saying it was right, but I do think it's better that this happened to him than for him to have gotten away with it completely. He just happened to pick the wrong house, lol.

[ForgottenKnight]

It was not right for them to have attacked the guy, nor was it right for the guy to be there doing that in the first place. They should have just called the police and told them to come with their lights off as to catch him in the act.

[NoSoup]

Wow... just... wow...

And there was a 15 year old girl that partook in the beating/sodomizing of the guy? What the hell are they teaching her?

[orphen]

Originally Posted by ForgottenKnight

It was not right for them to have attacked the guy, nor was it right for the guy to be there doing that in the first place. They should have just called the police and told them to come with their lights off as to catch him in the act.

I completely agree. but note that those people were doing drugs in the first place.. they couln't call the police. it doesn't justify anything. they should never had beat up the guy...

[Jam]

I dont see how its funny at all.

The perv doing that is gross and he needed help or something (though now he might die )

The gang of people shouldnt have done that, its completely fucked up, especially the stick, and going back to see if he was alive and beating him more..


Now what are the parents of this 5 year old doing up at 4 am doing drugs and drinking?

I hope they get what they deserve (not death, but a long prison sentence)

[redarrow]

I dont get how you people call these guys pervs and whack jobs and such. Some people have different sexual turnons than others. Whats the score here?
And dont tell me that hes going to hurt these little girls. I would bet that he would just take pics of her. ??? and also dont tell me that this will scar her for life. Do you remember anything that happened while you were 5 years old? No, you dont. Case closed...

BTW I am NOT a pedophile Im just creating another side of the story.

[Fire]

Redarrow, a great many pedophiles do move on to actual molestation, and most people feel rather protective of their children- Would you let that pedo take pics of your kid?- I would hope that you would react in some way, and at least show some outrage - as to the memory thing, yes, I do remember quite a bit from age 5, and a bit before- I am sure that I am not unique in this- most people would tend to lable pedophilia as a true, "evil" of the world, and as a result, most would not be to concerned with how the pedo might be suffering from a mental affliction- I for one, am sure that there is a screw loose with them, but do not think that it is worth the trouble to understand, such people are simply defective and must be prevented from harming society- Imho, a bullet is a proven form of "therapy"

as to the details and what I think of this situation
on the one hand, I find it somewhat just that this man will serve as a warning to the pedophiles of cleveland, on the other it seems a bit harsh as he had no direct contact with the child- obviously the people who did the beating are not bright bulbs on the tree- looks like a double warning, against drunken stupidity, and perverts- no one wins, and everyones life is ruined.... even, probably, the kids.......

[orphen]

Originally Posted by Fire

on the one hand, I find it somewhat just that this man will serve as a warning to the pedophiles of cleveland, on the other it seems a bit harsh as he had no direct contact with the child- obviously the people who did the beating are not bright bulbs on the tree- looks like a double warning, against drunken stupidity, and perverts- no one wins, and everyones life is ruined.... even, probably, the kids.......

agreed, having her mother put to jail is probably worse for the kid than having a guy look at while asleep. from an utilitarian stand point, the "pervert" didn't hurt anyone by looking at the girl; though his sexual preference may have driven him ultimately to cause harm the little girl and to many, including me, his action is sickening, at the time of his death, he has yet caused any harm but perhaps to himself mentally (if we define his sexual preference as a problem). Furthermore, if you DO believe that one has the right to harm another because of his/her "problems" or that justice should be served, than killing another man is never justified under that belief. To harm another for his/her problem should only be to help him/her. to condemn someone for a "harmless" problem, I believe, is not correct. (harmless in a liberalterian way). I am in no way promoting peeking on another person, especially a defendless/innocent girl, but either way put, you cannot kill him for it.

[whocarz]

I think they went too far. A good, savage beating is what this crap pile deserved, but no one deserves to be raped. Certainly, if I caught someone looking in on my family and masturbating to them, I would seriously consider shooting them, but never sticking objects in their orafices. It's hard to take sides when both parties are so wrong. I'm in favor of just calling an airstrike in on the apartment complex to just make sure. But that's me.

[The Phenomenon]

I would have kicked his arse as well - but not to that extent. I would definitely not be shoving ANYTHINg up his arse.

[tropple]

Works for me.

Despite Dubya's desperate desires, the cops can neither be everywhere nor watch everything and everyone.

The should have simply buried the guy under a couple bags of lime and left it at that.

[jwoody]

Vigilantes facing death by government. Interesting.

[raeanna74]

What were they doing up at that hour partying. WITH her daughter home sleeping?? I mean the guy was getting a CD, safe to assume that they were going to be playing music. They were giving the girl a safe environment in the first place.

Yeah that guy should never have been there. He "asked" for it in a way. With a "low rent" establishment he can't possibly expect a somewhat civilized reaction. Of course he wasn't thinking right anyway.

Sure maybe the police might not have come in time. Though - if he didn't get caught once I bet he would have shown up again. The police could have caught him them.

One other thing. That woman lives there and didn't know there were cameras around?? What kind of drugs was she taking that she never noticed that?? DUH!

God there's just so much wrong with this story.

[omega2K4]

That guy is going to go back and shoot the place up.

[BoCo]

This group of six should be held up and treated as heros, not criminals. If I had the money, I'd buy them all the best lawyers.

[Bill O'Rights]

If you listen verrry carefully...you can almost hear the banjo's playing in the background. I can't even begin to say how screwed up this all is. There are nothing but losers here. Especially, and probably most tragic of all, the little 5 year old girl. What a bunch a fine, upstanding roll models she has...oh, had. How do you mend these scars? I dunno...maybe it's the best thing in the world that could've happened to her. Maybe she can be placed with a family that knows how to behave when young children are in the picture.

[maleficent]

Originally Posted by orphen

agreed, having her mother put to jail is probably worse for the kid than having a guy look at while asleep. .

Disagree -- Having the mother in jail will be the best thing for this child. This "mother" is clearly not a responsible person, who uses good sense and judgement, she has no business raising another human being.

[Rekna]

6 bad people off the streets, 1 young girl gets a second chance at life through a foster family. Sounds like karma to me.

[Glory's Sun]

the system is in place for a reason. Sure the system has holes and some problems but let's face it; two wrongs don't make a right, no matter how cliche it is..it's true. The guy is sick in the head obviously but the people who beat him up aren't exactly stable either if they are raping someone with a damn stick while a child watches. The guy didn't touch the girl but they raped him. I'm not saying he was right or defending him I'm mearly saying that they could have handled themselves in a different way, sending the guy to prison for a while and they would still have their lives intact. Now they are facing charges and the guy who was raped will probably not even end up in prison..

[moonstrucksoul]

not sure how i feel, No, i don't think that he got what he deserved, but if it was my house. . . . i think that i would have detained him , and let him get his ass raped in jail.

[Redgirl]

He definitely deserved his ass kicked a little, but only as a way to detain him for the police. The people who beat him are obviously retarded and should be held accountable for their failure to exercise restraint. Tree branch up the ass?! I mean holy shit?! I couldn't do that to my worst enemy! It takes a sadistic person to do shit like that, even to bad people. The whole situation is a cluster fuck, IMO.

Like Mal said- vigilante justice should only occur if the system fails you first. And only in extreme cases, like you got them on tape committing a heinous crime and then they get off on a technicality like no rights read or something.

[ratbastid]

Originally Posted by brian1975

... but if he is one, then he should be treated like all other pervs...shot in the back of the head.

Except that's not what we do with so-called "pervs". They're either put in jail for a finite amount of time, or they're treated for whatever psychological afflictions they have, or both.

That sort of thinking is what leads to cases like this.

[pinkie]

maybe it's the best thing in the world that could've happened to her. Maybe she can be placed with a family that knows how to behave when young children are in the picture.

Hopefully… My God this story is a tragedy.

[Kalnaur]

All I can say is that is screwed up beyond belief, all of it. I mean, what the hell?

People like those nuts scare me.

[Esoteric]

Damn that's some pretty fucked up shit.

[kutulu]

The appropriate repsonse would have been to beat him up enough to restrain him and notify the police. They crossed that line before they even sodomized him.

The report said they found pot. Sure, it's illegal, but I don't see it as any worse than a group of people drinking (as long as nobody drives home). I don't have an issue with it. Someone mentioned the cd and how that shows they were listening to music, however it doesn't say anything about how loud. You can have music on at a volume low enough to not disturb sleeping kids. I think you guys are assuming a lot there calling them lowlifes based on that.

What proves to me that they are lowlifes is the way they treated the peeping tom. First of all, they beat the shit out of him instead on restraining and calling the cops. Second, they were planning on dumping the body if he was dead. Third, they sodomized him.

[animosity]

This isnt vigilante justice... this is a bunch of thugs beating & raping a man until he almost dies. I hope they rot.