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Scorps · 08-13-2004, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by Xell101
I think it's crazy she became one with the couch! Seeing as how she dind't move from that couch, I wonder what the hell kind of individual would support that lifestyle!

She couldn't move she got stuck and no one helped her get up!

KellyC · 08-13-2004, 10:46 AM

Damn. I didn't know you can "merge" with a foreign object like that. That's pretty bizare.

Bill O'Rights · 08-13-2004, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Blonddie
I am curious to find out what happened to the kids she took in. Many crude jokes come to mind....

Eeeeewwwww

Blonddie · 08-13-2004, 02:31 PM

Eeeeewwwww [/B][/QUOTE]

I didn't say 'em..did I?

anleja · 08-13-2004, 04:47 PM

It is pretty easy to be critical of a faceless stranger, but I don't think it is right to call this woman a piece of shit, or whatever, due to her not being able to find a reason to get off her couch. I think people's disgust should be directed at her "husband." Can't he be charged under some sort of Good Samaritan law or something, for not doing anything to help her?

Oh, there I go, criticizing a faceless stranger.

It seems like something that would be in the movie "Se7en." Like, 2 or 3 of the sins rolled into one.

They're gonna have a hell of a time selling that house.

Holo · 08-13-2004, 05:00 PM

I always go to bat for fat ppl but I must say this is outside my level of compassion if she made a conscious choice to get this way.. I've struggled with my weight thru out my life but I honestly could never get to the point of losing my ability to get up and move around. She must have had some severe mental problem or maybe some weird kind of agoraphobia (fear of outside) that made her afraid to get up from the couch at all. That said I don't think we can exactly judge the situation without full disclosure of the facts. On the surface she is an easy target for ridicule, but I think there's definitely more going there.

viejo gringo · 08-13-2004, 05:11 PM

---and to think, I was bitching because I was getting old...

08-17-2004, 04:11 AM

Simply unreal and sad

Seer666 · 08-17-2004, 04:27 AM

Heard about this one. Good ridence, I say. If she was so fucking lazy she couldn't get off the damn couch for so long it fused to her, then the gene pool is better off without her. I know some people are just plain large, but that isn't just fat. It's fat and lazy. How many of my tax dollars went to feeding that thing through wellfare? Fuck her. At least she had the good graces to die.

sapiens · 08-17-2004, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Hwed

Sorry, I hate to sound heartless, but I don't buy this. Sure, some people are more prone to becoming fat. But at the end of the day, it's that person's choice to chew and swallow more food than necessary to keep the body going. It's called self control.

I think that you give free will too much credit. To be that obese, she must have had some serious physical problems leading to the obesity including but not limited to a genetic loading for obesity.

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Originally Posted by Trisk

I hate when people use the hormonal imbalance excuse for people that get this bad. Yes, some people have hormonal imbalances and will always be a bit chunky. But far less people actually have this than we like to pretend...

And this woman is a very, very rare case. It seems likely that she had some problems other than a desire to sit on her couch and eat till she couldn't get up anymore.

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Originally Posted by Trisk

and even if you have that, it simply doesn't make you get *this* obese. You will be a little bit chunkier than the average person for your whole life with a hormonal imbalance but that doesn't mean you will consistantly gain weight.

I disagree. It is more than possible that she had some type of disorder (hormonal or otherwise) that could have led to her gross obesity.

lurkette · 08-17-2004, 07:42 AM

I cannot believe the vitriol that is being directed at this poor woman. Good lord - do you think she ENJOYED being 400 pounds and stuck to the couch? I can't imagine what her life must have been like, or what kind of misery she suffered. Why are people so vicious about this? You have no idea why she was the way she was. Have some fucking compassion.

May you all come back with glandular disorders in your next lives!

Terminal Frost · 08-17-2004, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Destrox

I too guess I am one of those insensitive bastards that feels no sarrow for these people at all.

When do they decide that they have a problem? 200lbs overweight? 400? 800????

In no way possible did that weight happen in a short time, it took time and thier own willing self to make it happen. ANd then MY tax dollars pay for thier fat asses, fuck that.

Shoot them, and use my money for better things.

I can't tell you how happy I was to finally read this post after all the other bleeding heart nonsense that was posted before this one. You really highlighted every point that I was thinking about while reading the original story. What really floored me was the amount of effort they put in to building a fucking special device so they could get her fat ass off the couch and to a hospital. If I recall correctly I believe someone said something about burning the house down and I would have to agree that that would have been the best course of action. Oh yes, and before that they should have let some of the locals come in a take pop shots at her with a BB gun just for fun - I would have loved to have been part of that.

Charlatan · 08-17-2004, 10:12 AM

Damn it... where was Richard Simmons during all of this...

water_boy1999 · 08-17-2004, 10:47 AM

WTF???? First, I am dismayed that this woman got to the state of obesity she died with. There is no excuse for it, especially since her so called husband was caring for her. Where were her friends and family?

Second, I am more dismayed at some of the rude, heartless, and fucked up comments some of you are making about people that have weight issues. Whether they have hormonal inbalances or are just plain lazy, these people need help, not people like you continuing to bring them down. I do have enough compassion to know she was still a human being. NO, she does not deserve to be shot, she should not have the house burnt down, she should not have to suffer anymore than another human. I am noticing a trend of comments like this lately. I don't know if some are trying to be funny or legitimately have no heart. As my mom used to say, if you don't have anything nice to say, then shut the fuck up! Ok, she wouldn't say STFU, just sounds better.

Not having compassion is one thing. Being grossed out, sick to your stomach, etc...are all understandable reactions. Leave the aforementioned comments out of it and grow up people.

My 2 cents.

ShaniFaye · 08-17-2004, 10:57 AM

Ditto Water_boy when I read the comment that said

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Oh yes, and before that they should have let some of the locals come in a take pop shots at her with a BB gun just for fun - I would have loved to have been part of that.

I wanted so BADLY to say something but it wouldnt have been nice and I didnt want the mods to have to edit it. Its really sad to know that some people can be so down right CRUEL.

Yes she was fat, yes its a gross story...but hell fire people...for someone to actually do something like that is beyond my comprehension

Terminal Frost · 08-17-2004, 01:27 PM

Ok OK - Yeah, the last comment was just meant to express my anger at how someone could let something like this happen to themselves. I woudln't actually do that to her, but I would feel like.

I don't understand how you can all feel so bad for her! Think of all the shit that she is putting on other people because now they have to deal with her now that shes dead. Also, why should we be so tolerant of something this rediculas and disgusting??? This woman took no fucking responsibility for ANYTHING and put it all on other people, including all the firemen and officals that had to spend their day trying to get her fat ass out of her disgusting house. Do you have any idea how many bad things happen to good people that really didn't deserve anything to happen to them? How the hell can you feel sorry for someone who just throws their life away like that? Theres not enough room for people like her in our society. Maybe if everyone else was living a great life and there were no other problems we could dedicate some resources, time, or even thought to a woman like this. But there are more important things going on, and this fat ass ate herself to death - so fuck her.

ShaniFaye · 08-17-2004, 01:33 PM

well speaking on behalf of myself, I said

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The whole thing is just so sad so SO many levels

But yes I do feel sorry for her, I feel sorry for anyone that has that little sense of self worth

ironman · 08-19-2004, 12:47 PM

For some reason this made me think of Seven, kinda mix between glutony and sloth... Sad story, but i can almost bet it won´t be long for us to see the movie

ironman · 08-19-2004, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

Damn it... where was Richard Simmons during all of this...

Man you are a genius!!!

ManWithAPlan · 08-19-2004, 04:12 PM

muscle weighs more than lard.

rubicon · 08-19-2004, 04:35 PM

Imagine the poor landlord that has to get that place cleaned up for the next tenant.

A short time after New Year's last year I was getting my car washed. As they were finishing, an SUV pulls up. A stocky Armenian gets out of the driver's seat (I was in "Little Armenia" near Hollywood) and motions to the manager of the car wash place. They talk and one of the lowly Mexican car wash dudes comes over. They start talking about a price - I can see concern on the manager's face.

I noticed the left inside door of the SUV was messy - dark stains all over it. Some other stains on the window. Curious, I asked the manager when he walked past me. He said that a man shot himself in the head on New Year's Eve while sitting in the SUV. The Armenian gentleman wanted the car cleaned out.

I've always thought that sort of thing falls under "biohazard" with suits, masks, etc. This guy was trying to get a local car wash (and poor Mexican guys) to clean out the gore.

Very sad.

calliman · 08-20-2004, 09:29 AM

So um. . . .I take it your life is perfect then, or should we be equally heartless when you have a problem or twelve?

Sure, she brought it on herself (and btw she may not have brought the weight on herself - some people have a hormonal imbalance that makes them gain weight even when they're eating right and exercising) but I'll grant you that she brought the "I'm not moving off this couch" bit on herself.

look if she was too damn lazy to get off the couch , WHO THE FUCK FED HER ERRR AND WHO BOUGHT THE FOOD sounds a bit fishhy to me

calliman · 08-20-2004, 09:31 AM

QUOTE So um. . . .I take it your life is perfect then, or should we be equally heartless when you have a problem or twelve?

Sure, she brought it on herself (and btw she may not have brought the weight on herself - some people have a hormonal imbalance that makes them gain weight even when they're eating right and exercising) but I'll grant you that she brought the "I'm not moving off this couch" bit on herself.

look if she was too damn lazy to get off the couch , WHO THE FUCK FED HER ERRR AND WHO BOUGHT THE FOOD sounds a bit fishhy to me

Squishor · 08-21-2004, 09:59 AM

I think a lot of the more reactionary posts here are assuming that this woman and her "husband" were rational, normal people capable of making reasonable choices. To me, aside from the gross-out factor, it seems self-evident that these people were not capable of making the choices that any of us would were we to find ourselves on the couch like that woman. Nobody chooses to suffer, it goes against basic instincts. Clearly they were impaired, probably in multiple ways.

Years ago I used to live down the street from a woman who had two adult children living with her...all appeared to be at least borderline retarded (or whatever the pc term is). The son was this skinny wretched filthy guy with really long fingernails that had a bunch of black stuff caked under them. He used to just come around, stand there and stare. Once in a while he'd say a word or two. My landlord's girlfriend told me that one time they went in the house to help with something, and his bedroom closet was overflowing with piles of shitty underwear - I guess he had no control, so he's just wear a pair until it was caked with shit, then throw it in the closet, which proceeded to fill up and overflow into the room. These people didn't even have the rudimentary sense to make a dump run and dispose of it.

xepherys · 08-21-2004, 12:46 PM

I have to agree with skinnymofo...

There is no excuse for such idiocy. Medical problems be damned, she could've got her lazy fat ass off the couch when she weighed 200 pounds and tried doing something about it. Even at 300 pounds. She got what was comming to her. Shit or get off the pot, anyone?

Now, before anyone starts flaming me, I'm being utterly serious. Can you imagine this being YOU? If you can, get help for goddess' sake! If not, then why not? Because you get the hell up and move every hour or two. Even in my LEAST active, I'm sitting on the couch playing Halo for no more than an hour or two before I have to get up to piss! Why feel pity for this person?

ManWithAPlan · 08-21-2004, 01:52 PM

i think that we shouldn't jump to conspiracy theories.... it happens.. shit happens.. this isn't the first or the last, infact there are probably atleast a hundred cases like this going on right now.

Bentley Little · 08-21-2004, 02:25 PM

It is almost something out of The Twilight Zone...Woman Fuses with Couch. Man that's fucked.

combatmedicjen · 08-21-2004, 02:54 PM

I just became very motivated to drop that 5lbs I've gained...

Esco · 08-21-2004, 09:06 PM

I think it's much more sad than disgusting. Sad that she let herself go like that. Sad that her family did, what appears to be, nothing about her situation.

cookkee · 08-21-2004, 10:04 PM

i think that old guy living with her might still be in deep shit (pardon the pun) after the investigation she needed to be forcefully removed from that situation a lot earlier
while theres life theres hope she might have come good
to some of the others who were heartless make sure u never ever fuck up in your whole life

xepherys · 08-22-2004, 04:50 AM

cookkee... it's not a matter of never fucking up... but what she did was more than an impulsive mistake. To have gone that far she'd have to constantly choose that "mistake" every day/hour/minute of her life for YEARS! That's much, much more than a simple mistake. I'm not a heartless person, but I don't feel the need to help those that don't desire to help themselves. If she couldn't convince herself to get up to take a shit long before it got this bad, then that's just too bad. *shrug*

welshbyte · 08-22-2004, 06:25 AM

You hear about sicko guys (called "feeders") who keep their vulnerable wives/girlfriends indoors and just feed them up so they can't move and they have to do everything for them, even wash them and muck them out, so to speak. They're a real bunch of weirdo f*ckheads. I reckon this might be one of those cases and the guy is lying. *shudder*

manicarzo · 08-22-2004, 07:31 PM

sickening... speaking of fat, the "low carb craze" --------- even hearing it makes me want to assault whoever/whatever says something about it. worst marketing scam ever. this is one of those things that will show up on VH1 "I Love Last Year" shows.

08-13-2004, 10:46 AM	#42 (permalink)
KellyC Comment or else!! Location: Home sweet home	Damn. I didn't know you can "merge" with a foreign object like that. That's pretty bizare. __________________ Him: Ok, I have to ask, what do you believe? Me: Shit happens.

08-13-2004, 02:31 PM	#44 (permalink)
Blonddie Crazy Location: Southern California	Eeeeewwwww [/B][/QUOTE] I didn't say 'em..did I? __________________ "There's one in every family...two in mine actually.."--- Zazu

08-13-2004, 05:00 PM	#46 (permalink)
Holo A Real American	I always go to bat for fat ppl but I must say this is outside my level of compassion if she made a conscious choice to get this way.. I've struggled with my weight thru out my life but I honestly could never get to the point of losing my ability to get up and move around. She must have had some severe mental problem or maybe some weird kind of agoraphobia (fear of outside) that made her afraid to get up from the couch at all. That said I don't think we can exactly judge the situation without full disclosure of the facts. On the surface she is an easy target for ridicule, but I think there's definitely more going there. __________________ I happen to like the words "fuck", "cock", "pussy", "tits", "cunt", "twat", "shit" and even "bitch". As long as I am not using them to describe you, don't go telling me whether or not I can/should use them...that is, if you want me to continue refraining from using them to describe you. ~Prince

08-17-2004, 04:27 AM	#49 (permalink)
Seer666 Oh dear God he breeded Location: Arizona	Heard about this one. Good ridence, I say. If she was so fucking lazy she couldn't get off the damn couch for so long it fused to her, then the gene pool is better off without her. I know some people are just plain large, but that isn't just fat. It's fat and lazy. How many of my tax dollars went to feeding that thing through wellfare? Fuck her. At least she had the good graces to die. __________________ Bad spellers of the world untie!!! I am the one you warned me of I seem to have misplaced the bullet with your name on it, but I have a whole box addressed to occupant.

08-17-2004, 07:42 AM	#51 (permalink)
lurkette My future is coming on Moderator Emeritus Location: east of the sun and west of the moon	I cannot believe the vitriol that is being directed at this poor woman. Good lord - do you think she ENJOYED being 400 pounds and stuck to the couch? I can't imagine what her life must have been like, or what kind of misery she suffered. Why are people so vicious about this? You have no idea why she was the way she was. Have some fucking compassion. May you all come back with glandular disorders in your next lives! __________________ "If ten million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France

08-13-2004, 04:47 PM	#45 (permalink)
anleja disconnected Location: ignoreland	It is pretty easy to be critical of a faceless stranger, but I don't think it is right to call this woman a piece of shit, or whatever, due to her not being able to find a reason to get off her couch. I think people's disgust should be directed at her "husband." Can't he be charged under some sort of Good Samaritan law or something, for not doing anything to help her? Oh, there I go, criticizing a faceless stranger. It seems like something that would be in the movie "Se7en." Like, 2 or 3 of the sins rolled into one. They're gonna have a hell of a time selling that house.

08-13-2004, 05:11 PM	#47 (permalink)
viejo gringo Registered User Location: Deep South Texas	---and to think, I was bitching because I was getting old...

08-17-2004, 04:11 AM	#48 (permalink)
Diamond Guest	Simply unreal and sad

08-17-2004, 10:12 AM	#53 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Damn it... where was Richard Simmons during all of this... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

08-17-2004, 10:47 AM	#54 (permalink)
water_boy1999 Fly em straight! Location: Above and Beyond	WTF???? First, I am dismayed that this woman got to the state of obesity she died with. There is no excuse for it, especially since her so called husband was caring for her. Where were her friends and family? Second, I am more dismayed at some of the rude, heartless, and fucked up comments some of you are making about people that have weight issues. Whether they have hormonal inbalances or are just plain lazy, these people need help, not people like you continuing to bring them down. I do have enough compassion to know she was still a human being. NO, she does not deserve to be shot, she should not have the house burnt down, she should not have to suffer anymore than another human. I am noticing a trend of comments like this lately. I don't know if some are trying to be funny or legitimately have no heart. As my mom used to say, if you don't have anything nice to say, then shut the fuck up! Ok, she wouldn't say STFU, just sounds better. Not having compassion is one thing. Being grossed out, sick to your stomach, etc...are all understandable reactions. Leave the aforementioned comments out of it and grow up people. My 2 cents. __________________ Doh!!!! -Homer Simpson

08-17-2004, 01:27 PM	#56 (permalink)
Terminal Frost Tilted Location: Manhattan Island	Ok OK - Yeah, the last comment was just meant to express my anger at how someone could let something like this happen to themselves. I woudln't actually do that to her, but I would feel like. I don't understand how you can all feel so bad for her! Think of all the shit that she is putting on other people because now they have to deal with her now that shes dead. Also, why should we be so tolerant of something this rediculas and disgusting??? This woman took no fucking responsibility for ANYTHING and put it all on other people, including all the firemen and officals that had to spend their day trying to get her fat ass out of her disgusting house. Do you have any idea how many bad things happen to good people that really didn't deserve anything to happen to them? How the hell can you feel sorry for someone who just throws their life away like that? Theres not enough room for people like her in our society. Maybe if everyone else was living a great life and there were no other problems we could dedicate some resources, time, or even thought to a woman like this. But there are more important things going on, and this fat ass ate herself to death - so fuck her.

08-19-2004, 12:47 PM	#58 (permalink)
ironman Smithers, release the hounds Location: Guatemala, Guatemala	For some reason this made me think of Seven, kinda mix between glutony and sloth... Sad story, but i can almost bet it won´t be long for us to see the movie __________________ If I agreed with you we´d both be wrong

08-19-2004, 04:12 PM	#60 (permalink)
ManWithAPlan Addict Location: M[ass]achusetts	muscle weighs more than lard. __________________ In the end we are but wisps

08-19-2004, 04:35 PM	#61 (permalink)
rubicon Stop. Think. Question. Location: Redondo Beach, CA	Imagine the poor landlord that has to get that place cleaned up for the next tenant. A short time after New Year's last year I was getting my car washed. As they were finishing, an SUV pulls up. A stocky Armenian gets out of the driver's seat (I was in "Little Armenia" near Hollywood) and motions to the manager of the car wash place. They talk and one of the lowly Mexican car wash dudes comes over. They start talking about a price - I can see concern on the manager's face. I noticed the left inside door of the SUV was messy - dark stains all over it. Some other stains on the window. Curious, I asked the manager when he walked past me. He said that a man shot himself in the head on New Year's Eve while sitting in the SUV. The Armenian gentleman wanted the car cleaned out. I've always thought that sort of thing falls under "biohazard" with suits, masks, etc. This guy was trying to get a local car wash (and poor Mexican guys) to clean out the gore. Very sad. __________________ How you do anything is how you do everything.

08-20-2004, 09:29 AM	#62 (permalink)
calliman Upright	So um. . . .I take it your life is perfect then, or should we be equally heartless when you have a problem or twelve? Sure, she brought it on herself (and btw she may not have brought the weight on herself - some people have a hormonal imbalance that makes them gain weight even when they're eating right and exercising) but I'll grant you that she brought the "I'm not moving off this couch" bit on herself. look if she was too damn lazy to get off the couch , WHO THE FUCK FED HER ERRR AND WHO BOUGHT THE FOOD sounds a bit fishhy to me

08-20-2004, 09:31 AM	#63 (permalink)
calliman Upright	QUOTE So um. . . .I take it your life is perfect then, or should we be equally heartless when you have a problem or twelve? Sure, she brought it on herself (and btw she may not have brought the weight on herself - some people have a hormonal imbalance that makes them gain weight even when they're eating right and exercising) but I'll grant you that she brought the "I'm not moving off this couch" bit on herself. look if she was too damn lazy to get off the couch , WHO THE FUCK FED HER ERRR AND WHO BOUGHT THE FOOD sounds a bit fishhy to me

08-21-2004, 09:59 AM	#64 (permalink)
Squishor Frontal Lobe Location: California	I think a lot of the more reactionary posts here are assuming that this woman and her "husband" were rational, normal people capable of making reasonable choices. To me, aside from the gross-out factor, it seems self-evident that these people were not capable of making the choices that any of us would were we to find ourselves on the couch like that woman. Nobody chooses to suffer, it goes against basic instincts. Clearly they were impaired, probably in multiple ways. Years ago I used to live down the street from a woman who had two adult children living with her...all appeared to be at least borderline retarded (or whatever the pc term is). The son was this skinny wretched filthy guy with really long fingernails that had a bunch of black stuff caked under them. He used to just come around, stand there and stare. Once in a while he'd say a word or two. My landlord's girlfriend told me that one time they went in the house to help with something, and his bedroom closet was overflowing with piles of shitty underwear - I guess he had no control, so he's just wear a pair until it was caked with shit, then throw it in the closet, which proceeded to fill up and overflow into the room. These people didn't even have the rudimentary sense to make a dump run and dispose of it.

08-21-2004, 12:46 PM	#65 (permalink)
xepherys <3 TFP Location: 17TLH2445607250	I have to agree with skinnymofo... There is no excuse for such idiocy. Medical problems be damned, she could've got her lazy fat ass off the couch when she weighed 200 pounds and tried doing something about it. Even at 300 pounds. She got what was comming to her. Shit or get off the pot, anyone? Now, before anyone starts flaming me, I'm being utterly serious. Can you imagine this being YOU? If you can, get help for goddess' sake! If not, then why not? Because you get the hell up and move every hour or two. Even in my LEAST active, I'm sitting on the couch playing Halo for no more than an hour or two before I have to get up to piss! Why feel pity for this person?

08-21-2004, 01:52 PM	#66 (permalink)
ManWithAPlan Addict Location: M[ass]achusetts	i think that we shouldn't jump to conspiracy theories.... it happens.. shit happens.. this isn't the first or the last, infact there are probably atleast a hundred cases like this going on right now. __________________ In the end we are but wisps

08-21-2004, 02:25 PM	#67 (permalink)
Bentley Little Insane Location: In my head...	It is almost something out of The Twilight Zone...Woman Fuses with Couch. Man that's fucked. __________________ That is my 2 cents.

08-21-2004, 02:54 PM	#68 (permalink)
combatmedicjen Banned	I just became very motivated to drop that 5lbs I've gained...

08-21-2004, 09:06 PM	#69 (permalink)
Esco Insane	I think it's much more sad than disgusting. Sad that she let herself go like that. Sad that her family did, what appears to be, nothing about her situation.

08-21-2004, 10:04 PM	#70 (permalink)
cookkee Upright	i think that old guy living with her might still be in deep shit (pardon the pun) after the investigation she needed to be forcefully removed from that situation a lot earlier while theres life theres hope she might have come good to some of the others who were heartless make sure u never ever fuck up in your whole life

08-22-2004, 04:50 AM	#71 (permalink)
xepherys <3 TFP Location: 17TLH2445607250	cookkee... it's not a matter of never fucking up... but what she did was more than an impulsive mistake. To have gone that far she'd have to constantly choose that "mistake" every day/hour/minute of her life for YEARS! That's much, much more than a simple mistake. I'm not a heartless person, but I don't feel the need to help those that don't desire to help themselves. If she couldn't convince herself to get up to take a shit long before it got this bad, then that's just too bad. shrug

08-22-2004, 06:25 AM	#72 (permalink)
welshbyte Insane Location: Wales, UK, Europe, Earth, Milky Way, Universe	You hear about sicko guys (called "feeders") who keep their vulnerable wives/girlfriends indoors and just feed them up so they can't move and they have to do everything for them, even wash them and muck them out, so to speak. They're a real bunch of weirdo fckheads. I reckon this might be one of those cases and the guy is lying. shudder* __________________ There are only two industries that refer to their customers as "users". - Edward Tufte

08-22-2004, 07:31 PM	#73 (permalink)
manicarzo Upright	sickening... speaking of fat, the "low carb craze" --------- even hearing it makes me want to assault whoever/whatever says something about it. worst marketing scam ever. this is one of those things that will show up on VH1 "I Love Last Year" shows.