crow_daw

OK, so listen to this fucked up story. My friends and I go to have a party to celebrate two of our friends' birthday, which just so happened to fall on the same day. One of said birthday boys, believe it or not, was none other than H12.

Now, when we have small get-togethers, they pretty much go very well. We just get together, drink a little bit, no harm is done. We've had one huge kegger before and it actually went extremely well. Massive success. So we thought we would try again, but not go for as big a party this time, but still just as fun.

So we get a keg.

Now the disclaimer. I'm always preaching about how I don't like it when people here bash the South. This story contains one incredibly drunk asshole. He's a big corn-fed motherfucker. BUT do not judge the South based on this story, because, regardless of what some of you may think, you're going to find assholes like this ANYWHERE YOU GO. So this is my thread, and if you're planning on responding with a cute little "Well, it's TN....nuff said" remark, then just have enough respect for me and my thread to not do that. I'm not opening up a redneck-bashing thread here.

This guy shows up with some mutual friends of ours. He's one of these 26 year old dudes who still comes to what basically amount to high school parties because he has no life. We didn't really want him there, but he actually is a pretty nice guy most of the time, he just had a little(well a LOT) too much to drink this particular night.

First of all, it all started with H12(keep in mind it's HIS fucking birthday party) getting his cup stolen by another friend of ours, who just so happens to be the assholes little brother. Well H12 tried to get his cup back, and was very civil about it as well. But the little brother was drunk too, and took it all the wrong way. So he hits H12 in the face. H12 is sober, so he tries to calm him down. I see this whole thing transpiring and I walk up to see if I can mediate. The big guy then comes up to me and asks me if I was starting shit with his little brother. I tell him no, and I really wasn't because his little brother is my neighbor and we're actually pretty good friends. So he tells me "Good, don't start no shit with my brother." Then, while he's still talking to me, he just fucking hauls off and punches H12 right in the fucking head. But then he backs off, apparently satiated. He then apologizes to me, and says it was a misunderstanding(now me and this guy were not prior friends, but for some reason he took a liking to me, and I'm glad of that, but he still was being a huge dick to everyone else.) H12 tries to apologize, and does actually eventually get it worked out. Thank God.


But ladies and gentlemen, that's not all. A friend of mine who is in the U.S. Army came with two if his Army buddies. I didn't talk to either one of them, but they seemed cool enough, and everyone else who did talk to them told me that they were indeed two very cool easygoing guys.


After the entire H12 thing had subsided and was over, everyone pretty much got back to the party. I was just mingling, and I go to refill on beer. So I walk to the keg, and the asshole is sitting there next to one of the soldiers. I missed the entire conversation prior to this, but when I got to the keg, the asshole says "Hey Crow, tell this guy he better not fuck with me man." And I thought he was joking. So I told the guy not to fuck with him, with a very light tone. I didn't think anything would come of it. Well I get beer and I get about two steps away when BOOM! the asshole punches the soldier right in the face, for no apparent reason. The guy runs off to the shadows to recuperate for a second and the asshole goes and uppercuts him. He then returns, laughing and shit, and everyone is pretty much just staring at him. The soldier gets with my friend(the Army friend, with whom the now-injured soldier arrived) and they leave.

Well my Army friend calls my cell phone and says, "That motherfucker is going to die tonight." I try to talk him down, but he's dead fucking serious. I mean me and my friend get along great, but he is kinda crazy at times, so I believe him. And the rumor was that his soldier friend, the one whose face was now desheveled, was even crazier. So I get worried, and start trying to talk him down, but he won't listen and eventually hangs up. So this party is essentially ruined and with it my two good friends' birthday. I'm worried to death thinking there's going to be a fucking homocide, and my Army friend calls back and says "Tell every minor there that's drinking to leave, cause I'm calling the cops." Again I tried to talk him down, cause we're at my friend's house, and that would fuck him over big time and he hadn't done anything wrong. Again he refuses to give in. So I start going around to my underage friends, telling them they should get out of there, when I run into my Army friend's ex-girlfriend, who is still pretty obsessed with. I explain the situation to her and she calls him. She calms him down and he agrees not to call the cops.

By this time the asshole is trying to hang around me alot and is making me very uncomfortable. I was just waiting on something else bad to happen. So me and the two birthday boys broke out of there. To my knowledge everything went reasonably well after we left, but it was still the worst, most disturbing party I've ever been to.

Why do some people have to be such assholes?

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sailor

Because they are assholes. Not much you can do about it. There's one at every party, its just that some are worse than others

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NotMinus

That is bad and im glad they talked some sense into your army freinds. I think though it should have been made clear that everyone should side on having this 26 year old leave after the first incident with H12 (?) Its not acceptable behavoir and collectivly, im sure you could have thrown him out.

That being said, a couple months ago I was at a big kegger. We had three kegs going. After two were tapped the house needed another $50.00 to break even so everyone pooled their money and came up with the $50.00. Their were cheers as someone went to the bathroom to get the third keg from the bathroom tub (filled with ice) and to our suprise it was gone. A few people their were invited by Rob. Rob's buddies went into the bathroom and pushed the keg out the second story window and had someone stand on a picknik table below to grab it. These people were such assholes that despite, drinking as much as they could possiblity want from three kegs for 10 CDN they had to steal the keg and ruin the party on principle. I have a hard time beliving that some people are just that unkind.

Journeyman

On the first phone call from the army buddy, you just needed to scream, loud as you can, "NO! You bring guns to my house for this guy and I swear I'll testify against all three of you! No! No no guns! NO! GUNS! Shit." Then hang up and tell the guy he needs to split.

CaptainGumby

Instant asshole...just add alcohol. Unfortunately, some people just like to fight. Any reason why they were allowed to stay after they hit H12? I would have thought their asses would have been out the door after that.

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MaGlC_MaN

i was at this party and if we had tried to ask him to leave him his friends woulda wanted to brawl. theyre all fucking crazy like that and the drunker they get the crazier they get. this was the most bullshit thing i've ever seen. that asshole needs to pay. the army friend of crow_daw happens to be my best friend and it was hard talking him into leaving but we eventually got him to leave. that in itself is bullshit, why should they have to leave when it's the other fuckers that start all the shit. i've never had a problem with these guys but i probably will never go to another party that i know they'll be at just because they can't get drunk without bullshit like this going on. my friend needs to press charges or something. and on top of all this shit.. H12 is one of my best friends and it's not fun knowing that one of your best friends just got punched twice in the face for no damn reason. all of this shit has pissed me off.. i can't say it enough - IT'S BULLSHIT. some ppl just don't need alcohol.

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H12

Dude, man...that was so fucked up. I'm glad you made this, crow_daw.

I didn't want a thing to go wrong, 'cuz, ya know...it's my friggin' birthday party. I went to refill on a beer, and the lil' brother asks to see my cup. I let him check it out, and it's a big cup. He then tries to give me a flimsy styrofoam cup that's not much bigger than the size of a shot-glass, which I didn't want. I calmly say "Hey man, lemme have my cup back", and he wasn't wantin' to do that. I asked for it another time or two, still bein' calm, and he stands up to me.

I knew this guy likes to fight when he's drunk, so I tried to calm him down. It was to no avail though, since he then hit me in my left temple. It didn't stun me or anything, but it was plenty enough to piss me off, though I still stayed calm. I asked him again, and he threw another punch, but I blocked it. In many situations, I would have then thrown a punch and fought in self-defense, but I had been drinking and I didn't really know how much is too much for me to defend myself well. He then dropped the cup and walks off or something.

I decided I'd get my cup back, heh, so I picked it up off the ground and refilled it.

I started walkin' away, then all of a sudden, big guy hits me exactly where his lil' brother had already hit me, in my left temple. I didn't get phased by that punch either, so I just kept walkin'. It was weird, too, 'cuz me and him had been gettin' along earlier, then he comes from my side when I ain't lookin' and hits me. I don't understand that kind of shit, especially when his logic was that he was taking up for his lil' bro...but he's a 21-22 year old man who was wantin' to fight me over a different-sized cup; that's just ridiculous, and him taking up for his brother over something like that, especially since I didn't even say a bad word to him, is insane.

About a minute later, the little brother comes lookin' for me and wants to fight again. I just hand over my cup and told him to fuckin' keep it. He threw the beer out of it, then crushed it and walked away. It's ludicrous.

So later on, I went up to the big guy and made an awkward situation for myself. My first words to him was "So, you hit me earlier", and he started lookin' really pissed again. "Dude, I just wanted to let ya know I ain't got a problem with you or your bro, I just wanted my cup back". It was about that time he starts raising his voice and warns me to go apologize to his brother, then starts pointing his finger and shouting "GO!" about every two seconds until I found him and apologized.


I can't get over the bullshit that entire night was; I got punched twice for nothing at my birthday party, then I had to go apologize. Then I left my own birthday party because alot of other people had left, too, since nobody wanted to be arrested or hang around with them anymore.

Fuck 'em.

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H12

Glad you joined in this too, MaGIC_MaN. I think I was talking to you when the lil' brother came and smashed my cup.

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KellyC

That is about the biggest bullshit happening to any one that I've read in a long, long time.

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MaGlC_MaN

no man, i didnt know that any of that shit was going on til u came and told me and trae. if i saw brooks hitting you i woulda broke that shit up fast cuz he'd been smarting off to me that night anyways.

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Xepidemic

people are just too macho these days and let their egos get in the way.

one time i was at a party in new york. it was an okay party. then one guy i knew (billy) i guess caught the eye of this other dood (fook, hes vietnamese). so they basically got in each others face and mouthed off. like what you looking at?! a couple days later, i guess they decided they needed to settle things. so they met up at a bowling alley in jersey city, nj. billy bought his friends and fook bought his. they were all just standing around the parking lot. Then people started to say that Billy friends were packing heat. So Billy and Fook were mouthing off at each other. Fooks bigger brother was right next to him. All of a sudden a separate fight breaks loose. It was to distract Billy and his friends. Fook olders brothers sneaks Billy and decks him to the ground. They surround Billy and just started stomping on his ass. The people started to chant "kill billy!" no joke, it was the funniest/scariest thing ever. Billy was stumbling all over the ground trying to run away but they just surround him and stomped him. Fook friends dad owned the bowling alley so I guess they went inside the back and looked for metal pipes and stuff. They beat the crap out of Billy friends who werent packing anything. I mean they had metal pipes, rebar.. they even used their belts. It was preety damn scary. One of billy friends had some iron knuckles on and he was a preety tall guys. So he had a height advantage on people and he cracked a few mouths, jaws, teeth. So they fight went on and Billy was able to stumble to his car then throwing up on the side door. A sign that he had a head injury. One of his friends jumped in the drivers seat and they hauled Billy in and drove off. One of fooks friends jumps infront of the car and his it with a metal pipe. I swear they were going to run his ass over. So then Billy and his friends said they were going to come back and really bring guns this time. But the police came and so did some para-medics. So they didnt come.

A couple months later I guess they squashed things because they both knew things went to far. Fook himself got jumped by his friends for draggin them into it.

So yeah.. H12, good job on keeping your cool and knowing those guys were just drunk assholes.

whocarz

If this shit happened at my house, I would have asked them to leave nicely or else. If they gave me shit, the AK would have come out and then I would have MADE them leave, or else I'd find out just how the "Make my day" law works.

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Seaver

Yall have a lot more self-control than I do.

I've never ever started a fight, but only once did I not end one (I fully deserved that hit and held nothing against him). I would have kicked that little brothers ass even if it meant that big guy would pummel me. Then again I know my buddies would have my back if anything happened.

Sorry those jackasses fucked up your b-day, congradulations on keeping your cool though.

asudevil83

damn...i was just waiting for the part where the guy and his brother get their asses kicked....that would have made my day.

just hearing stories about how people can be suck assholes and fuck shit up boils my blood. the worst part is, they usually get away with it because people dont want to ruin what's left of a good time.

H12

Sad, isn't it?

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Xell101

Indeed, in situations like that I'm not sure whether I should crush their delusions of machoism with a swift and brutal beat down or just let it slide on account of the fact that is rather sad that some people have such terrible ways of going about things, and that an example of one is actively engaged in utilizing his people skills in such a way. Be very violent or very peaceful about it, I sually get tugged between the two options and that in it of itself usually proves more irritating that the actual situation. Not being machoistic in the least I tend to let logic shine through in the form of not getting violent unless necessitated.

crow_daw

First off, MaGIC_MaN, I'm sorry I didn't mention you, I just thought that you had quit TFP'ing. Another point, it wasn't my house, but I still wanted them to leave, but MaGlC_MaN is right, the asshole had lots of friends and we had lots of friends, it would have turned into a violent brawl and nobody would have wanted that. Some of my friends may even think I was taking the asshole's side, and I hope that they don't. Because, as I mentioned earlier, the asshole wanted to buddy up with me, and I played along, because I was trying to stop any more violence, I wanted to keep him calm. I was actively and knowingly playing both sides(because remember I was corresponding with my Army friend too), because I thought it was the best thing to do.

I would love to be able to know that I'll never see that asshole again. Reading my friend's posts have re-pissed me off. It's amazing how fucked up and bad that night turned out.


One last side note that will infuriate some TFP'ers for sure: the other birthday boy took it pretty hard too. The whole situation kept him from getting laid. Does this story keep getting worse or what?

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H12

It did?!? DAMMIT...I didn't even know that. This does just keep gettin' worse and worse...I'm waitin' to hear that the big guy shot JFK next, if the news keeps gettin' progressivly worse like it is.

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animosity

this story makes me angry.... something bad needs to happen to those 2 idiots.

this type of shit happens all the time though.

Manic_Skafe

People that old need to be taught a lesson that they'll actually learn. I never would've had the patience to deal with a situation like that but it's lucky that you guys did. Find out the names and addresses of all the assailants and press charges.

It's great that you guys are beyond fighting people or else the situation could've escalated a lot further than it did. Get the police involved and make them pay.

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H12

I'd love to...I mean, seriously, I'd do it with a shit-eating grin right now if there wouldn't be other consequences...


1) The kegger was at my friend's house, and he's 18. I understand that, if the cops found this tidbit out, they'd take his house away.

2) I, along with others, am also under-age. I've already been hit twice, had an apology forced out of me, and left my own birthday party, so I don't want a criminal record to be added to that already shitty resume I've made for the night.

3) I'm moving to Knoxville in less than a month, and I likely won't see them before then, so it's tempting to just let it go.


As a side-note, my dad's now mad at me for not fighting back when, lookin' back, I easily woulda been 2-on1'ed. Great fuckin' party. *rolls eyes*

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water_boy1999

Sorry this happened on your birthday. What a drag.
Can't say I would have acted the same way. Kudos to you for keeping your cool, but with the witnesses that were there, I would have had no problem with him throwing the first punch. All egos aside, you do have a right to defend yourself and if someone threw a punch at me, I doubt there would be any hesitation on my part to defend myself.

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Journeyman

If a guy hits you in the face, fight back. Guys that hit you in the face TWICE are the reason you fight back. Father knows best. Granted, you didn't get 2-on-1ed and end up broken in half, but you also didn't know that eating crow was gonna keep you from getting 2-on-1ed and end up broken in half.

Remember, if you're losing a fight that you damn well didn't want, didn't start, and don't want jack shit to do with even when you're in it, weapons are Police-Certified A-OK (in the event of honest, 3rd party, objective witnesses).

ObieX

There were only two of them and a whole party of your friends there including some army guys? *does some math* Shoulda fucked them up. I'm one skinny-ass motherfucker, but i get punched in the head, its fuckin go time.

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Seaver

Police cant charge you with any assault charges if it's self defense. Hell the way it stands (here in Texas anyways) you are allowed to do whatever it takes even if you FEEL that your or someone else's safety is in danger. They dont even have to hit you first.

Cops tried to arrest me once, got out scott free because of that. Was out with a female-friend of mine... she ran into her boyfriend. He accused her of cheating, turned into a huge fight... he hit her. So I beat the living shit out of him. Cops arrested me, I declared self-defense. After a long time of back and forth at the precinct they let me go and arrested him (hospitalized) for assault.

crow_daw

No,there weren't only two of them. There were other people there who are mutual "friends". But I guarantee you, despite the wrong doing on the assholes' part, these other people would have sided in them in the event of a brawl. The sides would have actually been just about even. And there was no sense in starting a brawl that would get more people hurt, very likely much more so seriously than H12 was. I still, and will always, maintain that not pursuing a violent conclusion was the wisest thing to do.

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H12

For the record, I'm barely hurtin'; it all happened Saturday night, and it's only now, Monday night, that my head lightly has some bruise pains. No nots, no bruise across the face, no weird feelings in my skull...just a small bruise covered by my hair and my pride are my only two injuries.

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bermuDa

someone (either crow, h12, the other birthday boy or the host of the party) needs to tell asshole or his little brother the following:

(if this first part doesn't apply, omit it)

"you and your brother are normally cool guys and I/we have no problem with you two,

but both you and your brother crossed the line last night. you committed the ultimate party foul over something incredibly stupid, and you impressed no one but yourselves. you are both officially disinvited from any future gatherings that any of us hold. now kindly fuck off."

I'm not normally a violent person, but that story really pissed me off. if I was in that situation, i would have crushed his windpipe.

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The Phenomenon

ffs... I just hope no one invites him again.

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The Phenomenon

H12, when assholes like that start thing like that, you take out your pistol or whatever and then you explain the facts of life to them.

NEVER invite people like this. If you already knew the guy before hand - then you should have some idea of what hes like, and he's definitely not the kind of person you want at your birthday party. The reason for which I am sure you know.

The other thing is, since you are underaged, having a party like that was a damn stupid thing to do. Why? Because you have no recourse to the law in the event that something goes wrong, like it did. Getting drunk - which is NOT fun by the way - is not worth getting killed or getting beat up over. I really cannot see why you cannot have a party without all the alcohol, its not necessary for you to have fun. If you cannot enjoy a party without it, you already have a problem. If there was no alcohol at that party, the whole situation would not have arised, AND in the event that it did, you could have called the police and have had this asshole arrested. He's violent, and he has commited assault a number of times at that party alone. There is a place for people like that, its called prison.

There's a saying, "You cannot talk your way out of trouble you behaved your way into". You went into this looking for trouble. I do not mean to rag on you or flame you, but what you did was just plain stupid, and 100% avoidable. Now this guy got away with this behaviour, and you party sucked loads of ass. He gets the idea that what he did is acceptable, since everyone just allows it, and people apologize to him and his friends when he acts like this.

All of this for what? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not repeat this. Getting your ass piss-drunk is just not worth it. And what's the appeal of getting drunk anyway? Can someone explain this to me? I ALWAYS stop drinking BEFORE I get drunk. Why do people get drunk for fun? I don't get it.

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Nisses

Phenomenon: when you do get it, come back and re-read your post.
Because it's rather pointless to go on about it if you haven't been on that side yet.

He did not go in this looking for trouble, the only mistake he did make, was having this at a house where he couldn't call the police...

And pulling a pistol at a party seems a great way to make your point, jup... Especially since drunk people aren't coolheaded, and logical and will likely not respond like you want them too... Plus it would have mostly ended the entire party when people see you waving a loaded gun around...

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The Phenomenon

I was joking about the gun part. And yes having an illegal party and inviting a guy like that IS looking for trouble. It just IS.

If they knew the guy they had to know he was a somewhat violent guy.

Nisses

not like they invited him...

and good, I really didn't see you were joking about the first part, sorry

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The Phenomenon

No hard feelings.

How did he get to the party then?

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H12

He heard there was free beer from some mutual friends of ours. *shrugs* That's my best guess, anyways.

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The Phenomenon

You guys don't keep your parties Invite Only?

water_boy1999

With all due respect Phenomenon, H12 and crow_daw are both at least 18 years old. Granted, alcohol is illegal until you are 21, but we were all kids and we all got a little tipsy when we were at that age. Maybe you didn't but a large majority of adolescents experiment with alcohol before the legal age. So, preaching to them about what they should and shouldn't do is a mute point.
Also, they have all the legal recourse in the world. Just because they were drinking doesn't mean that it negates their ability to press charges against those fuckwads.

True, you don't need alcohol at a party to still have fun, but it would be naive to think that young adults are going to stop experimenting and pushing the age for legal drinking at a party because someone says they can have fun without it.

In addition, once an asshole, always an asshole. Regardless of the alcohol on site, these guys would probably be likely to do the same shit elsewhere. They are assholes afterall.

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Seaver

Jesus Phenomenon, judge much?

Some people do like to get drunk, I do. These guys are only 18, they'll learn the rules of drinking as all of us did. Try not to pass judgement so easily.

Journeyman

I have lots of fun when I'm drunk, and you apparently don't. That's ummm... about as simple as I can guess it to be, you know. I don't need to be drunk to have fun, but getting drunk *is* fun for me and many others. Just the way it works out.

ShaniFaye

Nobody informed me that getting drunk wasnt fun anymore!! Why didnt I get the memo? Now I feel left out.

back on topic.....way back before dirt was invented I was at a similiar party...it ended with the "partiers" gathering together and ganging up on the offenders and duct taping them to a brick mailbox....oh those were the days

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