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denim · 07-18-2004, 04:14 PM

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MIAMI, Florida (Reuters) -- Law enforcement officials in the Florida Keys are mystified by a bizarre new pastime -- young people dangling themselves from meat hooks on a popular sandbar.

Ow. Ow. Ow.

theguyondacouch · 07-18-2004, 04:17 PM

Not a new past time. People have been hanging from hooks for a long time

denim · 07-18-2004, 04:20 PM

WHY???

maleficent · 07-18-2004, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by denim
WHY???

My thoughts exactly?

Is there some amount of pleasure to be achieved from this?

SixEdxMia · 07-18-2004, 04:35 PM

maleficent · 07-18-2004, 04:38 PM

Oh Shit that's gotta hurt....

Need a warning on that picture...

Fremen · 07-18-2004, 04:41 PM

"Whatcha been doin'?"
"Nuttin'. Just hangin'."

I think that needs a warning tag.

cookkee · 07-18-2004, 04:56 PM

looks like hes hooked

maleficent · 07-18-2004, 04:59 PM

I really have to ask the question... Why? What's the fun in that - I understand accupuncture, and it does help for migraines, however, thats a teeny needle and you aren't being suspended by it -- this is a pretty substantial hook, more than one going thru your skin...

I am feeling so old and out of touch....

denim · 07-18-2004, 05:03 PM

I figure it's only a matter of time before they do abdomen puncture, using a sword or whatever.

Anomaly_ · 07-18-2004, 06:01 PM

That looks exactly like a torture scene from "Ichi the Killer". I think that says a lot about how looney these people are. But of course we cannot judge--all hobbies are beautiful and equal.

buclao · 07-18-2004, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by Anomaly_
That looks exactly like a torture scene from "Ichi the Killer". I think that says a lot about how looney these people are. But of course we cannot judge--all hobbies are beautiful and equal.

Where's the boiling water?

denim · 07-18-2004, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Anomaly_
But of course we cannot judge--all hobbies are beautiful and equal.

You forgot the

or maybe the

la petite moi · 07-18-2004, 06:42 PM

Buh, that's pretty nasty.

But my question to everyone is how is this any different from the weird piercings and tattoos we get??

Phage · 07-18-2004, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by la petite moi
Buh, that's pretty nasty.

But my question to everyone is how is this any different from the weird piercings and tattoos we get??

I think the level of pain and tissue damage is a factor. I mean, nobody will think you odd if you like to go for long runs barefoot on the beach, even if it is a little hard on your feet. It is at the point where you start running on shards of glass that people get a little freaked.

majik_6 · 07-18-2004, 06:55 PM

Suspensions have been around for hundreds of years. Native American tribes performed complex rituals based around certain types of suspension positions (some of which have been adapted by modern suspension groups).

Although I've never done it myself, I have several friends that suspend, and all of them say that the adrenaline rush in absolutely amazing. I've heard some people say that they've done it as some sort of personal rite of passage and that it was a deeply spiritual thing.

So, in conclusion, it's not really a "wild new thing", but rather something that's stood the test of time, and for most participants is a deeply personal and spiritual event. Plus, I hear it can be a hell of good time.

As for the "why would someone willingly inflict pain upon their bodies" issue, that's really no different than someone that gains pleasure (sexual or otherwise) from BDSM, tattoos, piercings, cutting, or anyother activity involving bodiliy harm.

la petite moi · 07-18-2004, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by Phage
I think the level of pain and tissue damage is a factor. I mean, nobody will think you odd if you like to go for long runs barefoot on the beach, even if it is a little hard on your feet. It is at the point where you start running on shards of glass that people get a little freaked.

When you tattoo your skin, you are damaging your skin horribly. Also, piercings leave scars and can get infected- that is hella painful.

KellyC · 07-18-2004, 07:19 PM

I saw this a while ago on the discovery channel, so ummm...they run out of "spiritual" activities to do or something??

Trisk · 07-18-2004, 07:34 PM

I'd rather get my adrenaline rush by strapping a parachute to myself and jumping out of planes, thank you

...but to each their own, I guess

Menoman · 07-18-2004, 08:33 PM

Ever sky dive? Ever bungee jump? Ever do anything thats exhillerating?

Now take that... possible...30 second complete rush of adrenaline and make it about 5 minutes long just as intense the entire time.

Anyway, yes it is painful, not as much as you would think. Once you get up the adrenaline pushes the pain out and your just ... there.

Actually I think its impossible to explain but anyway. Don't knock it til ya tried it.

Trisk · 07-18-2004, 08:36 PM

But...doesn't it hurt later on when you take the hooks out?

thenewguy · 07-18-2004, 08:45 PM

Looks like the 'normal' people got wind of this activity:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/07/...eut/index.html

I like the comment from the Coast Guard spokesperson - "As long as they weren't creating any kind of ruckus or riot within a crowd they really weren't breaking any laws."

Spoken like a true hedonist that works for the Coast Guard.

analog · 07-18-2004, 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by la petite moi
When you tattoo your skin, you are damaging your skin horribly.

Not really. I mean, how do you judge such a thing? It's not detrimental to a person's health by any means- sure, their skin may not be as silky as yours, after a long period of time, but it does not factor into your overall well-being or longevity in any way...

sadistikdreams · 07-18-2004, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by buclao
Where's the boiling water?

Wasnt bioling water... Deep fry batter...

DelayedReaction · 07-18-2004, 11:09 PM

Well, to each their own. I'll stick to getting my kicks from large explosions.

iamnormal · 07-19-2004, 01:55 AM

You people never seen the movie A Man Called Horse?
You should see it. It's a good movie.

whocarz · 07-19-2004, 02:15 AM

My only problem is that they do this stuff outside in public. There are people that would like not having to see this kind of stuff.

Macheath · 07-19-2004, 05:40 AM

This reminds me of an interesting documentary about a guy in India who goes around villages debunking the magic tricks of con men "Gurus" by actually showing regular folks that they too can do "miraculous" things like pull cars along by body hooks.

Basically it boils down to two things:

1. The epidermis is stronger than we think.

2. Have respect for the laws of physics.

If it's done right, I don't think the dude in the picture suffers any permanent physical effect; kinda the same prinicple as the bed of nails.

The pleasure of it is "mind over matter" I guess.

joeb1 · 07-19-2004, 05:44 AM

I wonder what type of stress these people are putting themselves through. Is the spiritual side worth it? And what type of long term affects they will see from the rise in hormones (adrenaline, norepinephrine, and cortisol). These types of prolonged stress can have damaging affects on the body over time.

Cervantes · 07-19-2004, 07:41 AM

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Why?

Two words, ADRENALINE and ENDORFINE!
The rush is indescribable, totally different from bungyjumping or other extreme activites.

Cynthetiq · 07-19-2004, 07:49 AM

always funny how the Western cultures find something and think that it's all new when it's been around for such a long long time...

Thaipusam
Hindu devotees express gratitude at their prayers being answered. They then fulfil their vows to Lord Muruga by carrying palkudam (milk pots) or kavadis (heavy metal frames hooked onto the body) in a procession to the temple. The devotees prepare themselves for this ritual by living a life of abstinence for a few weeks prior to Thaipusam.

ARTelevision · 07-19-2004, 07:55 AM

Because of the information-and-experience-saturated world we live in today, it is very difficult for many people who are bombarded and overloaded with extreme levels of conceptual, sensory, and somatic input to feel anything at all.

This is a response to that. It is an attempt to grasp a sense of the real and the sensations of feeling back from the anesthetized hypnosis of everyday life.

Blackthorn · 07-19-2004, 08:36 AM

I suppose stuff like that went on in the days of the Roman Empire...perhaps before the fall of it. Circa say 459AD???

HOLY FUCKING CRAP WHY WHY WHY???

animosity · 07-19-2004, 08:51 AM

well i dont really care what people do in their own homes or private businesses.... but that shouldnt be going on in public.

why you ask? because people are stupid...

blindawg · 07-19-2004, 11:50 AM

PersonallY i'd never do it.. But I can understand the adrenalin rush. I get my in much more normal ways..

JStrider · 07-19-2004, 01:18 PM

ive always been really interested in that kind of stuff... i would definently try it if i had the opportunity...

if you want a little more information/insight about this i suggest this series of articles about it...

http://www.bmezine.com/news/fakir/20031115.html
http://www.bmezine.com/news/fakir/20040115.html
http://www.bmezine.com/news/fakir/20040508.html

the first ones the best... it talks about the origination of the Suspensions.
the second talks about the writers personal experiences
and the third about his expierences guiding others...

ironman · 07-19-2004, 03:41 PM

To each their own, i mean, somebody out of our culture must be offended by our practice of "opening holes on our little girls earbuds"-

Fremen · 07-19-2004, 03:45 PM

I knew I had heard of something like this before.
Thanks iamnormal, for reminding me where. (A Man Called Horse and Return of a Man Called Horse)

It is called the Sun Dance ritual, and it was (and maybe still is) performed by various Sioux tribes on young men going into manhood.

http://www.bmeworld.com/flesh/suspen...orynative.html

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Strange as it may seem, the practice of piercing the body and ritually pulling or suspending it to achieve some kind of union with a divine being developed quite independently on the North American continent. The exact time is unknown since there were no written records left by tribal peoples who practiced the custom - only verbal records, stories, told to Europeans in the late 1700s and early 1880s. The most significant chronicler was George Catlin who lived among the Mandan and other plains tribes - painting and writing about their customs in the 1830s. His notes, letters, and sketches indicate that the Mandan, who were not hunters and gatherers and who lived in villages along the Missouri River in what is now South Dakota and North Dakota, were given the O-KEE-PA piercing and suspension as a rite-of-passage by a white man who came down from the mountain.

After many days of complex ritual, young men who were about to become adults and enter adult life were pierced twice in the chest and twice in the back. Under the guidance of an older man who had "taken the journey before" (a Ka-See-Ka), they were then suspended by either set of piercings from the roof of a lodge. In trance, the young men hung from the piercings for about twenty minutes and sought communication with "The Great White Spirit" (Note: subject of the recent movie, MAN CALLED HORSE with Richard Harris). Apparently through the years, neighboring tribes, especially the Arikara and Minnetaree, were exposed to the Mandan's ritual and developed their own piercing rites - often more severe!
Various Sioux tribes (like the Lakota, Oglala, Yellowhand, and Teton) living in the Dakotas, Wyoming and Montana also adopted or developed piercing rites - chief of which is called the SUN DANCE in which the pledgers are pierced once or twice in the chest, fastened to a tree or pole and vow to pull against the piercing until the flesh breaks. Again, the object is to enter an extraordinary state and meet an animal ally or the "Great White Spirit" - either as communion, healing or to obtain special knowledge. The Sun Dance played an important part in another recent movie with Richard Harris: RETURN OF THE MAN CALLED HORSE. Both the O-Kee-Pa and Sun Dance rituals experienced by Fakir and Jim Ward in 1982 are also documented in the film DANCES SACRED AND PROFANE by Mark and Dan Jury.

I've read about the Sun Dance ritual in a few Western novels and it seems the Army outlawed any practice of it back in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
I don't know if it still is illegal or not.
Does anyone here know?

Hrothgar · 07-20-2004, 01:18 AM

Damn. That's one fad I won't be partaking in.

Chingal0 · 07-20-2004, 11:03 AM

I was going to say, that shit is all over bmezine.com. Lots of people do it, and it looks special.

07-18-2004, 04:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
theguyondacouch salmon? Location: Outside Providence	Not a new past time. People have been hanging from hooks for a long time __________________ "Lick my frozen metal ass!"

07-18-2004, 04:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
SixEdxMia <3 Peetster Location: Peetster's house.	I've seen it,and I hear it tickles.

07-18-2004, 04:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	Oh Shit that's gotta hurt.... Need a warning on that picture... __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

07-18-2004, 04:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
Fremen With a mustache, the cool factor would be too much Location: left side of my couch, East Texas	"Whatcha been doin'?" "Nuttin'. Just hangin'." I think that needs a warning tag. __________________ Google

07-18-2004, 04:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	I really have to ask the question... Why? What's the fun in that - I understand accupuncture, and it does help for migraines, however, thats a teeny needle and you aren't being suspended by it -- this is a pretty substantial hook, more than one going thru your skin... I am feeling so old and out of touch.... __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

07-18-2004, 04:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
denim Banned Location: Massachusetts, USA	WHY???

07-18-2004, 04:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
cookkee Upright	looks like hes hooked

07-18-2004, 05:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
denim Banned Location: Massachusetts, USA	I figure it's only a matter of time before they do abdomen puncture, using a sword or whatever.

07-18-2004, 06:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
Anomaly_ Insane	That looks exactly like a torture scene from "Ichi the Killer". I think that says a lot about how looney these people are. But of course we cannot judge--all hobbies are beautiful and equal.

07-18-2004, 06:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
la petite moi Filling the Void. Location: California	Buh, that's pretty nasty. But my question to everyone is how is this any different from the weird piercings and tattoos we get??

07-18-2004, 06:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
majik_6 narcissist Location: looking in a mirror	Suspensions have been around for hundreds of years. Native American tribes performed complex rituals based around certain types of suspension positions (some of which have been adapted by modern suspension groups). Although I've never done it myself, I have several friends that suspend, and all of them say that the adrenaline rush in absolutely amazing. I've heard some people say that they've done it as some sort of personal rite of passage and that it was a deeply spiritual thing. So, in conclusion, it's not really a "wild new thing", but rather something that's stood the test of time, and for most participants is a deeply personal and spiritual event. Plus, I hear it can be a hell of good time. As for the "why would someone willingly inflict pain upon their bodies" issue, that's really no different than someone that gains pleasure (sexual or otherwise) from BDSM, tattoos, piercings, cutting, or anyother activity involving bodiliy harm. __________________ it's all about self-indulgence

07-18-2004, 07:19 PM	#18 (permalink)
KellyC Comment or else!! Location: Home sweet home	I saw this a while ago on the discovery channel, so ummm...they run out of "spiritual" activities to do or something?? __________________ Him: Ok, I have to ask, what do you believe? Me: Shit happens.

07-18-2004, 07:34 PM	#19 (permalink)
Trisk Insane	I'd rather get my adrenaline rush by strapping a parachute to myself and jumping out of planes, thank you ...but to each their own, I guess

07-18-2004, 08:36 PM	#21 (permalink)
Trisk Insane	But...doesn't it hurt later on when you take the hooks out?

07-18-2004, 08:45 PM	#22 (permalink)
thenewguy Insane Location: West Coast, USA	Looks like the 'normal' people got wind of this activity: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/07/...eut/index.html I like the comment from the Coast Guard spokesperson - "As long as they weren't creating any kind of ruckus or riot within a crowd they really weren't breaking any laws." Spoken like a true hedonist that works for the Coast Guard.

07-18-2004, 11:09 PM	#25 (permalink)
DelayedReaction BFG Builder Location: University of Maryland	Well, to each their own. I'll stick to getting my kicks from large explosions. __________________ If ignorance is bliss, you must be having an orgasm.

07-19-2004, 01:55 AM	#26 (permalink)
iamnormal Addict Location: In the id	You people never seen the movie A Man Called Horse? You should see it. It's a good movie.

07-19-2004, 02:15 AM	#27 (permalink)
whocarz Jarhead Location: Colorado	My only problem is that they do this stuff outside in public. There are people that would like not having to see this kind of stuff. __________________ If there exists anything mightier than destiny, then it is the courage to face destiny unflinchingly. -Geibel Despise not death, but welcome it, for nature wills it like all else. -Marcus Aurelius Come on, you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever? -GySgt. Daniel J. "Dan" Daly

07-19-2004, 05:40 AM	#28 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	This reminds me of an interesting documentary about a guy in India who goes around villages debunking the magic tricks of con men "Gurus" by actually showing regular folks that they too can do "miraculous" things like pull cars along by body hooks. Basically it boils down to two things: 1. The epidermis is stronger than we think. 2. Have respect for the laws of physics. If it's done right, I don't think the dude in the picture suffers any permanent physical effect; kinda the same prinicple as the bed of nails. The pleasure of it is "mind over matter" I guess.

07-19-2004, 05:44 AM	#29 (permalink)
joeb1 Crazy Location: Over Yonder	I wonder what type of stress these people are putting themselves through. Is the spiritual side worth it? And what type of long term affects they will see from the rise in hormones (adrenaline, norepinephrine, and cortisol). These types of prolonged stress can have damaging affects on the body over time. __________________ Disco Duck...

07-19-2004, 07:49 AM	#31 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	always funny how the Western cultures find something and think that it's all new when it's been around for such a long long time... Thaipusam Hindu devotees express gratitude at their prayers being answered. They then fulfil their vows to Lord Muruga by carrying palkudam (milk pots) or kavadis (heavy metal frames hooked onto the body) in a procession to the temple. The devotees prepare themselves for this ritual by living a life of abstinence for a few weeks prior to Thaipusam. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

07-19-2004, 07:55 AM	#32 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Because of the information-and-experience-saturated world we live in today, it is very difficult for many people who are bombarded and overloaded with extreme levels of conceptual, sensory, and somatic input to feel anything at all. This is a response to that. It is an attempt to grasp a sense of the real and the sensations of feeling back from the anesthetized hypnosis of everyday life. __________________ create evolution

07-19-2004, 08:36 AM	#33 (permalink)
Blackthorn Beware the Mad Irish Location: Wish I was on the N17...	I suppose stuff like that went on in the days of the Roman Empire...perhaps before the fall of it. Circa say 459AD??? HOLY FUCKING CRAP WHY WHY WHY??? __________________ What are you willing to give up in order to get what you want?

07-19-2004, 08:51 AM	#34 (permalink)
animosity on fire Location: Atlanta, GA	well i dont really care what people do in their own homes or private businesses.... but that shouldnt be going on in public. why you ask? because people are stupid...

07-19-2004, 11:50 AM	#35 (permalink)
blindawg Lord over all I survey Location: Northern Michigan	PersonallY i'd never do it.. But I can understand the adrenalin rush. I get my in much more normal ways.. __________________ ( • Y • ) I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. ( • Y • ) - Jack Handey

07-19-2004, 01:18 PM	#36 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	ive always been really interested in that kind of stuff... i would definently try it if i had the opportunity... if you want a little more information/insight about this i suggest this series of articles about it... http://www.bmezine.com/news/fakir/20031115.html http://www.bmezine.com/news/fakir/20040115.html http://www.bmezine.com/news/fakir/20040508.html the first ones the best... it talks about the origination of the Suspensions. the second talks about the writers personal experiences and the third about his expierences guiding others... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto Last edited by JStrider; 07-19-2004 at 01:35 PM..

07-19-2004, 03:41 PM	#37 (permalink)
ironman Smithers, release the hounds Location: Guatemala, Guatemala	To each their own, i mean, somebody out of our culture must be offended by our practice of "opening holes on our little girls earbuds"- __________________ If I agreed with you we´d both be wrong

07-20-2004, 01:18 AM	#39 (permalink)
Hrothgar He's My Girl Location: The Champagne Douche	Damn. That's one fad I won't be partaking in. __________________ The fortunes of war favored Hrothgar.

07-20-2004, 11:03 AM	#40 (permalink)
Chingal0 Something like that.. Location: Oreygun.	I was going to say, that shit is all over bmezine.com. Lots of people do it, and it looks special. __________________ "Eventually I became too sexy for my gym membership fee."