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Rekna · 07-16-2004, 07:51 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125926,00.html

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TOKYO — Former world chess (search) champion Bobby Fischer (search), wanted since 1992 for playing a tournament in Yugoslavia despite U.N. sanctions, has been detained in Japan, clearing the way for his extradition to the United States.

Fischer was stopped at Tokyo's Narita International Airport on Tuesday as he tried to go to the Philippines, an airport official said on condition of anonymity.

Miyoko Watai, a Japan Chess Association official who described herself as a longtime friend of Fischer's, said the eccentric chess prodigy discovered when he was detained that the United States had revoked his passport.

Watai, who said she had spoken with Fischer since his detention, added that he was told he would be extradited but that he would appeal.

The U.S. Embassy in Tokyo said it knew Fischer had been detained but refused further comment, citing privacy concerns.

Fischer became a Cold War hero in 1972 when he defeated Boris Spassky of the Soviet Union to become the first American world chess champion. But the chess prodigy, long know for his eccentric ways, stunned the chess world by refusing to play again, and had slipped mysteriously in and out of public view in the years since.

He forfeited the title in 1975, and resurfaced for a dramatic rematch against Spassky in Yugoslavia in 1992, beating him 10-5 to win $3.35 million.

U.S. authorities accused him of violating U.N. sanctions imposed against Yugoslavia for provoking warfare in neighboring Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Fischer, indicted by a grand jury in 1992, managed to elude authorities and left a tantalizing trail that included radio broadcasts from the Philippines and sightings in Japan.

The Athens-based World Chess Federation had no comment about Fischer's arrest.

"The international federation has had no connection with Mr. Fischer since 1975, so officially we are not in a position to say something about this," said Giorgos Mastrokoukos, the federation's public relations director.

In radio interviews, Fischer praised the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, saying America should be "wiped out," and described Jews as "thieving, lying bastards." His mother was Jewish.

Fischer, now 61 years old, became grandmaster at age 15.

He announced that he had abandoned chess in 1996 and launched a new version, "Fischerandom," a computerized shuffler that randomly distributes chess pieces on the back row of the chess board at the start of each game.

Fischer claimed it would bring the fun back into the game and rid it of cheats.

I never heard this side of the story before. I didn't realize the government was after him or that he hated the US.

Averett · 07-16-2004, 07:54 AM

Good, I can finally sleep easy tonight.

What's next, we'll find Osama playing in a ping pong tournament in North Korea?

Stompy · 07-16-2004, 07:56 AM

hahaha, so he's wanted because he played chess in Yugoslavia?

Wow, I certainly don't want this hardened criminal around MY neighborhood!

mystmarimatt · 07-16-2004, 08:20 AM

that's SO bizarre...

Oh well, that movie "In Search Of Bobby Fischer" was good.

losthellhound · 07-16-2004, 08:24 AM

I have a friend who thinks he played against Bobby a few years back. When he was missing, a player appeared on some online chess games, and "people who know what they're talking about when it comes to chess" say that the style of play was very much Bobby

water_boy1999 · 07-16-2004, 08:30 AM

I would be interested in checking out Fisherandom. Actually sounds like a cool game.

Bizarre, never knew Bobby has such a negative view of the U.S..

manalone · 07-16-2004, 09:25 AM

He cracked badly under the strain.

He was something of a prima donna to start with, and the ludicrious "my chess dick is bigger than your chess dick" competition between the USSR and the US was a final straw.

I don't blame him, I would have lost it too, I reckon. All the crap that went on on both sides.

lurkette · 07-16-2004, 09:34 AM

Completely off topic, but DAMN waterboy, that's a sexy avatar!

And yes, Searching for Bobby Fischer was a great movie!

Quadraton · 07-16-2004, 10:15 AM

You all laugh now, but hopefully this will send a message to all those rogue chessplayers out there.

I for one am glad that I no longer have to worry about unrully chess players sneaking up behind me in a dark alley. They always have that one guy that comes at you two steps forward, one step left, while another will try to cut you off diagonally. It'll be that last guy who comes at you straight on that you should worry about the most. Checkmate.

kutulu · 07-16-2004, 12:21 PM

I hope we lock him up in a Federal Pound Me In the Ass Prison. Chess players that violate sanctions and play wherever they want to should not be tolerated.

Bill O'Rights · 07-16-2004, 01:00 PM

Well...I had some sarcastic remarks to make, but it seems that y'all have beaten me to it. Over and over and over again.

SinisterMotives · 07-16-2004, 01:05 PM

How about a nice game of global thermonuclear war instead?

Quadraton · 07-16-2004, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by SinisterMotives
How about a nice game of global thermonuclear war instead?

Only way to win is to not play at all.

Esco · 07-16-2004, 10:17 PM

Ha!!! Another casualty of the "war on terror"!!!

Glad to see Bush's plan is finally working.

/me goes back in corner and plays nice

Fob_Magi · 07-16-2004, 11:44 PM

Fischer was always very eccsentric and rude, his anti-american views didnt start until he got indicted from disobeying a direct order from the US Department of the Treasury that he should not violate the embargo. This is also when he began expressing his anti-semetic views too..

In themans defence though, The guy believes that everybody is out to get him and that everybody is stealing from him (especially jews)... he is a paranoid delusional at the least if not a paranoid schitzophrenic.....

here is a website that has all has all his radio interviews and alot of his personal correspondence of his over the last 12 years, from what i understand this site is ran by fischer by proxy thru a friend. If you read some of his letters (especially the ones to the executor of his sisters will) you will notice he is slightly off kilter... and if you take the time to read all of them (like i did), I think you will see he is not a healthy person.

http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/

ARTelevision · 07-17-2004, 04:17 AM

I'm very much in favor of enforcement in this situation. The guy acts like he is his own sovereign nation - which he is not.

I prefer a situation in which citizens are held accountable for their actions.

crow_daw · 07-17-2004, 12:34 PM

This is so crazy. I always sorta thought he was more myth than man. Of course I knew that he was an actual guy, I just never put much thought into him actually being out there, or that he would hate the US, or that he might be freakin' wanted.

teethman · 07-17-2004, 03:31 PM

i no idea it was even real. i hope they put him in a chess free prison where he cant harm anybody with his chess playing ways. to think people these days are still playing chess so dangerously just ruins my day. i can not eat lunch now.

World's King · 07-17-2004, 03:35 PM

Okay.

So, call me stupid but why the fuck was he not allowed to play chess in Yugoslavia? This makes no fucking sense and I'm mad I wasted the time to read it.

Fob_Magi · 07-17-2004, 09:50 PM

There was an embargo against Yugoslavia (for thier role in the bosnia war crimes) imposed by the UN in 1992. The United States government (and therefore all of its citizens) agreed to abide by this embargo. The US Dept. of the Treasury sent Fischer a cease and desist order not to engage in commercial activity with Yugoslavia (the order specifically listed the chess tournament as the economic activity). He played anyways. His playing may not cause much harm, but if they allow one person to break the embargo, more will, and then whats to keep microsoft from opening a semiconductor plant there? An embargo if enforced is an effective form of political persuasion that is often used in lieu of war, his activities undermined these efforts and were in direct violation of an executive order (which has the effect of law).

brianna · 07-17-2004, 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by ARTelevision
I'm very much in favor of enforcement in this situation. The guy acts like he is his own sovereign nation - which he is not.

I prefer a situation in which citizens are held accountable for their actions.

hmm you really want to see the US invest money in making sure a crazy guy whose talent's the government exploited for years goes to jail for playing chess 12 years ago when we told him not to? it just seems like huge waste of federal money to me.

KMA-628 · 07-17-2004, 10:35 PM

well stated Fob.

World's King · 07-18-2004, 11:35 AM

All this over a game of chess.

People are dying in the streets everyday here in America and we have to waste time and energy of fuckin' finding some dipshit chess player. This makes me fuckin' sick.

brandon11983 · 07-18-2004, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by The Original King
All this over a game of chess.

People are dying in the streets everyday here in America and we have to waste time and energy of fuckin' finding some dipshit chess player. This makes me fuckin' sick.

Fob_Magi · 07-18-2004, 11:24 PM

we didn't waste much time or money finding him, we flagged his passport, he went through a airport checkpoint and the japanese captured him and we are flying him back.. we've known where he is almost all of the last 12 years, but we havent bothered to waste the time or energy to find him, we just waited for him to fuck up...

but i suppose violent crimes should be the only punishable crimes.. lets start ignoring monopolies, insider trading, death threats, writing hot checks, deadbeat dads not paying child support, forgery, hacking etc... hey nobody is dying so lets just ignore it...

he is an american citizen, he was ordered not to play the chess match, he had no business playing it. No citizen should be allowed to undermine the diplomatic efforts of his country, the money his chess match generated quite possibly went to finance the genocide and mass rape which occured in the bosnia war.

brianna · 07-19-2004, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by Fob_Magi
we didn't waste much time or money finding him, we flagged his passport, he went through a airport checkpoint and the japanese captured him and we are flying him back.. we've known where he is almost all of the last 12 years, but we havent bothered to waste the time or energy to find him, we just waited for him to fuck up...

but i suppose violent crimes should be the only punishable crimes.. lets start ignoring monopolies, insider trading, death threats, writing hot checks, deadbeat dads not paying child support, forgery, hacking etc... hey nobody is dying so lets just ignore it...

he is an american citizen, he was ordered not to play the chess match, he had no business playing it. No citizen should be allowed to undermine the diplomatic efforts of his country, the money his chess match generated quite possibly went to finance the genocide and mass rape which occured in the bosnia war.

putting this through trial will be very expensive, if he got jail time it would be even more expensive. but i think that's unlikly, it seem that mr fischer is somewhat mentally unstable and i doubt they could convict him considering this fact.

Rekna · 07-19-2004, 08:54 AM

I don't think the government was right in telling him not to play chess in the first place. His playing chess does not change our diplomacy (or lack there of) at all.

World's King · 07-19-2004, 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by Fob_Magi
but i suppose violent crimes should be the only punishable crimes.. lets start ignoring monopolies, insider trading, death threats, writing hot checks, deadbeat dads not paying child support, forgery, hacking etc... hey nobody is dying so lets just ignore it...

He played a game of chess. That's not a crime. Everything you just mentioned is a crime. That's the difference.

nash · 07-19-2004, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by The Original King
He played a game of chess. That's not a crime. Everything you just mentioned is a crime. That's the difference.

I think everyone should reread Fob_Magi's first post.

boatin · 07-19-2004, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by Quadraton
You all laugh now, but hopefully this will send a message to all those rogue chessplayers out there.

I for one am glad that I no longer have to worry about unrully chess players sneaking up behind me in a dark alley. They always have that one guy that comes at you two steps forward, one step left, while another will try to cut you off diagonally. It'll be that last guy who comes at you straight on that you should worry about the most. Checkmate.

THAT is the funniest thing I've read all day. thx Q.

Cynthetiq · 07-19-2004, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by ARTelevision
I'm very much in favor of enforcement in this situation. The guy acts like he is his own sovereign nation - which he is not.

I prefer a situation in which citizens are held accountable for their actions.

I'm in favor of all enforcement of laws, it's not the lawmen who are to interpret the law just enforce it. It's the judiciary branch that should interpret it and possibly change it.

Astrocloud · 12-24-2004, 09:41 AM

Fischer now:

Fischer then:

Ace_O_Spades · 12-24-2004, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Quadraton

You all laugh now, but hopefully this will send a message to all those rogue chessplayers out there.

I for one am glad that I no longer have to worry about unrully chess players sneaking up behind me in a dark alley. They always have that one guy that comes at you two steps forward, one step left, while another will try to cut you off diagonally. It'll be that last guy who comes at you straight on that you should worry about the most. Checkmate.

I nominate this post for post of the month

fuckin classic man, it had me laughing

bigd999 · 12-24-2004, 10:49 AM

hahahahahahah, you guys are great, lol!

Seriously though, I just watched that movie the other day on hbo. How bizzare

Painted · 12-24-2004, 11:02 AM

I can't believe I wasted 15 minutes reading this thread.

Cynthetiq · 12-24-2004, 11:12 AM

and now he's moving to Iceland.... as my icelandic friend said,"We must be running out of idiots because now we are importing them."

eyeronic · 12-24-2004, 11:14 AM

Great thread. Embargo violation is an interesting crime. I feel like it's not fair that my government tells me I can't go to Cuba. They are making the decision for all of us based on politics. They are right to be displeased with Cuba and other countries, but I hate feeling like my country is my mom and I'm 7 years old and there are certain friends I'm not allowed to play with.

With regards to Bobby Fischer, he is really a hard man to love. I respect his achievements and he is one of my favorite chess players of all time, but his outspoken antisemitism is VERY offputting. He leaves me very conflicted and is an amazingly challenging and fascinating individual.

Lockjaw · 12-24-2004, 08:12 PM

What a whack job.

Hmmm anti-semite. Hates America. Made frequent trips to the Philipines....possible terrorist in the making?

flat5 · 12-25-2004, 03:55 AM

With the mind that guy has and the world the way it is, it does not surprise that he's off center. Untill he hurts someone, I wish the US would leave him alone.
I feel he payed his dues to the US gov.

I think the US also wanted him for tax evasion for the game they told him not to play.

K-Wise · 12-25-2004, 04:21 AM

I don't know about "until" he hurts someone. Assuming he would that is. Waiting "until" he hurts someone is stupid. Then whats the point? Sure he's drinking a lot and he has to drive home but lets not do anything "until" he hurts someone. That doesn't do any good. If he's not all there it's best to supervise him so he not only could possibly hurt someone else..but himself as well. Again assuming that he actually would hurt. Been plenty of guys I've known who weren't all there who wouldn't hurt a fly. I of course don't like his anti-semite remarks but words only hurt if you let them.

Asta!!

07-16-2004, 07:54 AM	#2 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	Good, I can finally sleep easy tonight. What's next, we'll find Osama playing in a ping pong tournament in North Korea? __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

07-16-2004, 07:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
Stompy Banned from being Banned Location: Donkey	hahaha, so he's wanted because he played chess in Yugoslavia? Wow, I certainly don't want this hardened criminal around MY neighborhood! __________________ I love lamp.

07-16-2004, 08:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
mystmarimatt Omnipotent Ruler Of The Tiny Universe In My Mind Location: Oreegawn	that's SO bizarre... Oh well, that movie "In Search Of Bobby Fischer" was good. __________________ Words of Wisdom: If you could really get to know someone and know that they weren't lying to you, then you would know the world was real. Because you could agree on things, you could compare notes. That must be why people get married or make Art. So they'll be able to really know something and not go insane.

07-16-2004, 08:24 AM	#5 (permalink)
losthellhound Thats MR. Muffin Face now Location: Everywhere work sends me	I have a friend who thinks he played against Bobby a few years back. When he was missing, a player appeared on some online chess games, and "people who know what they're talking about when it comes to chess" say that the style of play was very much Bobby __________________ "Life is possible only with illusions. And so, the question for the science of mental health must become an absolutely new and revolutionary one, yet one that reflects the essence of the human condition: On what level of illusion does one live?" -- Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death

07-16-2004, 08:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
water_boy1999 Fly em straight! Location: Above and Beyond	I would be interested in checking out Fisherandom. Actually sounds like a cool game. Bizarre, never knew Bobby has such a negative view of the U.S.. __________________ Doh!!!! -Homer Simpson

07-16-2004, 09:25 AM	#7 (permalink)
manalone Once upon a time...	He cracked badly under the strain. He was something of a prima donna to start with, and the ludicrious "my chess dick is bigger than your chess dick" competition between the USSR and the US was a final straw. I don't blame him, I would have lost it too, I reckon. All the crap that went on on both sides. __________________ -- Man Alone ======= Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure. Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.

07-16-2004, 09:34 AM	#8 (permalink)
lurkette My future is coming on Moderator Emeritus Location: east of the sun and west of the moon	Completely off topic, but DAMN waterboy, that's a sexy avatar! And yes, Searching for Bobby Fischer was a great movie! __________________ "If ten million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France

07-16-2004, 10:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
Quadraton Addict Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada	You all laugh now, but hopefully this will send a message to all those rogue chessplayers out there. I for one am glad that I no longer have to worry about unrully chess players sneaking up behind me in a dark alley. They always have that one guy that comes at you two steps forward, one step left, while another will try to cut you off diagonally. It'll be that last guy who comes at you straight on that you should worry about the most. Checkmate. __________________ "A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire

07-16-2004, 12:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	I hope we lock him up in a Federal Pound Me In the Ass Prison. Chess players that violate sanctions and play wherever they want to should not be tolerated.

07-16-2004, 01:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	Well...I had some sarcastic remarks to make, but it seems that y'all have beaten me to it. Over and over and over again. __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

07-16-2004, 01:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
SinisterMotives Junkie	How about a nice game of global thermonuclear war instead?

07-16-2004, 10:17 PM	#14 (permalink)
Esco Insane	Ha!!! Another casualty of the "war on terror"!!! Glad to see Bush's plan is finally working. /me goes back in corner and plays nice __________________ The user formerly known as BlingBling

07-16-2004, 11:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
Fob_Magi Psycho Location: Texas	Fischer was always very eccsentric and rude, his anti-american views didnt start until he got indicted from disobeying a direct order from the US Department of the Treasury that he should not violate the embargo. This is also when he began expressing his anti-semetic views too.. In themans defence though, The guy believes that everybody is out to get him and that everybody is stealing from him (especially jews)... he is a paranoid delusional at the least if not a paranoid schitzophrenic..... here is a website that has all has all his radio interviews and alot of his personal correspondence of his over the last 12 years, from what i understand this site is ran by fischer by proxy thru a friend. If you read some of his letters (especially the ones to the executor of his sisters will) you will notice he is slightly off kilter... and if you take the time to read all of them (like i did), I think you will see he is not a healthy person. http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/ __________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, "If I live I will kill you, if I die you are forgiven". Such is the Rule of Honor.

07-17-2004, 04:17 AM	#16 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	I'm very much in favor of enforcement in this situation. The guy acts like he is his own sovereign nation - which he is not. I prefer a situation in which citizens are held accountable for their actions. __________________ create evolution

07-17-2004, 12:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
crow_daw Idolator Location: Vol Country	This is so crazy. I always sorta thought he was more myth than man. Of course I knew that he was an actual guy, I just never put much thought into him actually being out there, or that he would hate the US, or that he might be freakin' wanted. __________________ "We each have a star, all we have to do is find it. Once you do, everyone who sees it will be blinded." - Earl Simmons

07-17-2004, 10:35 PM	#22 (permalink)
KMA-628 ....is off his meds...you were warned. Location: The Wild Wild West	well stated Fob. __________________ Before you criticize someone, you need to walk a mile in their shoes. That way, if they get angry at you.......you're a mile away.......and they're barefoot.

07-17-2004, 03:31 PM	#18 (permalink)
teethman Tilted	i no idea it was even real. i hope they put him in a chess free prison where he cant harm anybody with his chess playing ways. to think people these days are still playing chess so dangerously just ruins my day. i can not eat lunch now.

07-17-2004, 03:35 PM	#19 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	Okay. So, call me stupid but why the fuck was he not allowed to play chess in Yugoslavia? This makes no fucking sense and I'm mad I wasted the time to read it. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

07-17-2004, 09:50 PM	#20 (permalink)
Fob_Magi Psycho Location: Texas	There was an embargo against Yugoslavia (for thier role in the bosnia war crimes) imposed by the UN in 1992. The United States government (and therefore all of its citizens) agreed to abide by this embargo. The US Dept. of the Treasury sent Fischer a cease and desist order not to engage in commercial activity with Yugoslavia (the order specifically listed the chess tournament as the economic activity). He played anyways. His playing may not cause much harm, but if they allow one person to break the embargo, more will, and then whats to keep microsoft from opening a semiconductor plant there? An embargo if enforced is an effective form of political persuasion that is often used in lieu of war, his activities undermined these efforts and were in direct violation of an executive order (which has the effect of law). __________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, "If I live I will kill you, if I die you are forgiven". Such is the Rule of Honor.

07-18-2004, 11:35 AM	#23 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	All this over a game of chess. People are dying in the streets everyday here in America and we have to waste time and energy of fuckin' finding some dipshit chess player. This makes me fuckin' sick. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

07-18-2004, 11:24 PM	#25 (permalink)
Fob_Magi Psycho Location: Texas	we didn't waste much time or money finding him, we flagged his passport, he went through a airport checkpoint and the japanese captured him and we are flying him back.. we've known where he is almost all of the last 12 years, but we havent bothered to waste the time or energy to find him, we just waited for him to fuck up... but i suppose violent crimes should be the only punishable crimes.. lets start ignoring monopolies, insider trading, death threats, writing hot checks, deadbeat dads not paying child support, forgery, hacking etc... hey nobody is dying so lets just ignore it... he is an american citizen, he was ordered not to play the chess match, he had no business playing it. No citizen should be allowed to undermine the diplomatic efforts of his country, the money his chess match generated quite possibly went to finance the genocide and mass rape which occured in the bosnia war. __________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, "If I live I will kill you, if I die you are forgiven". Such is the Rule of Honor.

07-19-2004, 08:54 AM	#27 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	I don't think the government was right in telling him not to play chess in the first place. His playing chess does not change our diplomacy (or lack there of) at all.

12-24-2004, 09:41 AM	#32 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	Fischer now: Fischer then:

12-24-2004, 10:49 AM	#34 (permalink)
bigd999 Tilted Location: Dallas, TX	hahahahahahah, you guys are great, lol! Seriously though, I just watched that movie the other day on hbo. How bizzare

12-24-2004, 11:02 AM	#35 (permalink)
Painted Pleasure Burn	I can't believe I wasted 15 minutes reading this thread. __________________ I came across a nice rack at the department store

12-24-2004, 11:12 AM	#36 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	and now he's moving to Iceland.... as my icelandic friend said,"We must be running out of idiots because now we are importing them." __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

12-24-2004, 11:14 AM	#37 (permalink)
eyeronic I run E. Location: New York	Great thread. Embargo violation is an interesting crime. I feel like it's not fair that my government tells me I can't go to Cuba. They are making the decision for all of us based on politics. They are right to be displeased with Cuba and other countries, but I hate feeling like my country is my mom and I'm 7 years old and there are certain friends I'm not allowed to play with. With regards to Bobby Fischer, he is really a hard man to love. I respect his achievements and he is one of my favorite chess players of all time, but his outspoken antisemitism is VERY offputting. He leaves me very conflicted and is an amazingly challenging and fascinating individual. __________________ I hold with those that favor fire.

12-24-2004, 08:12 PM	#38 (permalink)
Lockjaw Junkie	What a whack job. Hmmm anti-semite. Hates America. Made frequent trips to the Philipines....possible terrorist in the making?

12-25-2004, 03:55 AM	#39 (permalink)
flat5 Very Insignificant Pawn Location: Amsterdam, NL	With the mind that guy has and the world the way it is, it does not surprise that he's off center. Untill he hurts someone, I wish the US would leave him alone. I feel he payed his dues to the US gov. I think the US also wanted him for tax evasion for the game they told him not to play.

12-25-2004, 04:21 AM	#40 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	I don't know about "until" he hurts someone. Assuming he would that is. Waiting "until" he hurts someone is stupid. Then whats the point? Sure he's drinking a lot and he has to drive home but lets not do anything "until" he hurts someone. That doesn't do any good. If he's not all there it's best to supervise him so he not only could possibly hurt someone else..but himself as well. Again assuming that he actually would hurt. Been plenty of guys I've known who weren't all there who wouldn't hurt a fly. I of course don't like his anti-semite remarks but words only hurt if you let them. Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!